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Title: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Joey Grimes on October 09, 2016, 05:44:12 PM
We recent cut some mature sweet gum into 8/4 slabs I've always heard mature sweet gum with mostly heartwood was then called red gum? It has very interesting color and grain patterns. 

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Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: fishfighter on October 09, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
How wide was that log? The few gums I sawed for just blocking, the lumber was all white. Logs around 16" on the small end.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Joey Grimes on October 09, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
They were about 18 inch diameter
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: brad918 on October 09, 2016, 08:42:23 PM
That gum has some great figure! Does red/sweet gum mostly grow in the south? Here is a table I made from "red" gum, at least that's what the guy who sold me the slab said. He said it must have sat around awhile before it was milled. I always thought red gum was, well red.

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Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: sandsawmill14 on October 09, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
i saw ALOT of gum :) in the spring time while sap is rising the gum logs will sprout limbs and put 2-3 leaves on while in the log pile if its rains alot :)   maybe one of the foresters will enlighten us about this :)

It comes from epicormic buds under the bark.  These are stimulated by sunlight.  Normally these are dormant, but you'll see them on trees if there has been a heavy removal of timber.  You will get leaves and branching all over the bole.  They drop off when the overstory closes in. 

I have sawn logs that have had this, and it is a loss of grade.  The log looks good, but you'll hit a couple of inches of wood that have a bunch of pin knots.  You'll can have a FAS front, and the back can drop below 2 Com.  Next board will clean up.

Logs will branch out in the spring, as there is enough moisture in the cambial layer to support it.  I have seen it in tulip poplar and walnut, as well. 
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: fishfighter on October 10, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
I'm sure MM will be posting about his favor log to saw. :D

Yep, they sure do saw easy. Heck, clearing land with a backhoe, a gum that is around 12" at the base will snap off if one doesn't dig enough root ball up.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: WDH on October 10, 2016, 08:15:42 AM
Joey,

I don't saw it because of warp and twist from the spiral grain.  Hopefully, your slabs will dry straight.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Joey Grimes on October 10, 2016, 07:21:46 PM
I have had similar experience with twist and warp but it had a lot of sapwood .This log layed flat and showed no stress when cut so I'm hoping for the best time will tell.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Wudman on October 10, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Liquidambar styraciflua (sweetgum) is generally a southeastern US species.  It is a prolific seeder and will outrun Virginia pine across a fallow field.  Leave a field fallow for a couple of years and you will be fighting sweetgums until you break out the herbicide.  One good thing about sweetgum......it is highly susceptible to glyphosate.

I have heard the sapwood of sweetgum referred to as sap gum and the heartwood referred to as red gum.  I had a customer that peeled (plywood) it for curved drawer fronts.  It grows rapidly, is often gun barrel straight, but has a spiral grain that likes to twist when drying.  Most of it here ends up in the cross tie and pallet market.

The color of the heartwood ranges from green to purple to blue to brown.  Most of it will go to a brownish color when dry.  I have seen some beautiful spalted sweetgum table tops.

I'm sure any of the guys south of the Mason Dixon will send you all that you want to saw.

Wudman 
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 11, 2016, 12:08:32 AM
I love sweetgum, and have had very little trouble getting it to dry straight, especially if the logs were 16+ inches in diameter before milling. Sometimes there's a little movement, but nothing I don't find in other species, such as red maple.

There is a lot of variation in sweetgum heartwood. Often times the heartwood shape (looking at the end of the log) is more Antarctica-shaped, elephant-shaped, or octopus-shaped. Often there are random specks of heartwood scattered throughout the sapwood, like a pixelized digital photo.

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Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: Okrafarmer on October 11, 2016, 12:09:29 AM
Oh, and at least once i had a sweetgum log that was too big in diameter to fit on an LT40. That shouldn't be a problem for me now, with the Turbosawmill.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: fishfighter on October 11, 2016, 06:52:50 AM
DanG sweet gum is a problem on my place. Last time I had a section select logged, I had them just about clear cut some sections of the woods due to sweet gum over taking areas. Had them leave behind big oaks and of course I never let them take pecan trees.

Those areas are now oak and pecan stands which are around 15 years old.

When they tree sweet gum around here, it's all chip wood.
Title: Re: sweet gum /Red gum
Post by: WDH on October 11, 2016, 07:27:16 AM
Joey,

Yours is some of the prettiest that I have seen.