Happened about 1;25.( I got this info around 4:45. ) this afternoon a few miles from my mill.
Driver at an estimated speed of 55 and the Logging Truck estimated speed at 60.
Driver was believed to have been texting.
Crossed the center line and hit the logging truck head on.
Truck driver not injured.
Only 1 person in the car and that was the driver.
In fact, the driver is still in this car....deceased.
***fRONT OF CAR ON LEFT***
PAY ATTENTION WHEN DRIVING.....PLEASE.
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BY AMANDA HARRIS
aharris@heraldonline.com
CHESTER
One person has died in a head-on collision off U.S. 21, said Lance Cpl. Gary Miller with S.C. Highway Patrol.
At about 1:25 p.m. on March 6, 59-year-old Randy Lee Greene of Catawba was driving north on U.S. 21 when a second driver traveling south on U.S. 21 drove left of the center line and hit Greene head on, Miller said.
The incident happened near Great Falls.
The second driver was driving a 2011 four-door sedan, was wearing a seat belt and became trapped in the car, Miller said. The driver was fatally injured and pronounced dead at the scene. There were no passengers in the car, Miller said.
Greene, who was driving a 2002 truck pulling a trailer, was wearing his seat belt and was injured, but was not trapped in the car, Miller said. Greene was transported by Emergency Medical Services to Piedmont Medical Center. No one else was in Greene's truck. Greene's condition was not known.
The Chester County Coroner's Office has not yet identified the driver who died.
Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/latest-news/article136842403.html#storylink=cpy
Wow holy moly. I see people texting all the time and give them a wide berth hoping to not be a party similar to your pic .Rob
For being against the law here in Ohio I bet one in three I pass on the road is holding there cell phone like it is there life line. Nuts for sure !
i couldnt find the news clip for this where was it?
Quote from: pinefeller on March 06, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
i couldnt find the news clip for this where was it?
It has not come out yet. I got this direct from the Highway Patrol just a few hours after it happened.
It happened in Chester, S.C.
Maybe im missing something , but I see nothing in story about texting??
Let me enlighten a few of you that like to analyze every thread that is posted.
In this particular story, you will not see or read in any public news that states how this tragic accident happened.
Some things are just not written in news stories and I think you understand why.
My intent was to ask everyone that reads this to be careful and pay attention while driving.
There are somethings I know about certain things that the general public in my area will not know.
Now you know why you don't see certain things in public print.
Please be carful when you pull out on that road today. move_it
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on March 07, 2017, 07:21:18 AM
Let me enlighten a few of you that like to analyze every thread that is posted.
In this particular story, you will not see or read in any public news that states how this tragic accident happened.
Some things are just not written in news stories and I think you understand why.
My intent was to ask everyone that reads this to be careful and pay attention while driving.
There are somethings I know about certain things that the general public in my area will not know.
Now you know why you don't see certain things in public print.Ok, we all can come to are own conclusions, bu
Please be carful when you pull out on that road today. move_it
Well I just said nothing was mentioned about texting in the news story. We all can make our own concluisions.
sorry, i was just trying to do a little research before i made a comment about evolution. they could have swerved for a little old lady in the road, otherwise we all seem to have the same opinion on texting, driving and the offenders. hopefully they only eliminate themselves. i got run off the road earlier this winter. went through a pole....and a tree....and stopped on some clusters of smaller trees(missed the house though). not my fault but at first glance, youd say i was going too fast. some times theres more to the story. stay vigilant.
Theory of natural selection, only sometimes they take an innocent with them.
Texting or whatever, how are they ever going to recover the body parts from that wreckage?
We had a similar one about six months ago. A loaded gravel truck was stopped to make a left hand turn into a logging job. A car hit him from behind. The examination of the car's "black box" showed that the cruise control was set at 60 MPH and the lady never touched the brake. A witness said that she was looking down at her phone.
Wudman
The accident investigation will make the determination. It's a simple matter to look at the call history of that cellphone number and determine what it was doing at the time of the crash.
Poston's point is still valid and the message is clear; don't TEXT and drive.
