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Title: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on November 25, 2015, 08:35:50 PM
Never really thought about something like that happening  to me.   I got up a couple weeks ago and my legs were numb.  When it never cleared up I decided to go to the dr.  After several test and 3 Dr's later that was the diagnosis.   Out of 7 spinal vertebrae 5 are obstructed. 2 Dr's same diagnosis. Both said with no surgery I'll be in wheel chair in around 2 years.   So Tuesday I'll have 1 of 2 surgeries. The 2nd will be Thursday.   Hospital for at least 7 days.  No driving or work for at least 3 months.  50 percent chance I won't be able to ever work again.   I've been semi retired for last 2 years but was getting bored and thinking about returning to work full time.  O well just have to wait and see what the Lord has in store for me. 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: thecfarm on November 25, 2015, 08:57:23 PM
I hope things will go good for ya!!! And than some.  ;D
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: r.man on November 25, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
Think positive thoughts Firecord, I know someone who had the same thing happen and he was good for many years after.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: beenthere on November 25, 2015, 09:48:41 PM
That is a real bummer of a diagnosis and prognosis. Let's hope there is some good light at the end of the tunnel.  In our prayers for sure.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: sawguy21 on November 25, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
Good luck with your surgery, I really hope it works. My wife has it, a very painful, crippling disease.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Crow99 on November 25, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Good luck with your surgeries. They can do some amazing things today that they couldn't do even 10 or 15 years ago.  I'm in a situation similar to yours, due to arthritis.  My L2, L3, and L4 vertebrae were really constricting my spinal cord and fir the last couple of years it was really getting bad. Weakness progressing in my legs and the pain of doing even simple things wouldn't stop. Anyway I had an mri and the doc showed me where 1 vertebra had almost blocked the spinal column all together and 2 more were getting really tight too.  So I had a triple laminectomy 3 weeks ago and the results so far are encouraging, almost amazing. Pain is all but gone and I can actually feel my legs getting stronger. And people say they can tell a difference in the way I walk too. They stitch or glue  (?!! ) the muscles back so I have to wait several weeks before putting stress on things and then do some physical therapy, but I am very encouraged by the results so far. Hopefully I'll get back to 80 percent or so.... I'm  68 so maybe 100 percent is in the past..:)  or maybe not.
Anyway I just wanted to offer you some encouragement.  And wish you well. Be sure you follow all the doc's instructions and don't try to do too much too soon. Give yourself some time to heal and hopefully things will work well for you. 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: yukon cornelius on November 25, 2015, 11:59:51 PM
I sure hate to hear that! I pray your surgeries successful!
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: coxy on November 26, 2015, 04:50:39 AM
 that stinks hope you have a fast recovery DO WHAT THE DOC SAYS TO DO    I had back surgery 14 years ago after a few snowmobile snowcross crashes  onL3-4 and wish I did what the doc said to do but I didn't  cant cry over spilled milk now  good luck
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: timberlinetree on November 26, 2015, 05:27:36 AM
Glad you went to the doc,s. We will be praying for comfert and healing for you.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Sixacresand on November 26, 2015, 08:52:25 AM
Praying your surgery is a success, Firecord.  You need to take care of yourself after you recover. 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: drobertson on November 26, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
I had/have the same, mine was/is located in the L-4,L-5, they did the work adding rods on each side, as well as re-building the disk below.  Follow the directions to the letter, and when they say walk, walk as much as you can. I've been going through some kind of set back of late, not sure what's going on, but the leg pain is back in both legs and buttocks.  Waiting for the new year due to the deductible, I feel your pain as many here do, hang in there.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Jeff on November 26, 2015, 09:50:43 AM
Good luck. They can do amazing things these days.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: coxy on November 26, 2015, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Crow99 on November 25, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Good luck with your surgeries. They can do some amazing things today that they couldn't do even 10 or 15 years ago.  I'm in a situation similar to yours, due to arthritis.  My L2, L3, and L4 vertebrae were really constricting my spinal cord and fir the last couple of years it was really getting bad. Weakness progressing in my legs and the pain of doing even simple things wouldn't stop. Anyway I had an mri and the doc showed me where 1 vertebra had almost blocked the spinal column all together and 2 more were getting really tight too.  So I had a triple laminectomy 3 weeks ago and the results so far are encouraging, almost amazing. Pain is all but gone and I can actually feel my legs getting stronger. And people say they can tell a difference in the way I walk too. They stitch or glue  (?!! ) the muscles back so I have to wait several weeks before putting stress on things and then do some physical therapy, but I am very encouraged by the results so far. Hopefully I'll get back to 80 percent or so.... I'm  68 so maybe 100 percent is in the past..:)  or maybe not.
Anyway I just wanted to offer you some encouragement.  And wish you well. Be sure you follow all the doc's instructions and don't try to do too much too soon. Give yourself some time to heal and hopefully things will work well for you.
this is going to sound stupid but my doc told me the spinal cord stops at lumbard part of you back he also told me no mater how bad he did on the surgery I would never have to worry about being in a chair maybe in more pain then I want to be in but never a chair he told me this at least 10 times   did he lie to me :-\  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Crow99 on November 26, 2015, 07:07:49 PM
I don't know.  When I saw my mri pics, I saw spinal cord that looked like it went all the way down. And the sciatic nerve comes out between two of the lumbar vertebrae (can't remember which ones).  If you lose or damage that, if I'm correct, your legs don't work. I'm not a doc and I didn't sleep in a Holiday inn express either. So take this for what it might or might not be,worth... 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: LeeB on November 27, 2015, 08:18:43 AM
Wow, what a thing to find out. At least it is operable. Hoping for the best outcome for you.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: SawyerBrown on November 27, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
Wow, you're a pretty young guy to have all that going on. Good luck with the surgeries, sounds like that's the only real option.  It IS truly amazing what they can do these days. Thank God for the men and women who dedicate their lives to this kind of stuff -- they're a whole lot smarter than I am!
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: red on November 27, 2015, 08:39:47 AM
Stay Strong a good positive attitude can make a huge difference. 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: doctorb on November 27, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
The spinal cord itself ends around the L1 vertebrae.  Below it, a mass of spinal nerves head further down the spine.  These nerves are called the caudal equine (horses tail). 

