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Title: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 06:36:44 PM
My Saturday started off at a late 6am.
Customer picking up a load of Cedar for closet stock.


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Then a customer brings in 1 very nice Walnut log to be slabbed. Made me cry.  smiley_crying


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Then its time to saw stickers for a customers.


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The afternoon was left for sawing a 502 bf White Oak log into 2x6's. I got 32 boards out of that log 13 foot long.


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The rest of the day was spent cleaning up, sawmill maintenance, fueling up everything and getting ready for Monday.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: clww on August 08, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
Nice job, David! 8)
Raining half the day here and still windy, so I sat around the house most of today.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Bruno of NH on August 08, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
That's a nice Saturday's worth of work .
I like the load of cedar .
Jim/Bruno
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: 47sawdust on August 08, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Must be ready for another pig roast after that!
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 07:06:39 PM
Quote from: 47sawdust on August 08, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Must be ready for another pig roast after that!

You are so right!  :)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 08, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
I can't believe you left all the lumber on the mill when cutting. And why do you cut sticking so long. If you stick lumber over 4' wide it will mold up. :)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 08, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
And why do you cut sticking so long. If you stick lumber over 4' wide it will mold up. :)

First off, if you think I'm gonna saw 4 foot logs....you be  smiley_whacko  :D :D :D :D
Second, if you stick lumber in the South UNDER 4 foot, it will mold.  :D


Peter, read the OP......its for a customer. He makes the call. I just saws them.  ;D
10 foot is easy to saw, load,  transport and unload. Then the customer saws the perfect length he needs.

Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 07:37:09 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 08, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
I can't believe you left all the lumber on the mill when cutting. 

If you're referring to the White Oak boards. I do this all the time.
The mill is unloaded with the fork lift. I never touch a board. 
Old Southern secret.  ;D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Magicman on August 08, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
You had a very good day David.  All that I have to show for my day is lazy.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 08, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
All that I have to show for my day is lazy.

You deserve it.  :)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: drobertson on August 08, 2015, 08:31:09 PM
Man, you had things clicking pretty good today!   I just wish I could get some of my stickers back!   that walnut was a beaut!   Just have to ask, you southern boys like to sleep in?  :D  It's been pretty warm out here too, I heard you guys got some rain, so that's good till the sun comes out.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: drobertson on August 08, 2015, 08:31:09 PM
Just have to ask, you southern boys like to sleep in?  :D

I over slept. My customer woke me up at 5;45.  :)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: red on August 08, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
You'll do Much More with your new Sawmill. .  .   .
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Sixacresand on August 08, 2015, 09:09:39 PM
Cleaning up, mill maintenance with cash in your pocket.  Yes I would say a good day. 
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: WDH on August 08, 2015, 09:19:22 PM
DanG David,

You make me feel lazy. 
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: flatrock58 on August 08, 2015, 09:33:48 PM
Looks like you got done in one day what takes me 2-3 days.  It sounds like a good day!
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: drobertson on August 08, 2015, 09:45:33 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 08, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: drobertson on August 08, 2015, 08:31:09 PM
Just have to ask, you southern boys like to sleep in?  :D

I over slept. My customer woke me up at 5;45.  :)
Had that happen before, and no kidding, worse part or best which ever way you look at it, the customer is near 80, and a work horse,  just simply love him and the whole thing, good job David,, getting a new mill?
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 08, 2015, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: drobertson on August 08, 2015, 09:45:33 PM

good job David,, getting a new mill?

Don't listen to Red.  :D

He's still reading some of WDH's old threads.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 08, 2015, 11:19:55 PM
David,

   How do you bill for your stickers? BF, Hourly rate or by the piece?

   I tend to use my scrappy top logs for stickers. Not great production but either that or firewood.

   Looks like a good day. Need more like that. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Percy on August 08, 2015, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 08, 2015, 06:36:44 PM
My Saturday started off at a late 6am.
Customer picking up a load of Cedar for closet stock.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5689.JPG)

Then a customer brings in 1 very nice Walnut log to be slabbed. Made me cry.  smiley_crying


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5695.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5694.JPG)
Then its time to saw stickers for a customers.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5704.JPG)
The afternoon was left for sawing a 502 bf White Oak log into 2x6's. I got 32 boards out of that log 13 foot long.