Over the weekend, driving up I-5 through CA and OR had 3 semi's drift into my lane, one of them forcing me all the way onto the shoulder. My wife looking up said all three drivers were texting.
This is hitting really close to home right now, I couldn't respond last night but will now. My future (we hoped) son in law which we already considered him as was killed in an accident 3 months ago last Saturday morning. He wasn't on his phone or using it (they found it in his pocket) when he pulled out on a highway in front of a semi 1 and 1/2 miles from his driveway. I won't even answer my phone when driving but if I have to I just pull over or hand it to someone else, David's message is right, I don't care about phones just folks, please pay attention, accidents do happen no matter what the distraction may be. One radio station even had the report of his accident on their website before all family was notified and said that he was texting and ran the stop sign, the driver of the truck called his family twice the day of the accident and reassured them he did stop and wasn't on a phone he said "I just don't know why he didn't see me I was right there and did everything I could to miss him". I can't imagine how he feels to this day. He hit the passenger door of the cab at 60 and came out in front of the drivers door from what I could tell by the pictures. Just pay attention please, we'll never know why that happened but it happens in a hurry.
Thank You Pat for sharing your tragedy. :'(
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It's not our place to pass judgement.
Quote from: pinefeller on March 07, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
thats why i was trying to find the news article before passing judgement. over and out.
Why would you need a news article when I posted what happened? say_what :)
no one seems to care about the laws. I travel the 401 (the busiest hwy in North america) on occasion. I see people texting reading paper work on laptops reading newspapers eat salad putting make up on eating cereal out of a bowl just to name a few things. people forget drivin is a privilege not a right . it really does grind my gears.
I could wright a book on the thing's I've seen afyer 40 years over the road just a bunch of stupid out there and it's not getting any better never will
Quote from: goose63 on March 12, 2017, 06:48:53 PM
I could wright a book on the thing's I've seen afyer 40 years over the road just a bunch of stupid out there and it's getting any better never will
I can second this!! I have close to 40 yrs driving truck and I have seen it all!
The only thing I want to say is that you have a tremendous responsibility when you get behind the wheel of a vehicle. Other people's lives deserve your 100% attention. I will never understand people who drive impaired (drinking, drugs, tiredness, etc...) or who those who distract themselves by talking on cell phones, texting, or are doing anything other than concentrate on driving safely. It is just mind boggling how anyone can rationalize this behavior. I personally know more than a few people who needlessly died by these *%$#& idiots.
I had noticed a lot of people on their phone and other distractions while driving but lately what had been bothering me was the number of cars I meet at night that have their brights on. I would flip mine on and then off only to pass them completely with their brights on all the way. I looked to try to figure it out and you guessed it they were on their phone. Never looked away from it long enough to know they were meeting a car.
It is very dissapointing that people dont do better.
PC
The other day they were giving numbers of accidents of people driving tired compared to drinking and driving. Their advice was to pull off the road and take a 20 min nap. I went to work for thirty years at 4 am and many times I was tired but if I had pulled over every time people would have been saying I was a worthless guy that didn't want to work and that was why I was on welfare after losing my job cause I was late every day. Maby they will make a law. It is a shame that accidents cause pain. There is nothing wrong with hoping and reminding your friends to be careful. On the other hand there are lots of ways to have an accident.
You could not legislate against all the ways and it would be crazy to try and harmful to those who did not cause an accident.
I answer my phone while driving and if it is a long trip, I do a lot of talking to take care of other things in life and also to get directions while driving.
I am not saying that it is not sad when mistakes are made and people hurt them selve and others. Just that you are not guilty of anything if you have not hurt anyone.
Accidents have happened forever and now days it seems to be more about blaming (with some truth) then the fact that accidents happen. There is no such thing as an accident.
I am sure most don't wake up and say I am going to go out and kill myself today and maby take somebody with me. They more judge the risk and are sometimes wrong. You will never, even if it is against the law stop that. Some just judge better then others or are luckier then others.
Cheers
gww
I am sick of vehicles coming at me.....In my lane!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch where you are going people. We have no choice but to be defensive driver's.
