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Title: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 17, 2020, 09:40:32 AM
Well, as promised, I am closing out the thread the precedes this one The Greenhorns' Initial Sawing season 2019-20 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=106265.0) because it has grown to 20 pages and that is more than enough. I had thought to end it there, but some have mentioned that like reading of my mis-adventures from time to time, and I confess I enjoy writing about them most times. It also allows me to go back and relive my mistakes or remember how I did something or watch the growth and changes in direction. Very often we forget where we started or notice the progress we have made. Always an issue for me.
 I chose today to make the jump to a new thread because it is a special day of sorts, for me anyway. Today is Norwegian Constitution day. (You can refer to that whole conversation in the previous thread, on this same date last year.) Coincidentally this is also my birthday as a few of you have already made note of in PM's (Thank You). Being my 65th means I am finally of legal retirement age and most of you know I am actively pursuing that option. ;D It's not so much that I need to retire, but that I need to get out of the corporate world and get my head straight. (We explored this in the waning pages of the previous thread also.)

 So without much more blathering, in so far as is possible...

 Yesterday was a lovely day so I mixed it up. I ripped some square edges on some oak slabs and an Ash piece, Thought I would try a glue-up and see if I could get the edges flat enough to take with just the table saw and hand planer (no jointer here yet). So I set about doing that.


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It sits drying up now and I will go un-clamp it in a little while. Then I wanted to get outside, and the mill area never did get set up for a proper work flow last fall when I hastily moved it behind the shop. Piles of slabs building up and in the wrong place, a poorly located workbench, and a general mess. It was a lot of work, so I started tackling that. I cut up all the pine slabs and filtches in the junk pile and made a stack of campfire wood, the hardwood I loaded into a garden trailer to get stacked in the firewood pile for either the house or shop. (I have to clean or clear those areas soon too.) Then I moved the bench along the fence to open the work area up a bit, I trimmed some low hanging branches and laid down a 6" pine that was growing all wrong, not healthy, crowded in and generally in the way. It was heavy work with a lot of slabs to cut and stack, but the junk pile is gone. Hopefully now I can keep up with it as I mill. Today I will be cutting up the usable slabs into working sizes which will generate more firewood. I am trying to figure out how I want to gain access across the little drainage creek into the swamp area. I might build a bridge, but need more logs. It would only be 12' long and about 7' wide, but I would like to put 10x10's under it (x3) to handle anything I might drive over it. I will keep thinking on that. I came in the house a couple of times during the day to sit and rest my back and watch the cats try to figure out what they thought of the new screen door that gives them an upfront seat to watch the chipmunks run back and forth. Apparently one of them could not contain himself and charged out after 'something' then turned and realized he was locked outside. My wife heard some banging and came to find him 'knocking' on the door to get back inside. :D So I had to put a hook and eye on the door to helps prevent that. They are really enjoying it and have even managed to sit peacefully next to each other and enjoy the view which is new for them.

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 They are both very competitive, so this is a nice change.

After dinner, I started a little campfire and just loafed. The Grandson's stopped by to see if they could talk me into fishing today, but I declined. Too much to do now that the weather is breaking.
 Speaking of which, I had best get to it. Here goes nothing.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 17, 2020, 09:55:43 AM
 :P Will be following along on your adventure!

Nice oak slabs, there. 6/4 or 8/4?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on May 17, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Glad to see the new start. Happy Birthdy and many more.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 17, 2020, 10:49:27 AM
I know you will stay busy, not so sure about the trouble... :D  congrats on birthday and retirement.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on May 17, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
Just about to till the garden, if I can get the tiller going. We was doing the no till for 2 years. So the tiller has not been started for a while. Probably a load of rocks will be hauled into the woods road. Than a few load of branches. That should bring me into night fall.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 17, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
Not sure how someone can stay busy and out of trouble at the same time, maybe it could be staying busy or out of trouble.   ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on May 17, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Sounds like a busy birthday!  It is your day do whatcha want!  Another happy birthday wish, birthdays are good to have!  I mentioned in another thread you share the birthday with my daughter, though the year is off by ….. 37.  Hope you get to do the things you wanna do and do them safely.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 17, 2020, 02:11:35 PM
   Happy birthday from WV too. Did you ever come up with a name for your business yet? I'm with the others on the "staying out of trouble." I suspect that us largely wishful thinking.

   I'm still thinking something like "Old Noggies Wood Noodle factory" or  such for a name. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 17, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
  Happy birthday from WV too. Did you ever come up with a name for your business yet? I'm with the others on the "staying out of trouble." I suspect that us largely wishful thinking.

   I'm still thinking something like "Old Noggies Wood Noodle factory" or  such for a name. :D
Here's a hint:

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The county offices have been closed for 2 months now so I can't make it legal yet but as soon as they reopen I will get the paperwork done.
As far as staying out of trouble while staying busy, I suppose I could settle for doing them consecutively, if not concurrently.  ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on May 17, 2020, 06:36:14 PM
The tiller started. Took 6-7-8 pulls but it came to life. Just came in for a late supper.  Had to take down a support for the dill, clean up the garden some. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: sawguy21 on May 17, 2020, 06:38:15 PM
I'm staying out of trouble but it s incearisingly difficult. Too many distractions.

Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 17, 2020, 07:39:56 PM
  Oh yeah - I almost forgot. Happy Constitution Day. Hope you remembered to wear your little shiny buckle shoes and your little knife.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 17, 2020, 08:01:13 PM
Well I did in fact stay out of trouble AND got some work done today. SO that makes 1 in a row! ;D
I did some chores so the wife wouldn't yell at me, then went and checked on the glue-up, it is 8/4 by the way. Looked good, so I removed the clamp and flipped it. There were just a few teeny holes where the glue did not make it, so I put a bubble on those spot and left that to dry. Then I walked around the mill for a while working out what to do to increase my work area or make it more usable. I have little drainage creek running through the property, it keeps things wet most of the year. It is mostly parallel to the mill and about 30-40 feet away and sort of cuts off part of my yard. That part is very wet almost all year because of the high water table and I would love to add some fill and bring the level up, but I would need an awful lot of fill!  So over the years, I have taken a few trees that died for firewood, but no much else has been done with it. I could put in drying racks, up on stilts, or at the very least pile my junk waste out there to help fill it in. But there is a barrier of little trees dead stuff and it is pretty inaccessible. So today was the day to start at least cutting out the garbage brush and dead stuff so that I can walk through there. I did not take any before photos, I should have but didn't think I would be doing as much as I wound up doing. It is hard to tell in these 2 photos, but if you can see where the creek is, just to the other side I took out about 30 stems, trimmed lots of branches, and did general cleanup up. I still have more to do and a few diseased or damaged trees that have to come down, but it is opening up. I hope this cuts down on the mosquitoes and lets it dry up quicker. I laid all the branches out as matting so I can at least walk across them.


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It's a good start anyway, Took most of the day.

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In the middle of all this I got a text from a good friend asking if I was relaxing and enjoying my birthday. I sent him back a text that said "OH Yeah, I even have my party clothes on" with the attached photo:

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He just sent back a note saying that he should have known. ;D

Once I had all that cleaned up I went back in the shop and planed out the bottom of the center section on that slab glue-up. Then sanded it to level and match. The wife bought me a new 4x24 belt sander for my birthday and it rips pretty good, but MAN it throws dust. Gonna have to add a vacuum to it.

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Tomorrow I should get to the other side, rain is coming in, so it's a shop day.
 Yes, it was a good day, thanks for all the good wishes.
 CFarm glad you got some stuff done too. I bet everyone was out trying to catch up or get ahead today. Pretty decent weather is this region anyway.

WV you can see in the prior photo what I was wearing. I don't even own a bunad, but I did have a knife on my belt, as usual. ;D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 18, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
OK, so now I am soliciting opinions. I did some more work on that glued up slab today, sanded both sides flat, trimmed the ends, did the smoothing and shaping sanding, then poured a little epoxy in one knot hole and a few tiny imperfections so it all finished up smooth. I set that on the side to cure.

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 Then I started thinking about legs and I wanted to make something different (for me) and lighter and not so clubby looking. I wasted the better part of the day planing wood and working on some legs at a 2.5° angle in both directions. No matter what I did, it didn't look right and kept getting too complicated. So I trashed that idea and made a simple frame with 4 legs about 1-1/2" square. Here are the parts just laid out.

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 Obviously that is upside down. My plan is to cut a half lap on the tops of the legs for the frame to rest on. Then put one screw in for each frame piece into the legs and glue everything when it is assembled. I will then have a frame. I will put 4 blocks screwed to the under side of the table that will square the top up on the frame. I could leave it that way so it is easy to lift the top off to move it, or secure it with a few screws. The frame is white oak and the legs are RO.
 So my stupid question #1 is, can I just glue this whole thing, or are screws more the way to go along with the gluing?
 Should I plan on screwing it to the bottom straps, or is a removable top more desirable?
 Do you think I need something to connect the legs lower down for support, or can I just leave them stick out? (planned overall table height is 19" but I might wind up as low as 17")
 I kind of like this concept of making lighter leg structures that do not require putting large holes in the top at the risk of getting an angle wrong and having everything messed up.  Not sure how this will appear when finished so I wanted to test out the concept and see how it plays out. Any input is welcome and invited.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 18, 2020, 06:53:50 PM
for any furniture, I glue everything but the top attachment.  to add pizzaz to the legs and lighten them up, look at a tapering jig.  can taper just the inner 2 sides or all four.  can do the whole length, but easier to leave a square area to attach IMO.  plans and video online, and done on the table saw.  the top will really POP!  i like a little flare angle but you can figure it out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 18, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
My initial thought on how to get your legs canted a bit:

Take the legs like you have set up in your mock-up.  Set your table saw to a small angle (2.5-5°?).  Using a tenon jig would make it easier but clamping an extra tall temporary fence to you saw fence will work.  Then pass two adjoining sides of the leg between the blade and fence to make a dovetail like cut.  Make this cut longer than the table skirt is high.  This will enter the edge of the leg and the cut will lean into the leg.  You will have to trim off the slivers and do a little bit of a fancy true up at the shoulder.  As the leg leans out in one direction, the shoulder is not square on the adjoining face.  Both those shoulder cuts should be the same angle off of perpendicular as the angle of the dovetail.  Hope that is clear.

The way I would do it is cut the wedge-like sliver out on both sides.  Clamp to your skirt (or a working mock up of one corner).  Then have a ½" to 1" spacer on top (the "bottom" of the skirt) and use a flush cutting/undercutting saw to cut the compound angle.  That would give a very good fit that can be trued up with some sharp chisels.

Next, I would fit it to the skirt, marking where it extends beyond the upper edge of the skirt - trim to fit.  Once all the legs are attached, trim  all to length with your band mill!

As Doc suggested, I would also taper the legs to make them look nicer.  If you tapered the inside faces about ½" and then did a 2½° angle, I think it would look pretty cool.

I might try this for some cedar slabs I have...
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 18, 2020, 07:43:06 PM
here is a pic of my cheap store bought one, it is better to make one with a hinge and an L bracket or piece of angle iron, and 2 boards.  


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Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 18, 2020, 09:31:17 PM
Ah, you guys are great! I didn't even finish reading both your suggestions before I understood what you were telling me and it made perfect sense. SO inspired I was that I just went back out to the shop and did one sample leg to make sure I had gotten it right.
 This is the quick and dirty setup I made for making the 2.5° cant cuts. Everything is square and the blade is set at the angle.


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Two simple cuts then I laid it flat and kicked the square over at 2.5° to trim off the chip. The cuts are short and don't blend well, but this is a proof of concept thing right now. I just wanted to prove the plan out in my head. I am not concerned about matches yet.
 So here is that end.

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Next I made a quick large angle which I clamped to the t-square and set at a 5° angle. I didn't take any pictures of this, it's just as well, pretty ugly, but it worked. I decided on a 5° taper angle that does not run the full length to the leg. This may have had to do with the poor 5 minute jig I made (and finger safety), but it does not look too bad.
 Detail photos don't really show much you don't already know, here is the leg on the mock up.


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Glad I made a 5th leg for this thing so I had something to mess with. :D Tomorrow I will set it up proper with careful measurements instead of eyeballing everything and make 4 legs all the same.
 Thanks guys, I had a feeling you would set me right. Guess I was tired at the end of the day and needed somebody to look at it clearly. Gonna be fun to see how this comes out now.
 You never know, someday you guys may make me into a woodworker. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 18, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
Looks great!  Just a heads up.  Make sure all your blanks are the same length.  Depending on how you made your taper jig, your register may be the same or opposite end as the angle cuts at the top.  Making sure they are all the same starting will help negate any difference when cutting/registering from the same or different ends.  Also, mark what sides are being cut for each leg so you don't suffer a senior moment at a crucial time! ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 18, 2020, 10:38:00 PM
Looks great!  Just a heads up.  Make sure all your blanks are the same length.  Depending on how you made your taper jig, your register may be the same or opposite end as the angle cuts at the top.  Making sure they are all the same starting will help negate any difference when cutting/registering from the same or different ends.  Also, mark what sides are being cut for each leg so you don't suffer a senior moment at a crucial time! ;)
Hah! been there, done that, 3 or 4 times today on the first concept. Check my burn barrel if you don't believe me. ;D Yes, blanks are equal length and registering all from the same end anyway. Marking the sides is a necessity these days. The phones rings, and bang you have more scrap.
 I am liking this leg setup, the frame is scale-able, and although the legs appear of a modern furniture design I think they look good. I just have to see how it looks when finished. This may be a winner going forward.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 18, 2020, 11:22:41 PM
Those cross cuts that released the tenon, so to speak:  That is a complicated compound cut, right?  The blade is angled the same as you made the cheek cut and the miter guide is angled that amount as well, correct?  You would just need a stop block at the fence to get them all registered the same.  The only gotcha is the miter angle changes between the faces.  A little blue tape on the uncut sides to clue in which angle you should be cutting on the opposite (bottom) side on the saw.  OR, you could use the off cut from the cheek to use as a shim on your square miter gauge - if it is big enough.  There will still be a little clean up with a hand saw and/or chisels.

