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Title: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
Hello everyone!  I'm new to the forum.  I was hoping to get some advise and help on this used mill I'm looking at.  current owner claims it has around 40 hours on it.  only used to build a shed and then lost interest.  it has been sitting outside for 7 years since new.  only thing covered is the engine.  they are asking for 5,000 dollars for it with power feed option and bed extension. no trailer package.   what concerns should I have on this mill since its been sitting for years?  is it worth the money or should I stay away?  I am scheduled to go look at it tomorrow morning.

thank you for your help!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: WV Sawmiller on February 04, 2020, 03:08:12 PM
   I'd want to see it run and cut a log or two.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on February 04, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
see if the metal is free or froze up at joints.  WM had a service that will go through a mill and fix and or point out problems if you want.  i am not a WM guy, but hear only good things.  if it were me, i would contact WM for a quote for the same mill new with the same bells and whistles.  it has low hours, and may be fine despite being in the weather, if well lubricated.  see what savings you are getting.  see in person if it looks new or if the use has been "underestimated".  the hours may be correct, but different styles of use, can wear differently.  i can have a drill for years, my brother can ruin one in about an hour.  :)
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
new price on the LT15 with extension and power feed is around 9,500 plus shipping and tax. thats what is drawing me to this tomorrow.  I really want new but would have to go to a woodland mills or frontier to keep the price the same as this used woodmizer.  what I like about woodmizer is the much heavier frame system and it sounds like resale is a lot better on them.  just nervous of pullys and bearings being in poor shape along with belts.

according to the seller this unit has an 18 HP electric start motor which is bigger than I can get on a new woodland mills or frontier.  they only go up to 14hp.

Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: randy d on February 04, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
Woodmizer has a sale going on right now the lt15 is 7,595 brand new and ready to go.  hope this helps you decide . Randy
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 04, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
I imagine if the engine will run fine, then youíre set.  Even if you have to replace the belts, thatís easy and fairly cheap.  Many mills live their entire life with just the head covered.  If what you want is an LT15 with extension and power feed, then I think itís a great deal.  If you donít need extension and power feed, then you might consider new instead.  Sometimes I think about getting an extension for my LT15, but then i think about moving really long logs and havenít gotten the extension yet.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
I think the power feed will be nice. especially if I can stack the previous board while the mill is cutting through the next piece. the track extension will be great for a couple of headers needed for the building I will make for the mill.  it will allow me to drive in with my loader with a 17 or 18' log without fighting the opening of the building.

I could live without the extension though.  but just the power feed is 1195 plus the 7595 for mill then tax and shipping and your still at near 10k
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on February 04, 2020, 05:06:35 PM
I do not see that you have mentioned the asking price and you do not need to.  just make sure the fact that the "new" is worn off is taken into account.  My mill is outside, but i use it on a regular basis. and keep it lubed and limber.  so i know what i have.  if it has set for 5 years unused, it may have issues with bearings, or pins.  you will bet an idea tom.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: RichTired on February 04, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
As previously mentioned, the LT15 is on sale right now at Woodmizer.  Currently the LT15 with power feed is listed at $8790.00 plus tax and shipping.

If the power feed works and the engine runs and you can successfully cut a few logs this might be a pretty good deal.

But good luck in your sawmill adventures...
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Woodpecker52 on February 04, 2020, 05:27:56 PM
Sounds like a good deal to me, It will not be for sale long at this price.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: 47sawdust on February 04, 2020, 05:29:20 PM
You will have a much better sense of the mill once you've seen it.Sweat equity is worth a lot.My first mill required a lot of tlc but in the end it cut great lumber.You will have a tremendous advantage in knowing help and parts are only a phone call away. WM support is top notch.Take cash and see what you can come with.
Good luck and welcome.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 05:50:37 PM
seller wants 5,000 dollars.  when we first spoke sunday he said bring cash and we will talk...  then of course someone called him today and wants to buy it.  so then he calls me and said he will at least hold it for me to see tomorrow but is now wanting 5,000 firm. 

