Hello, I'm looking to buy a 200 series Timberjack, most likely leaning towards a 230. Any advice on what series is better (D,E,Super E). How are the winches as far as reliability is concerned. Lastly, are they easier to work on, compared to other machines of the same vintage.
Thanks,
John
Many Timberjack 230A forwarders are used here. They seem to be a very good machine with few breakdowns. There are a number of Timberjacks pictured in the Timber Harvest Methods and Equipment Thread.
Did Timberjack ever make a smaller skidder than the 230 series?
The Timberjack skidders, first produced in 1961, came with a small gas or deisel engine. It was a smaller machine, but I don't know if it was a 100 model or not.
The Timberjack and Tree Farmer were both about the same size originally. They started off with a snmll unit to replace the horse and then they started getting bigger and bigger.
is a 230 a better machine than a C5D?? i dont wanna start a fight, so if this a heated topic, just leave it alone:) ill delete it if we start fightin:D
I had a TJ 230 cable machine on loan from some friends for two winters and loved it 8) It was one of the green ones a 1997 I think with a four cylinder Cummins engine. They've since sold it and in way I wish I'd have bit the bullet and bought it as it only had 1,300 hours on it and was in super shape all around but then I'd have had to put it to work to pay for it and it wouldn't have been a toy anymore.
timberjack made a 208 that is smaller than the 230.
I run a 230d and have owned it 15 yrs it's a 1974 and for what it's worth on a trade I won't part with it. Its been very reliable and easy to work on. Mine has a 353 detroit that I replaced 2yrs ago. Just put new rubber in the back and new ring chains on the front. It's working everyday right now is very easy on fuel no matter how hard it works. I would buy another in a heartbeat.
As long as the winch don't leak oil and the brake band is good and holds tight and the cluches release the cable to spool out and engauge the cable the pull in the winches are very dependable.
The smallest Timberjack was the 208 then there is the 225 all these machines i've seen are pretty much the same.
So what are you guys that are using these smaller skidders, and also sawing, spending a year to run a mechanical skidder? What kind of average production ( I know, whats "average") could a guy get if he was falling timber and skidding by himself? What are the maintenance and upkeep costs?
Hello???? ???
I can shut off my old skidder and walk away for 2 weeks and the SPCA won't be looking for my when I come back.
Hey Bill, whats the SPCA??From the tone of yer post,( can a post have a tone?) you must think I'm tryin to compare and show how horses are "better" than skidders. You would be wrong. I am curious what the actual costs are and what kind of production a guy can get with a skidder working on his own as I do with my horses, mostly for the sake of understanding the figures some guys I bid against for timber are using.I already believe that horses are better ;)thats why I use em.You obviously dont think so, but it was never the intent of my questions to start a mines bettern yers post
Production is dependent on type of work. Horses work great in thinning tight stands. Open up to straight runs 10-12 feet wide and small skidder stands out. 20 foot trails and flat to 20 degrees and a small shovel is my preference. And timber size and distance to the landing is the critical factor on all of it.
Father had a tree farmer from the 60's. He bought it used from a cousin and had sold his horse. We used it to cut pulp, cedar rails and stovewood and a few nice big hardwood logs. Also, cut our own spruce for building potato sheds on the farm. I remember working in our nicest cedar stand on the farm, being carefull and just thinning it out. After three years you didn't even know we were in there. If ya didn't know where to look for the trail you would never know there was a skidder in there that is for sure. He sold the tree farmer 4 years ago and the young feller used it the clear a building lot for his house and I think his father uses it now. It could sit out behind the barn for several months, and father only had to put the battery back into it and it would start right off, like new. It did have some trouble toward the end with its winch, but I beleive it wasn't too big of a deal to fix up. I liked that old skidder, but our ground was not hilly or gullied, was a flat as the kitchen floor, which is a dream to work on too. I see some of the steep terrain folks work on now, mostly those lots no one would cut before, and I shake my head. ::)
cheers
Sorry Guys my comment was meant to mean the level of commitment to a old skidder is less than what would be needed to take care of animals. I am part time in this business and would not be able to care for them .
thanks
Bill
I am trying to sell a 1962 Timberjack 205 previously owned by a deceased family member. He bought it around 1965 and ran it full time until about 1974. Since then he just played around with it. It has a Ford motor that runs and a rebuilt winch that hasn't hauled a tree in 15 years or more. He called Timberjack about 10 years ago in Woodstock, Ontario to inquire about a new manual and they gave it to him free of charge. They said this machine was 1 year older than one they had displayed on their front lawn and were interested in buying it. He said he wouldn't part with it until he died.