Look at some old tables and you will see a piece of steel (could be wood) that makes a 45 angle across the corner.  Then a screw is run through the mid point in into the leg to stiffen it up.  The inside corner is knocked off for the brace to land on it.  If steel, it is bent on the ends and sits in a saw kerf in the skirt boards.  If wood, it would need to be screwed in.  Just a thought to stiffen them up.  Or just glue and screw them in from the inside into the skirt.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 19, 2020, 07:39:27 AM
That issue may be less of a problem than you think. The angle is so small and the distance so short that the saw kerf pretty much takes care of itself and I just need to clean the corner a bit with a file. But we will see when I get back to it in a little bit.
 I might look into that corner brace idea, those brackets are available but I forget what they are called and can't find them in a google search right now. Baby steps for now as I figure all this stuff out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 19, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
such a small angle, you can play with the idea of cutting the splay angle for the legs, on the backside of the aprons.  just run it through the table saw, and have the legs splay out, and skip the half lab on the leg.  The outside is square but the inside has the 2.5° angle.  or with leg taper on the inside 2 sides, the leg will look splayed but is really perpendicular.  making it look more refined.  I have called my stuff elegant rustic.  bark on one side, but a kid cannot scrape or cut themselves easily.  sounds like a traditional wood worker problem.  so much wood with so many ideas, and so little time, and never enough tools.   :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 19, 2020, 08:19:56 AM
such a small angle, you can play with the idea of cutting the splay angle for the legs, on the backside of the aprons.  just run it through the table saw, and have the legs splay out, and skip the half lab on the leg.  The outside is square but the inside has the 2.5° angle.  or with leg taper on the inside 2 sides, the leg will look splayed but is really perpendicular.  making it look more refined.  I have called my stuff elegant rustic.  bark on one side, but a kid cannot scrape or cut themselves easily.  sounds like a traditional wood worker problem.  so much wood with so many ideas, and so little time, and never enough tools.   :D
Another neat idea! But I don't want to test that here. The skirt is WO and I have precious little on hand. I used a lot of it building the shed and these pieces were supposed to be battens for that, but they bent like bananas coming off the mill and have laid in the shop ever since. I planed them, cut them short and got the edges trued up into some nice pieces with a bit of effort. 
 Next time I will look into that. Now I am off to the shop to get this done, or screw it up, whichever comes first. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 19, 2020, 06:28:40 PM
Well I am afraid  may be too tired to keep my eyes open after the evening session, so I am doing the daily report now. This morning I went out and got started on jigging all the cuts for the legs and didn't too too bad, in spite of marking everything I still managed to do one cut on the wrong side and lost a leg, so I used the spare. Then I put it together and glued it and put a single bronze screw in each leg side. 

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I set that on the side to set up, put the top back up and sanded off the little epoxy pours. There was some settling in the knot hole one deep bug hole, so I had to mix and do another tiny pour. Then I set the top on the legs and there wasn't much I could do but wait on that.

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 The weather was nice so I went out and looked for the next thing to do. After the swamp cleanup over the weekend it was looking better, but there was a snapped off maple with a remaining 10' trunk that came down many years ago. It was 'dead' for a long time but now has two volunteers coming out of it and they are about 6" diameter and 20' tall. This will not end well, given the rotten condition of the stump.  Time to take care of that and let some sun in on this wet ground. SO I got the gear on and took that down. The stump was about 28" in diameter so it was a bit more than a simple 'knock 'er down' job and it didn't fall as I wanted, but I got it down, cut everything up, limbed it and spread all the limbs for matting in the swamp and also took out a little hemlock and EWP while I was at it. Everything all nice and clean and I was pooped out. I put all those tools away and went back in the shop. 
 The glue had dried but not the epoxy. So I took all the clamps off and set up a large fence (or what I thought was a large fence until I saw @EOTE (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=44084) 's super fence) and used that to trim the legs. This worked a lot cleaner than using the sawmill, by far.


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It stands pretty neat and I think those leg ideas I was given really make it look a little sexy, if that is possible.

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I sanded it all over and just before I came in for dinner I gave it a coat of tung oil. I plan to go out after dinner and flip the top to pour some other small holes in the top side, or is it the bottom? I don't know yet, lets just call it the other side. Then by tomorrow maybe I can do the final sanding and oil it up. This one seems to be coming along faster than previous ones, maybe I am getting better at this? I dunno. I do know I have to start thinking again what is next. Usually I have a long time between projects, but they seem to be getting closer together. I might have to go and look at my notes and sketches. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 19, 2020, 09:50:35 PM
now that is a table.  your wife will prob. want to keep it!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 20, 2020, 07:24:06 AM
Nah, she doesn't want to replace the trunk we have as a coffee table. I will add it to the stock to see if someone wants it.
 I did go back out last night and add another coat of oil to the leg set.

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Then I flipped the top and did some small pours on the other side. Maybe today I can finish sand it and get a coat of oil on that. Then begin the final finish either tonight or tomorrow.

 In other news I checked into my work email and find that my department has been transferred to a new boss. Had they done this years ago, I might still be working there. On the other hand, they have appointed a new production manager, who knows nothing about making parts, so that isn't going to go very well. I wish them well, but I am not too hopeful. Still glad I am making the move.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 20, 2020, 08:44:00 PM
Well another busy and unprofitable day here at Woodsman Forest Products. ;D But it did mark 3 days in a row I stayed out of trouble and kept busy. (This might be do-able!)
I wasted some time doing 'market research' this morning (perusing FB marketplace, and CL), then I checked my sketch book for new projects to start. The project in my head after that disappeared after I stepped in the shop. :D I went to work on that table top, sanded off the epoxy on both sides and started working down to a nice smooth 'baby bottom' finish, then I oiled it with Tung oil and the RO popped up beautifully. The live edges soaked that stuff right up like it wasn't even there, so I will be going out in a little while to do it again. I also found which side I will be using for the top. The best meduallry rays will sadly wind up on the bottom, but there is some fair stuff on the top and a tiny bit of spalting in the live edge to be seen. This is the top side.

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I am fairly happy with it. SO far it has gone fairly quickly, but the final finish is yet to come which is where I get picky and waste a lot of time.
After lunch I headed back out to the swamp and mill area. It is still too messy for my liking and I had a pile of slabs that were now in the way since I expanded my area. So I cleared some stuff up then cut all the pine slabs and stacked them so they can dry off the ground. There are a few hardwoods in there, but not much. I have another pile of those on the other side I will attack soon. What wasn't good for slabs fed the various firewood piles. The pine slab will get turned into fire pit benches, and the hardwood will be for better stuff. WV knows what I mean.

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The pile will get bigger in a few days when I do the hardwood. But I am making working room. I cleaned up that pile and everything around it, including an HF antenna that had been half buried there for 25 years. I had to get the mule to yank the coax out from under the dirt. The important thing is I am clearing working space and now trying to parse out how to best use it. I see a bit more backbreaking hand work to make things better. Wish I had a dozer for a day and some big loads of fill.  ;D Still I like it, it is coming along. This was a mess of clutter last week.

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I knew when I was throwing that stuff in piles I was making a mess I would have to deal with and now I am.  Lots of time and effort spent trying to reclaim a few hundred square feet,but it's what I've got to work with. This was the mess I started with today and it is gone now.


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But, there is always more to do. I am hoping this leads to something that allows me to bring in some money at some point. I know one thing, if you have orders and paying work, you need an efficient work space. So that is what I am focusing on now.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on May 20, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
The table top you showed was really nice.  Like the rays in the red oak.   

It is hard not to toss things aside sometime even when you know you will need to pick it up later.  Then later comes around and it is like 'why did I do this... I'll do better next time!'  but it never seems to happen.  At least it has not happened yet for me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 22, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
Yeah, I wasn't avoiding work when I threw that stuff in a pile, I was trying to make time. It was cold and snowing and I had to get a loft built. I knew it would wait for a sunny day and be a lot easier to handle.

 Yesterday I did nothing. Felt poorly all around, thought I might be getting a cold or something and that bruise on my tailbone was really hurting a lot. It made me miserable as I could not find any position that was comfortable, even fell asleep on the couch for an hour in the afternoon, which is not normal for me at all. All I did was some sanding and put a first cost on the new table project. I was in bed by 9.
 Today, was better. Up and out on time, but I never made it to the shop. When I stepped outside it was SO nice that I decided it was time to see if the yard tractor would fire up, and it did, so I mowed the lawn. It looks good, then I attacked the last slab pile I have here (I still have a big one down at the old mill site to clean up). But before I could do that I had to put the new tire on the trailer, I was tired of blowing that tire up every time I needed to use it.

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I got the tire changed and then had to make a quick run out. Our neighbors just down the road have a new album releasing today. This was supposed to come at the end of their Australian tour and just before their US tour and in the midst of all this they are doing it from home and through social media. I felt badly for them with the investment they have in this project and they are dear friends making some very special music. So I had sent them an email and asked if I could drop by and pick up a copy of the CD today, so I did that around mid-day then ripped it onto my phone and played it on a loop all day. An amazing body of work that has me enthralled. But I digress. 
 I pulled that slabs out and looked them over and trimmed the junk, some I just completely cut up. I made a mess.

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But I wound up with a few on the trailer that went on the pile.

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And I cleaned up my mess (I had to so I could get the tractor through there to put it away).

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That little pile will get moved when I make a place to stack the shop firewood but that is another project, cleaning up the side of the shop, that mess had a 20 year birthday a few years ago.(Actually if you look past the trailer in the 3rd photo above, you will see the mess to which I refer, along the whole length of the building.) But things are looking better and I had zero time in the shop today. Tomorrow it should rain, so I will get back to it then. It will give me more time to study this new CD. The creation of good music always puts me in awe, such a gift that is.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 24, 2020, 06:50:18 AM
Kind of an off day yesterday. I did a bunch of chores and some cleanup but nothing worth talking about. In the morning I sanded and redid my first coat on the table and legs. I am beginning to have a lot of trouble getting a decent finish without blotches, lump, or dips and I can't figure out why. Last night I looked it over and tried to touch up just smaller sections and I think I made it even worse. The stuff looks pretty good in photos, but no so great in real life. I am beginning to think my urethane is getting too old. It is nearly a year ago I bought it and those cans have been opened and closed a lot of times. It seems a little thicker than it used to be even after stirring.

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I guess I will sand it all again today and take another shot.

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Perhaps it's the humidity? But under varying conditions I still get poor results. I gotta figure this out. Finishing takes time but doing it 4 or 5 times before it gets fairly 'OK" is a bit much.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 24, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
humidity can be an issue. also if you start with oil it is usually recommended to wait 72 hours before adding a top coat.  another option is to just go with an oil finish with a paste wax for protection, but it will not last without some maintenance.  the table looks good.  the wood clear so not a knot.  I sometimes will wipe down with mineral spirits after a light sanding.  just throwing out some ideas.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 24, 2020, 07:57:17 PM
All good points Doc, I will try the mineral spirits, that just sounds like a good idea. This was bothering me so much that I made the run into town right after my morning post (bad idea, even early on a Sunday of a holiday weekend, there were lines of contractors trying to beat the weekend warriors and a few weekenders in there also) and I just got one quart of urethane.
 Turned out, that was it, my stuff was old. The new stuff went on PERFECT! 

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So after that I needed a new project for the day. I decided to attack a set of benches and do a bunch of them to really find out what kind of time I put into these things. I had 6 slabs waiting and dry, so I took them out to work in the sun. I stripped the bark by hand or with a draw knife as required. Did a rough sand on the tops with 36 grit, the new belt sander worked well for that, then another pass on all with 120 grit. Then I flipped them and did them all on the round side with 80 grit in a palm sander to remove  loose fibers, dirt, and irregular spots. Somewhere in between I did the ends and rounded the corners. Worked up a pretty good sweat. I also trimmed a couple with the chainsaw.


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Then I got that old can of urethane and used it up on the round sides of these to get a first soaking coat on. Man they got really dark, not sure I like them that way.


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See that first one in the foreground? It looks like ash, right? And it has all those bugs tracks in it like EAB, but it's maple. I am wondering what makes those tracks? Holy cow, this thing is riddled with them. It looks really nice with the urethane.

 It's Sunday, so I had to play a little. I took one of the cut-offs and made a slot in the pig bench with a chainsaw to shove the slab into for a seat back. Mixed results, but my free-handing skills are getting better. Well, maybe just a little.

