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Title: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 19, 2020, 09:05:59 PM
I dug holes for piers for my drying shed.  Iím calling it a drying shed for now and not a kiln.  It will be a 10 x 16 shed with a dehumidifier.  I will air dry lumber to at least 20%before it goes in the shed.  Tomorrow I will have treated floor joists, joist hangers, concrete blocks and bags of concrete delivered.  I love having a small town lumber yard.  They will deliver and bill me.  Great thing these days.  I plan to have a picture of something to post tomorrow.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 19, 2020, 10:59:55 PM
If it is piece of equipment, like a kiln is, you can take a tax depreciation deduction.  So, make sure you call it by itís correct name...a humidity controlled lumber holding chamber.

You might want to add plastic sheet vapor barriers to the ceiling (prevent drips) and walls.  Grade the soil outside so water flows away from the chamber.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 19, 2020, 11:17:53 PM
Thanks, good point Gene.  I will claim the expense of building it as a business expense.  I like the title.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: K-Guy on April 20, 2020, 08:11:23 AM

humidity controlled lumber holding chamber

I like that, I guess that makes me a humidity controlled lumber holding chamber technician. Makes me sound smarter than I am.   :D
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Don P on April 20, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
For permitting purposes, ag exemption, my sawmill shop is a silvicultural support building.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 20, 2020, 07:36:56 PM
My supplies didnít get delivered until about 2.  Got most of the work done for the foundation.  Iím using concrete blocks filled with concrete.  Tomorrow I will put two more sets of concrete blocks for piers on the long sides.  I ordered 10í 2x10s for joists.  They sent 12ío now Iím considering using them, but they will have to be cantilevered.  Not sure thatís a good idea.  I need 7 more bags of 80lb concrete tomorrow.  I need to figure out how Iím going to insulate the floor.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: farmfromkansas on April 20, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
On my solar kiln, built the floor, put the bottom on the joists, then rolled it over with the forks on the skidsteer.  Yours is bigger, so might be more difficult.  Bet you can do it though.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 20, 2020, 09:30:07 PM
Iíve seen where folks have done that, but I donít think thatís gonna be possible with a 10x16 deck made with 2x10s.  Iíll probably nail on cleats all the way around each joist space and lay in pieces of plywood or perhaps corrugated plastic.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 20, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
a cantilever of 1 foot over each side, is not a big deal since in a kiln, most of the weight is in the center, and the outside is for air flow.  but did you plan to have a beam along the long sides to set the joists on?  or may need more lumber if you had prev. planed just a rim joist.  neat idea.  more bang for he buck.  Gene seemed to think fiberglass was fine for insulation.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 20, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
I will be doubling 2x10x16ís for the beams.  Joists will hang from these on hangers.  What I may need to do is double any joists that will be sitting on the piers, since the double 2x10 will now be hanging from the joists.  Good point about the weight.  This would actually put the weight more over the piers instead of hanging inside.  I think you just convinced me.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Don P on April 21, 2020, 07:08:21 AM
You're about to create a bear. The hangers on the doubled rim to doubled canti joist connection would need to be flipped upside down for the rim to carry the common joists load, think about your load path(s).
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 21, 2020, 07:28:25 AM
Don can he incorporate a beam into the floor frame.  maybe just inside the joists that are on the piers.  he appears to have a lot of purchase there.  otherwise would need to extend out and under the rim joist and that would gain height.  I doubt he wants it any taller.  I guess the issue is how to fasten it.  @Don P (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) 
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Don P on April 21, 2020, 07:41:53 AM
Basically its a machine that takes a pounding rather than a deck that you sip tea on. Don't cantilever, use the cutoffs for blocking and keep the joist spans shorter and the load paths straight down to solid bearings. My gut says that double rim is already sketchy for the load.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 21, 2020, 08:10:54 AM
