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Title: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Bthomasb3 on March 04, 2019, 08:41:26 PM
So guys lets talk about felling wedges.first what brand do you like ,what lasts the longest lifts the best ect.I am asking because i dont have enough experience with them to have a opinion.i have 5.5, 7.5 and 8 inch. Stihl and forester. I was cuting a 18 inch tree with a lot of back lean and just about destroyed my wedges so i though i would see what you all like before i buy more. I found some hardhead wedges at sheldon hill forestry that have a machined cap with a tang thats runs into the wedge, anyone using these? Thanks
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Old Greenhorn on March 04, 2019, 09:02:36 PM
Where are you located? If you shop at Sheldon Hill, you must be pretty local to me. I had the smaller wedges and now find them useless except for oddball stuff like when I get a bar pinched, or using them to hold slabs apart when milling. For felling, I only use 10 inch long and up. Life is too short for small tools  ;D ;D ;D. Seriously, wedges are 'disposable tools'. They don't last forever, they are made so you can hit them with a saw and not hurt the saw. Mine get occasional nicks and I beat the heck out of them when needed so the heads swell pretty good, especially when I am tired and my aim sucks. I keep 3 ten inchers in my pouch and 1 or 2 short ones for those oddball things. Check out Baileys, they have a great selection with decent prices. I am sure there are other suppliers out there. Next time I order, I will try some of those hard headed ones to see how those work. I am not a pro, just a hacker. Your mileage will very.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Riwaka on March 04, 2019, 09:03:03 PM
In plastic - prefer oregon wedges
If you are destroying wedges usually might be pushing/ pulling the tree with a machine before then. Or taken branches off the tree to lighten/ rebalance the tree if skilled to do so. 

Koller mechanical wedges, hydraulic tree jacks  and aluminium wedges have their place. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Bthomasb3 on March 04, 2019, 09:23:25 PM
Im grom pa. I was looking online at sheldon hill for wedges.I know they are disposable but i pretty much ruined them on that one tree. If i would have let it fall the way it wanted it would have been no point in cutting it because it would have been in a deep gully and nobody wanted to go in there to carry it out. Im just a firewood cutter mostly, for 30 plus years, i do take down some problem trees for people on occasion but i dont have access to and machines and forgot my come a long that day. I enjoy cutting big trees but im smart enough to leave some alone. I think im going to get some of those hard heads and some husqavarna or redhead wedges, unless someone tells me why i should get something else.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Old Greenhorn on March 04, 2019, 09:33:53 PM
If you're in PA I am surprised you are not shopping at Stahls, but the prices seem all comparable within a buck or two. Yeah, I'd like to try those out next time around. Sheldon Hill is local to me, but I am a little mad at them, they were just up the road, but they moved two towns over so now I have to drive a 40 minutes to get there and they are only open till noon on Saturday. It's probably a good thing, because every time I would stop in to pick up some little doo-dad I would always walk out having spent a hundred bucks or more.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: BargeMonkey on March 04, 2019, 09:52:58 PM
 Stahls prices especially on saws cant be beat, I will meet up with Adam for some 572s when he comes up again. 
 I like the red /whites, even the foresters work. Again they dont live forever. I carry 2 longer wedges but have one of the 5.5s in my back pocket, sometimes that's all you need. 
 I tried the metal capped hard head ones, eh its alot of money, they dont live that long and god forbit you hit it with the saw 😂 Consumable items like that are best bought at the show, Booneville is great for that 1x a yr type of thing. 