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 All in all, not a bad day. I cut it short because my daughter came over for 'a talk', that required my full attention so the rest of the afternoon was taken up in that. But I did get something done. Tomorrow I have to make legs for all this stuff. ;D I don't enjoy making legs. I need 24 for the 6 slabs. Maybe I will try so new options, as soon as I think of them. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 25, 2020, 08:50:51 PM
Weird day. A holiday for sure, but none of the remembrance and recognition that usually accompanies it. Just stayed home and worked and thought about those who had given us so much. Seemed like a lot of folks traveling here and there and I didn't want to add to any of that.
 First thign this morning I did something dumb. Was making my eggs and sausage and sloshed the fat and butter from the frying onto the forefinger in my left hand. I knew that would hurt a lot more later and sure enough, once again I was right.
 Today was 'leg day'. I had to make at least 25 legs for all those bench slabs. I was not looking forward to it. I planed the 2" stock I had down to 1-3/4 (roughly) square. I sanded a point on the ends and then stuck 'em in a vise and ran the tenon cutter on. To clean them up I sanded everything sort of smooth after. Tough work on the wrists and forearms for me. I alternated the tasks doing about 4 at a time. By about 2 pm blisters has raised up on that burn. SO I followed the protocol and covered it up. 

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Hey, I found this bug hanging out, does anybody know what it is? Seems to like my wood.

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Not much exciting about making a pile of legs, so not putting up any photos of the same old legs. My son was over working on his truck today and he brought this fir pit a client had thrown out because the bottom rotted thru. Nice sized and he wanted to help me burn up my bark piles while he worked on the truck. I laughed and said 'go for it, knock yourself out'. We ran about 8 wheel barrow loads through it today and didn't make a dent in the pile. Using a little forced air sure did help move things along more quickly. If I could find a way to hook up a blower and just leave it going all day, I could really feed all this junk in faster. I have a huge bark pile and about 1/2 cord of old rotten firewood driving me crazy. 


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  That blower makes it like a blast furnace. Sound like a hot air balloon taking off.
 Tomorrow I will gt back to normal a bit without the distractions. Put legs on all the tables and work on finishing up that coffee table.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on May 25, 2020, 08:54:13 PM
It is a pine sawyer beetle. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 25, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
What do they eat? Should I be concerned with the hardwoods?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on May 25, 2020, 09:00:50 PM
I have only seen them at my softwood pile. They can find fresh cut eastern white pine. My Father and me cut some pine back in '93. No pine had been cut on our land for probably 100 years, Them critters found the pine. We could hear them making holes and see the sawdust come out.
Get a OWB.  :D  That's where all my dead wood goes. Seems to be a never ending supply of dead wood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on May 25, 2020, 09:05:02 PM
They infest conifers.  There are other different beetles that infest hardwood.  There is a beetle for most every kind of wood. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 25, 2020, 09:09:48 PM
OGH,

   What size tenons are you making for your bench legs? Planing down to 1-3/4" seems a bit small for me but my tenon cutter leaves a 1-1/2" tenon/peg that is 3" long. I cut my leg stock 3" and lately 2-1/2". I think I may have used as small as 2" stock. If you are using the same kind of tenon cutter I am, yes, it is hard on the wrist. I usually use a draw knife to remove the corners before using the tenon cutter. Which reminds me my cutter blades need sharpening. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: btulloh on May 25, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
@Brad_bb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6191) uses a burn barrel design that’s real good at getting rid of everything including sawdust. I couldn’t find the thread just now, but it’s here somewhere. Not fussy to use and is real good at sucking O2. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 25, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
I use 1-1/2 also. I found that the 2" stock seems like overkill, but I could be wrong. The tenon cutter runs onto the smaller stock easier. These legs are red oak, so pretty sturdy.
 As far as that bug goes, I do have some EWP laying about. I guess that is what they are after. I will keep and eye out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Brad_bb on May 26, 2020, 12:01:42 AM
@btulloh (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=29962)       Here is the video I used to make my first one.  What I do that he doesn't is that I stack a second vortex barrel on the first for a hotter cleaner burn due to the chimney effect.
 https://youtu.be/-0J0zRiDAmE

Here is my video showing double versus single.  Almost no smoke with the double and burns hotter and faster.
Double Vortex Burn barrels - YouTube (https://youtu.be/dfSvvNui2Uk)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2020, 12:50:58 AM
OGH,

  Yeah the heavier legs are likely overkill for the strength and weight requirements but I kind of like the bulkier look of them for rustic benches. I can see where 1-3/4" stock would sure be a lot easier to turn down with a tenon cutter. TEHO.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on May 26, 2020, 10:15:58 AM
You retired fellas are making me feel bad with all you are accomplishing..my progress comes in fits and starts...I tried 3 inches but 2 3/4" fit into the throat of my tenon cutter better,  I got 16 legs squared up yesterday on the jointer and cut 8 tennons, between other projects and rainfall. I'm going to try 2 1/2" it should work fine, after all an inch and a half diameter of wood is doing the work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2020, 10:53:22 AM
   My favorite legs are actually probably the quarter round ones I get when I quarter a straight 5-6 inch diameter log. I like to turn that rounded side out. 

    BTW, since my tenons often are a little off center I also keep a good size pipe wrench handy to turn the legs once driven into the mortise. Often just turning them a small amount will help line up the leg where I want it to go and sometimes even adjust the angle of the leg in or out a noticeable amount.

    I really like the 1-1/2" auger bit instead of using the spade bit or Forstner bit. I hope one day to find a boring machine to use instead of the half inch wrist breaking drill. I wonder if anyone has ever tried using an old ShopSmith and attaching the tenon cutter head instead of  drill bit on the boring option? I would need about 2' of length as that is about standard for my starting leg length. I may start with a leg as short as 20" but nothing less. I don't know if a SS has the power or how hard it would be to clamp them in the lathe since one end has to be free to cut the tenon on it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 26, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
 
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What up Benches? in General Woodworking (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=105007.msg1663299#msg1663299)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on May 26, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
If I had more than a "mister" drill press sitting on my work bench top. It's better than nothing but no way to do that. Kinda like the "Mr Microscope" I had in Jr high... that is for sure a better setup than mine.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 26, 2020, 12:46:49 PM
Nebraska I was right there with just a very few days ago. I was so sick of hearing my retired friends say "When you are retired, every day is Saturday!" I wanted that too, and now I have that. It just dawned me yesterday that in my world, I would spend all my available time during the week setting up for my weekend so I could work like mad to get everything done. Now that every day is 'Saturday' I am working my butt off nearly every day. This is gonna kill me at some point. I work each day until I am too pooped to do more. I have to re-think this. Yesterday i made up 24 legs and cut and tenoned them and did a few other things I have forgotten about. This morning I light sanded the coffee table, put another coat of urethane on the top and legs, made the locating blocks for the underside, drilled and screwed them in place.
 Then I went out and did another coat on the bottoms of those 6 benches and did a first coat on the 24 legs. Pooped by 11:30.
 I just like the appearance of the thinner legs. On the other hand I am coming around to making some benches flat on both sides. I came across some slabs in the pile that just might work well for a test.
 Now I have to fill up the afternoon. :D But the wife wants a live edge planter.
 On that burn barrel, that was more of a short term thing for me. Just cleaning up old rotten stuff that has no heat value. Its been laying around over 5 years. I was thinking about Brad's setup and I could find the thread either. Unless I really have time to kill it's too much for me. The spark plume coming out of that thing makes it tough for me to find a safe place to run it. Too much overhead around here except the middle of the back lawn.Once I am done with the cleanup I can keep up with all the routine burning. Brad, where is that thread?
 OK, break is over, back to work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on May 26, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
I don't know if a SS has the power or how hard it would be to clamp them in the lathe since one end has to be free to cut the tenon on it.
I have the original Shopsmith 10er (actually 3 but 1 is assembled).  The beauty of these machines is the versatility.  In the lathe configuration, it is also a horizontal boring machine.  You keep the table on it and clamp your stock to it.  You can raise and lower the table to get the stock lined up.  You can slide the table and your stock so it hits the tail stock for extra support to keep it from wanting to push away as you drill.  Most have the original 1/2 hp motor but you would have it belted down to half-speed so you should have plenty of power.  I have a 3/4hp on mine.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 26, 2020, 04:10:02 PM
I made one (fire barrel) like Brads, and it works well.  he posted his video on reply earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
   Now you guys are making me envious. I like Doc's set up with the drill press and the clamp/vice arrangement there to make the tenons. I don't think my little 5 speed HF drill press has the uummpf to do that. So @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) when you get a box with 50-60 bench legs you know why. :D Be sure to ship them back by cheap freight. ;D

   
@ljohnsaw (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20640)  thanks for the info on the ShopSmith. One of these days maybe somebody will pay me to haul one off for scrap. I keep trying swap for a load of lumber but for some reason I keep finding the guys getting rid of their woodworking tools are generally not too interested in trading for lumber. Who'd have thought it? ::) ::)

    I have serious shop envy too. I am working mostly outside. I have a rough table built on to the front of my first lumber shed with an outlet there to run a drill, the drill press, belt sander, table saw, etc. I have a RAS built into a table on the other end of the shed about 25' away. When it rains I can have mud inches deep out there to contend with.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 26, 2020, 05:42:05 PM
the tenon cutter manufacturers really discourage a drill press, but they make little horizontal braces to hole the drill.  I use it the other way to do compound angles on my benches, and do not like to keep changing it back and forth.  send me some.  If I go visit my aunt in Virginia, we will drop them off.   :)  or if VT has a solar drying class!  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 26, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
WV I like the through tenons, but find it hard to get a clean exit with my forstner bits, especially at compound angles of about 10 to 13°.  so I make them blind tenons.  if they are loose, I have cut a groove in the tenon, and sized a wedge to go into the slot as I drive the tenon (leg) into the mortice.  I always use glue (titebond 3),  known technique but not sure what to call it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 26, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
Howard, you shouldn't be too envious. I like working outside and had begun making a usable workspace at the old mill site and am just now starting to do it over up here behind the shop (refer to all the cleanup photos and references in prior posts) I have no covered outdoor space, so I envy you that. Still have to make a proper bench, maybe this week.I have been working all winter on the inside space as you know, but now when we have these few weeks when the weather is just right, I want to do everything outside (until ti gets uncomfortable). ALso, our outdoor seasons up here are a bit shorter than yours, and even Doc's. 6 weeks ago I was jealous of the weather and work conditions he had (home type work, not his work type work, I would not take that on for any money ;D).
 Those tenons really take a toll on me and my arms. I am seriously considering making one of those rotating table saw jigs that makes perfect tenons, every time. But I find the jig a little scary. What if the blade catches it and everything flies? Maybe I should just try it. If it works, I could really crank out some legs. (There was a thread here about it a year or two ago.)
 I have a confession. I am finding that I seem to be limited to only 6 or 7 hours work a day before I am pooped out. Now to be fully clear, those hours are pretty much flat out work with not a lot of thinking time involved, there is nobody here to talk to or have coffee with, there are no runs out for materials or anything like that. Straight work, but after that, I look around for easy stuff to do like clean something up, sharpen tools, or mow the lawn. (Don't tell the wife, but I might even be watching a movie or something.)
 After dinner I will put up a post with today's misdeeds. But I really need a shower first.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2020, 08:31:23 PM
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) ,

  Because I make my mortises at an angle I have not had any luck getting the Forstner bit to work so I used the spade bit but I am really liking this 1-1/2" auger. I start from the top and find I really need the bench top resting tightly on a piece of scrap stock so the bit does not break out as badly if at all. Here is the auger bit.


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 I feel this is making a cleaner cut even at angles. I also sometimes drive a metal sledgehammer wedge into the end of the tenon after I have cut off the excess. That really tightens the tenon in the mortise. If you don't like seeing the metal wedge you could countersink it with a little flat bar then fill in the gap with wood or putty. Yes, I glue the tenon before driving it into the mortise and cutting off the the excess with the Japanese pull saw.

  If you get to Va Tech you are 66 miles from my house. I don 't know how far it is to your Aunt. :D

OGH,

  The table saw technique for making tenons is impressive but it cuts a flat surface at the base of the tenon while my Lumberjack tenon cutter leaves a 60 degree shoulder which is handy since I am putting my legs on at an angle. Since you are using rounded slabs with the round on the bottom the angled shoulder looks like it would be an advantage for you too.

  I make benches sometimes where the top is only 6-7 wide so the angled legs are critical for stability as they would fall over too easily if drilled in straight. The angled legs make cutting to length on the mill another advantage as the mill cuts the same height an angle on each leg so they sit perfectly square to the floor or deck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 26, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
OK, I had dinner and a shower and they were both great. :D The temp hit 87°, never saw that coming. My feet were on fire.
I started the day in the shop. I cut some blocks to locate the top on those legs, drilled and screwed them in place. My intent is that these will locate the top centered on the legs and keep it from moving, but make it easy to remove the top for transport. The top is heavy enough that it really does not need to be screwed down.
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I stood it up to get a look and it doesn't look too bad.

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I took the top off and threw a coat of urethane on the blocks, then flipped it, did a light sanding on the top and did a second coat on that. I also sanded and touched up the legs in some spots.
Then I headed outside. I took all the legs and laid them out and put a first coat of urethane on them. It's easier to do when they are un-assembled and it goes fairly quick. Then I did a second coat on the bench bottoms.

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It was getting hot, especially in the sun. It was 11:30 so I took lunch. That little burn I got yesterday had blistered up by last evening so I covered it with a gauze pad. This morning I needed to put a clean one on and when I took the old one off, this is what I found.