It's almost like a game of dodge ball............a deadly game >:( >:(
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
I am not saying that it is not sad when mistakes are made and people hurt them selve and others. Just that you are not guilty of anything if you have not hurt anyone.
Cheers
gww
I am afraid you may mean different that what I read. If so I apologize in advance.
What you said is not so.
It is wrong to break the law , If you get caught or not.
PC
paul
QuoteAlthough an increasing number of states are placing restrictions on cell phone usage, Missouri has no law regarding the use of cell phones while driving. The state does, however, ban texting for 21 years of age or younger.
Yes, some might be breaking a law, I am just avocating that they don't make another stupid law that I might break and make me a criminal which I am not right now. I like it better when they don't make a bunch of people criminals when they have lived a bunch of years and hurt no one and were not criminals for those years untill somebody legislate them into being one.
You 40 something states that have to live with this kinda junk should try and get rid of it, cause I am sure it is not changing anything but how much your state makes in fine money. Go out and look on the roads and see what the public thinks of it by the actions they are really taking.
There are lots of things that common sense says you should not be doing but may not should be made a law.
I think they ought to make a law against the guy who is in the fast lane going slow beside another slow car in the slow lane that is talking to somebody in the passanger seat and not paying attention.
Or one against the guy who is wiping the coffee he spilt on his seat while driving.
Or the one,
Or
Cheers
gww
I believe it was Will Rogers that said''What this country needs is more unemployed politicians''.
Wasn't he from The Great State of Oklahoma?
My apologies for the hijacking of this thread.
PC
Ps. Don't Text While Driving.
Quote from: Wick on March 15, 2017, 01:59:54 PM
I am sick of vehicles coming at me.....In my lane!!!!!!!!!!!
Watch where you are going people. We have no choice but to be defensive driver's.
It's almost like a game of dodge ball............a deadly game >:( >:(
The last time I had to ply dodge ball it was with a drunk from viet nam going the wrong way on I94 by St Cloud Minn that guy was lucky when he tore the stearing axel of the left side of my truckthe whole left side of his car was gone and he was still siting in the seat 2 more inch he would of been under the Frightliner.
At a construction site last fall, in VT, some drivers got some unexpected excise tax tickets when the fellow dressed as a flagger and directing traffic was a State Trooper who was radioing the offenders of the use of electronics while driving law, to his pals. In VT the fines are doubled in construction zones so the state got even more revenue.
Gerald
A few months ago driving up a steep winding canyon road, a car two cars ahead was crossing over the center line. She then kept driving straight, when the road turned right. The car disappeared over the hill. Fortunately for the mom, it hung up on a small live oak. Another driver and I helped her four year old son out of his car seat and up the hill. The mom was frozen in fear, still clutching her phone, and crying as the car bounced up and down on the tree.
We help her out as the fire department rolled up.
A few feet left or right and I doubt she would have survived.
This phone problem could easily be fixed. Most new cell phones
have the ability to have GPS. They could use this to check if the
phone is moving over a set speed and it could shut down until
the speed was reduced. So easy... If your moving the phone wont
work...
Except all the passengers phones won't work, even on the train or bus. If you are allowed to turn it off, any law breaker would anyway.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
I am not saying that it is not sad when mistakes are made and people hurt them selve and others. Just that you are not guilty of anything if you have not hurt anyone.
Accidents have happened forever and now days it seems to be more about blaming (with some truth) then the fact that accidents happen. There is no such thing as an accident.
Sorry, if I am misinterpreting what you mean here, but it sounds like you are saying it's perfectly acceptable to text and drive as long as you don't hurt someone? And if you do, it's just an accident?
If that's the case, I couldn't disagree more. Someone who willfully engages in unsafe behavior (like texting while driving) that might lead to the death of another motorist deserves to be fined if caught and is absolutely culpable if any damage, injury, or death occurs--that is not an accident, but a situation that was completely preventable!
Brian
Most accidents are somebodys fault if you go back and find the root cause. When I was up on my step ladder building my shed and the ladder collapsed, it was my fault for being a little high and not buying a better ladder for the use I was using it on. It was also an accident cause I needed the shed built and the ladder should have worked if I had reinforced it like I did after I fell of I could have spent $200 for a quality one for that one little job.
