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Post by: tgabby1968 on September 15, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Hello FF members- I'm a new member and I'm looking for advice for buying a portable band mill. I plan to use it to produce my own material for building a shop and to have it as a hobby plus an alternative income when I retire in a few years. I know I want a full hydraulic unit for log loading and handling, because I want it to be mobile. Just having a hard time deciding between Timberking or Woodmizer. I've been looking at the TK1600 vs LT40hyd (wide) and the TK2000 vs LT40super(wide) or LT50 (wide).  One thing I'm always concerned about is buyers remorse, not about buying a sawmill but wish I'd bought the other model, brand, size, gas or diesel. I live in Washington state and plan to move to Idaho or Montana when I retire so I'm leaning towards the larger capacity to cut bigger logs. I know from the post I've read through there's alot of brand loyalty, but would appreciate some honest feed back from you?
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Post by: sawguy21 on September 15, 2019, 09:59:41 PM
Welcome aboard! There is a wealth of information here so grab a coffee and pull up a stump.
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Post by: Southside on September 15, 2019, 10:02:48 PM
Welcome to the Forum.  The best thing I can think of is to tell you to visit sawyers who have those mills or something pretty dang close, like a non wide. That will give you first hand experience on how they operate, the good, the bad, and the ugly. 

I deal with both companies and they are excellent in terms of customer service. Each design has it's plusses and minuses, in the end it's what machine will work best for your set up. 
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 15, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
  I can only speak to WM brand but the whole team have been very supportive of my laymen's needs and very patient helping me when I had questions or concerns.  I like the every other year service loop where they stop by and do a complete check up and alignment and related training to me. Their parts are high quality and reasonably priced. They don't use unique parts then gouge you on their parts prices. They are very prompt with their shipping. I used their blades and resharp services and am well pleased with that too. I certainly have no buyer's remorse. I'd love to have a bigger mill with more hp but what I got was what I could afford and it has done all and more I expected of it. 
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Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
indeed, as Sawguy said, pull up a stump and we'll help you spend your money. ;D
 Seriously though. You've done a good job of roughing out what you want to do and 'where you sit'. I think as this point it come down to the particulars. Hopefully you have read some of the other 'what mill should I pick' threads, there are many. 
 Seems to me like an LT50 is a big big and luxurious for a hobby mill after your shop is built, but to each his own. I am guessing you have other plans in the back of your mind like portable milling or something else perhaps?
 The devil is in the details.. always. You told us what you are thinking over, now maybe tell us what your dream is.
 Either way, it is gonna be a fun ride! 
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Post by: Southside on September 15, 2019, 10:31:36 PM
Should have added that no matter what mill you buy torque is king, and if you plan to be sawing big logs then a diesel really should be a "must have".  Friday I stalled my 55hp turbo diesel in a big, dry, hickory log.  Folks all turned around and looked wondering what "that noise was".  Basically I was sawing too fast, but I was still getting flat lumber as the torque kept the blade speed up until it was simply too much.  With a gas engine I would have known well before then that I was sawing too fast as I would have been bogging the engine.  Also the 55 hp diesel on my Super 70 uses about 1/2 the fuel as the 25 hp gas does on my 35 on a per hour basis, even though lumber output is much higher on the 70.     
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Post by: tgabby1968 on September 15, 2019, 10:43:29 PM
Thank you guys for the quick replies.

Old Greenhorn- The biggest baddest mill, with unlimited logs at my disposal and enough off bearers to handle all the lumber.

Southside- I'm meeting a guy with a TK2000 this week. I went to a Timberking meet and greet down in Oakland, Oregon a couple weeks ago. They had a 1600 and a 2200 but was disappointed that I couldn't run one. The 2200 was impressive though. I do plan to contact the WM dealer to find some locals with these mills so I can check them out.

