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Title: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 06, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
Sooner or later snowmobile season may begin. I am always looking for people to ride with since it seems nobody ever has time to ride.

Typically I like to drop at barnes corners and ride from there. The other area I really enjoy is osceola redfield area. I am open to pretty much anywhere.

Barnes corners is a little under 3 hours for me Osceola is just about the same. Anybody interested in riding this year?

I run a 2006 Ski-doo MXZ 600 SDI. Depending on trail conditions and amount of ppl depends on my riding. I am typically pretty conservative but do enjoy going fast when conditions permit.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Magicman on December 06, 2017, 12:43:46 PM
Riding on a snowmobile someday is on my bucket list. 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 06, 2017, 01:07:07 PM
I lived in AZ for 10 years. I used to run my jeep everywhere. It was great I could choose a direction on a friday and not run into another person all weekend. The closest I can get to that in NY is on my sled.

I have also seen some amazing things out riding. one time I had a fully mature bald eagle take off from the trail 20' in front of me. he had to have a 12' wingspan. He covered the entire trail. When he landed in a nearby tree it looked like his wings hung below the branch by about 2'. it was amazing.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Raider Bill on December 06, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on December 06, 2017, 12:21:55 PM
Sooner or later snowmobile season may begin. I am always looking for people to ride with since it seems nobody ever has time to ride.

Typically I like to drop at barnes corners and ride from there. The other area I really enjoy is osceola redfield area. I am open to pretty much anywhere.

Barnes corners is a little under 3 hours for me Osceola is just about the same. Anybody interested in riding this year?

I run a 2006 Ski-doo MXZ 600 SDI. Depending on trail conditions and amount of ppl depends on my riding. I am typically pretty conservative but do enjoy going fast when conditions permit.

Those are both areas we used to sled, trout fish and deer hunt! Havn't thought about them in many years.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 06, 2017, 05:35:06 PM
is that little bar still there on the right just pasted the old hotel it was all knotty pine in side and the bar top was full of pics and I think it also had money under about 2in of clear coat  nice place  haven't been up there riding since 2003 I like the flat rock also  the Monaque bar isn't bad I remember hitting the metal deck bridge with my 12in carbide runners wasn't fun over the handle bars I went  and of course there was the Lewis co Sheriff sitting there I got up got back on the sled and he pulled me over and asked me how drunk I was told him haven't had anything yet but I may start now he gave me a few thing to do and I was laughing at him I said look at the carbide runners on the skies there 12in long and they don't like metal deck bridges he looked and told me have a nice day gave me a little sticker to put on the windshield and was good for the weekend  8)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 07, 2017, 07:14:49 AM
I think you are talking about louie's? they closed 2 years ago. It was a shame. really nice owners and good food for to good of a price. And it was right next to the parking lot I drop at :) Tuggers is still there just a little ways down the road. I have had good luck in the random parking lot so I like to park there.

How come I never get stickers when they harass me? I HATE that stupid bridge. I have dual 4" carbides and have the same problem.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 07, 2017, 02:52:18 PM
ya tuggers was the other place I was thinking about  never did like the timber view the food was nasty   the white lake inn over by Forest port had good drinks  :-X  got caught in the town of web with no riding permit  ::) but they let me go and fallowed me out  ;D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 07, 2017, 02:54:35 PM
Web and old forge trail system are pretty strict that requires their trail pass The NYS reg does not count.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Raider Bill on December 07, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: coxy on December 07, 2017, 02:52:18 PM
ya tuggers was the other place I was thinking about  never did like the timber view the food was nasty   the white lake inn over by Forest port had good drinks  :-X  got caught in the town of web with no riding permit  ::) but they let me go and fallowed me out  ;D

Is that the same White Lake just North of Woodgate on rt 28? Used to go there quite a bit.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on December 07, 2017, 03:15:08 PM
Crusarius,
If you would like to do a day trip closer to home I would be glad to show you around our trail system. I think you are 1.5 hours away ?  I groom here so I know it pretty well. The only caveat is that we have to get snow first ! Haven't seen much in the past two years. Parking areas in Odessa and Alpine ny. I am not a fan of Tug Hill,.. I like smooth trails.
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 07, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
Moose that would be awesome. I agree with liking smooth trails thats why I like to stay off main parts of the hill. I enjoy flatrock occasionally but most of the time I stay on the edges.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 07, 2017, 04:40:19 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 06, 2017, 12:43:46 PM
Riding on a snowmobile someday is on my bucket list.