 Buy a Estwing ax and see how long it lasts in the woods. After the 2nd one in a short time I called them up, "they aren't meant to be used that hard".... was what I got on the phone. 👎never again. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Skeans1 on March 04, 2019, 09:59:57 PM
Look up Madsens they are a pro shop out here on the west coast, they have a catalog online great guys to deal with and very reasonable. Myself I carry a 15Ē, 2 12Ē orange single lifts, 4 10Ē single lifts or 3 10Ē double lifts depending on the day and whatís coming that day. These will last about a month if Iím cutting everyday depending on which beating iron Iím using if itís the 4 pound axe itís about a month if itís the 10 pound custom axe they might go 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Old Greenhorn on March 04, 2019, 10:03:11 PM
Buy a Estwing ax and see how long it lasts in the woods. After the 2nd one in a short time I called them up, "they aren't meant to be used that hard".... was what I got on the phone. 👎never again.
AH, THAT IS rich! In other words "We never expected you would actually HIT something with it!" Actually, it's surprising and Estwing wouldn't hold up, they make good stuff. Tat they didn't stand behind it is even more surprising.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: barbender on March 04, 2019, 10:43:23 PM
The last few Oregon wedges I bought were still yellow, but a much more brittle plastic. Broke one in half, wasn't very impressed👎
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: mills on March 05, 2019, 04:59:55 AM
I do a lot of directional falling in big hardwoods. Diesel power is by far the quickest, most reliable means of controlling a contrary tree. But most of the time I'm by myself, or can't get the skidder in position to push or pull. So, for speed I pack a four lb. hammer with wedges that have the hard head ends. These are the only wedges that will hold up for me. I think they run $8 or $9 each. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: thecfarm on March 05, 2019, 06:13:56 AM
Bthomasb3,welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Bthomasb3 on March 05, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
Bthomasb3,welcome to the forum.
Thanks. I like it buts its taking me time to learn my way around. Im a little slow at times lol
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: upnut on March 05, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
My favorites are the ones I find at yard sales when some poor guys wife (or ex) is cleaning out the garage, usually for less than a buck... ;)...Scott B.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: leeroyjd on March 05, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
K&H wedges hold up very well. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Plankton on March 05, 2019, 04:57:14 PM
K&H wedges hold up very well.

Second that, that's all I use now drive and lift good and are hard to break. I like the "triple taper" 8s or 10s
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Grandpa on March 06, 2019, 07:22:05 AM
Another vote for K&H. I use 8" and 10".
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: VT_Forestry on March 06, 2019, 08:00:20 AM
K&H RedHeads are all we buy, work great and very tough
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: 78NHTFY on March 06, 2019, 09:30:35 AM
...just wondering, anyone build their own?  1" thick x 10" x 3" maple/ash/any good hardwood board off cut; to the bandsaw and slice at diagonal gives two nice wedges; some old spray paint for color, and voila!  Maybe 1/2 hours' work and you've got 10 good wood wedges.  Full disclosure: haven't done it (yet) ;D, but it sounds like a good idea, especially since I'm down to my two last chewed up wedges....and I'm a pretty cheap Yankee.  All the best, Rob.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: leeroyjd on March 06, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
I make them from time to time and they are ok, but don't drive as well as plastic.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Ed_K on March 06, 2019, 01:25:18 PM
 I buy cheap wedges from Bailey's 7.5 an 12 green ones. I have made wooden ones when I ran out of plastic but they only last for one or two trees :o .
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: lxskllr on March 06, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
...just wondering, anyone build their own?  1" thick x 10" x 3" maple/ash/any good hardwood board off cut; to the bandsaw and slice at diagonal gives two nice wedges; some old spray paint for color, and voila!  Maybe 1/2 hours' work and you've got 10 good wood wedges.  Full disclosure: haven't done it (yet) ;D, but it sounds like a good idea, especially since I'm down to my two last chewed up wedges....and I'm a pretty cheap Yankee.  All the best, Rob.
I don't use them enough to worry about it too much, but if I were doing this professionally, I'd look into making my own out of /something/. It just irritates me to pay so much for a chunk of plastic. Of the wedges I've used(Oregon, Husqvarna, some US made brand I can't remember, and Stihl), I like the Stihl wedges best. They seem to be a smidge softer than the others, and don't fracture as readily.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: labradorguy on March 06, 2019, 06:08:59 PM
I like the wedges that stay in my back pocket all day.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Satamax on March 06, 2019, 07:39:59 PM
Duh, am i the only one to think that for feeling, homemade wooden wedges can do the job quite well? 