I think the biggest concerns are the bearings if they have just sat for a few years.  he did call me today and said he fired it up. he will be ready to show me how the mill works tomorrow morning and cut a little timber to demonstrate as well.

hopefully everything is good.  if not, I messaged the gentleman that is selling a 3 year old LT15 never even unboxed on hear already.  I am hoping to hear back from him tonight...  its the same distance to either mill.  the one for sale on this site that hasnt been even unboxed would be awesome, but not for the same price as ordered new with warranty.  he wants 8600.

Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: APope on February 04, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
Welcome to the forum!
I really like my Frontier OS31, but I was on a budget as I only cut for myself. I would like to have more power than the 13.5 I have, but it is capable of meeting my requirements. I did purchase an extension. If I continue to mill, I can see where hydraulics are necessary...
I would want to put eyes on the mill in question and cut with it before purchase..
You are going to have to replace wear parts such as bearings no matter the brand. Maintenance is a fact of life. So is knowledge of set up and calibration.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 06:03:58 PM
if this woodmizer doesnt work out and the one for sale on this forum I have narrowed it down to a new frontier OS31 or the woodland mills 130max with trailer package and extension.

how do you like your frontier?
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Old Greenhorn on February 04, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
Durf, if that used LT15 does not work out (and it is a pretty good price and worth putting a few bucks into) I think that new one will also be a great deal for you. It has been here a while and I am really surprised it hasn't sold. If I had the money, and believe me, I thought about it. hen I have a place that really needs a mill and it would be perfect for them but they are a company and it is not in this years budget....yet. That mill has just the options I would order too, but I have to focus on handling equipment first.
 Whichever way you go, you should come out just fine. Good luck to you.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: A-z farmer on February 04, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
Welcome to the forestry forum Durf700
Good luck with your purchase and your sawdust journey.I see you are from the home of Remington very nice company and area.
Zeke
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 06:37:00 PM
thanks guys for the imput so far.  ya, remington arms is 5 minutes away. alot of family members worked they're entire careers there. some still do.  I just purchased 54 acres of nice woods. 1/2 hardwoods which I am selectively logging and the other half is hemlock.  this is what led me to the sawmill.  the loggers dont want to pay you hardly anything for it around here due to the closest mill to process it.  so unless you sell to people that want the logs for milling its of no value.  I figure I  have a chance to really do well with milling my own hemlock and building some outbuildings for myself, and then I can also sell some to recover the expense of the mill maybe.

i'm exited..  just want to get something that will be reliable.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: APope on February 04, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
if this woodmizer doesnt work out and the one for sale on this forum I have narrowed it down to a new frontier OS31 or the woodland mills 130max with trailer package and extension.

how do you like your frontier?
I have plans to build a bit and a use for my wood... I would buy it again. I had the cash money and it fits well with my plans. I have 50 acres of mature mixed trees that the local loggers don't want to pay squat for and the means to selectively harvest. I would rather have the Frontier sawmill and a PTO driven logging winch for my tractor than the more expensive sawmill at this time. Retirement is 10 years out and I work a job... we heat with wood so little goes to waste.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 04, 2020, 07:31:18 PM
my Biggest concern would have been the motor, but it seems he quelled that concern.  That suggests that he took care of it right the last time he used it.  I love my LT15 and that one will be upgraded compared to mine. I only have 15hp, manual feed and no extension.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 07:38:27 PM
ya, the seller told me that he had drained the gas out last time it was used. so thats good.  I guess what i'm most nervous about is the drive wheel bearings and stuff that havent scene action in a while. it would be disappointing to get it home, set up and start milling and have a bearing overheat and seize or something..  what do you guys think of the bearings sitting for a few years?
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 04, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
I doubt itís an issue, but you can take the blade off and spin the wheels to see how they are.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 04, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
good advice. I will take off the blade and check for any slop or unwanted resistance.  anything else ?

thanks
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: richhiway on February 04, 2020, 08:27:44 PM
As long as the motor runs good don't worry about the rest. Woodmizers are pretty basic machinery. They have all the parts and they are simple to repair. That mill will never be worth much less then the 5000 so you can't lose anything but your time and effort. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 04, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
You can check the blade guide bearings, but even if theyíre bad thatís not a big deal at all.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: SawyerTed on February 05, 2020, 07:55:43 AM
Check it out good, then take the mill home, set it up and saw with it.  The bearings will not have had much weather on them and they are sealed. 