MM, I got a wild hair and traded for one several years ago. It was probably 6 years or a little longer before I even bothered cranking it. Every once in a while someone would ask when I was going to ride it, and I always replied that when there was snow it was too cold to play.
I finally did get around to riding it some, but mine is a work sled, not too good for playing or just out riding for fun. It is also pretty slow compared to most sleds, so not so good for riding with others.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 07, 2017, 04:55:46 PM
I had an arctic cat Z440 fan cooled for my first sled. It topped out at about 45 MPH with my oversize butt on it but it was a great sled. Tons of fun on tight wooded trails which is what I typically run. I was forced to upgrade when I watched all the guys I was riding with hit a long straight and disappear. But in the woods they could not keep up with me.

After that I got and 800 ski-doo that had some work done on it. I sold that and moved to the 600. The 800 was to much for the tight trails I ride. the semi direct injected 600 is perfect. Can still break into the triple digits but also throw it around pretty easy on tight trails. I would be very hard pressed to consider going back to a carb'd sled. The sled sits all summer in the fall I press the start button once to prime the fuel system then hold it and she starts perfect every time.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 08, 2017, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Raider Bill on December 07, 2017, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: coxy on December 07, 2017, 02:52:18 PM
ya tuggers was the other place I was thinking about  never did like the timber view the food was nasty   the white lake inn over by Forest port had good drinks  :-X  got caught in the town of web with no riding permit  ::) but they let me go and fallowed me out  ;D

Is that the same White Lake just North of Woodgate on rt 28? Used to go there quite a bit.
yep :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Chuck White on December 09, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
Not sure (exactly) if it's true or not, but I've heard that you have to belong to a snowmobiling club in order to run on the state groomed trails!
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 09, 2017, 04:33:00 PM
The state grooms trails??
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on December 09, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
In maine the state kicks back some of the reg
Money that gets to the club's to drag most of the 14000 miles we have
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on December 09, 2017, 05:25:22 PM
Ny state snowmobile registration is $100. 15 goes to the state,  rest goes in a fund to pay clubs to maintain trails, making it one of  the few self funded statewide recreation programs. (Hunting is another ). IF you belong to a club your registration is only  $45, state still gets 15. This was initiated to compel the people that use the trails to join a club and help out with trails. Most join a club for the savings but are never seen helping out.
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 09, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
What moose said. I just registered mine today. club fee cost $30 registration $45. if you are not part of a club it is more I thought 115 but I could be wrong I always join a club since the main trail in NYS runs right down my back lot line.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 09, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
Wow, what happens if you are caught with no registration?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 10, 2017, 08:11:23 AM
I think it can be up to $500 that was what my buddy that did not register said last year. I think it was only $250 the prior years.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 10, 2017, 08:38:42 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on December 10, 2017, 08:11:23 AM
I think it can be up to $500 that was what my buddy that did not register said last year. I think it was only $250 the prior years.
:D :D ill tell you how much it is 500 no reg 500 no insurance  and what ever the judge has for court  fees  the insurance ticket will reflect on your auto insurance   around here they use to have 377 skidoos but that day they had an 800  :o :D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: MartyParsons on December 10, 2017, 08:40:37 AM
Hello,
  We are always ready for a snowmobile trip. Just got the sleds in the shop last evening. So might take me a few days. Watch ilsnow.com just about everyday for up dates on storms and trail conditions. Like to ride at Old Forge, but will travel to find snow.
You all seem to like pictures.



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Trail 10 on the Town of Web trail system.



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Forth Lake in the Fulton Chain of lakes.

Magic you ever want to go let me know.

