Had a chance to pick up this 2005 Int 4300 cab and chassis with 95000 miles on it. So it will replace my 25 year old Ford CF7000 that has served me well. The Ford had a flat bed so I added bolt on bunks. This one will have a regular log bed. My Son-in-law and I were able to get a lot of the bed built last weekend. The bed should weigh about 1900 lbs and should bring the truck in at about 11000 lbs.
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Nice looking job, be a handy sized truck. About 1800bdft to a load ? We built a truck about 5yrs ago and you can make a nice truck for 1/2 what they want for one up in NY.
Hydraulic brakes? If I remember right, something with air brakes requires a CDL, right? No matter the GVW?
No cdl required as long as it's under 26,001 pounds. If you pull a 1 ton truck with a 10 ton trailer and hauling commercially you will need a cdl. This combination doesn't have air brakes. I use a one ton and a dual tandem trailer and no cdl but I fall into the farmer and 150 miles from home.
The new truck does have hydraulic brakes. They are disk all the way around. The CF 7000 has air brakes. Both trucks are under 26001.
As I understand the Regs and have been assured by the PUCO, which is the DOT in Ohio. No CDL required if truck is under 26001 and is not pulling a trailer with a GVW of more than 10000. If you fall into that category, breaking system does not matter.
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined. In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?
Quote from: repmma on October 25, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined. In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?
Federal Dot laws state that the cdl becomes necessary at 26001 on the truck or 10001 on the trailer. Not 26001 combined. You can pull a 10k gvw trailer with a 26k gvw truck. You cannot however pull a 10001 gvw trailer without a cdl. Even if you pull it with a Ford Ranger and the trailer is empty. I spent out a little north of $1700 on this mistake last year. I was pulling my 14k trailer with my F250 with a gvw of 8600. I was loaded only with my stump grinder which weighs in at 1200.
You don't need a CDL for a trailer over 10000 pounds everywhere.
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Quote from: Brian_Rhoad on October 25, 2016, 10:58:39 PM
You don't need a CDL for a trailer over 10000 pounds everywhere.
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State laws do vary, a lot in some places, however the federal law goes beyond the state. If the officer is aware of the fed regulations, and he so desires, he can legally ticket you. That document is also circa 1986 so I'm not sure if it is still valid. Most officers are fair and reasonable as long as you are but every area has that one guy whom everyone in business knows. I know the one here pulls me in every chance he gets. He never finds anything to ticket me with but always promises to get me next time. Side benefit is my equipment is in excellent shape due to it!
By the way to the OP that "log truck" is very nice. Looks like it will be a great rig. What engine and tranny does it have?
This is from the Federal CDL Manual.
You must have a CDL to operate:
Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight
rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A combination vehicle with a gross combination
weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds, if the
trailer(s) has a GVWR of 10,001 or more pounds.
A vehicle designed to transport 16 or more
passengers (including the driver).
Any size vehicle which requires hazardous
material placards or is carrying material listed as
a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR part 73.
Federal regulations through the Department of
Homeland Security require a background check
and fingerprinting for the Hazardous Materials
endorsement. Contact your local department of
driver licensing for more information.
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Quote from: repmma on October 25, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
The trailer can be over 10k lbs you just can't exceed 26000lbs combined. In Maine at least, but I thought this was all federally established and therefore the same?
Federal Dot laws state that the cdl becomes necessary at 26001 on the truck or 10001 on the trailer. Not 26001 combined. You can pull a 10k gvw trailer with a 26k gvw truck. You cannot however pull a 10001 gvw trailer without a cdl. Even if you pull it with a Ford Ranger and the trailer is empty. I spent out a little north of $1700 on this mistake last year. I was pulling my 14k trailer with my F250 with a gvw of 8600. I was loaded only with my stump grinder which weighs in at 1200.
that's strange must be a state thing. A lot of the utility companies around here have class b cdl. Say they drive the large digger truck that weighs 46,000 but pull the pole trailer which weighs around 4,000. You only need a class b for that one since the trailer isn't over 10,001. I pulled a 14,000 lb gooseneck with a one ton dodge which was 11,200 and I was still under the 26k. I didn't need a cdl.