Spinal CORD compression occurs higher in the spine, most often from fracture, from disc protrusion, or tumor.  Some people are born with it.

Spinal STENOSIS is a narrowing of the space available to the spinal cord or nerves, most common in the lumbar area.  The nerves act like strands of spaghetti, slowly being squeezed closer and closer together until they can't be further squeezed.  Leg symptoms are common at this point.  The stenosis occurs from a combination of hypertrophy of the posterior facet joints in the spine due to arthritis and disc protrusion.  It can be difficult to accurately determine which levels of the spine are causing your symptoms as often many levels are severely degenerated and diseased.

Best of luck to you.  Keep me posted and I'll be happy to answer any questions as you proceed.  If you prefer to discuss this more privately, you can always send me a PM.

It sounds like you're scheduled for a "front and back" procedure.  The posterior procedure is used to perform much of the decompression of the nerves.  By taking away the compressing bone, the spine can get slightly unstable.  The front procedure is to fuse the spine preventing motion from further irritating the nerves and preventing instability due to the posterior procedure.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: drobertson on November 27, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Good stuff doctorb,  I sure appreciate your insight while I had my episode.  It still amazes me why some docs can read an MRI, while my doc said at times they are hard to interpret.  I had to have Mylagram test to verify the blockage between the facets.  This procedure although a quick one, brought a few moments of attention getting pain.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on November 27, 2015, 07:58:54 PM
Thanks for all the prayers and thoughts.   Drrob I am having both. I have spoken to a couple of people who have had both and had good results. However one of them can barely turn his head.  I'm just going to put my trust in God and move forward.  After all what other options do we really have!
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: SawyerBrown on November 28, 2015, 10:49:47 AM
What a great attitude, firecord.  Certainly that will help get you through this.

Reminds me of my favorite line from the new movie "Bridge of Spies".  As the Russian spy Rudolf Abel is about to have his sentence handed down as to life in prison or the death penalty, he's sitting calmly.  His attorney James Donovan (Tom Hanks) asks him, "Aren't you worried?".  Abel replies, "Would it help?" 

Worrying won't help.  Put it in God's hands (and the doctors He has given the skills), and know that things will turn out.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: red on December 01, 2015, 01:56:58 PM
Thinking of you Firecord
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 01, 2015, 09:22:20 PM
Had first surgery today. They gave me some kind of nerve blocker that is supposed to last 20 or so hours.   Great stuff. No pain what so ever YET!  Dr said that he fussed c3 to c7 and all went well.    Thanks again for the prayers and support.     RICKY
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: coxy on December 01, 2015, 09:37:34 PM
glad  every thing has gone well for you  8)
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: red on December 03, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
I think you have your second surgery today hope all is well
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 03, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
I did red thanks.   Still no pain been awake since about 1.  The only thing that is bothering me is the staples in my forehead.   It's where they screwed my head down to Alin my spine and keep me from moving.  The whole process wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.   Ov course it's like that when you give it to God and believe He's in control.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: red on December 03, 2015, 09:39:51 PM
Excellent . . Rest up and Heal up . . Your new full time Job
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: beenthere on December 03, 2015, 09:50:54 PM
smiley_thumbsup

Good to hear.. keep the beat.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: SawyerBrown on December 04, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
Excellent news!  Sure there will be "discomfort" of varying degrees as you heal, so praying for some relief from all that.

I'm still trying to get over the staples in your forehead though ... :o
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 07, 2015, 01:16:25 PM
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Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 07, 2015, 01:22:11 PM
Update
Two days later went back in hospital.   Pneumonia.  Just a touch, should be able to leave tomorrow,  If all tonight's test end well. Pain still managed with meds.   Not as bad as it looks lol
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: beenthere on December 07, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Just doesn't look good, but sure hope and pray you get relief and healing as a result.

I'm guessing sewing class didn't go well for this Dr.   ;D
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Magicman on December 07, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
Oh my, that made we twitch for sure.  :o Hopefully everything will work out for the best.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: doctorb on December 07, 2015, 03:57:46 PM
The length of that incision tells me you had a LOT of C-spine work done.  Continued Good Luck!
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 07, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
5 out of 7 lol.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: drobertson on December 08, 2015, 08:15:01 AM
Take care, sorry to hear about your pneumonia, that has to be rough when coughing,,
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: firecord on December 08, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
Home again.  Yea !  I feel pretty good considering what I've been through.   If I ever have surgery again it would probably have to be life or death.  Lol.  Thanks again for your thoughts and prayers.   
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: samandothers on December 09, 2015, 06:41:11 PM
Glad all went well and you are healing!   It is amazing what can be done and how quickly.  My fusions of C4, 5 and 6 was in one morning then out the next at noon!  No issue with pain or anything from surgery. 

Follow the doctors orders! 
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: Ron Scott on December 13, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
That's quite an incision of stitches and staples and we hope all heals well.
Title: Re: spinal stenosis
Post by: red on December 30, 2015, 07:52:47 AM
I just came from my morning walk and my back is sore . Hope your doing well Ricky