You have never looked at directions that you have writen on a napkin or a map while you were moving? I don't have a text plan and don't really know how to send one but I have been multi tasking lots of times while driving. I do talk on the phone all the time while on the road. If I ever mess up, yes it will be an accident because I haven't messed up yet and that time will be differrent for some reason.
Every mistake you have ever made probly had some bit of fault or in attention from you as part of the reason it happened. I didn't say it should not be investigated and the reason found so that you can improve. I did make my ladder stronger.
I may not text cause I don't know how but reading writen directions can't be that much differrent. Or eating a hamburger and driving a stick shift if you want to get right down to it. There are all kinds of studies on all the dangerous things we do in cars. Sometimes when an accident happens those things come out, thats how they get all those studies. Thats why they make everybody buy insurance.
You guys can think I am wrong if while driving by the store I call my mom and ask if she wants me to pick something up but my mom doesn't think I am wrong when I save her a ten mile trip to the store.
I might be getting out of line cause I think I already had one post deleted or maby I just forgot to post it. I figure if it is a subject that comes up from one perspective that it doesn't hurt for the other side of the coin to at least be looked at.
These rules all are against us because I am not convinced that the line is not crossed by more people then not, even on this tread (a guess). I don't know one person who hasn't answered their phone while driving or called somebody. Some try not to more then others but I do not know one that hasn't did it. I love most of them and wish no harm to any of them and don't believe they are or should be considered criminals for what I have seen them doing.
I will also say that we used to go out and ride dirt bikes and every once in a while, one of us would go to far and get hurt. We made judgements and learned from some of them but it was mostly better to be able to ride even though those are the chances you take when doing so.
I just think I would be hypocritical for me to think it should be against the law for others to do what I do on a regular basis or do simular things to what I don't feel bad in doing.
Cheers
gww
There have been other times that everyone did what was right in their own eyes. That did not end well. Judges 21:25.
PC
I was driving to mom and dads one day and a lady in a pickup was coming from the other direction. We were meeting on a curve and her dog jumped out the window. She jerked the wheel so hard that she almost fliped her truck. I really felt bad for her. I did not feel like she was an idiot for putting herself in that situation. I just really felt bad for her cause I know she loved her dog.
Cheers
gww
pual
QuoteThere have been other times that everyone did what was right in their own eyes. That did not end well. Judges 21:25.
There have also been times when the powers that be have made unfair laws that ended up being changed due to people doing it anyway.
I can't remember the name of the movie, but it is about an old man that cut his own wood and they tried to keep him from building his own house on his own land.
Cheers
gww
One big problem here is that not everyone is good at multi tasking.
I suspect more people die from distracted driving than drunk driving.
Around here if you are texting and come into a bikers space there is a good chance you will lose your side view mirror.
A bit ago Sue Ann and I were riding to dinner. A driver who was texting turned left in front of us at a intersection. That was about as close as I've ever came to hitting another car while on the bike. I still have scuff marks on my right engine guard from the pavement. I was able to get around the back of her car and in doing so ended up facing oncoming traffic. We followed the driver to a convenience store for a "discussion" She couldn't have cared less. Had it been a man I would have smashed his face into the pavement. Had Sue Ann not been so rattled she would have smashed the woman's face into the pavement.
In a months time last year 5 Bikers were killed in this area due to distracted drivers.
So if that call or text are that important to you then you better make sure you don't harm me or mine.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
I might be getting out of line cause I think I already had one post deleted or maby I just forgot to post it. I figure if it is a subject that comes up from one perspective that it doesn't hurt for the other side of the coin to at least be looked at.
Insinuation can make you just as wrong as texting and driving. In one I know you are wrong, nobody deleted anything. In the other, I can guarantee the genious that thought he could text and drive that hurt one of my family because of it, would then cause ME to intentionally break a law and probably several.
gww,
Which side of this are you on anyway. It seems you say there are no such thing as accidents and then you talk about someone making mistakes. Mistakes cause accidents right ? I dont think anyone in his or her right mind would say they havnt made mistakes while driving, but as the times change and we have new ways to make mistakes we will get new laws governing driving.