Sawguy21- got lots of stumps, working on burning them up:)
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Post by: tgabby1968 on September 15, 2019, 10:50:53 PM
Southside- I agree diesel is the way to go, but with the new tier 4 the cost increase is big $$$, and I'm not sure if you have to use DEF or if they have a particulate filter now. The WMLT40 uses a yanmar 35hp and the TK2000 only uses a 24.8 Kubota, not sure why theres such a HP difference?
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Post by: Southside on September 15, 2019, 11:14:44 PM
No DEF on the tier 4 Yanmars, I bought the last tier 3 as I am not a fan of that at all.  Don't forget about the used market, some pretty low hour mills come up when guys realize this becomes more like work than play.  As far as a meet and greet that is a great way to see a new mill, cutting straight logs, in a non stress environment, sort of a real life promotional video, but the rubber hits the road where a guy has to make $$ running his mill.  Not putting down those type of events as they showcase the best of what a piece of equipment has to offer.  I just think if you are going to make that kind of investment you should understand the whole game.  At the end of the day it's not just the mill, it's the support equipment, the log handling, lumber storage, down stream processing, labor to handle all of that lumber,  buildings to put it all in etc.  That's why I say you need to look at what will work best in your situation and plan for or be open to changes / growth as it happens.  
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Post by: Chuck White on September 16, 2019, 06:50:02 AM
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, tgabby1968!
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Post by: Resonator on September 16, 2019, 07:21:32 AM
Welcome to the Forum! I wouldn't worry so much about buyers remorse, sawmills generally hold their value and you can sell it and trade up if you need more power. They also have the potential to pay for themselves over time, however it involves lots of sawdust and heavy lifting.  ;D
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Post by: thecfarm on September 16, 2019, 07:36:57 AM
@tgabby1968 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=46757)  welcome to the forum.
Welcome to the forum.
You will be happy with either one.
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Post by: Nebraska on September 16, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
Welcome to the forum.
It's the saw dust and heavy lifting that is the work..Opening up the logs is fun like Gump's box of chocolate. My mill is a manual hobby mill only, (therapy from the day job.) but  it has generated many additional side projects, like clearing out an old cattle loafing shed to it s cement floor. It had 15 year old grass hay small square bales on one end and petrified cow manure, and other farm treasures at the other end. I need an out of the weather place to store good stuff. Yes. it surprised me a little bit about some of the smaller  t.hings I  didnt realize or  hadn't though of,  the volume of stickers was one,  five gallon buckets full don't go very far, sawdust disposal and general mill cleanup is another. If I didn't heat with wood it would be a bigger issue .   Saw dust goes down to the pile I compost yard wastes and animal bedding then into the manure spreader,  slabes are heat..
Good luck I hope you get the biggest baddest mill you can,  that will turn big trees into tables or toothpicks. My vote would be diesel as well. 
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Post by: thecfarm on September 16, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
I almost forgot,you will need to decide on what size cant dog/peavey to get.  :)

http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=107690.0 (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=107690.0)
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Post by: tgabby1968 on September 16, 2019, 10:09:56 PM
Thanks to all for the warm welcome and great advice. Most definitely will need a good peavey, would believe a 60" to work better. I also have an excavator with a thumb that can assist when cutting on my own property. I'm thinking that having a portable mill to do most of my cutting for money at their site, so to bring other machinery there to help with log handling would only be justifiable if they had a lot of timber to cut.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on October 20, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
Good news, just bought a Woodmizer LT50 wide with a diesel, get to pick it up on Halloween and go through training.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 20, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
   Congratulations. Send pictures, even of mistakes made so we can skip down memory lane with you. You will like that mill and dealing with the WM team.
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Post by: A-z farmer on October 20, 2019, 08:22:06 PM
Congratulations on the lt 50 purchase.It is a wonderful journey from log to lumber .
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Post by: Nebraska on October 20, 2019, 09:10:39 PM
Don't forget the pictures. Congrats on the putchase.
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Post by: Brad_bb on October 20, 2019, 11:35:28 PM
I have a portable manual mill -Woodmizer LT15go.  I like the portability for when I have to move it (which is about 2-3 time a year).  I personally would not want to do mobile mill jobs.  It's a lot of work to move my mill and all my gear.  A hydraulic mill could be easier with hyd or electric leveling legs.  I'd rather just keep my mill parked at home in my mill shop ( I mill inside).  One real downside to milling outside is wind blowing dust in your face.  That is miserable.  Wind can shift.  I'm sure some guys have worked out a face shield system.  For me, moving the mill is a pain.  The other good part is that the axle/frame raise the mill up higher which I like.  Brings the work up to a better level.
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Post by: East ky logging on October 21, 2019, 03:54:33 AM
Congratulations on the new woodmizer. 
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Post by: Dakota on October 21, 2019, 10:36:46 AM
I'm excited for you, and I'm a Lucas Mill guy.
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Post by: boonesyard on October 21, 2019, 10:47:13 AM
Welcome to the forum.

I went through the same consternation just over a year ago and landed on the same mill. You'll like it, A LOT. 