Marty


Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Magicman on December 10, 2017, 01:58:11 PM
Thanks Marty.  Maybe it will be doable.   :)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Bruno of NH on December 10, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
MM snowmobiling is some of the best times I ever had.
My father inlaw and I would ride a lot you can see some nice country.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 11, 2017, 07:28:58 AM
Coxy, I am guessing you have personal experience? Also betting you didn't get away since they upgraded to an 800 that day?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 11, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
ahh yep and no he was faster than me and got to a narrow part of the trail and blocked it did not know it was the law till I seen his coat   :o then oh ship  :D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 11, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
Lynn COME ON UP Ill PM you when the snow is deep and find a sled for u to ride.
BUT only if you bring pat along to savor the winter experience.
AND if you stay with us.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 11, 2017, 05:55:55 PM
another add on.
since we sold the Florida house last march Linda told me I should buy another sled.
Still looking
My fave so far is the entry level  carbureted 600 skidoo sport.
I can buy a new 2017 for about 7500 out the door.
The new etecs are awesome but 1100 grand is to rich for an 70 -10 year old guy that will maybe only ride a couple of more years
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 12, 2017, 07:44:18 AM
Pete. if I were you I would look for a slightly older fuel injected electric start sled with reverse. you should be able to get into a decent one for around $3000. It seems sleds don't really drop below $1500 value no matter how old they are. at least in this area.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on December 12, 2017, 08:32:33 AM
If there is going to be a FF snowmobile ride I want in ! My lovely bride and I have ridden Maine, Ontario and many parts of NY. Always ready to ride with a few days notice. Pete's area is very nice.
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 12, 2017, 10:12:32 AM
I would not be opposed to that. always looking for someone to ride with.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on December 12, 2017, 11:16:55 AM
For those of you that have sleds. Put the Polaris ride com and app on your phone. It has most of the trail maps. It's free also has atv trails
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 12, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
That would mean I need to clean my phone off....
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on December 12, 2017, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on December 11, 2017, 05:55:55 PM
1100 grand is to rich for an 70 -10 year old guy that will maybe only ride a couple of more years
pete my dad use to say your only as old as you feel  :) :D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on December 12, 2017, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on December 12, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
That would mean I need to clean my phone off....
that may be .The app is pretty handy when the trail can go 3 different ways and you can't tell the rite one. It also has satellite  pictures.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 13, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
I will have to do that soon. I had been tempted to buy the other app for the area but I just haven't done it. I have not done much riding the last couple of years cause I have had no one to  go with. I still like paper maps up there. they may not be 100% accurate but the batteries don't die :)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 14, 2017, 03:50:04 AM
Or run out of service, around here a phone would not do much good, unless you stayed awful close to town.

Coxy, as far as I know we do not even have such a thing as liability insurance for sleds or atvs. We do have a registration here, but it is not needed except for certain properties, federal I think.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on December 14, 2017, 08:09:32 AM
the polaris ride command worked fine for me with out cell service as long as i started it while i had a signal. first fatal sled crash in maine of the season. near rockwood a man from nc some how while backing up the sled rolled over on top of him
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 14, 2017, 08:12:22 AM
I downloaded the app last night. If I wasn't late leaving this morning I may have played with it.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 20, 2017, 08:03:46 AM
Got delivery of my new (to me) toy yesterday
2015 skidoo renegade X  600 etec, loaded, 650 miles ,studs, rmotion suspension, GPS, adjustable handlebars, storage bag, fuel caddy, high windshield,  some other options
Now just need some white stuff.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 20, 2017, 09:37:03 AM
oooh. pete I would love to check that out. I would love to upgrade but hard to justify it with the miles I ride every year.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on December 20, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
Pete, that is a very nice ride. We have 600 GSX s. The engine is incredible. Touch the starter button and it is running. Your going to like that sled.
Let me know when your trails open,  my wife and I like to ride there. Usually park at Mountain side(?) On 281 then head your way.
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 21, 2017, 07:36:12 AM
had a couple of guys I know head up yesterday. hoping to get a conditions report soon. The one has a cabin in osceola redfield area.

I need to know if indian lake piseco area will have any good riding just after Christmas I will be up there for a couple days.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 21, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
Well guys come on up here, we have plenty of white stuff this year. I even see them riding here in town pretty regular.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on December 21, 2017, 05:00:48 PM
i saw sled tracks on a pond today. and last saturday saw some ice fishing. and then on the news a warden plane went through the ice up in the county. just the tail sticking out
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 21, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
Starmac I would do that without even thinking. I love AK
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: reride82 on December 21, 2017, 06:34:02 PM
I'm hoping to get out after the first of the year. Our snow down low hasn't been great, but over 7500' I hear its pretty decent. Are you guys limited to trails and lakes? One benefit to all the national forest out here is that most of the terrain is fair game, if you can get to it, that's why I have a long track  ;)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on December 21, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
We have plenty of snow this year. We went out to check on and refuel the guy plowing the log road we are hauling on yesterday, thinking we would haula load today, but not happening until the weather cools off some. I am not a sledder, but the warm weather we have had is probably good for sledding, at least they would not freeze, but the snow is heavy, like lower 48 snow.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 22, 2017, 08:09:28 AM
MH Ill do that.
It is the Mountain View just south of Preble.
got about 3 inches last night but supposed to warm up and rain.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on December 22, 2017, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: reride82 on December 21, 2017, 06:34:02 PM
I'm hoping to get out after the first of the year. Our snow down low hasn't been great, but over 7500' I hear its pretty decent. Are you guys limited to trails and lakes? One benefit to all the national forest out here is that most of the terrain is fair game, if you can get to it, that's why I have a long track  ;)

yea, pretty much stuck to state trails and lakes that the trails run across. after living in AZ and having all the freedom of wide open places to explore snowmobiling is the only option for that in NY
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on January 15, 2018, 07:44:32 AM
Bummer of a day yesterday. Out riding with a friend, finally get some local riding. Get to a pretty ugly water crossing. This little voice in my head says "you probably don't want to do that today". So we both decided to go back the other way.