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It's a pretty healthy blister now and I know from experience, if these are not protected and kept clean, they can get pretty painful  at least, and easily infected at worst. SO I re-dressed it and was careful all day not to break it. I re-dressed and checked it twice during the day. All good. Even managed to scrub the pine sap of my hands twice today without breaking it. Tonight I left it dressed for my shower and when I went to put a dry one on later, I found it had popped. So I drained it and am letting it air dry. I will cover it again before bed. It worries me a bit because I know a blister this size can sideline me for a few days if I can't keep it clean.
Anyway, after lunch I figured I would keep the wife happy and make those planter boxes she wanted. An hour or so later they were done.

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Just quick and dirty was what she wanted, and what she got. It's very fresh pine so I was wearing a lot of sap. ;D After that I cleaned up the tools and covered the mill. I did a few odds and ends in the shop, sanded some cookies I have been working on forever, and checked the drying progress on the top (looking good).
Al in all not a bad day. I have to start getting back in the zone to go in and finish up work on Friday. To that end I had an hour long phone conversation today with my new boss ( as of last week, our department was transferred to another manager). So that was a bizarre combination of a 'getting to know you" interview combined with a "nice working with you/ exit interview". :D I am going to have to spend some time shaving to get cleaned up, the beard is getting ugly and out of control. It is actually on my 'things to do' list this week. I just can't seem to make time for it. ;D
Just saw your new post Howard. I had problems with the forstener bits also doing angles, especially in round bottoms. Here is how I do it: I start the bit (slow) square to the surface, then without pushing it to drive it, once the center is holding I begin to lift the drill to the angle I want so it only cuts on the one side, once I hit the target angle, then I begin the push to go through. My problem is getting the same angle on all 4 legs. :D I'll try to get some better detail photos on how I do this, or maybe a video if I get adventurous. ;D To prevent the breakout issues I put a nice flat piece on hardwood under it to drill into. I also do not do any final sanding until the legs are in, glued and sawed off. By then, any little chips seem to never be an issue.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
   When I first started making benches I experimented with a jig to cut the mortises all the same angle but I quickly abandoned that and now I just free-hand them. The tenons also often cut at a bit of an angle instead of perfectly in line with the leg so angling the leg a bit with a pipe wrench also adjusts the angle of the leg in or out.  Cutting on the mill resolves the final angle making it, the base cut, 90 degrees to the deck even if the legs are not all perfectly aligned at the same angle. I can honestly say every bench is one of a kind and not a boring assembly line product.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on May 26, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
I am looking so forward to being retired!!!!!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 26, 2020, 09:36:57 PM
Howard, you mentioned square corners in the tenon. This is the jig type I had in mind. There is a thread here on the forum with a different jig, but I just can't find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWr14AbgUCY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWr14AbgUCY)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: moodnacreek on May 26, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
I tell people I am retired to get them to back off. Need to close to get caught up sawing. The walnut logs [4000] feet are starting to slip the bark and crack and I have beautiful cedar that is end checking. I have everything I wanted 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 27, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
   Pretty neat video and that would leave you a shoulder to better fit your benches. I don't think this is the same video I saw. I think in the one I saw the table saw blade was at a 90 degree angle to the wood being turned down. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 27, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
Well the heat continued to roll in today. I already found myself getting out earlier to beat it a bit.
 Today I put the table together and took some photos to post. Just one here, you guys know what a coffee table looks like.

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Then I went out and dug the rototiller out of the equipment hut. Got the tiny garden turned over for the wife. I used to be out there with a bottom plow and disk harrow when it was considerably bigger, but as we get older, it gets smaller. Maybe next year I will expand again if I am willing to take care of it myself. Busting sod is no fun though.


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After that it was pretty hot, I had worked up a healthy sweat, and that burn on my hand was stinging again. I did some cleanup work in the shop (ok, I swept up and  filled a barrel with sawdust and got it on the compost pile) and some other odds and ends. As long as I had the rototiller out, I dug into the equipment shed and pulled out my simplicity tractor to get it running and use it for a towmotor around the mill with the little trailers and such. Always a handy little machine, but I haven't used it in 2 years. My son used it last year on an estate yard cleanup but I figured it was dead, so I didn't even try, just pushed it out. Before I hooked up the charger, I turned the key just for giggles and it turned over. In a few seconds it started up!

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It's  a nice little tractor for pulling stuff around the yard. I just have to rig up a trailer ball on it. I used to have a pintle hitch on the back, but I took it off to use on the truck. I could pull a yard trailer with the pintle. Now I need to add a ball. Always something to do around here. So I didn't get much done today, but I did start working on my loafing skills. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on May 27, 2020, 10:39:05 PM
That table looks sharp. It won't last long.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 28, 2020, 08:38:54 AM
I hope you are right. Lots of nice comments from folks, but no takers so far.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 28, 2020, 08:51:48 AM
OGH - remember the sage advice posted elsewhere here on the FF "Never plant a garden bigger than your wife can hoe."

  Good looking coffee table. I hope it sells quickly and for a lot. I know the buyer is going to ask "Can you make me a couple of end tables just like it to match?" :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 28, 2020, 09:04:01 AM
That would be nice. but beyond facebook I really don't have any outlets built up for this stuff just yet. The table did generate an inquiry for outdoor benches, but I am waiting to hear back so I can tailor what I have to what they want.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 28, 2020, 10:40:46 AM
OGH,

   I have several of my benches scattered in various local shops for sale on a consignment basis. I get a little advertising and occasionally they even sell one for me but if nothing else the benches are housed in covered, climate control storage and leaves my home storage available for something else. You might look into that as an option. The worst the vendor can say is no - he can't eat you. I had a vendor a couple weeks ago say no to some tomato stakes but she took my cards and sent me a customer a day or so later.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 28, 2020, 04:02:11 PM
Yes, that is not a bad model. My wife has stuff in several shops, but hardly any of them are open right now. It will be a while. When I get a few more pieces made, I was considering loading them on a trailer and putting them on the front lawn during the day, then parking them in the shop at night. I might get some drive by's or at least get the word around.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 28, 2020, 04:25:41 PM
   Weather permitting I plan on taking a load to the flea market this weekend. it was open last weekend and I went to shop but rain scared me off. If fact it rained on me as I was getting ready to leave so probably best I did not take any. I take a load a couple times a season and sell a few tomato stakes, a few odd pieces that I rescued from the trash (It is strange what sells sometimes) and other small pieces and usually pick up a mobile sawing job or two in the process. I give out lots of business cards and talk to people. I even took the mill one trip last summer which was good advertising too. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 28, 2020, 06:08:35 PM
The farmers markets here are just beginning to open "by appointment only" (limited access) and they are only for food products. It will be  a while yet. There was one singular street fair I had picked out to be the goal for my 'opening' out in the middle of the Catskills in Roxbury. It was canceled a month ago. That HAD been my target goal. I Like that show, small home town crowd, nice folks, easy setup and take down, even saw some folks I know. But that ain't happening. SO I am re-thinking. I am still working on forming up my 'creative juices' and shedding the corporate world once and for all time. :)
 Today, I accomplished nothing at all. I am distracted by having to go in for my last day tomorrow. I have to pack up my stuff here at the house after COB today and get my head back in that game...for a day. To that end I went to a local shop and picked up a tool I had loaned them from company stock, I need to get that back to the engineer. I went to Lowes when I was in town and picked up some odds and ends. I hate that store, nothing is where you expect it and they don't put the store locations on their web page so I can look them up ahead of time. Anyway I did manage to find the table leg plates I wanted. I picked up beer and came home to my wife complaining loudly that her routine prescriptions were available for pickup at the pharmacy, BUT our insurance was denied so we had to pay full cost. After contacting my HR department for help (useless) I spent over an hour on the phone with no less than 5 different representatives (giving all my personal info to each one in turn), Finally figured out that the billing clerk at the pharmacy may have been sampling the goods and tried to charge it to our new policy which does not go into effect until 6/1. Got it all fixed but I was all kinds of torqued up because I thought maybe my company had cut off our insurance early as a 'parting gift". It wouldn't be the first time they had given a retiree a 'surprise parting gift'. (Actually most of our retirees have been screwed in one form or another by last minute changes in the "benefits plan" necessitated by the changing business environment, meaning "we didn't reap as much profit as we wanted and we figured out a way to take the money from you").
 Then my son (he has a property maintenance business) had asked me to open up an estate for the oil burner service guy because he is slammed with work right now. So I went over and did that and killed the time by perusing the owners collection of Winchester commemorative rifles and his artwork (lots of Remington paintings and sculptures). Then back home again and I sent out my 'farewell' email to my co-workers telling them tomorrow was my last day in the office, then an hour of answering the replies. I won't see most of the office folks, they are still working from home, but I will get to say goodbye to the folks in the shop, where my heart is, so that is good. Sorry to miss the afternoon shift though.
 So yeah, a lost day thinking about 'stuff' too much. The only thing I did do was bring in all the benches and legs that I had drying outside. We have about 40 hours of light rain coming in. Tomorrow I am sure will also be lost, but when I get back to work, I have a lot of legs to install in bench seats.

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Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 30, 2020, 07:09:41 AM
Well, that is that then. The job is done. Last day yesterday,, I went in and closed out my stuff, turned in my credit card, keys, gear, etc and took a few remaining personal items out of my office. (I forgot to take my clock off the wall and could use that in the shop.) I said good bye to some of the fellas and gals and collected some phone numbers to stay in touch. Funny, one of my co-workers owns the property that abuts mine and I have known him for over 30 years and never had hi phone number. He lives down in town, so I keep an eye on his place. (I sure would love to buy that piece.), 
 Anyway, when I got home I was a little depressed or something. I had spent more than an hour of my time at work on the phone with the Medicare part B people working through a total screw up and their end and now I am afraid I will have no health insurance for a few more weeks. Very upsetting. My agent says not to worry, it's all gonna be fine, but I was seething and it put me in a very foul mood. Not the way I wanted to spend my morning and it took me some effort to shake it off, but I did make the rounds and get out. I did nothing all afternoon except mope around, no energy. I don't know why. It would have been real nice to have a few friends and neighbors over for a beer around the campfire to make a nice evening of it, but the weather killed that idea with some steady rain coming in at just the wrong time and it rained through the night off an on. Now it's a grey, wet morning.
 I got an inquiry to make a table from my former boss, but I don't really think they know what they are asking for and it is a bit frustrating trying to parse out the details with them. They have a table they want to replace with one similar, but a little longer. SO the top is 34 x 60 and they want it 42" TALL (THAT IS BAR HEIGHT). They also want an X-leg design like on the classic farm table. I don't like these and I don't make them. Most times they come out looking like a stack of box store framing pieces nailed together. Great for a backyard, but not really nice for inside the home, in my opinion. Yes, I have seen plenty of nicely done executions of this design but they require a lot of fancy molding and edge work to make them look nice. The table they have is of this design, heavily distressed and made of pine. Everything is rounded and gouged and beat up looking (I know, it was a popular style back in the 70's). The legs appear to be made from 2x4's and 4x4's and not impressive at all. They call it 'unique'. They don't know pine from oak and they don't understand what properly done live edge is. (They think it will peel off.) I wound up by offering to make a new top to put on their existing legs. I also tried to offer making a nice table with a proper skirt and turned legs they could choose from a supplier. No go. They want 'unique'. Those legs will take a lot of time and material to make and won't look very impressive when done. The cost on this table would be considerable with the legs and I don't think they would be ready to pay that. (They have the money, but...) As it is, this will need to be a glue-up of several pieces to make the width they want. I am not sure I am ready to get involved in this quite yet, and that thought bothered me also. Too much thinking on a day I was already doing too much thinking.
 I went to bed early.
 Got up early too, not feeling too much better but I am going to try and adjust my attitude and get something accomplished today. I really would like to do something different, go visit a friend or something, but that isn't in the cars for a while yet. I notice the local government is pushing to get businesses open again and people back to work, but they are not so anxious to get the county offices back open. I need to get my business registered and my license has expired and I can't renew it through the mail, it has to be in person. The DMV closed early on (the day I got my renewal notice) and there is no talk of them opening soon. This stuff is getting old fast.
 It's time for me to get on with it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 30, 2020, 09:36:58 AM
   Sorry for a bummer of a day. I hope the rest just get better from now on. I never did see if you decided to build the table for your old boss or not. Sounded like you were still pondering the proposal. I'd say if it doesn't feel right I'd pass and you can tell him you just would not be comfortable making something like he is describing. Sometimes dealing with friends and acquaintances  is harder than dealing with strangers.

 Our DMV has been shut down since the start of the pandemic and are doing a lot of their work on-line. I just had to renew my registration on my truck and did it on line then they did could not find my proof of property tax payment so I had to mail them a copy of the same form I used to get the reference number on-line. A couple weeks later they sent it to me. I tried to call and follow up a couple times and got a semi-polite message "We're too busy. Call later."