My aunt and uncle were killed in a accident where a drunk trucker locked his tanker trailer brakes on slick road causing his trailer to slide sideways in the road at over 50 mph and hitting their car. She was killed instantly and he was badly injured, living for about a week before dying. There were no laws about driving drunk at the time, so the family had to take the trucker to court to be able to prove his fault in the accident. If their had been laws about driving drunk ad legal limits set so that his impairment would have been measured at the scene of the accident would have saved my cousins a lot of agony.
If you want to make your mom proud, call her when you get to the grocery store. Dont endanger someone elses life by driving distracted.
PC
Jeff
QuoteInsinuation can make you just as wrong as texting and driving. In one I know you are wrong, nobody deleted anything. In the other, I can guarantee the genious that thought he could text and drive that hurt one of my family because of it, would then cause ME to intentionally break a law and probably several.
It is good to know I was not so far out of line that I got my post deleted. A lot of site's leave the posters name there and put delete so you know when it happened. I have been on some bee sites and some solar sites and just so you know, I have not been deleted very many times and do not go around trying to stir trouble or get out of line.
I am guessing that I typed a bunch and did not hit post. Believe it or not though, it is nice to know for sure and not be perinoid about it.
Thanks for your post.
gww
Believe me, if you get deleted here, you are going to hear about it.
Raiderbill
My last close insident on a bike, (an old 81 amf low rider) was my inatentiveness of not noticing a car stoping in front of me. I had to go on the sholder of the road to keep from hitting him in the back. Scared me for a little bit. I still don't like Mo helmet law though and think that it should be my choice.
Paul
I am not saying that you should not live up to your responcibility for your part in harm you have caused to others. I am saying it is stupid to make laws that people are just not going to follow and that those people if they have caused no harm should not be looked down upon. I am saying that the guy who is tired, or reading a map, or spilling his coffee and it caused harm that should not have happened is no differrent then a person that gets so distracted while being on his phone and that you can not legislate that stuff from happening.
I am also saying that I use my phone and every one I know uses their phone and sometimes I think if you guys feel it is an immportant enough thing you may use your phone and not pull off to the side of the road to do it. You could probly look it up and find advocates that were trying to get radios taken out of cars due to the it making it easier for people to be distracted with them. This is not something I dreamed but that I heard on national news.
I spent a lot of time in my life in a car. I drove 60 miles to work (Mostly 6 days a week) for 30 years. I lived a lot of my life in a car and have ate and used the phone and listened to the radio and was a productive part of sociaty. Why would I want rules made against me.
Accidents. I had a guy with his wife and kid in the car pull out in front of me in the rain. He looked like he was looking at me right in the eyes and just pulled out and I don't know if he froze or just never even saw me but I hit him. I did want his insurance to pay for my car, which it did.
Another time this really old man was doing a uturn and made his loop and ran right into the side of my car. I mean he was going forward and going really slow and still ran into my car.
I got a ticket one time for runnig a stop sign. I was driving in a new area. There was no one on the road. I had found I was going the wrong way and so had turned around and was coming back to the T in the road that I had turned right on insted of left and just ran that stop sign like it wasn't even there and truthfully I did not see it there cause my brain apparrently had a blip. I like to stop and like to use my blinkers. Stuff does happen wierdly even when trying to do right.
As far as something being a law or not and how bad I feel if breaking that law.
I built my saw mill and started logging on my brothers. I didn't know I was going to get hooked and do alot or just a little. My truck had 12000 lbs plates on it. I put logs on that truck that overloaded those plates. I eventually went and got bigger plates but did not feel bad about breaking the law before I got them. Those logs now are being carryed on the exact equiptment now as they were before and the only differrance is now I don't need a front lisence plate on my truck due to the weight increase.
I am only in my fifties but figure that I am old enough to decide if it is important enough to call my daughter and ask which turn off I want to take when going to her new home with out pulling off the side of a busy interstate just to do that. I can't see somebody being able to pull me over cause of that. Why would I want them to make a law saying that is wrong? Nobody is going to listen to that law anyway.