After turning around I start noticing my drivers side knuckle is bouncing around quite a bit. I started thinking no big deal its probably just worn out bushings. We get to a trail crossing and I decide to take a look at it. When I grabbed it to shake it there was alot more than bushing movement. Of course you couldn't see anything till the pipe was removed.

Apparently before I purchased the sled someone had hit something with it. You could see the hammer marks where they tried to straighten the aluminum bulkhead. Over time it just tore off. Good news was we were not far from the shop so went back to the shop and called it a day.

Only my second ride of the year and broke :( I might have 15 miles on it so far. guess I can't complain to much the last 3 years have been flawless.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on January 15, 2018, 08:14:44 AM
thats a very well known ski doo problem
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on January 15, 2018, 08:25:15 AM
probably would have been fine if the previous owner did not hit something. The other side looks fine.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: florida on January 15, 2018, 09:59:15 AM
We spent Christmas out in Fraser, CO where we had a 4 hour snowmobile trip scheduled. The weather didn't cooperate with enough snow so the best we could do was a 1 hour guided trip that was actually about 40 minutes of riding. It was pretty lame but gave us a taste of snowmobiles. As far as the actual riding it seemed very much like riding one of my 4 wheelers except for the freezing part! What I'd really like about it would be the ability to ride anywhere there is enough snow. We're going to do it again and hope for more snow next time.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on January 15, 2018, 10:08:35 AM
Went to my ADK camp thursday in warm weather.
Sat out the warm warm warm and rainy stuff friday.
Got to 0 over night and snowed about 10 " on Saturday.
Didnt ride much then only 15 miles or so but was nice.
Was -16 Sunday AM and we headed home.
Plan to head back up in 2 weeks weather permitting.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on January 15, 2018, 10:19:59 AM
I need to fix my sled so I can get some miles in. Unfortunately the riding is taking from the mill building time. I just can't win.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2018, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on January 15, 2018, 07:44:32 AM
Bummer of a day yesterday. Out riding with a friend, finally get some local riding. Get to a pretty ugly water crossing. This little voice in my head says "you probably don't want to do that today". So we both decided to go back the other way.

After turning around I start noticing my drivers side knuckle is bouncing around quite a bit. I started thinking no big deal its probably just worn out bushings. We get to a trail crossing and I decide to take a look at it. When I grabbed it to shake it there was alot more than bushing movement. Of course you couldn't see anything till the pipe was removed.

Apparently before I purchased the sled someone had hit something with it. You could see the hammer marks where they tried to straighten the aluminum bulkhead. Over time it just tore off. Good news was we were not far from the shop so went back to the shop and called it a day.

Only my second ride of the year and broke :( I might have 15 miles on it so far. guess I can't complain to much the last 3 years have been flawless.

So I am one crazy lucky person. This is what the nun / front crossmember looked like when I pulled it.

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This is what the new one looks like.

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I cannot believe how bad it was. if this had failed any other way it could have been very bad for me. The original came out in 3 pieces. Good news is it looks like everything is going to go back together pretty easy. I managed to break one of the lower control arm bolts and messed up the channel on the bulkhead that is supposed to keep the nuts from spinning. But other than that is was pretty easy tearing it all down. Hopefully get it all back together tomorrow. I am using bolts to put it back together wonder if I should use loctite?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: MartyParsons on February 03, 2018, 08:24:17 PM
Hello,
  Looks like a snowy week in the Adirondacks. We are headed there on Monday.

Not sure if it is me but wow these sleds take some work to keep them going.   

New engine in XP last year. Huge list of issues on the black sled. If you have a 08 XP there is not much that has not happened to that sled. I call it the money pit.