Quote from: Jdwoody on October 25, 2016, 11:52:56 PM
By the way to the OP that "log truck" is very nice. Looks like it will be a great rig. What engine and tranny does it have?
Both trucks have the same transmission. Eaton 6 speed. The International has a 225 hp DT 466 and the Ford has a 170 hp 6.6 ford engine.
I really like the 466 and the other variants. I've been looking for a single axle international with a 530 manual pump for awhile. Seem to be fairly rare.
Bill, is that 6x6 tube for the bunks? .250 wall?
Wow you have a good eye. It is 6 by 6 .250. Bunks are 60 inches high. Will be adding gussets. They are cutout just not installed yet .
There are two seperate loggers here, well actually one as one is shutting down his operation, that uses similar trucks. They have them setup to dump. The one does most of his skidding and all of his loading with a bobcat and moves a suprising amount of wood. With the dump he has fast turn around times.
Quote from: starmac on October 26, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
There are two seperate loggers here, well actually one as one is shutting down his operation, that uses similar trucks. They have them setup to dump. The one does most of his skidding and all of his loading with a bobcat and moves a suprising amount of wood. With the dump he has fast turn around times.
Are there any problems dumping with bunks ? Right now I use a standard dump body (smooth sided). I can haul small loads into the mill w/o being in the way, dump them quickly, and be gone. Don't bother or wait for the loader/scaler who is usually busy with a big load. I was thinking of converting it to bunks but wondered how it would dump.
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I have a friend with a flat bed dump with bunks. He loads with small end of log forward. He has damaged the bunks a couple times with logs catching when dumping. He dumps a lot of firewood logs and some saw logs.
Thanks Bill - I wondered about that. BTW that is a super nice truck you are building !!
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Are there any problems dumping with bunks ? Right now I use a standard dump body (smooth sided). I can haul small loads into the mill w/o being in the way, dump them quickly, and be gone. Don't bother or wait for the loader/scaler who is usually busy with a big load. I was thinking of converting it to bunks but wondered how it would dump.
It will work, but it's rough on the bunks. I'll dump a load several times a year, and no matter how you think you loaded it, knots and butt flares catch on the bunks and cross beams.
It must not be too much problems dumping with bunks, as the guys I know haul several loads a day, day in and day out. When one of them was just hauling to his mill yard, his turn around times were less than an hour.
Making some progress on the truck . Did a test fit and making the bumper / hitch today . Should be ready for paint this week .
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Built to last. Good job.
Bill, do your stakes have a cap on top? If not, do they have a way to drain rainwater out so they don't freeze and split?
Most I have seen around here that are made with box tubing have the stakes open on both ends (handy to hang the straps/chains on) and the bunk is butt welded to them.
Yes the bunks have caps on them and hopefully water will stay out . We made some more progress today and got the bumper / hitch on and also the deck covering the drive shaft . Now its time for paint and wiring .
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I've been following this build for awhile, that looks great, I'm jealous.
First post here... Actually just joined the forum. I built a very similar truck a few years back. I have hauled 100's of loads with it. It is great for short logs, up to 16' long. I average a little over 1mbf/load, more if I load it heavy. 1.6mbf was the heaviest load I've ever got to the mill. I go right into the mills just like the bigger trucks. The stacker operators scratched their head the first few loads. There is enough room above the frame and under the logs for them to reach in and grab the load.
Hopefully the pic will show up.
Cheers,
Steve
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Welcome to the Forum Reprod . That is a very nice looking truck. I like the style bunks that are on it. There use to be a lot of smaller trucks around but they are becoming fewer and fewer. Seems like everything is getting bigger.
Thanks Ohio_Bill,
I knew I was on the right forum when I saw your truck build.
The bunks that I have on the truck have worked out about right. I always wish they were taller, but if I load the truck with as much as I can, I am still usually under weight by a 1000 lbs or so.
Got warm enough to get the bed painted and with a little help should be able to get it mounted tomorrow.