I had already thought about having to turn some hangers upside down.  10í was already plenty big for what I want to do and 2 more feet would just add more cost to everything else.  I will go ahead and keep it 10í.  The double rim will be spanning 6í at most as there will be a mid point pier on each long side near where you see more blocks sitting.  The corners are 24Ē in both directions.  Thanks for the advice guys.  
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 21, 2020, 08:27:57 AM
as you are building, can we at least get a pic of you "sipping tea"  on the deck?!  :D :D :D.  great job so far, it should stand for many years.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 21, 2020, 08:31:17 AM
I have Silvicultural humidity controlled lumber holding chamber envy!   :(  :)
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 21, 2020, 09:13:22 AM
Well, of course!
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 21, 2020, 05:43:14 PM
Progress today.  Got the last piers done.  Put all the joists up and one of the double band boards up.  Tomorrow I will double the other one and then put all the joist hangers on.  I need to put posts down to the mid point piers.  Even without them, this thing is stout.  Hereís a pic with my ďiced teaĒ.  Really itís an empty water cup.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 21, 2020, 06:15:39 PM
looks fantastic!  I do not see your pinky finger extended... you know to drink your tea, Sir Firefighter on the Side!   ;) :) smiley_beertoast
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 21, 2020, 07:13:04 PM
Thanks Doc.  I have a lot of work still to do, but just happy to finally be moving forward with it.  I really need to get some wood in there.  Getting wood in there makes room for me to saw and stack more.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 22, 2020, 06:37:44 PM
Not much visible progress today.  I put all the nails and screws in the joist hangers today and hung the doubles for the rim joists.  Squared the deck and installed the middle point posts.  Next time i will insulate the deck and hopefully get the plywood floor on.  Iím only putting r13 in the floor since thatís all that will be in the walls.  Ceiling will probably be r19, but maybe 30.  Iím thinking of just a sloped ceiling/roof instead of having an attic space.  Hoping to find some used metal roofing when the time comes.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 23, 2020, 03:34:38 PM
Because a kiln has fans, so the air is stirred up well, extra insulation on the roof is not necessary.  It does not hurt, except the pocket book.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 23, 2020, 04:47:37 PM
That makes perfect sense.  My humidity controlled lumber holding chamber will have fans.  Makes sense that thereís not much point in insulating higher in one area than in another.  Thanks, Gene.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 23, 2020, 04:51:01 PM
What about doors?  Iím considering just a 36Ē exterior door at each end.  Will 36Ē be too narrow.  Most of the time itíll just be me carrying wood in and out.  Widest thing would be about 25Ē.  It is an LT15 after all.  But then Iím thinking I may want wider, like French doors or make my own door that is more like 48Ē.  So many decisions to make.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 23, 2020, 07:49:12 PM
how about a man door at one end, and an insulated garage door at the other?  just hate to see you have to carry each board in and out for the next 20 years!
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 23, 2020, 07:52:45 PM
and since it is off the ground,  consider a ramp up to the floor level instead of steps.  i think that is easier to navigate with heavy lumber in tow.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 23, 2020, 09:09:10 PM
Iím definitely doing that Doc.  Itís only about 14Ē off the ground on one end and the land goes up a little as it goes away from the shed, so a ramp could make it to where I really donít have to go up to get in.  Iíll put some stairs on the other end, just so I can get in from that end when I need to. Iím considering chambering this thing off a bit to have one end be more of the drying end and the rest be storage.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 23, 2020, 09:56:43 PM
When we have a cold winter morning, oftentimes we see frost on the roof, as the roof cools at night when looking at the nighttime sky.  So, the roof is a few degrees cooler than the walls...we might see frost on a roof but not on the walls.  But the heat loss from a 45 degree drop, inside to out compared to a 40 drop does mean a little more heat loss in the roof, but is it worth the extra cost of thicker insulation.  When it might pay is when you are short of energy at times, so saving one percent in a kiln will be a big help.  That is, you can double insulate the roof, but the losses from the four walls, and door, are must more area and so lose a lot of energy.  

We can make a good case for increasing the insulation in an electric kiln (DH) to 8Ē.  It is worth the investment both in peak energy demand and kWh usage, both which determine you electric bill payment.

Make a man door wide enough to get a reasonable size carrier or even a wheel chair in and out.