 Well, I better go start loading up a trailer to take some benches and such to the flea market tomorrow. I have 2 GDs with me going. Their mom's sister is coming by so we'll try to set up beside each other to help watch each other's stands. I told my 8 y/o gd I would put her on commission and explained it was a % and if she sold a $100 bench for a 1% commission she would make $1. She decided if she sells 100 benches she will make $100 so I may have to start taking orders. :D I made another raised planter yesterday to take and go make a few more bluebird boxes. That is a great use of short stuff as I can use a 1X6 as short as 10".
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 30, 2020, 10:32:31 AM
It is like having a spouse that you argued with constantly for 30 years.  you are still sad and grieve when they are gone.  transition.  sounds like you are doing well, starting up a retirement job.   :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on May 30, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
So as I read your post I wondered if you redo the top using their existing legs, you could  make a set of legs that matches the top using your vision....then  show them both, it's ok if they don't want your legs as you can then build a top then to match or modify them later....  I know it's piddle  work and it won't pay well,  just think you may surprise and educate them  and you will be more satisfied with the process in the end.  Heck you may turn their old top into something useful as well. Congratulations on the first day of your being your own boss in a while. I sincerely hope we all can go visiting and socialize as we see fit soon.   It's my wife's anniversary of her 29th birthday today we went to the cabin, we had plans hoping to go a neat older pizza joint in Yankton but it will be carry out only. At least we have that option. Hope you have a better day and can sit around a fire and enjoy a nice evening.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 30, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
Nebraska, I hope you sell bunch of stuff. But even if you don't, you will likely have a great day with the GD's! I had to read that sentence twice about your wife's anniversary, nicely put. :D
 Doc, I would suppose your are right. I am just working through the process.  Some things are not cleared up yet and my approval for social security has not come through yet and the insurance is also pending. I would just like to have that stuff cleared up and off my mind. I shouldn't worry, but I always fret these things too much before they are resolved.
 WV, it wasn't really a bummer day, I did finally close out over 48 years of working mostly in sweatshops or like conditions. I earned that. I just thought it would go a little different and having just a couple of folks over would have made a world of difference in my mood. Things are looking up today. I started two new tables of different designs.
 As far as that table goes, yeah, I was trying to figure out what was making me feel 'off' about it and I believe it is the request to make something totally out of my nature at the present time. I tried to offer them something substantially nicer than what they have and they are discounting suggestions and options without really understanding what they are. I am not going to build something totally on spec thinking they will like it when it's done only to have them object to some bizarre feature. Sounds like they want something custom made for a cheap price. When I told them a full table with their leg design made out of hardwood would run them around $2500.00 I never heard back.  :D ;D I don't think I would have charged that but I did want to see if they had an idea of what they were asking for.
 I don't mind modifying something I have made into the requirements of a client, that's what I like to do, but asking me to do something I have never done, that I don't like, and that looks pretty silly,is something that I will charge fairly and fully for. I don't want them saying (after it is done) 'Yeah, I see what you mean now, we should have done it different.' or "We don't like it". This isn't IKEA. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on May 30, 2020, 09:29:29 PM
after you get insurance and your first SS check, all will be well in The Land of Retirement.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 30, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
after you get insurance and your first SS check, all will be well in The Land of Retirement.
Indeed it will, I look forward to that peace of mind.
@wv sawmiller I did a video of the way I put holes in with the standard forstener bit. It works for me, I know you love your augur bit.

Angle holes with a forstener bit. (https://youtu.be/s_c4e6Mtowk)

 (Edit, I tried to edit to get the video to embed, but apparently I am doing something wrong so you will have to click on the link sorry.)
Here is a photo of the breakout hole I forgot to show in the video.

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Before the table work I had an idea for a couple of 2x2' tops, one will test a new leg design, and the other will go on a pedestal I have had for 35 years kicking around. Maybe I can finally sell it off after I paint it again (3rd time?). Here is glue up number 1.. I'll do the other glue up tomorrow. not enough beam clamps and I like to let them set up overnight.

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Then the grandson's showed up and I was prepared for them, I had too much to do today and they kind of messed me up a bit. I had to cut the lawn and get the house ready and a fresh cleaning on the bathroom downstairs, we were having just a few friends and neighbors come over to sit around the fire (at a safe distance, of course). I could do a retirement get-together, but dang if I didn't need to sit and chat and laugh with some friends. SO we did that in a large circle, listened to some music, drank some beer, talked guns, politics, social norms, current events, etc. Just a couple of hours, and it was good. It rained on us and we just sat there and talked thru it.
That dang burn on my finger was really slowing me down today. Keeping it clean is tough. Last night I took the dressing off to let it air out and I forgot to cover it before bed. During the night I ripped off the thin layer of skin on it. Now it is a LOT harder to keep clean and I am having a tough time dressing it and keeping it in place. It's ugly and tender.

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It stings a good deal of the time. I might have to wrap it up like a mummy tonight. Then tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on May 31, 2020, 12:48:42 PM
I would leave it open to air at night to form skin, cover during day!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 31, 2020, 01:14:42 PM
Roger that Doc! Good advice I will follow. I am never sure with these type things. I clean it 2 or 3 times a day and redress. The sensitivity is down quite a bit today and I am just avoiding getting any chemicals on it. Getting better each day, but who wants to slow down for a little thing like this? :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 31, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
OGH,

   Thanks for the video. The first thing I noted was the direction of cut. I start my mortise from top side of the bench so if there is any breakout when the bit comes through it is on the underside where it does not show. 

   I sold one cheap bench at the flea market today and a guy wanted me to cut a 4' RO LE slab with Lictenburg engraving in two and make 2 smaller benches for side tables. I was going to do it then thought better and agreed to make him 2 more out of LE RO slabs I have in stock and I will have the Lictenburg applied after the benches are made.

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 These are the slabs. I remembered when I install the legs I cut off the excess then sand to level the bench end with the bench surface. I figured I risk messing up the current engraving so I'll start with blank slab, add the legs then have it engraved. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 31, 2020, 08:10:31 PM
It never occurred to me that your were starting from the seat side of the bench. I could see the advantage of that giving you a clearer view of the angle in reference to the top of the bench which is not always easy from down below. But for me, it seems like it is very hard to prevent breakout issues on an irregular surface. That's why I go from the bottom. I never even thought of trying the other way. Maybe I will give it a shot and see how it works for me.
 Glad you sold at least one bench! Hope you had a nice day with good weather. What were the crowds like? Wondering how it is going to go here when those things can happen, will folks stay home, or come out?
 I had never heard of that Lictenburg process. I had to go look it up and watch some videos. Pretty neat, but not something I think I would get into. I don't think I have ever seen that around here at all. Wish we had 'a guy' for that. ;D I could see how it helps sell stuff.
 I agree, putting legs and sanding on a slab that is already through the process could be a mess and really mess it up. better to make the bench first and do the process last.

 For myself I didn't get a lot done. I did the next 2x2 table glue up, then worked on the one that I glued yesterday, cut it square and sanded it and cleaned up the live edges. The oak pieces in this have some nice rays showing.

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So I got that to the point of putting on the first coat of urethane, which is drying now. I might check it after I finish this, but so far it looks pretty good.

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 The grandsons were over when I was sanding this top and I found they are proficient at operating a vacuum cleaner, in fact they are enthusiastic. So we worked on refining their operating skills and taking turns. I am thinking next time they come over, if I can rig up one more hose, we can have a unit for each boy and instead of adding to the mess, they can be cleaning it up. As it is now they fight for who gets to use it. I will have to develop this further. ;D

 After they left and I had the finishing work done, I set about making the skirt material for one of the tables and got that planed and ripped to size. I have yet to figure out the legs. These will be taller, perhaps in the 28" range so tapering the legs, which appeals to me, is going to be more of a challenge. I also am considering buying legs just to see how that looks, just not sure what to do yet, so that's homework for this evening. I am getting short on material to choose from so will have to get some stuff milled soon to re-fill the pipeline.
 Anyway, a light day. I have not done all the leg holes for those benches but I did start gluing 2 today, so I have those to continue on, the 2 tables in work now and I have to start thinking about whats next. I need another drying skid before I get to milling a bunch of stuff, but I also need lumber to make it. So much to do, so little time.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on May 31, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
OGH,

   Remember both my bench surfaces are normally flat so I don't have to contend with that uneven starting surface but at least I understand your rationale better now. 

   The crowds were pretty good although not as much as last week which was first week open. I shopped but did not set up last week because of rain predicted and it did rain on me while I was there but it stopped and cleared up and the guys who went did pretty good. For my kind of products I don't need large numbers of people looking for a lot of cheap stuff, I just need one or two looking for something unusual. And I had several promise to come look at LE slabs and such for project. One couple was looking for someone like me for a source of wood for an outdoor bar for their deck. I expect to see them soon. We will see.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on May 31, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
Yeah, I completely forgot about how your are using sawn slabs, another thing I want to try, in fact I have a piece in my dried rack I keep looking at and trying to figure out what to use it for. It has a taper down the length and just never seems to have the dimensions I need when I am looking. It's 12' so I may chunk it up to make a bench or two and use the rest for other stuff after planing. But, I digress, I have had great success with that hardwood backer, rarely ever do I have a breakthrough problem.
 SO in my previous post this evening I mentioned that I needed another vacuum hose for the 3rd vacuum unit I have and I also mentioned I need lumber to build a drying rack out in what I call the swamp. I just finished that post and my son pulled in with his dump trailer to get the trash from the shop. He had left the trailer at a client's place so the client could use it for his deck demo (my son is building them a new one). As long as he is headed to the transfer station at 6am he figured he would take the shop trash also. He asked if I wanted anything off the trailer, and without looking I said "no thanks". He said, let me turn on the flood lights, you might wanna have a look. There were about a dozen 16' 2x6's with no rot, just some deck screws here and there. I changed my mind. ;D We had to fight them out, but we got them all. I should have enough for the drying rack and probably another lumber storage rack inside the shop. I may just have to buy a few cheap 2x4's There were two folding Adirondack chairs we took out to give us working room and take some weight off. Turns out one was in perfect shape and the other needs one board remade and one board glued. I took those also. Finally, there was 30' of 1-3/4 vacuum hose in very good condition. 
 So I guess all my wishes from the last post were granted. Pretty neat how that worked out. Weird, but pretty nice. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 01, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
we all have different styles, but you could also not go all the way through so the top is solid.  but I do like the end grain showing through.  the forstner bits work fine if you use a drill press.  I have a radial drill press with a bed that makes it a compound drill press.  If you arrive at a standard set of angles that you like, you can make a jig to use with a regular drill press to do the same thing.  the consistency does add to the professional look.  elegant rustic!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 01, 2020, 11:44:10 AM
   I feel/find I need at least 2" of tenon in the mortise to hold it tight. I used to make 4" benches and bury the 3" tenon in the wood without drilling all the way through but found the benches were too heavy and I also like the end grain appearance of the tenon showing through. If the slab is less than 2" I'd prefer to add a thin board on the bottom to make it thicker for more holding wood. I have tried adding screws angled through the tenon from the underside but did not like results. A drill press works fine for cuts straight down through the wood but unless you shim the top I don't see how you can angle the mortise very well. On a wide bench straight legs work fine but I like to use a lot of narrower slabs in the 6-8 inch widths and you have to angle the legs for stability in that case. I don't like the Forstner bit for that. I need a spade bit or my new favorite auger bit. Metal wedges in the top work great to tighten the tenon if it is a little loose. I can't drive wooden wedges in very easily so like the metal (sledgehammer type) wedges. I buy them by the pound from a supplier in Arkansas. If you don't like the appearance of the metal you can countersink them 1/4" or so and fill with wood or putty. I have been trying custom made putty with wood glue and sawdust from my belt sander to help match the wood color better. I need to find me a good flat piece of metal to use to countersink the wedges. That will not be hard to find or fabricate.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 01, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
Well, I think it's neat that we all have different approaches and all use the tools, skills, and materials we have available to make things for folks to sit on that they seem to like.  :D It all works and we do what we like, the way we like. They all look pretty dang good too!

 Tonight, once again I am pooped. With that unexpected load of 2x6's showing up last night my plans were changed. The mule was blocked in because of where we unloaded them (I wasn't thinking), so I used the lawn tractor and little trailer.  Turned out there were 15 2x6x 16' in that pile.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20200601_085351708_HDR.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1591052600)
 

It took about a 1/2 hour to get all the deck screws out, I only broke two and only missed one. ;D
I didn't stop to take photos much. I did all the cutting on my RA saw which is upstairs in the shop, so everything was moved up and then down again, which added time. Lots of stair climbing. All the legs on this are different length in order to keep it flat and level. It also partially straddles the drainage creek. I put a ridge over it to suspend a tarp to keep the sun and direct rain off. Working alone, some of this was a little challenging. To hang the ridge I threw a line over the post and hoisted up the ridge a little on each end until I had it within 2-4 inches of the top. The I lifted it in place on one end and put a nail in. Then I nailed the other end and came back and finished the first end. 

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I added some gussets for support, some legs on the mid-span to take out the sag. Called it done. Shot photos when finished so you guys would know I got something done today.