Well, here we are. Does anyone know what something like this would be worth or who might be interested in it. ???
Welcome sealdiver....try them folks in woodstock again....they might pay the most for it. ;D
IMHO, A Timberjack 230 is 10 times the machine a Tree Farmer C5 purports to be.
Timberjacks are work horses. Problems I've seen with them usually have to do with the mast & loader. Forget what year(s) it happened, but weak pins in the boom would break. The operator was unaware of the break until the entire boom broke off.
I've seen Timberjacks horrifically abused.......and they manage to keep rolling.
C5's are just plain money pits. They finally fixed the horrendous problems with the planetaries, but nearly everything else will fall apart. I wouldn't suggest ANYONE purchasing one unless it was very very cheap or free.
A young guy I work with had the misfortune of buying a C5 in May. Paid $10,000 for the machine & $15,000 for repairs. The machine is now parked as he can't afford to run it.
Don't get me wrong. One machine (albeit a very worn out one) doesn't base my opinion. Worn out iron is worn out iron......regardless of the make.
I,m still workin my 1974-230. The detroits are loud but for a days work with a 1/2 to 3/4 mile skid on a downslope it only burns 5 gallon of fuel. That means a lot with the way fuel prices are and the down market for red oak. I've been wanting a 380 grapple skidder but i'm sooo glad I didn't do it. I hung on to my 230. As dependable as it is it just might out last me :-\ The 230 is a small machine that can realy get around in the woods. Nobody builds a small machine anymore :'( All the skidders built today are big monsters.
I agree with leweee that company will probably pay the most for your skidder just to sit out front.
If they are only building 'monster' skidders these days it's unfortunate. A lot of woodlot owners don't want them on their lots. On the other hand I have seen those big John Deere skidders do a good job taking aspen, scattered fir and thinning hardwood from hardwood stands. All in the job layout, operator and the lay of the land. The perception with a monster skidder heading to a woodlot is that it will be clearcut. Unfortunately, in my kneck of the woods it's mostly true. :(
Sealdiver, I wanna see your pin on the 'member's map'. Link up top. ;D
HORSELOGGER
timberjack made a 205 207 208 217 225 and then a 230. i think seen sumthin about a 200 or sumthin but im not really sure. these are the only machnies that ive see or read about that i no of that are smaller than the 230. ive seen the 208 talked to a guy with a 207 ran a 225 and read about the 05,15 and the 17. the one 208 had a deutz and the other 2 a detroit. the 207 had a perkins and our 225 has a detroit. oh ye i also know two guys that had and the other guy still has 230. the one guy really liek his he just sold cause he didnt nbeed it and the other really likes his. they seem like theyd be a good machin but myself ill take a 240 anyday jsut because you get a little bigger motor and a heavier drive train ( which most likely for me is needed at times ;D )
I have a correction about the skidder I mentioned earlier. It is a 1962 Model 200, the first model they made and it is in very good condition for the year with very little use. It hasn't been worked in over 30 years (third set of tires)but it has been run a couple of times a year since then to do little jobs like haul an old car into the woods or something like that. It would be a good machine for someone that would be using it on a private wood lot. I know it isn't worth much but for someone that is interested in antique equipment it might be. I know people restore old dozers, tractors, etc. but I haven't heard of anyone restoring a skidder. I can't seem to get in touch with Timberjack anymore because everything redirects me to John Deere. Go figure.
If anyone knows someone that would be interested, please let me know.
Thanks,
Seal Diver
Hi Just wondering if you ever sold the the Timberjack 205. If not give me a call. 902 687 3338
I just got a '73 230D and I really like it so far. It's been pulling wood for 4 days, all heavy oak and maple. About a 1/3mile skid on really rough terrain. Using about 5 gallons a day (7 hours run time).