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Thought I would give a update on this project . Been using the truck for about a year now . It has worked out very well . I stopped logging for the most part and use the truck to haul logs from other loggers to my mill also make some deliveries of finished products to customers . I travel to another state from time to time so applied for DOT numbers which put me in the new entrant program . Several hoops to jump trough for the DOT . Federal inspection , health card , UCR , Maintenance files , Driver files and a DOT New Entrant Saftey Audit . So got trough the audit and using the truck a good bit .
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Good job, I know it's not easy navigating the laws. I am also DOT registered, and it's a bunch of paper and leg work. Oddly enough, I wasn't required to get a DOT number in Alabama, and wasn't required to get one in Tennessee either, if I didn't cross state lines and stayed under 26,000 lbs. But as soon as I crossed state lines, and was over 10,000 lbs rated sticker weight (who isn't?) I became an Interstate Trucker and was required to have a DOT number and everything that goes along with it.
All this was politely explained to me by a friendly State Trooper, who gave me a lights on escort to the nearest weigh station and started a "multiple violation citation" even though I was unloaded. What fun.
They call that the price of schooling, what an education you get huh.
I built similar bunks and installed them on my log truck, so I could haul 24 foot shorties this fall. I didn't make a full length frame for them, since it wasn't set up to dump. I just split some I mean a foot long and bolted to the frame, then bolted the bunks to it, so I could pull them off real quick and put my regular bunks back on. It takes about an hour. I also put a little more clearance between the frame and bunks, because If I pulled into the mill here and let them unload it, they would total the truck before it was unloaded. The mill does not take the short logs anyway and it turned out there was no danger where we were hauling these to.
I also have 2 inch thick walled pipe in the top of my bunks, so I could have stake extensions up to 14 foot, but still remove the back ones so didn't have to pick the trailer up high enough top clear the whole 14 feet to load and unload.
Quote from: reprod on November 23, 2016, 12:13:04 AM
First post here... Actually just joined the forum. I built a very similar truck a few years back. I have hauled 100's of loads with it. It is great for short logs, up to 16' long. I average a little over 1mbf/load, more if I load it heavy. 1.6mbf was the heaviest load I've ever got to the mill. I go right into the mills just like the bigger trucks. The stacker operators scratched their head the first few loads. There is enough room above the frame and under the logs for them to reach in and grab the load.
Hopefully the pic will show up.
Cheers,
Steve
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Nice little thinning operation there, what part of NW Oregon are you out of?
I like that truck 8) what is the reason you went 6x6 posts are tandem has 4x4 posts and never had any trouble 4x4 would have been a lot lighter ;D in NY if the truck has air brakes even if it weights 3000lbs you must have a CDL
The factory stakes on my bunks are 3x5, 3/8 thick, but they also start tapering to a point about two feet up, the pipe for the extensions are on the outside.
The shop built ones are 3 x 5, 1/2 in thick and a little taller.
These are for full loads, 1 bunk on the truck and 1 on the trailer handles a 63,000 pound payload legally, they may have accidently been overloaded a time or two, but are no worse for wear.
I have a set of light duty bunks for just a truck, no trailer and no provisions for extensions that are just 4x4, 1/4 inch thick.
Quote from: coxy on December 30, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
in NY if the truck has air brakes even if it weights 3000lbs you must have a CDL
Or if the trailer is 10k. NY uses the highest of any 3. Scaled weight, manufacturer rated weight or registered weight. If you tag for 12k on a 7500lb car trailer, you need an A license with combination in NY. They dont care what state you are from or whats legal in that state. When in NY, yer a new yorker.
Their CDL manual still says hauling personal goods not engaged in commerce is exempt, but i still got towed, impounded and a criminal charge for an empty trailer, while sleeping at a rest stop.
Quote from: coxy on December 30, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
I like that truck 8) what is the reason you went 6x6 posts are tandem has 4x4 posts and never had any trouble 4x4 would have been a lot lighter ;D in NY if the truck has air brakes even if it weights 3000lbs you must have a CDL
I had plans of using smaller uprights , but these were available from scrap so a substantial savings . If I remember correctly it still only weighs 1900 . The completed truck comes in under 12000 . BTW the load on the truck is Ash . Its pretty much all dead here in Ohio .