Donít borrow trouble. As others have said the mill is not a complicated machine and repair of anything but the engine is basic mechanics.  The engine is running so basic oil, spark plug, fuel treatment etc should have you ready to saw.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on February 05, 2020, 10:10:33 AM
If it was a 25 year old pony you'd want to take a good look in his mouth but 7 year old green broke? Take it home and Finish breaking it in! Might need new horse shoes and harness but thats wear parts.

I would not be concerned on the bearings. Pins/bushing may need to be disasembled, cleaned, lubed and re-assembled. Belts could be dry and cracked but those are pretty cheap.     
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Woodpecker52 on February 05, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
Bearings are sealed! and like I said before this mill will not last long even at this price, he who hesitates!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 05, 2020, 02:27:19 PM
well....  i'm a woodmizer LT 15 owner now! :laugh: I was gonna walk away after a 2 hour drive because I was still considering a new smaller mill..   and I known he had 2 others that wanted it..  and so I just told him, I said I'm here now with the trailer and the cash... and after some negotiating.. we settled at 4800 dollars with a brand new box of woodmizer blades and a box of used woodmizer blades that need to be sharpened.  i'm pretty happy with the deal. the track measured around 27 feet , so minus the saw head I believe my max log length will be around 24'. also the power feed option worked as it should and it did fire right up without even cranking for  more than a second.  the bearings all seamed to be lubed well and felt smooth.

the negatives: need a water bottle..  and new woodmizer decals for the head.  other than that I think I did great!!!! so really not anything big at all!

I look forward to learning how to use this streetrod real soon.  now i just have to get it unloaded and want to try to clean it up. I like to keep my toys in good shape and clean. :)

thanks again for all the help on here guys.  I will maybe try to figure out how to load a pic or 2 up later.

Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on February 05, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
If you bought a brand new one, you would be in the same boat needing a water bottle in 7 years anyway.  great deal!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: donbj on February 05, 2020, 02:42:20 PM
You did good. I was going to throw my two cents in but these other gentlemen covered it. If something breaks after you fire it up, bearing etc, don't sweat it at all. Fix and carry on.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: RichTired on February 05, 2020, 02:44:55 PM
Good for you!  8) 

You will enjoy making sawdust.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Old Greenhorn on February 05, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
If you bought a brand new one, you would be in the same boat needing a water bottle in 7 years anyway.  great deal!
Actually. given where you (and I) live, all you have to do is forget the anti-freeze one fall day and you will need a new tank. :D ;D
Good luck with the new machine!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: samandothers on February 05, 2020, 03:17:53 PM
You did great!  Now the fun can begin.  
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on February 05, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
@Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) is right.  i have had mine 7 years.  1 new fuel tank due to squirrels thinking it would taste good.  new valve on water tank x 2.  a new articulated spout on the drip lube system.  new hydraulic pump belt.  some pieces to repair energy chain. i did not forget to raise the log stops, (i thought i could gently roll a log off of forks onto the mill, not) and it rolled off the back.  some black spray paint, ect. ect.  some of this stuff is wear and tear and natural injury due to the weight of the materials you are moving.  weather and cold.  moisture.  all take their toll.  yours is just broke in.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on February 05, 2020, 03:46:04 PM
Yet another person has been infected with stage II of the viral & terminal sawdust condition.