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Do the snow dance.
M

Weather man link.   http://www.ilsnow.com/weather/

Pete not sure where you camp is. If you are up there PM me I would love to meet.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2018, 09:33:02 PM
I love the teeth :)

Mine is an 06 600 SDI. Not sure I will ever get a carb'd sled again. This is also the first sled I kept more than 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
Marty, how long you going to be up there?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on February 04, 2018, 05:44:48 AM
if anyone one is in to  racing skidoo I could give you some tips to lighten up your sled but it cant be for snow cross   
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on February 04, 2018, 07:17:36 AM
Crusarius,  there is a guy that makes a bulkhead reinforce bracket to address that problem.  I cannot find his ad in this issue of Super trax but see it often in Snotech.
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: justallan1 on February 04, 2018, 08:54:09 AM
Well hopefully today I get to go ride mine a bit. Last night nearly every highway for about a hundred miles in any direction was shut down to emergency use only, so if it quits snowing and blowing then I'm going to play.
The ranch I work for is in 3 counties with a small mountain range right in the middle and generally I only get enough snow to make feeding a pain in the butt, hopefully today is different.....
I just bought a sled last month off the local yard sale site and although I've only got to ride it maybe 20 miles at most, I like it.
It's a 2001 Artic Cat 500 efi with about 2000 miles on it. Granted I don't know anything about these things, but I figured that it and a store bought tilt trailer was worth the $950 I had to spend for it.
I bought the thing in hopes that it offers something for the girlfriend and myself something to do outdoors, but also to possibly go cut some burls. I've only rode it twice so far, once to get some escapee cows and once for just goofing off. I've only wound it up to about 45 MPH, but it sure seems like it's got plenty more.


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Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 04, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Good luck with your new toy Alan.
Marty I go 2 places.
My camp near Long Lake and ride toward Indian Lake and sometimes toward Old /forge, but refuse to pay their trail fee.
this camp is 6-1/2 miles in and we have to skiboose our supplies in but it is all part of the adventure.
The other spot is in St Lawrence co. village of DeGrasse.
Drive to the front door, trail goes right past camp.
This place sleeps 12 or so, so maybe we can meet there sometime and save you high lodging fees.
Traditionally trails are well looked after and not too much traffic in either place.
Have rode Tug Hill three times  this year a couple of weeks ago 100 mi each time, but am now waiting for snow cover to build.
We ride almost exclusively in daylight hrs as the crazies seem to appear after dark.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2018, 09:54:38 AM
I like riding at night. easier to see the craziness coming around the corners.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2018, 09:55:14 AM
Allan thats not a bad sled for a killer price. The cheapest sled I ever see around here is a clapped out one for 1500.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: MartyParsons on February 04, 2018, 11:33:23 AM
Be in Old Forge area till Sat.
Staying on Forth Lake. Hopefully make at least one loop through Indian lake ( trail of tears) and around to Cranberry Lake and back to Stillwater .


Never purchased a new sled, always used and made them work.
Marty
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on February 04, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on February 04, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Good luck with your new toy Alan.
Marty I go 2 places.
My camp near Long Lake and ride toward Indian Lake and sometimes toward Old /forge, but refuse to pay their trail fee.
this camp is 6-1/2 miles in and we have to skiboose our supplies in but it is all part of the adventure.
The other spot is in St Lawrence co. village of DeGrasse.
Drive to the front door, trail goes right past camp.
This place sleeps 12 or so, so maybe we can meet there sometime and save you high lodging fees.
Traditionally trails are well looked after and not too much traffic in either place.
Have rode Tug Hill three times  this year a couple of weeks ago 100 mi each time, but am now waiting for snow cover to build.
We ride almost exclusively in daylight hrs as the crazies seem to appear after dark.
Pete I use to bear hunt the other side of long lake stayed at the state camp ground  also hunted up by the long lake reservoir talked to a hiker one day said he left his tent and most of his gear about 2 miles up from the reservoir cause there was numerous bears ripping thins apart said he will never hike that part of the trail again  also hunted up at butter milk falls that a neat place
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Jack S on February 04, 2018, 01:14:57 PM
Wow Marty, That will be some trip. Indian lake and cranberry lake are two different directions almost 180 degrees. Have a camp near eagle bay on fourth lake and snowmobiled that country back in the 80's Anyway you will enjoy every bit of your trip. Actually fourth lake to long lake to cranberry to stillwater and back will make for a long day. No groomed trails on that trip that I remember. To cold for this ol man. would love to see a after the trip report.  stay safe  Jack
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2018, 02:04:55 PM
Definitely sounds like a good trip marty. I have friend in indian lake so I know the area. Love to get some local riding so I can test my sled locally and not have a 3 or 4 hour drive to find out I missed something.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 05, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
Marty have a great time.
Wow that is a long days ride.
We rode from my LL camp around to Indian Lake, then to the Moose River plains and back across Raquette and then back to camp \.
Dark when we got back.
As I recall about 150 miles or so.
This was 4 years ago when I was young and I was still pooped.
Trails there are usually very well taken care of.
If you ride the plains be aware that the forest ranger has a radar gun and is not afraid to use it.
WE dodged a bullet on that trip as i was leading at about 55 and he was shooting sleds coming the other way.
Low speed limit there, I think 25.
Coxy I spent quite a lot of time by the LL reservoir and mt Sabbatis hunting back in the 60s.
My friends dad was forest ranger at that time.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 05, 2018, 10:51:05 AM
yea. they have gotten much stricter on sleds. if you are on a park road with a posted limit of 25 you have to obey it. Makes fo no fun on the long roads that are the perfect dragstrip.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 05, 2018, 12:55:39 PM
x2
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on February 05, 2018, 03:15:47 PM
Never knew that they would actually ticket you a trail.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 05, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
back when I started riding it wasn't bad. most of the time they just checked to make sure you were legal. but unfortunately since it has been abused and to many fatal accidents they cracked down on it pretty bad.