The good- Easy to maintain. Grease fitiings are easy to reach, and you can see everything. Easy to get on and off for the driver. Stable as all get out. Eaton axles are tough- huge planetary gears. Detroit is bulletproof, parts are easy to get.
The bad- it's orange. ;D
Find someone to work with you. 1 feller/limbing, 1 skidding. Works good and will more than double production of one man. Safer, too.
:-\ the orange thing......that hurt.
i agree with swamp donkey, they dont make skidders like they used to. the smallest cable machine is a 540GIII which is over $100,000. the ones made by the companys are BIG and made to drag "an acres worth of trees in one drag". they dont make the little cable skidders for tight selective thinning anymore. as far as TJs go i like a 230D and 240
Horselogger,
Unless you really want to give up the horses - get a forwarder. Nice combo in the woods - keeps your team's skid short , gives you something to pull down hangers with, help with directional falling, keep the logs a little cleaner and just might get that freighted out tri-axle out of the mud.
If you are serious about using a team you gotta make a sledge or a wheeled gig to get your logs off the ground. A forwarder can almost eliminate the neccessity for anything but chain skidding. Hope you have a swivel clevis or when those logs roll when being moved on a slope you are gonna have the whippletrees and tugs all wound up on your team's hocks.
Please let me know what you decide to do - you have an opportunity for an experience in the woods that few of us have ever known. Take care of those hosses - enjoy them, use them decent - they are flesh and bone - not of steel.
Good luck - keep your tugs tight.
Quote from: oldman1922 on November 14, 2010, 07:31:24 PM
Hi Just wondering if you ever sold the the Timberjack 205. If not give me a call. 902 687 3338
Welcome to the forum.
Note that you dug up an old 5-year old thread, and Horselogger and others contributing to the thread may not be involved as they were at that time. Those were some good-old days however. ;)
Send sealdiver a PM to make a quick connection. Then you don't have to post your tele. no. for the world to see.
I believe that Sealdiver sold that Timberjack 200 to Scott, another member in this forum. I bought it from Scott 4 years ago. It is currently in my garage in the process of a complete rebuild. That was the history given when I bought the machine.
Is that the young fella in Saint John (Scott)?
Seal diver We also own a 1962 Timberjack model 200. It has a 4 cyl. ford industrial engine in it. We just overhauled the engine. We have owned it for 25-30 yrs.
Many years ago the Timberjack Co. in Ontario was looking for the oldest working skidder to put on display. Well we got the twinkle in our eyes thinking we had a valuable antique. My father called up there and they (at the time) said sorry we are looking for a 1961, the first year that they came out. :-[ So we just had an oldie. Its not our main skidder but does work ok as backup on small jobs.
When we bought ours, from an individual who went thru a TJ dealer here in upstate NY, we paid $6,500 for it way back then. Probably not worth as much now tho.
We also tried to get a manual for it but they said there weren't any left that far back. I would be interested in your manual or if there was a way to copy it somehow. Right now we are putting some center pins and bushings in it. Could use a manual for some of the things we are fixing on it.
rputt oh missed your post... do you still have it with a manual??
Welcome to the forum loggit. Nice to have a neighbor on board, was wondering how long it was going to be before you joined. I can vouch for your old TJ, it's a tough old bugger.
Yes, Scott was in Saint John, younger fella in his twenties. Loggit, I also have a complete parts manual and a separate service manual for the machine. Let me know if I can help with anything, glad to see that I am not the only one still keeping these machines running. I still have the machine and I am looking forward to using it in the future.
rputt Yes I'm glad to have found someone who owns one of these old skidders. I was so excited about it thats why I forgot to read all the posts originally and had to respond.
We have a John Deere but do actually work our TJ200 also. Its been a good dependable machine for us over the years. So much so my wife says we can't sell it :).
I've always thought about restoring it like yours, right now we are also overhauling the JD so I need this one to get by. Once we let it set for 2 solid years, stuck a battery and gas in it and she fired and ran first turnover much to our surprise.
Well I will definitely be in touch and appreciate your offer immensely. I'm sure you will get lots of use out of yours.
Hey Mark.... well you I couldn't resist finding out about these 200's Carl
We are looking at a 208 nearby. Does anyone know anything about the weight of this machine for trailering?
What else can you tell us about the 208?