We really need to develop a more effective support group for these poor people! The only thing we seem to be able to do here on the forum is to encourage more victims to succumb every day.

Enjoy your mill! If your like most of us on here you will be wondering why you waited so long. 

BE WARE! Woodmizer does build bigger and faster mills. The sawdust virus can be unpredictable!       
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: SawyerTed on February 05, 2020, 04:10:54 PM
Great score!  We look forward to hearing about and seeing (pictures) of your sawing!  It is a slippery slope.  Sawdust is my drug of choice!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on February 05, 2020, 04:31:54 PM
sadly there is no "herd" immunity, being around others with the condition, just makes it worse! :D
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 05, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Good deal man!  So you got an extra, extra bed section.  I only have 2 sections and can only cut about 10í 6Ē.  I got my mill from a previous forum member after he was unable to saw due to health.  He was second owner and it only came with 2 sections.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Woodpecker52 on February 05, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Good Deal you will not be sorry, can get any part for it from woodmizer, extra bed section is icing on the cake and power feed.  Hope you have fun be safe, and keep us posted, Put it under a shed for peace of mind.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 05, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
It's all tucked away in the pole barn for now.. gotta say though... I'm buying a trailer kit for it before spring when I want to start using it. What a pain in the ... moving it. Plus I dont like the idea of leaving it ar my property when I'm not living there . Does anyone have a trailer kit they want to sell? If not I'm buying woodmizer one. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: jeepcj779 on February 05, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
You could try posting that in the "Wanted" area of the forum. That's what I plan to do when the time comes and I need equipment.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 05, 2020, 07:32:07 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/59062/20200205_171023.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1580948141)
 

here it is guys!  sprayed some wd40 on it but all seems good so far!  now just need a trailer!

thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 05, 2020, 07:37:52 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/59062/20200205_171041.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1580949270)
 

heres the extra 3 pieces of tracks and blades
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 05, 2020, 07:55:43 PM
(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21488/3758/Winch_Claw_LT-15.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1318396405)

has anyone built this like "Yellowhammer" on here did?  I sent him a message and asked if he wanted to build me one.  I would be willing to pay. looks like a great way to save your back. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 05, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
To load it, back trailer to end opposite head.  Lift end and back under it.  Then roll head up the ďrampĒ.  Push rest of way on.  Two of us loaded mine that way.  Itís easier to do with 2 sections together.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: 47sawdust on February 05, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
For some super LT15 mods take a look at Forum member elk42's gallery.
Great looking mill.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Woodpecker52 on February 06, 2020, 12:49:07 AM
I saw a trailer kit advertised on sawmill exchange, under bandmill, manual been listed for months.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 06, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
my local amish sawyer said he will sharpen my blades for 7 dollars each!  thats nice..  10 minutes from my house!

I will check for that trailer and see if its still around in the for sale section.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: John S on February 06, 2020, 09:20:03 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Magicman on February 06, 2020, 09:41:36 AM
I will check for that trailer and see if its still around in the for sale section.
This is probably it:  LINK (https://sawmillexchange.com/view_product/18672/)
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 06, 2020, 05:11:03 PM
thanks.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on February 07, 2020, 08:28:29 PM
That mill aint seen enough logs to qualify as used. Id call it a demo unit.
You done very well.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: alanh on February 08, 2020, 09:23:24 AM
when I paid 5k for my LT 15 used it was about that old, the previous owner had built a trailer under it, I think that well maintained they will always be worth 5k. I`ve since added the pineywoods design hydraulic turner, which is awesome.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 08, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
thanks! I'm going to build my own trailer for it. I have a 4' axel on tires with leaf springs and a hitch from a tractor supply trailer.  just need some steel to install under the existing frame.  going to pretty much copy how woodmizer LT15 GO trailer is.  I am also going to work on setting it up with at least 1 winch for log turning like the post earlier was set up.  I may even ad a 2cd winch for pressure to secure the log against the stops.  i will probably be doing alot of the sawing by myself so if I can reduce the amount of effort for a few hundred bucks it will be well worth it.