The OSHA standard for kilns required two exits for tHe enclosed space.  I am not sure if this requirement is still active, but it is a good idea.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: thecfarm on April 24, 2020, 06:24:07 AM
I myself would go with a four foot door, if I was carrying lumber through it.
But I never carried lumber through a 3 foot door either. You might be able to do it now easily, but add 10 years to your life and things are different. 
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: farmfromkansas on April 24, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
My shop has a 32" walk in door, and in winter, I carry lumber like books to take it in that door.  
Does not require a lot of room if you hold the board against your body.  Also have insulated overhead doors for wide heavy stuff.  If you plan to load your drying shed one board at a time, think a 3' door will be fine.  Much easier to set it in on a pallet with forks though.  Wet lumber is very heavy. When I get my kiln doors hung, will be able to comment on wide heavy doors for a kiln.  Hope to get some done today.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on April 24, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
my shop has a 3 foot man door, but a left turn 4 feet inside to the wood shop can be a pain.  I have 6 foot wide French doors that open and go straight into the center of my wood shop.  my container opens up along the 20 foot side.  good if you have stuff palletized as mentioned.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Don P on April 24, 2020, 09:12:27 AM
Or an end door that can take pallet width and kiln cart for roll in. Hand carry a stick at a time gets old fast.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 24, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
I hear you all on the access and trouble of carrying boards in one at a time, but now that is the only option.  In the future I hope to build a whole new facility, including shop, mill shed, and drying area.  Right now I donít have access to electricity where I would build that.  I think I will plan for a 4í door I will make for loading and unloading and install a 36Ē door for everyday access.  I plan to sell some lumber out of there too.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 25, 2020, 03:27:44 PM
I picked up insulation and plywood for the floor today, but itís a rain out.  I did rip some 2x4s Iím gonna use to help insulate the floor.  I need to put cleats in the joist spaces to hold plywood.  Tomorrow will be a nice day, if a little squishy.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 25, 2020, 03:41:57 PM
With doors, we are concerned about air leaks.  Old fire hose is tough and stands up well.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 25, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
Old firehose, wherever would I get any of that?
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on April 26, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
Fire department replaces their hoses now and then.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 26, 2020, 08:00:45 AM
I was just kidding, Gene.  Iím a firefighter and we throw it away all the time.  I also bring some home sometimes for the kids to play with.  Iíve got some on the kids treehouse to pad the corners.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on April 26, 2020, 08:59:35 PM
Well, I have an insulated floor now.  Man was it muddy out there.

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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 05, 2020, 09:53:51 PM
Progress was slow this week.  Other things to do, but I did get some walls built.  I wanted to get it under roof yesterday, but rain had other plans for me.  Hopefully a roof next time.  I decided to only have one door.  A second door just takes up wall space and it was gonna be too many steps to get down on that end anyway.  I framed for a 4í opening.  Havenít decided what to do yet.  I may put up a regular 36Ē door and have a smaller French door I can open if I need a wider opening sometimes.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 07, 2020, 05:45:11 PM
I finished the rafters, roof sheeting and felt today.  It will still get some blown in rain, but at least itís under roof.  Tomorrow, depending on rain and other factors, I should get the metal on the roof and osb on one side.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 08, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
I have built a door using a sheet of 3/4" plywood, and then putting a strip of wood or smartboard trim around the face of the ply, then putting soffit panel between the trim.  Could just cover the whole front of the ply with the soffit panel, then run smart trim around the perimeter. I use the hinges flat ways rather than on edge like a door made to put on your house.  Outswing would be good as well, but you need to use a piece of chain or strap to block the door from wind. Have a storage building combination dog house like that, let the door hang down below the edge of the floor to keep it from leaking. Just put weather strip between the floor and the door.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 08, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
I was thinking of something like that.  I was planning to use plywood with foam insulation sandwiched inside and vinyl siding on the outside.  Wind today almost took my tar paper off, so I quickly put tin on the roof tonight.  I need to pick up 10 sheets of osb tomorrow to close it in.  Then I can run some electric before I insulate and put up osb on inside.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 09, 2020, 05:42:46 PM
Almost all plywood is on the outside.  I managed to keep the plywood on the trailer this morning.  Yay me.  I did one wall of vinyl siding, because I was tired of working with plywood.  I have a lot of vinyl, but not all matching colors, so I will do the best I can to make it look good.  I bought all this vinyl in an auction over a year ago with the intention of using on a kiln.  May not work on it tomorrow, because I need to mill some walnut.