I don't know if it counts on your driving record or not but I think I heard it does.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on February 05, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
I don't know for sure, but I bet my old sled doesn't run much over 25 to start with.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: MartyParsons on February 05, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
Hello,
Grip n rip makes the kit. I have one but never installed it.
M
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on February 06, 2018, 07:05:42 AM
they raced in the iron dog in alaska
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 06, 2018, 07:38:35 AM
I looked at the reinforcing. I think I would prefer the cross member to fail that redirect the impact to the tunnel. the cross member is an easy job compared to the tunnel. I would have had it all done if I had the right rivets in stock. Hopefully they will come today or tomorrow.

Should be good to go this weekend.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 06, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
dodged the bullet once on a straight section of plowed rd with a curve at the end several years ago.
Sled was new and i opened her up on the straight section, wont say how fast.
Slowed down for the corner and there was the ranger on the other sid eof the curve. just checked for registration but he must have heard me comin.
Hope to head north tomorrow morning for a few days
They have some new snow now.
More expected tomorrow.
Im in 2 facebook groups that update conditions often.

Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 06, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
I don't facebook.

But I should be getting my rivets today. So hopefully be back in business for this weekend. If we get the 5-8" they are calling for tomorrow I may be lucky enough to do some local testing before I drive all the way up there and find I missed something.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 09, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
ok I am bummed now :( working on putting sled together. I needed some 1/4" rivets to fill the holes that got wallowed out and my rivet gun only goes up to 3/16" :(

Anybody close by have a 1/4" gun? of course I only need it for 3 or 4 rivets and I can't use bolts there and have the plastic still fit right :(
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on February 09, 2018, 04:48:14 PM
use big zip ties  :D sorry couldn't help my self  :) how about a carriage bolt 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: starmac on February 09, 2018, 04:54:31 PM
Crusarius if you have to buy or rent one, pay close attention to how much room you have where the rivits are needed. I have two, the reason being is that a straight one will not fit in some places as an angled one and visa versa, because of the log handles.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 09, 2018, 08:51:54 PM
yea. the zipties didn't work. carriage bolts wouldn't work but talking to my dad on the phone he asked why not use button head bolts. So I used my button head and found my button head bolts. Got it all back together. Tomorrow will be the test drive since I have to move the mill out of the garage again to get the sled out.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 10, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
Just got back in from testing the sled. I decided to plow while I was at it so I fixed the mouse chewed wire on the UTV and plowed in the rain. Used the tractor to scrape around the house cause it always turns into a solid sheet of ice.

Sled felt awesome. I am soooo ready for a trip. Who's in?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: MartyParsons on February 10, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
 
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 Daikers
Hello,
  Just got back from Inlet. First day, to Indian Lake   
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 stud went through the heat exchange coming from Long Lake. Pulled the wife back to motel about 20 miles. Miscommunication and she and the sled flipped while I was pulling her.

Second day different sled no studs she flipped again on a turn very icy Big Moose Road on the way to Stillwater  and Brantingham ( Pine Tree Inn) . Lost my sled after that flip. All good no one injured.  :o
Lots of snow.
Thursday talked to a WM owner in Harrisville Rod and Gun club did not know about the Forestry Forum, he does now. LOL

Mileage does not matter but looked like about 450+ miles from Tuesday through Friday. Trails were good to excellent. Need a windshield and a heat exchange weld job, maybe a track. All part of the experience.
I have some pictures if you are interested.