if anyone else has installed winches hooked to log turners or log clamps I am open to designs.  as of right now it looks like I will buy the woodmizer manual log turner kit and modify it.  I called the woodmizer rep and he said with the addition of a bracket or 2 I can make the LT28 manual log turner work on my LT15. its way overpriced... for what you get, so if i cant find anything else I will probably grab that one. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: firefighter ontheside on February 08, 2020, 08:53:09 PM
How will you use the extensions if you build a trailer under it?
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Greysonvalleyrr on February 08, 2020, 09:09:19 PM
Find an old boat trailer,  see a lot for sale without the titles really cheap. Cut the frame above the axles and maybe you will have to move the saddles to match the frame width of the LT 15. Just bolt it on. Will have to make a tongue for the front but the trailer will give you that also.   
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 08, 2020, 09:25:31 PM
the trailer kit they offer is designed for 3 sections of track.  I will use it like that until I get my barn built at my new property.  then once thats done I will set it up with the full 4 sections of track so I can cut up to around 24 feet. 

I could probably brace the whole frame and trailer the whole 4 sections.  its only about 5 miles from my current home to where my 54 acres are. i'm gonna meet with a family member that owns a steel fabrication shop that may want to mill up some red maple I have... gotta love barter system!  i'm sure he will be willing to help out with the trailer system build. not that its complicated, but maybe with the steel and cutting down to size so I just have to bolt or weld on.

I will look at boat trailers available this week as well.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: farmfromkansas on February 09, 2020, 06:48:19 PM
Careful about welding anything to the frame of your mill, easy to warp the frame.  Been there, done that.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on February 09, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
good to know.  I think i will probably weld together the frame supports and then bolt them the way woodmizer kit bolts to the bed sections for they're trailer kit design. that way I can take it off if I want to set it up for good in a building.

Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: YellowHammer on February 09, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
 I put a trailer under mine years ago, also a winch claw turner, linked lever operated backstops, hydraulic jack toe boards and among other things a hybrid style two plane clamp.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=53476.msg771527#msg771527 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=53476.msg771527#msg771527)

Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 07, 2020, 03:30:26 PM
I received my steel for the trailer yesterday!  welded it all up and installed the hitch as soon as it arrived yesterday.  so far i'm happy I built my own.  27' long box steel all pre-cut and delivered with cross supports and 3" pieces to bolt trailer to.!!!  it was nice not having to cut everything to length.  now I just need to bolt the LT 15 down to the new trailer , install the jacks and I am ready to rock!

my logger has set aside 10k board feet of nice Northeast hemlock for my pole barn off my land that I was logging. I will start sawing for the first time in about a month!!


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/59062/sawmill_trailer.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1583612837)
 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 07, 2020, 07:01:11 PM
I'll give you 2 years till you move up to a hydraulic mill! 

Trailer looks good.  
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 07, 2020, 10:03:47 PM
That has always been. Problem for me... I always want bigger and better stuff..lol.. if I catch the sawmill bug I agree that within 2 years I will have a hydraulic mill! Just dont tell my wife what they cost!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 14, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
 
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heres an update on my trailer!  the frame came out great!  the axle is a bit light duty with the added weight and the 4th piece of track...  may need to get another axle and put it in front of the existing one.  it may be ok because i was thinking of just sliding the track up about 5 feet from the hitch when transporting with my truck which will put most of the weight on the truck vs the trailer axle.  what are everyone's thoughts on the axle if I keep the mill head up by the hitch when transporting? 

also, I removed the jack handles and welded on nuts similar to how woodmizers jacks are for the LT15.  now I just need to put a jack on the hitch centered for ease of getting on the ball of my truck. not bad.. 2 easy days of taking my time, welding up frame and then installing mill onto it.  probably around 10 hours invested.. 700 lbs of steel plus jacks. 