Congrats on the purchase and enjoy. 
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Post by: Brad_bb on October 21, 2019, 04:57:43 PM
Congratulations and welcome to the forum and the sawdust addiction.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on October 23, 2019, 01:27:05 AM
Thanks guy's, I'll be sure to post some pics after I pick it up on Halloween. Can't wait to get it home and get a log on it. Look forward to getting some good advice from you seasoned millers.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 01, 2019, 10:03:02 PM
Finally got the mill home yesterday, it was about 15hours yesterday, with the drive and training, so only sawing yesterday was a pine log at Oregon Woodmizer. Couldn't wait to get it set up this morning. I started with a cotton wood log. Our cat had to inspect  it before I could start cutting. So ended up sawing up 4 of my crappy logs (2 cotton wood an 2 birch)to get some practice in. One thing for sure is I got a lot to learn. Started to get the hang of the controls and flipping the cants. I had several mistakes, made some cuts with no tension on the blade, pretty wavy. Rolled a gnarly cottonwood off the back. Sure was fun though.
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Post by: jeepcj779 on November 01, 2019, 10:30:19 PM
Make sure you get all those rookie mistakes out of the way as soon as possible! I put a deposit on the same mill earlier this month. I won't be picking mine up until next summer though. I'm stuck in Hawaii until I retire. I'm interested to see how things go for you with the LT50. Good luck, and have fun.
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Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 01, 2019, 10:48:29 PM
   Congrats on the new mill and don't worry about the minor mistakes. Did you ever choke the car down because you let the clutch out to fast when you were learning to drive (Or am I dating myself here)? As long as nobody is hurt and no major damage and you learned something there was value added. Keep us posted.
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Post by: YellowHammer on November 01, 2019, 11:51:05 PM
As they say, the only real mistakes are the ones that cut or break something.  Those are the “Oh No” moments.  Everything else is just a “Oh well” moment, and they just happen.

If you buy small spray can of orange paint, you can quickly hide the places where you saw into the mill and shine up the metal. That way people won’t ask “what happened there?”
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Post by: Southside on November 01, 2019, 11:57:24 PM
If you buy small spray can of orange paint, you can quickly hide the places where you saw into the mill and shine up the metal.


Not if you whack the stainless steel on the manual, extra, backstops....>:(
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 02, 2019, 08:38:09 AM
No one hurt and no scratches to paint luckily.👍I can't figure out how to post pictures, I'll keep looking to see how
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Post by: doc henderson on November 02, 2019, 08:48:49 AM
I am not the best, but I got the forum on my phone since I take most pics with it.  then pull up the forum and log in.  go to full site, then menu, gallery, then upload pic.  you have to select a folder to put them in, then choose all photos ect.  then select the pics you want.  I have good luck up to 4 to 6 photos at a time.  more than that sometimes my phone gets overwhelmed. then they will be in your folder, and during a post you can click add photo to post, choose pic and say ok.  you will have to close that pic to see you post again.  they are several ways around it, but this is how I have ended up doing it.  look forward to some pics and welcome to the forum.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 02, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
Thanks doc. I was able to get pics in my album ok, but when I click on add attachment it only allows skp, xlsx, text,  doc, pdf, xls, html, etc.
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Post by: doc henderson on November 02, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
well lets get you some help . @Jeff (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1)  .I know not all formats are supported, such as video has to be linked to a you tube account.  I have not mastered that.  It works well once you get a system going.  I used to worry about taking up too much space if I reused a pic in a post, but I guess you are just linking to the pic in the gallery, so it does not waste space.  there seems to be a reason for everything, and I think Jeff will be able to explain it for you.  good luck.
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Post by: samandothers on November 02, 2019, 09:44:21 AM
Congrats on the new mill!  I like the way Yellowhammer put it!

As they say, the only real mistakes are the ones that cut or break something.  Those are the “Oh No” moments.  Everything else is just a “Oh well” moment, and they just happen.
:D

Be careful and enjoy!

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Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2019, 10:08:12 AM
Updated Photo Posting Tutorial in Technical Support Topics (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?board=93.0)
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 02, 2019, 10:29:12 AM
Thanks Jeff, for some reason on my phone it doesn't have the blue photo bar, only has add attachment bar
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Post by: Jeff on November 02, 2019, 10:32:13 AM
Not sure how that is possible. So cant help from there.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 02, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
 
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56757/20191101_114635.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1572697609)
 
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 02, 2019, 10:55:36 AM
Pic of mill sawing my 1st log at Oregon Wood-Mizer during training
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56757/20191031_111237.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1572697714)
 
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Post by: Magicman on November 02, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
I never realized that your power source was a Cat.  :o
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Post by: jeepcj779 on November 02, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
Over on the "Questions" thread I started when looking for a mill, you mentioned you got a used mill at a good price. From the pictures, it looks brand new. Congratulations on an excellent find.
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 06, 2019, 02:24:58 AM
Magic Man-It is a Yanmar 47hp diesel. I was originally going to buy a new saw and wanted a diesel but I really didn't want a tier4. When I was at the Woodmizer open house in Oregon, I saw this mill sitting in the back and noticed it was a diesel and wasn't a tier4. So I started asking about it and ended up buying it that day.

CJ- it's a 2017, it does have a few oops marks on it but nothing too bad.
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Post by: Magicman on November 06, 2019, 07:51:46 AM
I never realized that your power source was a Cat.  :o

"Magic Man-It is a Yanmar 47hp diesel."
I was referring to the Cat on top of the log in the first picture.  :D
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Post by: doc henderson on November 06, 2019, 09:06:54 AM
looks like a tier 5 cat! :)
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Post by: tgabby1968 on November 06, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Oh yeah that cat, she had to inspect the log. :D