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 It measures 6'x16' and should help me get the drying a little more organized. I got wood laying all over and I can't find what I need, when I need it. This should help, but another day shot working on infrastructure, just shows how much organization I need. I can never seem to do enough. Early to bed tonight. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 01, 2020, 08:45:28 PM
OGH,

   Are those legs in the ground or mounted to concrete/stone footers? If not you might jack them up and put rollers  on them and move your shed wherever you want to change locations.  Easier than getting 400 Amish helpers  to move it. :D Looking good. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 01, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
Nope, that is just sitting on blocks. It could be picked up and moved by a few folks. I built it so that we could do that, I am not totally sold on the current location, but wanted to try it out for a start. And of course, an hour after I finished it, my son said he is wangling a deal with a buddy to come in the his mini-ex and do a little grading around the mill and the swamp to make it drain better and be a little more flat, so we will likely have to move it if that happens. ;D There isn't a lot that can be done without bringing in fill, but this is an area that was never tended at all and some simple work would make things a lot better...I hope. A lot of the lumps and grading blockages I have are a result of when my son borrowed a mini-ex when he was about 19 and 'made improvements' on our drainage issues as he was learning how to use the machine. I would love to have that finally fixed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 02, 2020, 09:06:33 PM
 Long day, or it feels like it anyway. It was very cool out today and solid overcast, so it was a shop day. It took me all day to make the legs for that 2x2 table. I had to rip down a plank to make the blanks, then plane them. Then I spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how to taper them with the stuff I had on hand. I finally figured it out and tapered them on two sides then sanded it all. I cut the skirt and was ready to try this new system for legs. I used Waddel corner plates. I thought I took specific photos of how they install, but apparently not. Anyway, it worked.

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I don't think it came out as bad as it could have. :D

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This is the only photo I have right now of the corner plates. Pretty simple installation, the trickiest part is getting the stud hole correct and at a good 45° angle on the leg.

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I am fairly happy with it. It's a neat way to make legs and attach them. You could change out the legs easy or adjust the skirt size after the fact by making new sides. Anyway, it's something I always wanted to try, so now I have. You can also use store bought legs with the system, so that is another advantage and a reason I wanted to try it out.
 I went out after dinner and put a first coat on the legs, another coat on the top, and some other stuff I have in work. Maybe I can do another tomorrow. I do have another top that is glued and cut square, but needs sanding and prep for finishing. I also have to work on the pedestal it is going on. Seems like the harder I work the more I have to do. I have been playing text and phone tag since yesterday with Bargemonkey to visit and pick up some logs and they are in his way, so I gotta move on that. I have a jointer to pick up, a planer to return, and just got a call tonight about some surplus cherry logs.  8) Looks like I will have some traveling in the next week or so. So is this what retirement is like? :D Officially retired two days and I am exhausted.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 03, 2020, 05:16:10 PM
Quitting early today. Feel like it was just a half day, but I did start around 7:30, so quitting at 5 doesn't seem to bad.
First, here is that photo I thought I took yesterday showing that leg/corner setup.

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I took that second 2x2 top and did all the sanding on it and cleaned up the live edge. I also touch sanded some some on the first top, the legs, and some cookies I have been working on forever. I wiped it all down with mineral spirits, and this is the newest top while I waited for it to dry out.

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I took a quick lunch and when I was done, ran over to borrow my son's dump trailer.  I brought it home and played with the electric brake adjustment so I was familiar with how it responded and what the working gain range should be. It has been a while, and this trailer I have never pulled, so it's best to know BEFORE I have a load of logs in it. ;D

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 Lastly, I found a tarp that was just the right size to cover that drying skid/deck, so I put that up.

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It will keep most of the sun and most of the rain off the wood. I added spreaders fore and aft to trim it off better. Now I just have to load it up!

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 It will do for now and we will see how long the cover will hold up. Right now I am just hoping for the summer.  (It was during this last 'operation' that I earned my latest entry into the 'did something dumb thread. ;D)
 I will probably go out again after dinner, but right now my back hurts a bit from all the sanding and finishing work. All that bending. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 04, 2020, 09:43:36 PM
Man it got HOT today. Hit just about 90 and I am not used to that yet.
 I got out in the shop and just put another coat of finish on the stuff that was ready. No photos of that, but they look fairly good so far.
 Then I headed outside to enjoy the beautiful day and let the shop alone so I wouldn't raise any dust. Time to move wood and get it stacked better now that I have two skids to use. I got out the lawn tractor and the little trailer. I think I pulled about 4 loads like this from my helter skelter piles and made and tarped over last fall. To be fair, I had a mess.

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It was like doing a large jenga puzzle fitting it all in and making best use of space. I fit it in as best I could. By 11am I was just soaked in sweat and my eyes were burning with salt. At the lunch break I put on shorts but kept the soaking wet shirt and hat. What's the point? Anyway, I got it all to fit in and I know I will re-arrange it when I start making lumber again. I need more stickers. ;D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20200604_141614312_HDR_-_Copy.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1591317729)
 
 Yeah, it's a mess based on the standards of most sawyers here. If I was edging everything to standard sizes it would be a lot easier. But I find that if I leave the live edges on, I have more options when I decide to make something. That's just me, and might change as I learn a better way, but for now that's it.
 I am using the original skid for the little bit of pine I have. I also have one more log to mill up.

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 I have been throwing a tarp over that one and I know that is not good. Today when I uncovered it I found a bunch of those tiny ants (I call them sugar ants, I don't know why) on the hardwood pieces I had in there. I need to get that tarp up in the air. That's another task for a different afternoon.
 I got all the hardwood on the new skid and this cleared up the two temporary stash points I had been using so that I can now stage logs there. My available wood is diminishing so I need to get more stuff in the pipeline...soon. Hopefully, with decent air drying, it might be ready to work by winter. I know that's probably too soon, but what else can a guy do? I need to stay busy through the winter or folks will think I am retired or something.
 By 2pm I was shot. I need to do something to fill out the day, so I washed the cars. Both needed it with all the pollen and tree stuff they were covered with. My wife's van was filthy. Shame on me. As long as the truck was clean I tried out those signs I got on a covid deal from one of the quick print places. 

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 I only got them to use for when the shows and flea markets come back. I don't plan on driving around with them. Not even sure how they will hold up. Also not looking to attract attention when I have a trailer on. ;D
 Anyway, another long day. I finally hooked up with Bargemonkey last night after 2 days playing phone/message tag. We both have lousy cell coverage (Welcome to the Catskills) and he has none up on his current cut. We made arrangements to get together Saturday, he has some logs for me and I am looking forward to breakfast at the Conesville Country Store again, even if it is takeout. Tomorrow the wife and I both have a chiro appointment and it's good timing after all the lumber moving today. I also got notification last night that my retirement and insurance have finally been approved by Social Security. Yay. That's a little weight off my mind, not that I was concerned, but it took so long I was worried about a bureaucratic screw up delaying everything and being uninsured. Things are moving along.
 Funny thought occurred to me last night. I have been working my skinny butt off for the last 3 months trying to get the shop started and it feels like all I have done is create more things I need to do. Each time I get something accomplished, I see 3 more things I have to do next. It's a little daunting. I know from experience (age) it's all good and will turn out fine, but for a few hours I was starting to re-think what I am doing and have doubts. Patience is something I have always lacked. :D I'll just keep on working and hope it all turns out OK. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 04, 2020, 09:51:18 PM
OGH,

  Are those magnetic signs or sticky back vinyl? I had a good magnetic sign for a year or so till it blew off. I tried a couple more and they blew off. I bought a pair of vinyl from a local lady and have gotten several jobs from them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 04, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
Magnetic. Vistaprint had a deal about 6 weeks ago when they were trying to drum up business and keep folks working. It was about 25 bucks for a pair. Its an experiment for me at this point.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 04, 2020, 11:28:42 PM
   Good luck keeping them on.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: RAYAR on June 05, 2020, 12:05:21 AM
  Good luck keeping them on.
One thing that didn't get mentioned here. How fast were you driving when you lost them?  ;) :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 05, 2020, 06:09:21 AM
yeah, it's a learning experience. We will see how it goes. I don't really plan on making a habit of running around with them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 05, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
   I left/leave mine on all the time. The one on the passenger door went bye-bye pretty soon after I got it. The driver side stayed on a year or more. When I lost it the local dealer had moved to Ga so I ordered from there and he shipped me a new pair and rolled them up to ship and they never stuck flat and blew off right away. I replaced with some from nearby town and they blew off on the way home. I gave up till I saw a lady in a small shop in town across from my barber had a screen printing business. I asked and she made me 2-12" X 24" black on white vinyl signs, we got them installed w/o too many bubbles and they have been on ever since. I drive at highway speeds up to 70 mph or so on the interstate.

  My best job this year was at Easter and was 4,000 bf of poplar mostly 8/4 framing 2.7 miles from my home. My neighbor, who I did not know. saw the local number while I was parked at a local store called and I got a good job and made a new friend as a direct result of the door signs.

  I think you need a sign on both sides full time and if I can figure how to get one on the back and the mill they should be there too. I often get people in a parking lot see it and they come over and we talk and I give them a card which I also always keep in the dash ready for such.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 05, 2020, 08:24:27 AM
BTW here is mine.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/Door_sign~0.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1591359842)
 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 05, 2020, 08:39:35 AM
We got those signs from Vista. I think we got a year out of them before they blew off. Might of been a good idea each time we washed the car to remove them and put them back on. But we never did that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 05, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
Yes, I can see how they would generate contacts and that was one of my thoughts. Until I really know exactly what I am doing (and that could take a while) I am keeping it simple. For reasons I would rather not detail, there are times when it is best I don't have them on. ;D But I will try them out for a little while around town, etc. I do hope they hold up a little better then yours. I don't do a lot of 70 MPH driving. They do stick flat (were shipped flat too), so maybe I will get lucky. If not, the next set will perhaps include a little more detail and a proper logo, something else I will be working on soon-ish. I am holding back until I get all the paperwork in order, and until they open the county offices,  I can't do much.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on June 06, 2020, 04:01:05 AM
Put 2 or 3 rare earth magnets 1" diameter on the front edge of the magnetic signs, helps keep them on. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 06, 2020, 07:57:34 AM
   I don't know if they are called rare earth magnets but I can say I am a big fan of the little approximately 1"X 2" X 3/8" HF magnets and the approximately 12" long strips. I keep the strips over my work area and stick drill chucks, bit, augers and even my draw knife up there handy. I learned of them after I had lost my signs but that might have saved them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 06, 2020, 08:31:15 PM
Well, yesterday I goofed off and just piddled around. We had our chiro 'tune-ups' and that blew the first half of the day and I could not get motivated the second to do much more than putter around.
 Today, there was no goofing off. A few days ago @nybhh (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38169) had offered me some 4' cherry logs left from some nice tress he took down. He was going to burn them otherwise. I jumped at it. I was supposed to meet Barge this morning, but he had his crew working overtime today to try and get the slash work done at thieir current cut, so we moved it to the afternoon. I contacted Brandon this morning and he said 'c'mon over'. Short logs don't bother me when they are something I  can't normally get. These will be perfect for table legs, table skirts, and I am sure a few other things.
 
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 I am tickled pink to have them. I spent way too much of Brandon's time, but we always talk a lot about many things when we meet. They have a new family member and I think she is sweet on me. I am a sucker for Lab puppies, sharp teeth and all, and she needed some socializing, so who am I to say 'no'? What a little doll. At the end of our visit she was pooped out and resting on my foot.

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Anyway, I got back home by 1, had lunch, unloaded the logs, hooked up the trailer and grabbed a saw and left to meet Barge at 2. It's a little over an hour drive, but needed gas and not being familiar with this trailer and it's brakes at all, I figured I would take my time. I arrived in mid-town Conesville about a 1/2 hour early, which would give me time to get a milk shake.  Barge had to swap trucks and get the log truck with a grapple. We went up to one of his cuts and pretty much parked and loaded in the road. Nobody came by the whole time. Doesn't he cut a handsome figure up on that seat?

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 He sure is handy with that grapple, throwing out to increase the reach and getting what he wants. Al the time there was this blonde lady in the cab I didn't get a chance to say hello too. In retrospect, that was pretty rude of me. Anyway, he loaded me up good. Perhaps, and I am not saying this is true, but perhaps, we loaded a tad much. ;D The drive home was, um, a test of my skills at some level. Let's just say I kept the speed low and avoided braking in so far as was possible. :D I arrived home safely with enough logs to keep me going for a while and build the stock up for winter projects.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20200606_175301493_-_Copy.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1591487221)
 
 It's like a seafood platter, we have some maple, ash, poplar (I never cut that and wanted to try), cherry, and even a pine log we threw in to stabilize the stack.
 When I got home and had the rig parked on the level and looked at things I realized we had cut it close.

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No, that tire did not rub, it stayed in the clear. I did have to tie up the safety chains to keep them from dragging on the road. I guess the truck could use an extra leaf or two in the rear, but it handled just fine, only squatted more than I would like.