Then I get to learn how to use it! :) yee haaa!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: doc henderson on March 14, 2020, 04:29:18 PM
If you plan to be portable professional , put the proper axle on it.  if you are a hobby guy and just moving in the yard and occasionally in the neighborhood, you  are OK.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 14, 2020, 05:29:04 PM
the plan is to take it over to my woods where the hemlock is 2 days a week.  only about 5 miles away.  once I figure out a good way to lock the saw head to the track I will have to take a trip over and see how it does with the single axle.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: WV Sawmiller on March 14, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
   My LT 35 has a flip up locking pin on one the rails at the balance point that fits into a hole drilled into the plate on the bottom of the saw head with a safety chain to prevent it from bouncing out. Pretty straightforward and simple design that works well. Good luck and get some sawdust flying real soon. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 14, 2020, 06:07:16 PM
Unless you're only moving short distances and doing it slowly your aksing for trouble with the way you have the axcel mounted. Your geometry is very similar to ag implements designed for a max towing speed of about 15 to 20 MPH with a tongue weight of up to 2000lbs on the tongue that is designed to take that kind of stress. 

Any faster than that you are asking for major "death wobble" events in the towing process. DO NOT excceed the spec hitch weight of the tow vehicle hitch which on a half ton is generally about 5 to 600 lbs and can be up to 800 lbs with out a stabilizing hitch. With a heavy duty class III certified stabilizing hitch this can go up to 1200lbs.  Your axcel shoud be located at roughly 60% of the total length measured from the front of trailer (not including tounge) to the end of the mill and then adjust fore/aft (+/- 5%) for balance based on desired hitch weight.

Pin weight and axel mount position are the 2 most critical factors in mitigating the death wobble. The higher the pin weight above spec the more likely the probability of a catastrophic wobble. Insurance will not cover damage from a  trailer that is not transportation department certified in this part of the world.

I can build a trailer and have done more than a few BUT the serial number is issued by the transportation department when they certify the trailer. With out a serial number it cannot be registered and is not allowed on the roads.      

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The mill carriage should be over the axle as you have it BUT should be about 5% to 10% fore of axel mount center point to maintain the hitch weight.

By looking at the picture and not knowing the measurements id say you axel need to move forward a minimum of 4 feet to a max of about 6 feet.

If your total trailer length is 33 feet then your axel should be located 13 to 15 feet from the back end of the trailer. With the saw head as the balance adjustment, I would put the axel 14' from the back bumper and id pin the centre of the saw head 4" to 6" ahead of the axel. Figure this point with a scale under the hitch jack moving the head till you get the desired hitch weight.      
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Magicman on March 14, 2020, 06:33:46 PM
I don't see that your axle orientation is much different than most boat trailers which have no wobble problem.  The wobble occurs when most of the weight is behind the axle, not in front.

Yes, I have "unloaded" and scattered firewood with a tail heavily loaded trailer.  :o
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 14, 2020, 08:01:38 PM
the mill trailer frame is 27' long.  I placed the axle 9' from the rear so the tail doesnt drag if I go up a semi steep grade.  i think its pretty much how the 3 section LT go axle is placed.  only difference is I have 4 sections of track.  so I kept the same percentage of the axle being 1 third from the tail.  I will probably buy another axle same as I have and place it right in front of existing to split the load and then place the mill head over them. that should solve the weight issue.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Woodpecker52 on March 15, 2020, 12:57:58 AM
Lt 15 has locking pin that will hold down the head from moving.  Since my mill is stationary I covered up the pin holes.  I learned real quick not to start the automatic feed works with the head locked down.  You will find the weak link in the system real fast!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 15, 2020, 11:16:58 AM
the mill trailer frame is 27' long.  I placed the axle 9' from the rear so the tail doesnt drag if I go up a semi steep grade.  i think its pretty much how the 3 section LT go axle is placed.  only difference is I have 4 sections of track.  so I kept the same percentage of the axle being 1 third from the tail.  I will probably buy another axle same as I have and place it right in front of existing to split the load and then place the mill head over them. that should solve the weight issue.
11'4" to 10'8" to centre of axel from the the back is your ideal axel location. That applies to centre of a tandem mount axel system as well. You need to move forward roughly 2 feet for the best and safest towing.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Hilltop366 on March 15, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Congratulations on the new to you mill and trailer build!