Now back to work.  smiley_whip
Marty
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: sandhills on February 11, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
Yes, interested of course.   :)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 11, 2018, 10:13:40 AM
not going to say no to pics
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: coxy on February 11, 2018, 12:24:04 PM
we always put JB weld on them works good and don't have to take every thing apart
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 12, 2018, 08:52:04 AM
didnt go north as planned but did a nice 100 miler on Saturday here in CNY.
Trails mostly good to excellent and did a couple of miles on fresh powder on a pipeline with a couple of steep hills, lots of fun.
Hope to head north thursday, not supposed to be too good that day but better for fri and sat.
Marty thanks for the pics and sorry to hear of your misfortunes, but as you said, sure is part of the experience.
Was there much traffic?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 12, 2018, 09:00:11 AM
I am contemplating a trip up this weekend. But with the weather forecast I am not sure its a good idea.

Trails will probably be either slush or frozen tracks. That is never fun to ride on.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on February 16, 2018, 08:19:21 AM
Finally got to ride last Thursday,  went about 60 miles. Developed a migraine at about 30 miles. Wondered if I would make it home. My right eye was watering so bad from the migraine I had trouble seeing. My lovely bride had Friday off so we went together , rode about 50 to lunch and 40 miles back. No headache!  Good ride. Saturday the snow started melting. It's all gone now. 150 miles in three years,  sometimes I wonder why we keep the machines.  Oh well at least we don't have to feed and water them when we aren't using them!
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 16, 2018, 09:34:13 AM
I been very tempted to pull the drivetrain out of my sled and build a crazy fun side by side. Then as I was planning on doing that I had one of the best rides of my life.

It is very hard sometimes. Of course now that I have the sled all fixed and ready to go the season is over :(
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Raider Bill on February 22, 2018, 08:55:44 AM
Just watched this crazy crash
Snowmobile 0 Mountain 1 - Epic Snowmobile Crash - YouTube (https://youtu.be/rbn5rQVKj1Y)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Kbeitz on February 22, 2018, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: Crusarius on February 09, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
ok I am bummed now :( working on putting sled together. I needed some 1/4" rivets to fill the holes that got wallowed out and my rivet gun only goes up to 3/16" :(

Anybody close by have a 1/4" gun? of course I only need it for 3 or 4 rivets and I can't use bolts there and have the plastic still fit right :(
You can buy 1/4" rivets that has a pin sticking out of the top. You just drop the rivet in the hole and hit the top with a hammer to drive the pin down. Used in the trucking industry. Very good rivets. No gun needed.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 22, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Saw parts if the vid a few days ago but not the whole thing.
I'll bet this idiot will be right back at it too.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on March 19, 2018, 05:46:43 PM
i took the day off and went snowmobiling today. i could have ridden from home plenty of snow. instead unloaded in newport and went up the rail bed to greenvile. clear blue sky and cold. quite a lot of sleds out. they are still dragging trails so it was pretty good going. 125 miles round trip
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on March 20, 2018, 07:44:27 AM
that sounds like a great day. Hmmm wonder if I should make a trip this weekend? maybe not. I want to get my mill done
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: snowstorm on March 20, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on March 20, 2018, 07:44:27 AM
that sounds like a great day. Hmmm wonder if I should make a trip this weekend? maybe not. I want to get my mill done
this week should be very good. there was more snow in greenvile. 3 to 4 ft anyway. talked to someone that went to rangeley he said there was 6 ft in the mountains 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: moosehunter on March 20, 2018, 09:23:33 PM
I'm envious,  Maine is high on my favorite place to ride list. Have hubbed out of Presque Isle and Caribou. Wish I could go every year. 
mh
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on January 21, 2019, 08:02:20 AM
Just a little bit of fun in sub zero temperatures :)
This is what happens when you get home with just a little bit of daylight left. My son wanted a ride so I gave him a ride then had a little fun. He liked watching better.

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Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 01, 2019, 09:49:35 AM
Well, as long as everything goes right I am heading up riding saturday morning 2/2/19. 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 01, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
Rode the past 2 weekends in the Long Lake area.
Trails good to excellent, traffic not too bad, chilly tho.
Enjoy Keith!!
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Raider Bill on February 01, 2019, 11:32:49 AM
I'm riding tomorrow also.
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Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 01, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
Thanks Pete, thats good to know. right now kinda looking like we are going to drop at the grist mill and ride from there. Hopefully there is enough snow down that far. its always nice to avoid the bar loop, that usually avoids most of the traffic and smoother trails.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 01, 2019, 01:18:39 PM
well, crap. My buddy had to go and jinx us. he said "now if the lights work"

Remind me to bury him in the snow this weekend.