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ANyway, something new to learn every day. After dinner I dumped the load and started stacking with a cant hook, but ran out of energy and realized I need to get the mule and a winch involved. That gives me something to do tomorrow. :)
 I really appreciate the generous donations to my efforts by NYBHH and
@BargeMonkey (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24634) just trying to help me get this 'thing' started. Barge went way out of his way to end his workday in time to meet me, then swapped out trucks to load me and he wouldn't take a nickel from me. Brandon has also been a big help all along as a sounding board and providing the little things that make big differences, and he is fun to work with. I am a lucky guy, and lucky to have found such nice folks here on this forum. It has made a bog difference in where I am right now. The same can be said for the many other folks like Doc, WV, The Cfarm and all you other guys. I appreciate you all for the help and advice and even helping me spend my money. :D
 I think I am off to bed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 06, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
   Great score on that cherry. I am happy to cut 4' cherry, walnut, etc. Makes great benches as well as legs. I am going to start cutting more square stock for table and bench legs. I delivered some 4x4 poplar yesterday for a guy to make farm table legs and a couple of walnut 3x3s today for a couple to build a LE bar on their deck. When people see them they buy them. Both of these I had cut for my own use.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 06, 2020, 08:54:38 PM
It is good sleeping when the body is tired and the mind is at ease.   smiley_beertoast
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 06, 2020, 09:00:04 PM
Yeah, I am trying to learn about the woods I don't come across much so I know a little about it if I get a request, or if it is the right thing for something I want to make. I keep learning so much, I hope I can remember it all. I had forgotten I took a 30 second video of Eric working whilst I was, um, supervising or something.
 The picker. (https://youtu.be/YZrQzT6EDI4)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 07, 2020, 03:13:37 AM
Looks like you had a very good day👍. Barge might have had one blonde 👱‍♀️. But Monday it’s two 👱‍♀️👱‍♀️😂
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 07, 2020, 08:43:27 PM
Light day today. I stacked, sealed,and tallyed all the logs up.  When they dumped I had a mess in the driveway. SO he first thing I did this morning was make up a Magic Hook because I had one large cherry log jammed in that I could not turn with the cant hook. 

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The magic hook (tm) did the trick and I didn't need it again the rest of the morning. I had picked up that hook at a junk shop/antique store in their 'cheap stuff' pile for a buck or two. Just never got around to putting the chain on it until today. It has a side bend in the hook, so the next time I have a real good fire going I may heat that up and flatten it, then see if I can harden it.

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I set up a parbuckle system to roll the logs up using the winch on the mule and made the best stack I could. The goal was to get them out of the driveway and make a safe/stable stack in case any kids got tempted to climb on them when my back is turned.


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ANyway, I tallied everything up to see how much drying space I might need and came up with about 800 BF and yesterday's dump load was 6300#, no wonder the trailer was a tad low. ;D I spent some time trying to figure out if there was a 'right way' to approach what and how I choose to mill this stuff, but I came up blank and gave up. Just gotta get on it.

 Another idea has been bouncing around in my noggin. I wouldn't mind getting some initial feedback before I put it up on the drying forum. Since I made that drying rack and covered it, on hot sunny days I notice the temp under that tarp is really high. Think about if you have ever been in a closed tent in the middle of a hay field on a hot July day, how hot it gets in there. EVen with the wide open sides, this thing gets hot. So I was thinking, if I changed the cover tarp to clear plastic sheet, and wrapped the sides that 'see the sun' in black, and the other sides in clear, perhaps it would accelerate the drying process? I could cover underneath in some plastic too to reduce the air exchange. Now I know full well this is not a kiln by any means, but I am wondering if it will help accelerate things to save me a few months. What do you guys think? Is it a stupid idea and a waste of material, or does it have a little merit and worth looking into. Right now I am thinking any extra heat would be helpful and I am thinking keeping the night humidity out (which is very high here) would also help. I am interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this. If we think it might help, I am willing to give it a try. It will only cost a few bucks and a days labor to find out. I think I have enough material to do the framing on hand. SO tell me what you think.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 08, 2020, 12:27:06 AM
I have done that a lot.  the higher relative temp under the tarp, will lower the relative humidity, and the heat and lower RH will help the stickered wood dry faster,  if you close it in, may help to have a couple $16 box fans, or not close it in so much and let air come through.  just like a solar kiln, things will relax at night.  timber green farms has a simple cycle solar kiln video, and you can modify it to your tent.  I have elm slabs at 7% MC.  2 inch thick.  
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neatly stacked so a tarp can cover.  you do not want sun on the boards esp. cherry ect.


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7% after a year under the tarp.  the other wood went to the container.  just the black top over it.  I had a couple box fans in the stack when it was all the wood, and a cheap accurite thermometer and humidity monitor with a remote display.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 08, 2020, 07:20:57 AM
Well I am still thinking on it. Perhaps having a black tarp for the roof would be better, then just hold the heat with the enclosed sides? I am just not sure what would work best, but I believe I have to either covert he bottom or at least the ground underneath to keep new moisture from coming up from the ground.
 Having it fairly neatly stacked and covered is the first good step, but If I can save some time by enclosing it, I am all for that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 08, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
what you are doing is fine if there is a noticeable increase in temp under the tarp.  and air can move through.  you do not want direct sun on the wood  ideally you would have a clear cover with a dark area for the sun to shine on, and heat the interior.  I am sure you get the concepts and will figure something out.  you are making tons of progress.  maybe they would let you work at your old job occasionally so you can rest!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 08, 2020, 09:51:26 AM
   I like the Magic Hook so much I have one almost identical to it. I take along a couple of 6' 1/4" chains w/hooks on each end in case I need to make adjustments.

    I can't help on the drying question. I did put a big/30" fan between 2 stacks of basswood for a couple months after learning it was bad about mildew if not properly ventilated and they dried cleanly.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on June 08, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Looks like Barge got you fixed up nice for a while. I think a little solar kiln project would be a good thing since you  have a mill.  You could modify that wood rack or keep it for storage and start a solar kiln build thread. 8) I agree with Doc and the resting at work thing, you've been getting a bunch done. Just a thought,  some of those inflatable add on air bags above your axles would help with your squat issue when loading that truck. I use them on my truck when I have to haul my tractor. You were about as close as you could be on that load of logs. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 08, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Nebraska, I am still thinking on the whole solar thing. Any kind of kiln is off the table until at least next year, I just can't fit the work in yet, but I might play with this idea a bit. As far as going back to work for rest, um, no thank you very much. If I need rest, I just sit in a chair in the yard in the shade or sun, depending on conditions and take a nap, or watch a movie or something. I save on gas that way. (I burned more gas this weekend getting logs than I have used in the last month!)
Howard, yes I agree, that hook is handy. When I get a winch for rolling logs up on the mill and turning logs it will be really handy, I just need to flatten it at some point.
Doc, when I was re-stacking and stacking today under there it was not as hot as on previous days. Still thinking on it as I work.

Today was a busy day. It started before I was barely awake. I opened all my usual web pages for my morning reading and there was a dust collector for sale on FB marketplace, a Delta 650 in like new condition for 100 bucks. I really need better dust collection in the shop, this might be a nice interim step, I thought. But it is a 3 hour round trip. The buyer was responsive, but I am still thinking on it. (I keep spending money with no sales.)
SO I got out and uncovered the mill and started working on those small cherry logs and giving the new 4° blades their first real test making lumber. Holy cow, those things cut like a dream! Boards are flat and straight and no waves at all! I am in love! As I said earlier the 8 logs tallied up to 80BF, but I cut 6 of them and wound up with 80.3BF and still have two to go. SO not bad on that score. Just for fun and to make the most use of these, I cut 1/2" boards off the jacket until I had my cant to size. I will see how they dry. The rest is either 1x6 or 1x5 boards with some 1-1/2 remnant boards. I finished up for the day and had yet to stack, with little open space in the rack. SO I decided to check the MC on the older wood and my meter kept saying 0.0MC. I knew that wasn't right and it has never done that before. SO I drove the pins in as far as I could and finally got some readings between 3.5 and 12 depending on the board. I realized I could flat stack some of this stuff and make room, so I did that and 45 minutes later I had an open hole for the new lumber. I have to say, and I am not bragging just happy, that this is the best lumber I have ever milled so far. These boards are perfect.

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But... I am out of stickers and was scraping the bottom of the bucket for enough to finish. Tomorrow I will have to start with that.
This bug flew by today and I have never seen one before. Does anybody recognize it?

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I took a couple of minutes to make some short videos for my followers on the business FB page, just to keep them interested. It helps them understand what is involved (I hope). Here is
one of them. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmVp0y6f64)

Anyway, to close out the day, I mowed the lawn before dinner. I finally got my acknowledgement from social security for my benefits as well as the insurance, now just waiting for new cards from them and the part C/D insurance. It's coming together and I am starting to relax a little. Now if I could just manage the energy to work longer days, I could get some work done. My wife has started a honey-do list to make sure I stay busy. That's very helpful. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 08, 2020, 08:23:39 PM
If I need rest, I just sit in a chair in the yard in the shade or sun, depending on conditions and take a nap, or watch a movie or something.  
I am looking so forward to that!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 08, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
OGH,

   Look up snap beetle or clicker beetles. I think if you press down on him he will make a snapping or clicking sound.

   By all means save those trim cuts off your cherry and walnut and such. I sticker them and let them air dry a little and run them through a planer and wipe them with tung oil and take them to flea markets or on display around the drying shed and I offer to sell them for $5-$10 each and you will be surprised how quickly they sell. A guy bought a couple last summer to put hooks in to hang his key collection. Women buy them for flower arrangements, hunters buy them for taxidermy pieces, etc. I can't keep them in stock. And a 2-3 ft long piece 4-5 inches wide and half inch thick will sell. Its crazy but they do. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 08, 2020, 09:21:21 PM
Lets see, 1/2x5x48"= .80BF. That's like 10 bucks or more a BF! Not a bad deal. I will have to see if I can pull that off. It never occurred to me to bring wood to a market, but now you have me thinking, once again.
 And yes I think you are spot on with the snap beetle, but the reference I found says they only get about 3/4" long and this specimen was about an inch and a half. Never seen them before, anywhere. I hope this is not a new 'thing'. Maybe that cherry wood being opened up attracted him? When it flew by, it looked like a tiny humming bird.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 08, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
   BTW - under 1" wood is generally treated as 1" or sold by the square ft vs bf. When I do mobile sawing that is in my standard billing/charges explanation and I think you will find that is true with many sawyers.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 09, 2020, 08:55:39 PM
Odd day. The weather was beautiful and warm. We watched the 3 grandboys today, so I was distracted, but I did get some work time in. Before the boys came I took a small Ash log NYBHH had given me and milled it up into stickers I desperately needed. I sat and looked at the drying rack and realized it had not enough room for me to start milling all these logs and stacking. Actually and frankly I was kidding myself. Re-stacking yesterday made some room, but frankly, not near enough. SO I looked it all over again and pulled the stacks apart (yet again) and pulled a bunch of stuff to move into the shop storage rack. I drove it around and threw it up on the loft and loaded the rack. Then I went back out and re-stacked the drying rack again. The boys were a distraction off and on and I got pulled into chasing them around, plus, it was hot.
 When they finally calmed down and went in the house for a while (my wife's domain) I started looking for a log that I could mill some bar tops and table top from. I had an idea for a hex shaped table with multiple parts of different species and I need RO for the center piece. I needed at least 15" wide slabs. I had this oddball RO log with a big hump. Not too much trouble getting it to the mill, but I busted a gut rolling it on over the hump to get it on. Heavy sucker.

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My little manual mill was too small to swallow this sucker, so I chainsawed the hump off so it would clear and I could do the first pass.

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I got a few slabs off and one of the early ones looks like it would make a neat bench with proper trimming and done in the style that WV Sawmiller uses (through tenons, milled on both sides), interesting grain flow.

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SO I didn't get a lot done today, but I am organizing my head a little more and moving forward. But I do need another skid and more storage space for wood. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 10, 2020, 07:59:27 PM
Well today was a long one and I can barely keep my eyes open now. My neighbor about 1/2 mile down the road was having an arborist come in to take out 8 trees threatening his power lines and house. As it happens I have known the arborist since he was about 12 years old and although the homeowner had made arrangements for the arborist to take the wood, he also offered to me that I could take what I wanted. I explained his deal was with the arborist who officially 'owned' the wood according to the terms. But he asked the arborist and he agreed I could have whatever I wanted, it made his job easier and he knew who I was.
 So this morning first thing I went down and fetched out some larger (24") short logs I had long ago promised to clear out, I wanted them clear before more stuff came down, and to show my good intent. Good firewood, all of which I really need as I have not even started firewood yet.
 Anyway, he showed up today around noon and I went over to lend a hand. I didn't do much, fed the chipper a little, helped tug on the rope at the right time, helped rake and clean, etc. and it was nearly a  a full day for those trees. When they left, my work started and I began bunching up the smaller firewood logs. They finished and left at 4pm and I got to work. I pulled up 3 hitches with a bunch of small firewood branches, then winched up a long log as best I could but I had to cut it off at 12'6" to get it all the way into the arch. That one a I dragged back to the mill. It's a waterpipe, but I want to try milling it before I make it into firewood. There might be some good jacket boards on it and I am thinking of taking off a bunch of cookies to dry and make picture or mirror frames. I never tried it, so what the heck?
 After that last log I was soaked to the bone. High humidity because of passing storms that never hit us and heavy work. I had to peel off my shirt and chainsaw (sauna) pants. I took some short videos, but everybody knows what it looks like when a guy in a bucket truck is cutting branches and they are being lowered. Ah what he heck, here is just one. I never saw and arborist wind up with a leaner before, but he pulled it off. Watch how the log winds up. :D Yeah, strange lay, but tomorrow, I have to get that log out of there.  ;D
Video (https://youtu.be/vs_EJl-J3X4) is here.
 Pooped again, and we are out early tomorrow for senior food shopping time to get our monthly supplies. Then I get back to work.
 Just another day of relaxing in retirement. :D :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 11, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Well today I made a decision about this retirement thing, I am only working half days from now on, 8am-4 or 5pm tops. After all, I AM retired, right? I should get to relax a little, right? I sweat buckets yesterday, and we got an inch and a half of rain this morning while we were food shopping, so I didn't 'start' until 11, but I sweat buckets again today and sucked a lot of wind. rigging, winching out, and skidding a bunch of little logs and a couple of decent ones. I went through 2 hats and 2 t-shirts.  I decided there is no need to kill myself, it will all get done. I just have to keep moving. The hand winch on the skidder is taking a beating and it may be on it's last legs, I hope ti holds up long enough for me to finish cleaning this up. I try to get 2 of those shorts at least in a hitch, and the full sized logs I do one at a time. The limiting factor is the throat of the arch at about 28". The two weld on chain hooks we added this spring have been excellent for a quick safety chain hookup, but the chain I am using could be 10" longer for the big stuff. I admit I have been border line abusive on this skidding arch. I think the rating was for 1,000#, but I have gone over that quite a few times and you can hear the cable sing and the arch crack and creak when I load it. ;D
I am just a little annoyed with myself because the firewood is not started yet and I usually have it done by June 1st. Between the virus thing, and working from home, I just never got going. I know I have a couple of weeks of bucking, splitting and stacking, in the summer heat. This year, if I heat the shop with wood I will need a LOT more than the usual 5 cords. So my neighbor has all these newly dropped trees and he deserves to have a clean yard, so I need to keep moving on it, but some of this stuff is big and too heavy for me to move. I am working on the smaller chunks and longer logs that I can get at and when I run out of that, I will either cut the other stuff down, or get some help. I lost count of how many loops I did today, probably about 10 or so. (I could just go count the drag marks down the road, but they are getting blurry :D.)
The piles are building up and of course it takes more effort to heave these logs up on the 2  piles as it gets bigger. Here is one pile.