Any fan cooled engine that has been sitting around a while I'd be tempted to take the engine shroud off and inspect for debris and mouse nest before running it to prevent over heating.

Happy sawing.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 19, 2020, 08:07:10 PM
since I have unlimited access to manufactured home axles and my company cuts some down for different size frames I picked up one yesterday.  just have to measure and install a sleeve to get desired width and then mount.  tomorrow is a good day to tackle the axle swap.  the new axle will be more than what I need for load capacity but thats a good thing.  I will probably slide the new axle up the 2 feet that some have recommended since the new tires are larger and will increase the clearance from the tail of the trailer to the ground when going up and down grades. bought some paint for the mill side rails as well to clean it up!!!  will post another pic soon!!

thanks again guys!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Bandmill Bandit on March 19, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
Make sure it is has DOT general trailer certification. A lot of mobile home axles do not have the general trailer use designation. That why most mobile home out fits have a set of DOT certified dolly axel that they roll under new mobiles that don't come with their own axels any more. I got bit on one like that my self once. In this province you cant use them for a trailer any more and now that all trailer need to be certified the old home builds with the old mobile axels are getting pulled off the road too.
  
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 20, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
axle cut down and installed..  we are good to go now!  added a jack to the center of the front as well for ease of hooking up to the truck and ranger.  now just have to fab up a lock for the mill head and I will be milling this week.  just got closed down from work in NY due to the COVID 19 virus..  which sucks..  but will give me a chance to mill the lumber for my barn over the next few weeks!!!  :)
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Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Anderson on March 21, 2020, 08:08:57 AM
Congratulations on the new to you mill and trailer build!

Any fan cooled engine that has been sitting around a while I'd be tempted to take the engine shroud off and inspect for debris and mouse nest before running it to prevent over heating.

Happy sawing.
I would just like to second this if you haven't checked it out already.. Only because I just had to clean a nest out of my 15 horse Kohler on my LT15.  They had chewed up the wiring on the coil too!  :(
I wish you the best on your milling and pole barn project! Please take lots of pictures! 8)
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: 47sawdust on March 21, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Now you have time to install the hydraulic power pack and all the accessories.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 21, 2020, 08:42:34 AM
I will check remove the engine shroud today to check for any nesting.  I havent done that yet.  probably not doing any hydraulic stuff to this mill.  but i do plan on installing a winch and pullies for log turning like others have done. 

hopefully no mice damage since NY is pretty much closed down as of Friday!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 21, 2020, 06:05:51 PM
I got the head of the mill secured for transport today!  wow.. what a difference in how secure the mill is now that its pinned.  also checked out the engine, all looked good.  I raised up the idle some and let it run for about a half hour just to make sure everything seemed good. I might grab a winch at tractor supply along with cable and pullies and work on the log turner idea. weather looks cold for tomorrow and snow on monday..  so maybe I will have a log turner for when I start this week!!! :)
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Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 24, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
well....  i worked yesterday and today on this... tried to pretty much copy design that yellow hammer did.  havent tested it yet so hopefully it works! 
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Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: caveman on March 24, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
From the looks of your lt15, that dog will hunt.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: bwstout on March 24, 2020, 04:50:26 PM
I used his idea on the clamp works great just have not finished this one on my mill but have all the stuff to do it going to try to get it done in the next couple of weeks. If yours works well maybe you could share the measurements on how long your arm is.
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 24, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
hoping to test it out this week.  if it works as I hope I would be more than happy to take some measurements and help out others. 
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: btulloh on March 30, 2020, 07:12:52 AM
Well??  Did you get some sawing done this week?  How'd it go?
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 30, 2020, 09:19:13 PM
I did go on a test run Saturday!  the mill traveled exellent with the new axle I put on it.  zero issue with location of the axle.  actually, if I had placed it any further toward the center I would have dragged the rear of the mill  when entering into the property. 