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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 20, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
Progress has been a little slow the last week due to the nose injury and overtime at work, but Iíve gotten a little done the last few days.  Hope to get the siding done tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 20, 2020, 06:38:56 PM
Thinking about the floor in there.  Toying with the idea of linoleum or rubberized roofing.  
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 22, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Completely finished up siding today.  Then I built a door.  It is 1/2 ply on each side with a frame made from cypress.  Sandwiched inside is a piece of 2Ē closed cell foam.  Itís pretty heavy, but four 3.5Ē hinges handled it ok.  I think I will clad the outside with aluminum and then do like someone here did and creat a rubber seal around the hinge side.  Door is 45Ē wide.
 
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on May 22, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
I have drying shed envy!  looking great!   8)
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: doc henderson on May 22, 2020, 05:34:35 PM
it is always hard to know how to finish under a shed door.  we build a 4 x 8 chicken coop, and that area always was prone to swelling and rot.  might put an l flashing over it for now.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 23, 2020, 09:50:29 AM
Yeah, Iím definitely going to make some sort of threshold to try and keep water out.  I might even put a flashing on the bottom outside of the door to keep water from blowing in.  I have a big roll of aluminum trim coil and a siding break.  I should be able to do something.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 23, 2020, 05:43:49 PM
Does the door swing in or out?  If it swings out, put a piece of soffit panel over the outside and let it hang down so water can not soak the floor. Put siding below the door to protect the wood.  A rubber door seal would work if you put a piece of wood like a threshold to seal the air from flowing under the door.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 23, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
The door does swing out. I will be installing stops with gaskets all the way around to seal the air.  I will make an aluminum threshold to keep water from rotting the sill and from running into the shed.  I will probably also build at least a small awning over the door to protect the top of the door.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 25, 2020, 09:45:25 PM
Alas, no progress today.  Probably none tomorrow either.  Something about having to install a new water heater in the house tomorrow.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 27, 2020, 09:15:29 PM
I got a lot of the wall insulation put in today.  I will finish the wall insulation tomorrow and then start on the ceiling.  I was going to use r11 in the ceiling, but they were out of it, so r19 it is.  I ran wires for some receptacles and lighting.  I didnít feel the need for a light switch, so I will use plain light sockets with pull strings.  I havenít decided what to use for the door latch/handle.  I need to be able to lock it.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on May 30, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
Wax repels water, so consider a coating of paraffin wax on the outside and renew it every year or two.  Brie wax has color, if you want to get fancy.  Some stains have microcrystalline wax in them too.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on May 31, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
Thanks Gene.  Thatís an option.
Today I got almost all of the ceiling insulation done and some of the ceiling paneling done.  I have to finish some framing in the gables to get all the insulation and paneling done.  Iím getting close to needing to run the electric line.  Iíll pick up the conduit and some more wire tomorrow.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on June 01, 2020, 07:51:06 AM
Did you mean more wire or. More wine?
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 01, 2020, 07:55:16 AM
I did mean more wire, but I also did get some nice cherry moscato from a friend yesterday.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 03, 2020, 10:16:49 PM
Got most of the inside plywood up.  I seam sealed the ceiling with aluminum tape.  I caulked the corners and will likely caulk all the plywood seams before I paint next week with acrylic latex.  Still need to run the electric.  Not looking forward to that.  Only going 12Ē deep, but we have so much rock.  This area is full of very large quartz boulders.  Pretty, but not good for digging holes and trenching.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 21, 2020, 07:39:57 PM
Todayís major accomplishment was getting the trench dug and wire and conduit ran to the shed.  We have power.  That was not fun digging.  I started painting the inside with white acrylic latex to help make it air tight.  The osb really sucks up the paint.  Iím getting there.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on June 23, 2020, 06:15:58 PM
This is really awesome.  It almost looks like a house for the in-laws.  Rent it out by the night.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: jimbarry on June 23, 2020, 06:57:17 PM
Great job so far. I ran my floor joists the other way, with a triple 2x6 outer rim board. Under the floor are 6x6's every couple feet.  I ran the floor joists that way so that the floor boards would all be 10ft long.
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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 23, 2020, 07:58:42 PM
Thanks Gene and Jim.
My father in law prolly wouldnít mind living in the kiln, I mean humidity controlled lumber holding chamber.  He is a woodworker, but my MIL probably wonít appreciate it.  Sheís more indoorsy.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 25, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
Is this too fancy for a kiln/shed door?

