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Title: Wild hogs
Post by: pineywoods on December 14, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
The hills of north Louisiana have become heavily infested with ferral hogs. They have become mostly nocturnal ie sleep all day and forage at night in herds. Here's what my lawn looks like after one night of invasion. 


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/14000/hogs.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1544808642)
 
Legal to take them any time, any way, but they have become smart.
Baited traps worked for a while, but seldom work any more. Adding to the problem is the practice of deer hunters putting out corn for bait. Hogs love corn and they run in herds of 1 to 2 dozen and hit a different deer hunters bait each night. I put a baited cage type trap on the edge of my lawn, but the hogs haven't been back.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Raider Bill on December 14, 2018, 02:50:22 PM
DanG it that's a lot of damage for over night!

Time for some night vision mounted on a AR :rifle:
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 14, 2018, 02:52:22 PM
   Mom's handyman in N. Fla has a trap there on her place that he periodically baits, sets and catches a few. I think he just leaves it open with bait for several weeks then when ready he  sets it. 

   Last summer I was down there and ran into an old classmate and met her husband who says he catches 20-25 at a time using an elevated pen trap on their place. It is hooked to a wireless trail camera and switch and he can see how many and where they are under his trap. When ready he hits the remote, from his phone I think, and catches a bunch. He says the hogs don't seem to get alarmed at the pen above them and he catches big bunches again in the same spot. They never seem to get used to or alarmed by the elevated trap.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Southside on December 14, 2018, 03:46:22 PM
DanG it that's a lot of damage for over night!

Time for some night vision mounted on a AR :rifle:
5 gallon pail of Tannerite right over the corn pile.....Get 'em all with one shot.  
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: timberking on December 17, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
Was out  south of Abilene deer hunting last week and killed the first hog off of that ranch.  Rough prickly pear, mesquite, and thorns everywhere makes you wonder how they make it.  Was just a matter of time before they showed up.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Texas Ranger on December 17, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
Was out  south of Abilene deer hunting last week and killed the first hog off of that ranch.  Rough prickly pear, mesquite, and thorns everywhere makes you wonder how they make it.  Was just a matter of time before they showed up.
Heat is tough on hogs, they need mud and water to cool off in the heat of summer, I suspect that there wont be many out there, also suspect some body brought them in.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: charles mann on December 18, 2018, 10:39:31 PM
Run real rough curs on them. I used to run some peanut busting, ham chewing yellers and if i didnt get there asap, hind end would be torn up, but sitting down, waiting to hobbled. Ran some with some guys out of serepta, la. They had good dogs and not many hogs got away. 
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: timberking on December 19, 2018, 10:13:15 AM
Was out  south of Abilene deer hunting last week and killed the first hog off of that ranch.  Rough prickly pear, mesquite, and thorns everywhere makes you wonder how they make it.  Was just a matter of time before they showed up.
Heat is tough on hogs, they need mud and water to cool off in the heat of summer, I suspect that there wont be many out there, also suspect some body brought them in.
They had been around close by but there are a lot out there.  Ag fields in the area and tons of protein and corn being put out.  Small ponds or tanks there for the cattle.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Texas Ranger on December 19, 2018, 03:11:22 PM

Heat is tough on hogs, they need mud and water to cool off in the heat of summer, I suspect that there wont be many out there, also suspect some body brought them in.
They had been around close by but there are a lot out there.  Ag fields in the area and tons of protein and corn being put out.  Small ponds or tanks there for the cattle.
Well, they are adaptable devils, and once they adapt they are hard to get rid of.  We killed or trapped over 70 one year on 800 acres and did nothing to thin the crop.  Near Livingston.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: goose63 on December 20, 2018, 09:39:21 AM
You guys need some help shooting them hogs let me know me and my 45-70 will be happy to come down there  fudd-smiley fudd-smiley :rifle: :rifle:
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Texas Ranger on December 20, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
You guys need some help shooting them hogs let me know me and my 45-70 will be happy to come down there  fudd-smiley fudd-smiley :rifle: :rifle:
That thing wont shoot fast enough, at least an AR with 30 rounds, or a machine gun, should you be so lucky.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: goose63 on December 20, 2018, 03:29:49 PM
No it don't but makes a big hole Ido have a 308 and a 7mm Mag
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: starmac on February 13, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
They can sure play havoc in a hayfield in one night.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2019, 06:29:59 AM
Put a bounty on them People will make a living and no more hogs.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 26, 2019, 07:16:50 AM
went to a college visit yesterday.  Talked with a bio-chem professor who grew up on a farm.  they have developed a biological that will kill feral hogs.  the problem is it kills domestic stock hogs as well. :o
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on March 26, 2019, 08:39:16 AM
A few escaped from a local game farm about 15 yeas ago and multiplied to a few "families" in a couple of years.
We hunted them in winter by tracking as we didnt have any dogs.
I was the truck man following the chase.
Killed 23 one year and ate quite a lot, was OK. I tried to make bacon but the loins were too small.
USDA and our state agency started a trapping program in about 06 or so.
My friend poo pooed the idea saying they will never get rid of them.
Dont see any evidence of them here now.

Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Woodpecker52 on March 26, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
Just part of the south now kudzu, fire ants, moonshine, rattlers, and razorbacks.  One will cover you up in one night, one will get you jumping out of your britches, one will give you a good night sleep, one if you step on will make you the high jump champion, and the other will beat your team in football, and basketball and baseball etc. etc. . day or night  :D
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
went to a college visit yesterday.  Talked with a bio-chem professor who grew up on a farm.  they have developed a biological that will kill feral hogs.  the problem is it kills domestic stock hogs as well. :o


Killing like that is never the answer.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 26, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
I agree, just a comment on research i heard about.  i think enough people want to kill them the old fashioned way.  just like other domestic animals going feral, it can get out of control.  if they would become a vector for serious human disease might change the outlook.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Peter Drouin on March 26, 2019, 09:07:17 PM
That would make a difference.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 26, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
it was a casual visit with a biochem professor, and i had not heard of that before. I thought it was interesting but also doubt it will be practical or used.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Skip on March 27, 2019, 06:39:36 AM
Hope not, we got enough poison and biological agents out there . Scary there even is such a thing.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Texas Ranger on March 27, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
In Texas they have become so invasive that we kill them anyway we can, and have not hurt the population.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Southside on March 27, 2019, 11:38:12 AM
Biological warfare on our own soil.  What could possibly go wrong?  I wonder if your associate ever heard of the poor kid and his dog out in Idaho that got into the US govt planted cyanide bomb?  
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Woodpecker52 on March 27, 2019, 11:50:58 AM
Idiots wanted to spread MIREX coated seeds all across the south to kill fire ants.  Now that would have been a biological disaster.  That makes as much sense as turning corn pollen into insect killing machines.  Might this be the reason butterfly s are having such a hard time?
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 27, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
I will have to get more info.  again I am not promoting it, and he said it like a joke, "we are working on something to kill feral hogs, the only problem is it kills domestic hogs as well.  Many prev. un-curable cancers are now treated with biological agents, antibodies directed at a unique antigen on the cancer cells.  Feral hogs are genetically identical to domestic hogs, he said it only take 6 weeks in the wild to change the behaviors.  Everything we do has unforeseen unintended consequences for sure.  like the zombie apocalypse.  :o :)
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 27, 2019, 03:20:29 PM
So more info if i dare. ;D  this is a double stranded rna molecule that will bind to glucose receptors in pigs and induce type 2 diabetes and the pig would die in about 3 days.  in the wild, pigs eat other dead pigs and so on.  The rna gets mixed with feed and has to be ingested.  not otherwise communicable, not infectious like in a virus.  is genetically specific to pigs so does not (in theory) harm any other animals.  Would not harm livestock (hogs) unless they got out an roamed the countryside like a feral pig.  It has only been tested in insects and a piglet.  prob. will never be used unless overwhelming health risk from pigs.  it does not effect humans and degrades in the field after a week. not unlike imuno-therapy and the measles, some times the pendulum swings back and forth.  all just for your information.  Pigs are smart animals, and that is why they are hard to eradicate.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: AZ_builder on March 27, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
Heres a dilemma, the hogs tear up land and destroy farms/homes. However, people found out that they can charge money to let you hunt them. If there was more free places to kill pigs I think a lot more would be gone.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Southside on March 27, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
I understand where you are coming from Doc, respectfully however we have been told that DDT is harmless, Anna Nicole married for love and the poor guys who had to stand under an A-bomb blast and photograph it would all be fine.. just saying. 
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 27, 2019, 04:29:12 PM
i gotcha, i just thought it was interesting.  The research may go on to solve problems other than hogs.  Best Regards to all!
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: charles mann on March 28, 2019, 01:52:10 AM
2 yrs ago, the genius tx ag commissioner sid miller, pushed for a drug called kaput,  which is a warfarin (blood thinning drug) based bait. claims were "its safe and non toxic to other animals", yet the directions and warning were, use protective gloves and clothing when handling bait or dead animals that have come in contact with the bait, double bag the carcass when transporting, prevent animals from drinking contaminated water source that dead carcasses were located, do burry near water sources, and so on and so on. problem with the drug/bait is, that other animals, scavenger animals to be specific, like coons, yotes, buzzards, crows, possums, and well, yaw know the scavenger animals, that ingest the drugged carcasses can be poisoned by the drug and die form it, continuing the cycle. my business partner and i did an interview with a san antonio news station about the bait and other methods of reducing the population, and we even took the helicopter out to show the effectiveness of aerial eradication. unfortunately, a weather front was moving in and the hogs were bedded down and we only got 20 that afternoon. a few weeks ago we did a hunt near mason, tx and avg 3 hogs (piglets included) a min the first 2hr cycle, well, 1 hr 20 min taking away the 20 min 1 way trip tp the hunting site. the afternoon cycle was near as good, avg of 1 hogs a min. the shotguns were so dirty by the end of the first cycle, we had to pull them down, and instead of going to lunch with the clients, we spent 2 hrs cleaning the 4 weapons, then had a samich and back in the air. 