I then set it up and used my TC 45 tractor with grapple to place a 20" diameter hemlock 12' long on the mill for the first time!

the first thing I did was try the log turner.  it worked perfectly!!!!  that made my day..  I then clamped it down and fired up the mill..  squared up the cant into approximately a 14x14 or so..  I then made a bunch of stickers !  I did leave a nice 6x6 which I will cut up to stack lumber on.  this log was partially dead /rotted..  so I wanted to use it as a test run.

after seeing how hard it was to slide the cant to the back stop I then came home and spent about 4 hours installing a winch operated log clamp beside where I built the log turner.  looking forward to using that wednesday when the sun comes back out here!!  its been raining for a few days now..

so I was very happy with my first time sawing up a log.   the power feed was really nice and worked great.  I was amazed at how fast I was able to get into a rythm.  I guess the hundred plus hours of youtube paid off!!!  :)

it was very rewarding making my own lumber.. now i'm gonna do a list of materials needed for my barn and start Wednesday on it hopefully!!!!  
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 30, 2020, 09:31:45 PM
here's a few pics from the day!!! can't wait till it dries up some so I can take care of the clear cut mess and get milling!! 



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Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: btulloh on March 30, 2020, 09:49:43 PM
Nice.   8) 8) 8) 8)   smiley_applause
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 30, 2020, 10:28:44 PM
thank you sir!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: thecfarm on March 31, 2020, 07:25:19 AM
You will like sawing!!
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: btulloh on March 31, 2020, 08:30:37 AM
Durf700, I'd like to know some details about your turner and your clamping winch.

- Does the claw interfere with anything you're doing when it's retracted?  Does it protrude above the bunks when it's retracted?  

- Are you dogging with the other winch or just using it to slide the cant over to the backstops?  If you're dogging with it, how does it maintain pressure?

- Do you just charge your battery between uses or is something maintaining the charge?

Very nice job.  It looks like you have a very functional setup and some nice mods.  How about some details of the turner and the clamping mechanism when you get a chance?
Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: bwstout on March 31, 2020, 10:13:56 AM
I used the same dogging system with a 2.5 ton winch, the only different is I have my cable wrap to where it will pull the clamp back and pull the clamp forward to clamp the log. It works very well both to push the log to the stop and clamp. I just charge my battery when it gets low I use a marine battery it will last for while before recharging have use it all day clamping and I have a wench to roll the logs on the mill using the same battery. when it gets low I put a charger on and let it run while I work. You can see it in this pic clamping a large red oak cant.


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Title: Re: looking at 7 year old Woodmizer LT15
Post by: Durf700 on March 31, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
Durf700, I'd like to know some details about your turner and your clamping winch.

- Does the claw interfere with anything you're doing when it's retracted?  Does it protrude above the bunks when it's retracted?  

- Are you dogging with the other winch or just using it to slide the cant over to the backstops?  If you're dogging with it, how does it maintain pressure?

- Do you just charge your battery between uses or is something maintaining the charge?

Very nice job.  It looks like you have a very functional setup and some nice mods.  How about some details of the turner and the clamping mechanism when you get a chance?
the claw goes down below the platform that the logs sit on by several inches.  I can dog with the 2cd winch as well as slide the cants over.  that sits about 1.5 " below the main beams as well when not in use.  I just pull up on the T thats sitting inside some 2" square stock to the height I want and press the remote to apply pressure to the log or cant.  the winch will maintain the pressure to hold the log in place.  I just charge the deep cell marine battery when needed.  I dont have power @ my land yet so I have to either bring battery home or the mill and then charge it.  I will take some pics of the measurements on the log turner for the forum. 
let me know if you have any other questions!!!