Cheers
gww
Jeff
QuoteBelieve me, if you get deleted here, you are going to hear about it.
If I go so far that you need to delete me, I want to hear about it. I might be dumb enough to not know with out being told :)
Thanks
gww
If I delete YOU, you will find out when you try to access my website again. If your post gets deleted, odds are what ever admin did it will issue a system warning to you for that.
As for your most recent post, you have described exactly why there should be laws to help protect people like me from people that think like you.
My phone has a drive mode. If someone sends me a text when I am moving, they get an auto reply that says this:
[Auto-Reply] My phone is answering you because I am driving. Only mindless dweebs text and drive. I'll get back to you when I can. Maybe.
Jeff
QuoteAs for your most recent post, you have described exactly why there should be laws to help protect people like me from people that think like you.
QuoteMy phone has a drive mode. If someone sends me a text when I am moving, they get an auto reply that says this:
[Auto-Reply] My phone is answering you because I am driving. Only mindless dweebs text and drive. I'll get back to you when I can. Maybe.
There for a second I thought it was the smiley I posted.
I just say this. I have had the same insurance company since I was 16 years old. I have a clear conscience to this point (never say never) that it has not been my insurance having to pay out any money due to my actions. Perhaps you should have no fear of my abilities on the road. I know I have caused no harm.
Cheers
gww
Thank God I wasn't in the intersection when you ran that stop sign. It would have been a crying shame for me to be the one to have ruined your perfect record.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Brian
You have never looked at directions that you have writen on a napkin or a map while you were moving? I don't have a text plan and don't really know how to send one but I have been multi tasking lots of times while driving. I do talk on the phone all the time while on the road. If I ever mess up, yes it will be an accident because I haven't messed up yet and that time will be differrent for some reason.
No, I do not read maps or anything else while I'm driving. I pull off to a safe place if I need to refer to directions or a map. I totally understand that you can cover hundreds of feet at speed when you take your eyes off the road for only a few seconds. I respect that my 5000 lb vehicle can be a weapon of mass destruction and has lethal force if I hit a pedestrian, bicyclist, or another vehicle. If you ever "mess up" it is not an "accident" because you are deliberately exercising unsafe behavior and fully know that it can have deadly consequences--you just don't care.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
I don't know one person who hasn't answered their phone while driving or called somebody. Some try not to more then others but I do not know one that hasn't did it.
Now you do. I never answer or talk on my phone while I'm driving. I make calls before I leave. No call is so important that it can't wait until I get home or to where I'm going when it is safe for me to talk without endangering the people around me.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Or eating a hamburger and driving a stick shift if you want to get right down to it.
You think driving a manual transmission is distracted driving? Neither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle. It's exactly the opposite—it makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.
Your logic is baffling to me. It seems you are more concerned that rules of the road take away your "freedom" or might make you a "criminal" than understanding that driver safety and other people's lives actually matter. Frankly, I don't know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving. I'm now going to recuse myself before I say anything inappropriate.
Quote from: Brian_Weekley on March 16, 2017, 12:30:07 PM
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Brian
You have never looked at directions that you have writen on a napkin or a map while you were moving? I don't have a text plan and don't really know how to send one but I have been multi tasking lots of times while driving. I do talk on the phone all the time while on the road. If I ever mess up, yes it will be an accident because I haven't messed up yet and that time will be differrent for some reason.
No, I do not read maps or anything else while I'm driving. I pull off to a safe place if I need to refer to directions or a map. I totally understand that you can cover hundreds of feet at speed when you take your eyes off the road for only a few seconds. I respect that my 5000 lb vehicle can be a weapon of mass destruction and has lethal force if I hit a pedestrian, bicyclist, or another vehicle. If you ever "mess up" it is not an "accident" because you are deliberately exercising unsafe behavior and fully know that it can have deadly consequences--you just don't care.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
I don't know one person who hasn't answered their phone while driving or called somebody. Some try not to more then others but I do not know one that hasn't did it.