All 4 of the trailer light wires corroded and broke. its pretty freaking cold to be rewiring a trailer in the driveway. I really wish I had a real shop.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Raider Bill on February 01, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
I wish someone would come up with a wireless trailer light system. Seems trailer wiring/lights is a universal PITA.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 01, 2019, 02:36:03 PM
they are not bad if done right. these were not done right.

butt connectors and electrical tape. that equals disaster on any trailer but a snowmobile trailer it so much worse.

All fixed. it sure is cold out there. Of course I bought 5w20 oil when I needed 5w30. Today does not seem to be my day. Real question is do I go swap it and do the oil change or just deal with what I have?
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 09:43:01 AM
Well I got everything done and headed out yesterday. Dropped at the gristmill and rode towards osceola / redfield area. Trails were great up till lunchtime then were spotty after that. But still quite a bit better than many other days I have had in the past.

Rode 150 miles. Good day. Ended the day in the freezing rain. Glad I went saturday and not today.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: thecfarm on February 03, 2019, 10:31:52 AM
The trails just opened here a few weeks ago. Just did not have the snow.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Stephen1 on February 03, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: Raider Bill on February 01, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
I wish someone would come up with a wireless trailer light system. Seems trailer wiring/lights is a universal PITA.
Absolutly a PITA. I have a magnetic set that I use on occasion. I also saw at Princess auto has a wireless set. pricey but might solve a lot of PITA 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: dgdrls on February 03, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 09:43:01 AM
Well I got everything done and headed out yesterday. Dropped at the gristmill and rode towards osceola / redfield area. Trails were great up till lunchtime then were spotty after that. But still quite a bit better than many other days I have had in the past.

Rode 150 miles. Good day. Ended the day in the freezing rain. Glad I went saturday and not today.
Where's the gristmill Crusarius?
D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 02:33:31 PM
parish. Exit 34 I think of 81. maybe exit 33? 
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: dgdrls on February 03, 2019, 02:57:53 PM
OK  I recognize it now, just south of 104,

you make to the east end of the Redfield reservoir?

D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 03:00:04 PM
made it to cedar pines for lunch then up to osceola trading post and up around the big logo in the middle of the snowmobile map :) came back through pulaski to parish
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 03:01:36 PM
I would post a map but the app I was using flaked out halfway through.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: dgdrls on February 03, 2019, 03:05:38 PM
no worries,  sounds like it was a nice ride,

D
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 03, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
definitely good ride. Little sore today :) I think I rode more miles yesterday than all of last year.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on February 04, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
I have a friend in the Adams area, lots of snow there.
Another fatality in the town of Webb system.
Guy got stuck and was either standing or walking in the trail, got hit, all over for him.
That system is heavily used and I avoid it like the plague.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2019, 10:01:58 AM
When we left from gristmill the lady there said be careful its icy they already air lifted someone that day and it was only 9:30.

Looks like this has been a pretty bad year for deaths. Hope it doesn't create more regulation.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Old Greenhorn on February 04, 2019, 10:46:14 AM
Not my bag, but a lot of folks in my neighborhood head up on the weekends or during the week if they don't have any storm work to do. We are just a few hours south of 'the system'. Word on the street thru my associates in the NYSP is that yes, the major injury/death quota is pretty high this year. The normal Monday morning question at the coffee pot for the state level guys and dispatchers is "how many this weekend?". I think they have been averaging 2-3 each weekend for a while now. As I said, not my bag, I don't have that kind of spare change but do have plenty to keep me busy around home.
 You guys have fun and be safe.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 04, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
last couple years have been terrible for riding. many ppl never even registered sleds. They are making up for it this year and that is probably why the death toll is so high.

I used to ride with a couple ppl that were always out of control. I stopped riding with them. I really did not like wondering if I was going to make it home to see my family again.
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: beenthere on February 17, 2023, 08:24:08 PM
Ran across this video. Thought about @Crusarius (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=35059) and how he prolly has been there. Crazy rock climber vehicles. Something called the Hammer days?

What Happend? The World's Largest Off Road Wrecker Gets Towed! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMF2foSva7M)
Title: Re: Snowmobiling Upstate NY
Post by: Crusarius on February 18, 2023, 10:28:49 AM
been there, done that. I miss living out there. Maybe this year I will get the transmission back in my jeep and actually be able to enjoy driving it again. I bet the kids will love topless doorless jeep rides.