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General Forestry => Tree, Plant and Wood I.D. => Topic started by: Clark on August 29, 2016, 03:22:50 PM

Title: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on August 29, 2016, 03:22:50 PM
Here's one for all the experts:

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Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Jeff on August 29, 2016, 03:51:11 PM
We only need the three letter word expert. :D  WDH
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: cliffreaves on August 29, 2016, 05:50:38 PM
I'm gonna guess box elder.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: thecfarm on August 30, 2016, 06:11:35 AM
Quote from: Jeff on August 29, 2016, 03:51:11 PM
We only need the three letter word wood expert. :D  WDH

He'll figure it out.  ;D
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on August 30, 2016, 08:20:08 AM
From the end grain, sure looks basswoody. 
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Ox on August 30, 2016, 10:41:56 AM
*Nods head and tips hat in direction of WDH then looks back to Clark*

See, that was easy.  Next?  ;D

Kinda reminds me of Crocodile Dundee II when the guy with the cowboy hat was sitting by the water.  The baddie comes out of the bush, guy offers him a beer.  Baddie says you shoulda brought a gun, not beer.  Guy says I don't need a gun, I've got a Donk.  Baddie says a what?  Big Donk spins him around, says a Donk, and knocks him out flat.

We don't need nothin' round here 'sides WDH.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on August 30, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Not box elder.

Not basswood. 

Really, neither are even close.  :D

I do admit, I stretch the definition of "lumber" with this piece. It's only 1.5" wide and 21" long. That is the first hint.

The second hint is that this piece of lumber is at the complete opposite end of the North American hardwoods density spectrum from box elder and basswood. Using some rough measurements (the piece of "lumber" is curved and has wane) I get a density of 51.4 pounds/cubic foot.

Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Tamarack on August 30, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
Moosewood,also called striped maple
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on August 30, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
Well, it is diffuse porous if that is any consolation  :). 
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on August 30, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: WDH on August 30, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
Well, it is diffuse porous if that is any consolation  :). 

This is true. No one has guessed a conifer...that would be way off.

Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: cliffreaves on August 30, 2016, 10:09:46 PM
51.4 dry or green?  Apple maybe?
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on August 31, 2016, 08:13:00 AM
Could be dogwood. 
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on August 31, 2016, 08:28:27 AM
51.4 air dried.

Apple and dogwood? Both of those are much closer in several ways.

Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Ox on August 31, 2016, 09:32:00 AM
You didn't saw up a sumac, did you?  Seems like I remember as a kid knifing those things at a steep diagonal cut and I'd see those darker bits.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 31, 2016, 11:38:56 PM
   Not sure about the Minnesota address where posted but if southern I'd be guessing Sycamore or Sweetgum.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on September 01, 2016, 07:34:56 AM
Maybe it is serviceberry, Amelanchier arborea.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Tamarack on September 01, 2016, 08:25:31 AM
how about hawthorn or eastern hop hornbeam?
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on September 01, 2016, 09:46:34 AM
Third time is the winner for WDH! Serviceberry is the correct answer. I will say Amelanchier but I wouldn't name a specific epithet.

Around here it rarely gets very big. Some sketchy information on the web told me it was quite dense so I kept my eyes peeled for a "big" one.  I happened across several that were ~4" DBH so I took the best looking one. After cutting around the rot I was left with a couple of pieces the size of the above "board". If I could find a chunk that was 10-12" in diameter I would be in business. I understand it grows larger in the south.

Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Gary_C on September 01, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
Quote from: Clark on September 01, 2016, 09:46:34 AM
Third time is the winner for WDH! Serviceberry is the correct answer.

Clark, now you've got to show us a picture of it growing in your pine stands.  :D
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on September 02, 2016, 07:29:44 AM
I have a pretty nice one on my property.  Maybe 10" in diameter.  It is also called shadbush because it flowers when the shad are running up the rivers on the east coast to spawn.  For more interesting info on this small tree, view this video.  The part about the "service" part of serviceberry is particularly interesting. 

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=9

Clark, you are sneaky  ;D. 
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Ron Scott on September 02, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
Well done! Good information.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on September 02, 2016, 08:25:21 PM
Had to dig a little deep for that one  headscratch.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Bill Ragosta on September 06, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
I've got several on my property that are probably 8-10" as well.  I consider taking one for turkey calls because they're said to be so dense. 

Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on February 21, 2022, 09:12:45 PM
Since I had fun making WDH scratch his head on this post before I think it is time for another!

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If you answer Douglas fir because it is in the background you win a consolation prize. TBD. Probably not something you want to win.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on February 21, 2022, 09:45:14 PM
My very first impulsive reaction, without the wood brain engaged, was something birchy but that is much too easy given your penchant for being sneaky.... :).
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: Clark on February 23, 2022, 07:32:32 AM
Birchy you say? Don't move from that tree, keep on barking!

Clark
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: WDH on February 23, 2022, 02:27:54 PM
So maybe I have something in the birch family treed,  kinda like when coon hunting?  Woof, A-roooooo, A-rooooo  ;D.
Title: Re: Hardwood lumber ID
Post by: bluthum on February 23, 2022, 06:00:58 PM
I had some 12" wide short boards of serviceberry once. It didn't have much colored streaks like the example, actually quite plain and uninspiring. Hard indeed but the powder post beetles found it in the lumber shed and chewed it to sawdust in record time.