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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Nebraska on June 25, 2020, 03:03:12 PM
Not one that's as deluxe as what you've been making!
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 25, 2020, 07:59:37 PM
Ahh, thatís true.
I took the handle back off so I could clad the outside of the door with aluminum.  I also put aluminum on the threshold.

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Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: WDH on June 26, 2020, 07:35:11 AM
Is this too fancy for a kiln/shed door?

Yes ;D. 
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on June 26, 2020, 07:39:06 AM
You may be right.  I was looking around for odds and ends of handles and latches and I had that.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: samandothers on June 26, 2020, 08:27:09 AM
Seems just right then!
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on July 01, 2020, 05:15:02 PM
All you need is a mailbox on a post where you can store your notes, maybe a moisture meter, etc.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 01, 2020, 05:34:38 PM
Gene, Iíll keep notes on the chalk board I put in there.  My sister was getting rid of the board that we had as kids and I thought, hey I can put that in the kiln to keep track of things.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 06, 2020, 05:23:45 PM
So, my shed is drying wood.  I put some map,e in there 4 days ago that was 20% and walnut that was 17%.  The maple is reading 15% and walnut 14%.  It would dry faster I think, but the dh has to cycle off due to an abundance of heat.  Iím afraid of letting it get hotter than 95 in there, but maybe itís worth letting it with the ďcheapĒ residential unit I have in there.  
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on July 07, 2020, 07:59:23 AM
Slow drying of maple tends to make the wood darker; fast drying at under 100 F tends to make the wood very white in color.  However, this is at very high, over 45% MC roughly.  So, slow drying at your low MCs is not an issue as far as wood quality goes.

So, congratulations.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 07, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Thanks Gene.  I'll keep working on improving my shed.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 09, 2020, 08:19:30 AM
With the drying going on the shed, I'm starting to see cracks in the plywood floor as it is drying out.  Also, there are some cracks in the caulk that I used to seal the seams between the plywood, at the very least Im going to need to seal and paint it again.  I'm also thinking of using some linoleum or rubberized roofing on the floor.  Linoleum seems to be a thing of the past so remnanst are not available like it used to be.  The roofing may be the best bet.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: K-Guy on July 09, 2020, 09:00:33 AM

We recommend painting the inside of our DIY kilns with Aluminized Roofing Paint. It will expand and contract with the heating and cooling of the room. Re-coating every 3-5 years.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 09, 2020, 09:12:02 AM

We recommend painting the inside of our DIY kilns with Aluminized Roofing Paint. It will expand and contract with the heating and cooling of the room. Re-coating every 3-5 years.
Thanks, I had thought about that too.  I've never used the stuff.  I'll look for some.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: WDH on July 10, 2020, 07:18:06 AM
Kool Seal is the Lowes brand.  Be sure to have an extra duty trash bag available as the clothes you are wearing, if you get any on them, will no longer be suitable for donation to Goodwill.  
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: Don P on July 10, 2020, 07:44:08 AM
We've run into the same thing as far as joints opening. The chamber was caulked well and double coated with aluminized roofing paint but after the first couple of loads it was obvious we had dried the framing and sheathing quite a bit more than original. It'll need another caulking and recoating when we get caught up. In hindsight we should have run a cycle before caulking and coating to get that initial chamber shrinkage over with.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 10, 2020, 02:00:15 PM
Yep, that would have been a good idea, but I just couldn't wait.  Ive got a couple gallons of the acrylic latex that I put on.  I'll probably use that up on the walls and floor and then go over that with the aluminum.
Title: Re: Finally starting drying shed
Post by: GeneWengert-WoodDoc on July 11, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Pace Silverliner is a kiln wall coating.

Use butyl rubber latex caulk.