Ok, i'm absolutely no expert. But, instead of plastic, you can have a dozen of oak, or whatever wedges, for a certain job. And you can always botch one up with the chainsaw, if you run out. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: maple flats on March 07, 2019, 09:24:58 AM
I use Madsen's Blue Ox single lift 12" wedges. I buy them 12 or 24 at a time. They run something like $7 each by the dozen if I remember correctly. I find that shorter wedges are too steep a taper and like to kick back out, I don't get that with the 12" ones. I last bought 4 dozen about 2006 or 7, I still have about 28 or so left, a couple have saw hits on them, but even then most are usable.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: coalsmok on March 07, 2019, 08:47:25 PM
I have a couple stihl plastic wedges. My normal usage is a small limb or tree cut into a wedge with a chainsaw, usually because I left my plastic ones at the truck.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Wyologging on March 07, 2019, 09:27:14 PM
I order from Madsens in Washington. I prefer K&H. I prefer the 8, 10, and 12 inchers. The madsens brand wedges also have good lift and taper. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: OutPost on March 08, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
I've had good luck with Timber Savage toothed wedges. Subzero they haven't shattered & stay put. I fall limb & top, then block out & hand split right where the trees hit so my Fiskars splitting axe is always handy for driving.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: thecfarm on March 09, 2019, 12:20:06 PM
Outpost,welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: clww on March 09, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
Iíve got at least a dozen that I bought at Northern more than a decade ago. I donít get to use them much anymore, but theyíre worth what I paid I think.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Frickman on March 11, 2019, 04:37:00 PM
I usually used whatever the local saw shop had in stock.  I really liked the red head wedges and an all red one,  I forget the brand name of it.  The orange ones were always too soft.  The all red ones are kind of brittle, the like to break in the middle if you don't hit them square.  I kept a couple of old fashioned iron/steel wedges on the skidder too.  The kind you use for splitting firewood.  Those I would sometimes use on large diameter trees when I needed extra lift and didn't want to stack plastic ones.  
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: rjwoelk on March 11, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
Felling wedges are around $6+ for 5 inch  $12 for 8 inch. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Stephen Alford on March 12, 2019, 07:32:00 AM
   These are the wedges in the tool box on the tractor.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/IMG_20180327_132211.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1522860912)
 

I try to spend a couple hours touching up the saws etc every Friday.  That includes touching up the wedges with a grinder. Makes a difference.  The splitting wedge,third down gives 2" of lift. The 2 lb head I put on the fiberglass handle works great. Saves my "good" axe  ;)  This is the odd ball ...tend to use it at the landing when need be.

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12754/h56.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1406595998)
 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Lyndaker on March 14, 2019, 07:50:48 PM
I definitely prefer plastic but haven't put much science into it. It also depends on tree size what wedges work best. I am mostly cutting smaller soft wood which means a long wedge doesn't have enough room and gets cut by the saw. I find toothed wedges help to prevent kick out when using the smaller sizes or pounding 2 in simultaneously  so neither has lots of pressure. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: teakwood on March 31, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
Are there small wedges (5.5") out there with less taper? i couldn't find nothing. i have 5.5" one inch lift wedges and sometimes they won't bite and fly out of the cut when hit. i work on smaller but heavy and dense trees.

or does a 8" less lift wedge exist?
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: ehp on March 31, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
I have been using the ones that are red and white . I break a lot of wedges and if its cold out I break just about everything else . I seem to break a lot of axe handles as well . Never from a miss hit they just donot like how hard I swing the axe I guess
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Jwswan on April 01, 2019, 09:20:10 AM
Another vote for the redheads.  They also stack far better than any others I've used. 
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Riwaka on April 01, 2019, 04:48:32 PM
High molecular weight plastic wedges.  (8 and 10 inch lengths)

https://forest-tek.com/wedgetek/
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Silverfoxfintry on April 14, 2019, 03:48:32 AM
I make up my own from Oak Barrel Staves.  As hard as Nails and cost me only Time. When I think about it, they are probably American Oak. We reuse Burbon Barrels to mature Whiskey.
Title: Re: Felling wedges. Which brand is best
Post by: Skeans1 on March 26, 2020, 03:11:35 PM
Something different for someone to try out https://bast-ing.de/en/produkt/valfast-the-spindle-wedge/ (https://bast-ing.de/en/produkt/valfast-the-spindle-wedge/)