 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5697.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5698.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5702.JPG) 

 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/24625/IMG_5703.JPG)
The rest of the day was spent cleaning up, sawmill maintenance, fueling up everything and getting ready for Monday.
You were busier than a one legged kickboxer. But you gotter done. The main thing.
That walnut looks spectacular. We don't get that up here.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: warren46 on August 09, 2015, 07:10:24 AM

If you're referring to the White Oak boards. I do this all the time.
The mill is unloaded with the fork lift. I never touch a board. 
Old Southern secret.  ;D
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I don't think it is a secret.  I saw quite a bit of 16' white oak for trailer decks.  If you think I am going to man handle a 16' white oak 2x10 off the mill you should think again.  That is what the back hoe is for. 

Sounds like a profitable day but my my count you loaded a trailer, sawed two logs and some stickers.  Just sayin'.  Still a good day.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 09, 2015, 07:34:43 AM
We all cut lumber the way we want Dave. I would starve your way. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 09, 2015, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 08, 2015, 11:19:55 PM
David,

   How do you bill for your stickers? BF, Hourly rate or by the piece?

   

I sell 10 foot stickers for 75 cents each. It is very rare that I do sell stickers though.
Most stickers I saw are for customers that bring there on logs.
I saw them by the hour.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: woodweasel on August 10, 2015, 07:30:13 AM
I wood say that was a great day! 8)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on August 10, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
I sometimes sell my stickers made from edgings and 4' long for .25 each.
Good repeat customers get their lumber stickered as it comes off the mill at no charge.
Peter, when I was younger and had more ambition I often stacked 10 wide with no adverse effect on the lumber.
this was with Hemlock and a little WP and i have good air circulation at my site.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on August 10, 2015, 08:05:51 AM
I sometimes sell my stickers made from edgings and 4' long for .25 each.
Good repeat customers get their lumber stickered as it comes off the mill at no charge.
Peter, when I was younger and had more ambition I often stacked 10 wide with no adverse effect on the lumber.
this was with Hemlock and a little WP and i have good air circulation at my site.




At 60½ My ambition slows some too.  :D :D The 4' thing is the industry standard, and I have no luck with going wider than 4'.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 10, 2015, 03:19:51 PM
    I agree 4' is the size to cut stickers (although I find I use a lot of 2' and such too) but like David said, you don't cut them out of 4' logs. I am sure most of us cut them out of 8' or 12' logs or such then cut them to shorter lengths with a chainsaw, chopsaw or circular saw.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
I have done it both ways and I'm faster cutting them at 4' first. For me cutting them at 8' tie them up and cut 4' takes forever, they jump around with a chain saw. And cutting them one at a time, I would not live long enough.  :D :D :D



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When I cut grade stakes I cut 4'4" then sharppen bundle and trim.


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Just got an order for 1500 5' stakes today.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 10, 2015, 06:28:55 PM
I'd starve if I cut them like that.  ;D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 06:28:55 PM
I'd starve if I cut them like that.  ;D


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D smiley_thumbsup Got me. :D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 10, 2015, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 06:28:55 PM
I'd starve if I cut them like that.  ;D


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D smiley_thumbsup Got me. :D :D :D :D ;)


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I've lost 85 pounds following the Peter Drouin 4 foot sticker plan. I feel GREAT!!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Delawhere Jack on August 10, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 08, 2015, 06:36:44 PM

The afternoon was left for sawing a 502 bf White Oak log into 2x6's. I got 32 boards out of that log 13 foot long.


Seems to me you're 86 bf short. But maybe some old goat ate it..... :D You shouldn't let those things near the mill.

Walnut like that always makes me happy, even when I'm only getting paid to mill it. :)
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
Will someone get the goat some grits before it's too late.
No, wait, skip that lets help him the other way.
fudd-smiley  ;D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 10, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on August 10, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 08, 2015, 06:36:44 PM

The afternoon was left for sawing a 502 bf White Oak log into 2x6's. I got 32 boards out of that log 13 foot long.


Seems to me you're 86 bf short. But maybe some old goat ate it..... :D You shouldn't let those things near the mill.