Now you do. I never answer or talk on my phone while I'm driving. I make calls before I leave. No call is so important that it can't wait until I get home or to where I'm going when it is safe for me to talk without endangering the people around me.
Quote from: gww on March 15, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Or eating a hamburger and driving a stick shift if you want to get right down to it.
You think driving a manual transmission is distracted driving? Neither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle. It's exactly the opposite—it makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.
Your logic is baffling to me. It seems you are more concerned that rules of the road take away your "freedom" or might make you a "criminal" than understanding that driver safety and other people's lives actually matter. Frankly, I don't know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving. I'm now going to recuse myself before I say anything inappropriate.
SAME.
PC
Jeff
QuoteThank God I wasn't in the intersection when you ran that stop sign. It would have been a crying shame for me to be the one to have ruined your perfect record.
I am glad you were not at the intersection also. That is why I stop 99.9 percent of the time and wish that I could say that I stoped 100 percent of the time never made a mistake. That is how accidents happen at times that even people with the best intentions and practices can mess up some how. It is the same thing as the guy who has used the table saw for 50 years and then messed up, it's not that he didn't know how to use it. He just didn't know how to use it once. I guess if he added up all the beutiful things he built over 50 year against the broken finger from a kick back, he would have to decide if the risk would have been worth the creation if he got a chance to do it again.
brian
QuoteFrankly, I don't know how I could live with myself if I killed someone because I was doing something stupid while driving.
I agree one thousand percent with this and feel the same way.
Now to the rest of you post. Good for you but I just wonder if a poll was taken and answered honestly buy everyone who participated in this thread of how many live by the standard that you have decided for yourself and promote as being correct? I am not saying I know the answer that question but you guys do. I am not saying that the question should be to the standard that I am recieving push back on but to the standard that brian has for hisself.
How many people religiously live by these standards below?
QuoteNo, I do not read maps or anything else while I'm driving.
QuoteI never answer or talk on my phone while I'm driving.
QuoteNeither my wife nor I have ever owned an automatic vehicle. It's exactly the opposite—it makes you drive your car instead of trying to hold your coffee, eat your hamburger, read your map, or talk/text on the phone while driving.
You guys know what you do and don't do. I don't know unless you tell me.
I know of the people I know that no one has that standard. When we were young and gas was sometimes as low as $0.35, we used to live on the back roads and driving around was our intertainment. We would spend a week in the car with lunches and driving the backroads looking for mushrooms. I have always lived pretty far in the boonies and to get anywhere you had to pack a lunch and make a day of it. Driving was intertainment but that didn't mean we didn't take it as a responcibility also.
Maby it is where I live and the attitudes of that area, but I know no one that does not make life pretty decent for themselves and they are not out there killing people.
My experiances just say that most people I know use the car to get where they need to go and usually grab a lunch and eat, listen to the radio or answer the phone while they do it.
This is my truth based on my life.
Cheers
gww
Ps I see that while typing this that paul has answered the above question for hisself. That is two now.
I have just one quick comment . stay away from big trucks . The ones with the little satellite dish on top . They have the ability to be dispatched while on the go . You think cell phones are bad try typing while going down the roar at 65 MPH . See why I say stay away from trucks .
Gearbox
Yes, alot of the gass companies and maby the ups and lots of delivery type buinesses are putting what they call Kanban sytems on everything that the employees have to enter data after every job and also look for the next job. It makes it easy for the company to gain data on how long things take to do and lets them keep track of employees and the data lets them add work in areas where room is found. I even saw a documetory where they had them on trash trucks to track the employees. At work they put them on forktrucks and also put little stations of radio feeds to that told when the truck went by so they could track what was being put in by the employee compared to what the auto feed back was saying.
They used to try and stop cell phone use at work but still wanted the employee to use it to call if they had a breakdown. They claimed safety but since the supervisors lived by the phone to run the plant, their claims rang a little untrue.
I have seen people diciplined for using a phone and also diciplined for not using one because he didn't use it to call for a break down.
I may not be right in my views on things but got those views by living life.
Cheers
gww
Ps I bet mcdonalds has enough money to buy legislators votes to block any effort made to stop people from eating in their cars. :D