but as az_builder said, people, including my business partner have found a way to make a profit from the over population, it potentially can have a negative effect on controlling the population. 

now, our aerial control program only charges those who want to shoot from the air, but the land owners don't charge us a penny. they just want the hogs gone. another negative effect are these tv shows, like the hog hunting show, american hogger. knowing and hunting with 3 of the 4 guys from 1 team, they didn't act anywhere near the way the production guy portrayed them, and from what i was told by some who knew the other team, again, not the way they are in real life. but that show didn't do the doggers any favors and portrayed doggers as fools and idiots.

 then you have those that ran dogs, that didn't care about land owners rights, or even trespassing, hurt the sport even greater. a few bad apples spoiled it for the rest. i gave up on dogging 4 yrs ago, mostly bc local hunters would cut fences, let cattle onto the roads, or neighboring property and killed chances of gaining new lands, and eventually permission was revoked on lands i was able to hunt, even though some of the lands, nothing negative ever happened, but the owner didn't want to take a chance, especially when multiple individuals/group were able able to hunt them. 

i think ill stick to death from above. closest ill get to my iraq war days ever again.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: AZ_builder on March 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
Id like to be able to kill a few a year just for meat in the freezer but I would LOVE!! to eradicate from a helicopter!
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: pineywoods on March 28, 2019, 09:22:28 AM
Nobody talks about it, but there is a real health danger. Hogs are highly susceptible to cholera, if it ever gets started it will spread like wildfire.
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: doc henderson on March 28, 2019, 10:29:02 AM
Yes the warfarin bait is the same as rat poison,  If you wonder why the chunks are a blue green color, it is because it will dye the mouth of a toddler who may have ingested some. so we can monitor and give Vit. K if needed and not treat those who's mom are worried about it and did not consume any.  that was the interesting part with this research is it found a way to limit the effects to hogs.  (as far as they know)  again, i am not promoting this, found it interesting, just reporting. ;)
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: charles mann on March 28, 2019, 02:27:24 PM
Id like to be able to kill a few a year just for meat in the freezer but I would LOVE!! to eradicate from a helicopter!
@AZ_builder (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=44124) try Helihoghunt.com
Title: Re: Wild hogs
Post by: Texas Ranger on March 28, 2019, 10:19:42 PM
Texas is Losing The War on Feral Hogs (https://www.wideopenspaces.com/texas-losing-war-feral-hogs/?utm_campaign=inline&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2ALKG1E8gkT6hyX6-AeSj_YfmxvyN4kWTiI1_70q9oak6JdW6LY7Ncp6E)