I got 38 bf of 1x lumber he did not want and the rest was waste because of sweep.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Delawhere Jack on August 10, 2015, 06:52:13 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: Delawhere Jack on August 10, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 08, 2015, 06:36:44 PM

The afternoon was left for sawing a 502 bf White Oak log into 2x6's. I got 32 boards out of that log 13 foot long.


Seems to me you're 86 bf short. But maybe some old goat ate it..... :D You shouldn't let those things near the mill.

I got 38 bf of 1x lumber he did not want and the rest was waste because of sweep.

BONUS WOOD!!! Too bad it wasn't from that walnut.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: WDH on August 10, 2015, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 06:32:26 PM
I've lost 85 pounds following the Peter Drouin 4 foot sticker plan. I feel GREAT!!!  :D :D :D

:D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Magicman on August 10, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
Someone on here is  smiley_dizzy
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 10, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 10, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
Someone on here is  smiley_dizzy

But I feel GREAT!  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Magicman on August 10, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
Even Doctors get second opinions.   :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: Magicman on August 10, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
Someone on here is  smiley_dizzy

But I feel GREAT!  :D :D :D :D :D


Now you know how to cut stickers. ;D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 10, 2015, 09:46:18 PM
Peter,

   You're a better man than me if you can saw that short faster than long wood. I agree the stickers want to jump around a lot when chainssawing them. If I were doing a lot I would ratchet strap them first then cut them to length. I have trouble lifting, turning and clamping that short logs and cutting them square. Looks like you have some slanting on the boards in your picture which turn out angled/out of square when I do that. Not as critical on stickers as would be with boards but is still a nuisance

    I do cut some short stock into stickers but it is generally small logs out of the tops of the trees I am salvaging. If my neighbor could still sell wedge blocks to the coal mines I'd be cross-cutting everything from about 6" (minimum he could use) to around 10", and certainly all knotty tops, into 12" blocks and selling to him. Unfortunately recent political climate has cut out that industry around here and wedge blocks no longer sell.
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 10, 2015, 09:46:18 PM
Peter,

   You're a better man than me if you can saw that short faster than long wood. I agree the stickers want to jump around a lot when chainssawing them. If I were doing a lot I would ratchet strap them first then cut them to length. I have trouble lifting, turning and clamping that short logs and cutting them square. Looks like you have some slanting on the boards in your picture which turn out angled/out of square when I do that. Not as critical on stickers as would be with boards but is still a nuisance

    I do cut some short stock into stickers but it is generally small logs out of the tops of the trees I am salvaging. If my neighbor could still sell wedge blocks to the coal mines I'd be cross-cutting everything from about 6" (minimum he could use) to around 10", and certainly all knotty tops, into 12" blocks and selling to him. Unfortunately recent political climate has cut out that industry around here and wedge blocks no longer sell.


The pic I put up is some stickers I cut for me to use on my lumber. [Stuff on the mill] I do make square ones. :D :D
I will get some pics of the 5' ones I have to make for a customer [hard wood]
When I cut them short, I can make 3 or 4 cuts and take them off by the hand full and bounce them off the floor to get rid of the sawdust on them. Can't do that with 8' ones
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on August 10, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 10:15:30 PM



..........and bounce them off the floor to get rid of the sawdust on them.

Rubber tree (Hevea brasiliensis)?  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 10, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on August 10, 2015, 10:15:30 PM



..........and bounce them off the floor to get rid of the sawdust on them.

Rubber tree (Hevea brasiliensis)?  :D :D :D :D :D :D



I'm going to have to look for one. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Not a bad Saturday
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on August 11, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
For stickers I stack my usable edgings on 3 sawhorses spaced so that I can narrow my forks to about 3' and get under one portion of the  the pile.
Place the forks under the first section with a very small amount of up pressure and saw. Sure a couple jump off the stack, but most are right there on the forks for transportation to my sticker stacks.
The remaining 4' sections are supported by the second and third horse.
I only use my 8' and 10' edgings for this method.
My helper flips the edgings on the mill to get rid of the sawdust before  he stacks them on the horses.
I'll try to remember to post pics next time i make stickers.