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Here is the second pile. That long one I am thinking might make a few nice curved benches. See this is a problem. I need firewood, but I want saw logs for projects. It's a conundrum. ;D

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And I am getting a few straight saw logs, these two (oak and EWP), plus another oak I took right to the mill.

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This was the easiest hitch of the day, actually a filler, because I had to run back and get saw gas and didn't want to waste a trip. A 13' EWP log laying out there on flat ground. I have one other of these, maybe two. It figures, the lousy wood is in the easiest spot to get.

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All the rest of that pine is chunked up and will go elsewhere for an OWB (actually, just down the road 1 mile).
So yeah, I have decided, in this weather, nice as it is, I am sticking to 8 hour days. That's all I can manage.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: A-z farmer on June 11, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
OGH
You have the sawdust bug bad keep it up .All of us on the farm burn wood and I have to taste it first on the band mill even though my brother and son try to hide it from me .We have one shop that we burn just the slabs from sawing . I put them in from the mill into a few slab racks and cut them to length with a chain saw .Best to you in your retirement .
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 11, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
A-Z I know that in a year or two I will have the process flow down to where the slabs off the mill get cut and wind up on the firewood pile with little effort, but right now as I am establishing that work flow I don't have enough stuff in the pipeline to get it flowing yet, so this first year will be a hassle as least and I am just trying to make it happen as best I can to get it started. Let's just say that right now I never wake up in the morning wondering how I will fill up my day. I am trying to think of how I can produce the most in my day. You know, I have actually read where some retired folks sit around all day watching ball games and reading the paper. I can't imagine how folks could live like that. I'd probably shoot myself if I had to do that.
 When this virus thing calms down, I would love to find an excuse to run over and have a visit with you and see all the stuff you have going on there.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 11, 2020, 09:33:29 PM
On the shirts, I wear 100% polyester shirts when I am outside working. Note the 100%, no cotton at all. They keep me nice and cool. I can wear the same shirt all day. The shirts do not stick to me. Walmart sells them as active wear? I bought a bunch for $3-5 in the winter time. I buy them big, more air to go through the shirt. I wear XL but buy the shirts 2X and cut the sleeves off so I don't get a Farmer's tan.   ;D But they stain bad and I do mean bad. I wear one for a day and wash it and it looks like I had it on all day right out of the washer. These shirts, when they come out of the washing machine are just about dry. They don't hold water or sweat. TC sells them too, orange and yellow, or use too. But I think they are about $15.

The link that got me convinced.
@Brad_bb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6191)
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=58516.0 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=58516.0)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 08:04:04 AM
Good point, After the shopping hassles decline I will keep my eyes out for some of these shirts. For now, it is just a fact of life. You work, you sweat. Move on. No big deal. Now if you find a shirt that can help me work longer without running out of breath, I would be running out to get those right away. ;D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2020, 08:10:09 AM
OGH I bet as hard as you work, you will also acclimate to the heat and all the heavy lifting.  I am assuming this is more than you did at your prev. job.  despite your elderly condition, you can make strides to improve you endurance.  the rest of us are happy to have half the energy that you do.  people with high expectations end up doing more than those who lower the bar to meet their goals.  keep it up! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 08:22:04 AM
OGH I bet as hard as you work, you will also acclimate to the heat and all the heavy lifting.  I am assuming this is more than you did at your prev. job.  despite your elderly condition, you can make strides to improve you endurance.  the rest of us are happy to have half the energy that you do.  people with high expectations end up doing more than those who lower the bar to meet their goals.  keep it up! 8) 8) 8)
The last 15 years my 'regular job' included no physical labor. They were paying for my brain. :D But I have always been 'out and about' after work and on weekends banging myself up as much as possible. Always need firewood and all that other stuff. Yes, maybe doing this every day for as long as I can will help, but it might also kill me too. ;D I really have got to bite the bullet and get me a 60" Ritelog cant hook as soon as I can sell something. (Oh, and can we cool it on the 'elderly' thing? That is for folks who can't walk or get out of a chair. In my family, you are not elderly until you hit 90 and those folks earned the title. I am just an older kid. :D)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2020, 08:37:39 AM
well, you know I like to poke the bear!  :D .  you also know I am a big "that which does not kill us, makes us stronger!"  kind of guy.  and I have the shirt that says.  "that which does not kill us, makes us stronger... except for bears... bears will kill you!.."  :) :) :).  
"Elderly: L der lee... anyone older than me!"  I do not know the country of origin and have already used it in a sentence! ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
Didn't there used to be a band called the Elderly brothers?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2020, 08:44:59 AM
yes... but I think they are gone now. :)  great album by Norah Jones,  daughter of the Sitar player that taught the Beetles to play.  some sad and beautiful songs. great Music.  a remake of some of their songs.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
norah+jones+everly+brothers - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=norah+jones+everly+brothers&&view=detail&mid=F3026B96C02CC90CA2D6F3026B96C02CC90CA2D6&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
yes... but I think they are gone now. :)  great album by Norah Jones,  daughter of the Sitar player that taught the Beetles to play.  some sad and beautiful songs. great Music.  a remake of some of their songs.
Ravi Shankar's daughter, yes. I watched some of her stuff a couple of years ago. Not quite certain how she jumped in this conversation, buy yeah, she makes good music. (OK, just saw your next post, I get it now. Didn't know about that.) Her Pop was no slouch either.
 I gotta get to work, but my back is suggesting otherwise. Those logs won't move themselves. I think the lift hand-winch on my skidder has about had it. I have fixed it twice in the last 2 years, but now I think it is just wearing out. Last night I ordered a slightly heavier duty replacement. I hope I can get through this before it quits.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 12, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
her dad was Ravi Shankar who hung with George Harrison.  she started doing jazz, and now does all styles including country and is often involved with Willie Nelson and his fund raisers.
CAUTION:  do not listen to the next song if you do not want to choke up a bit.


norah jones put my little shoes away - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=norah+jones+put+my+little+shoes+away&qpvt=norah+jones+put+my+little+shoes+away&view=detail&mid=A68887B170C90E513740A68887B170C90E513740&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnorah%2Bjones%2Bput%2Bmy%2Blittle%2Bshoes%2Baway%26qpvt%3Dnorah%2Bjones%2Bput%2Bmy%2Blittle%2Bshoes%2Baway%26FORM%3DVDVVXX)

very sad songs, tugs on an old Pediatrician.  I know you are a music guy and prob. already know of her talent.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 09:14:15 AM
WHat a cheerful way to start the day.....
Now I really have to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: A-z farmer on June 12, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
OGH 
You are welcome to come anytime but make sure you bring the trailer.And you do not have to wait until this pandemic is over because I will not get too close.But do not bring any of your black bears we got a 250 pound one the other day from south of us .Those bears really put a hurting on our corn and honey bee hives .We can put some walnut and apple on your trailer to help u keep busy in retirement.
Zeke
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
A-Z that is a kind and generous offer. I am hoping to take you up on it in some form, and I will leave the bears here at home. ;D I haven't seen any yet, but I have run across droppings twice now. I did have a couple of deer come visit during wood collection this morning.
Browsing in on my firewood - YouTube (https://youtu.be/VhcfAum9LZs)
 But I am so busy now I have not been working in the shop all week. The last 3 days have been firewood collection and I have a bunch here in the yard an a few big logs yet to fetch. I might need help with those. ;D This retirement stuff fills you whole day before you know it. I think I must have done 10-15 loops today and yard is filling. I need to get it all in, then setup for split and stack. I am starting to fill like I am in the wood collecting business.

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These are just some of the logs that came up today.

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The shorts go on the other pile. Its a lot of cutting and splitting and stacking. I may have to recruit some grandson power to help. ;D
 I have 3 or 4 really big logs yet to get out, one is a leaner (as seen in the video of the other day) and they are in in the same tangle. It will be tricky. But tomorrow morning is for the Grandson's fishing trip, one of them has a birthday! So the morning at least is pretty much a wash. Let's see if I can fit in some work later in the day. I promised the neighbor we would use the winch on the Mule to pull his driveway gate post back up straight and block it so that he can reset the cement and make it usable. It got whacked by a snowplow several years ago and hasn't moved since. It's a mighty heavy architectural type gate, all steel.
 Anyway, I earned the right to be tired tonight. I overslept this morning and didn't get up until 6:30, must be a sign of my impending 'elderly' condition. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 12, 2020, 09:44:41 PM
   I love watching deer scratch their ear with their hoof like that one did. I hope they stay close and we see more of them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Yeah, I haven't been on that side of the road much this spring. My neighbor with the 12 acres has been a full time resident since the virus hit and I have only gone down for a couple of sweeps. This lot I was on today is next to his (in fact, his house may show up in the background, I didn't notice) and there are a lot of critters traversing that ridge. My old mill site is perhaps 300' out and to the right of where this video starts (and about 50' lower) and I would get visitors all the time when I was down there. I do miss that. Turkeys, deer, owls, and hawks, the bears would come around when I wasn't there, but I caught them on the camera.Just on the other side of the road at my house, they are more shy because there are more houses. I get deer in the yard and turkeys on the lawn and I found bear poop out by the mill last week, but they are much more shy up here.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 12, 2020, 10:03:10 PM
I'm not sure if I posted this one here last year, down at the old site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MENqU_d-LQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MENqU_d-LQU)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 12, 2020, 10:52:02 PM
That’s pretty cool
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 13, 2020, 05:26:39 AM
Nice video.
I can get that close if I am driving my tractor ,but walking, they are gone.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 13, 2020, 06:59:43 AM
That first video I posted from yesterday, they walked up to me as I was working with the winch. In the one from last year, after I shot it and went back to work they browsed some more and kept moving in my direction and worked around me on one side following the browse. They feel comfortable on that side of the road, there is a lot of cover and east escape routes with almost no fences. On my side it is a little tighter and they are more tense. This stuff happens a lot and I only take a photo of it once in a while. I heard these same two were back in the same spot last evening. We had chipped all of the branches from the trees we took down, but there were a few Maple top branches hidden in the logs I uncovered as I was winching them out and they found them.
 Going fishing and doing other stuff today to give my back a little break, then I have to set up for cut/split/stack. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 14, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
Well yesterday my son and I took the 3 grandsons fishing. The oldest was celebrating his birthday and it was a nice cool morning. It took us a little while to find the right spot for the fish they could catch. It's still a tough age, no patience at all. We finally found a spot where you had better be quick to set the hook when the worm hit the water and everyone was happy and used up the worms fairly quickly. ;D
Here's the birthday boy, now 7 and the oldest of the three.

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The middle one with his smallmouth bass:

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and the youngest:

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About 2 hours seemed to be the limit for them, but they had a good time. I got back home and headed over to the neighbor's place to help him chunk up some stuff his saw wouldn't handle and cut off a 40" oak stump flat. I had a little trouble with my big clone saw not feeding oil to the bar near the end, but I finished it off and set it aside for looking at later. We walked around and looked at all the work he has been doing on his unimproved parts of the property and I was impressed. He is not afraid of hard work, that's for sure. Then it was hot enough to reduce the count of beer cans in his fridge and we called it a day. I piddled around in the yard the rest of the evening getting ready to start making firewood, I fetched back the splitter from across the road and got that setup, but I was pooped and quit around 6pm.
 Today the plan was to clean out the wood storage area, re-stack the leftovers so that they get used first next season, and setup for stacking. SO I started cleaning and re-stacking then got a text from my son about a dust collector blower he found cheap on marketplace. I didn't like it but when I was there I saw a new/unused grizzly with a bunch of extras for $275. so I contacted the guy. He said his grandfather bought it, but got sick and died before he could even hook it up. Never been run. So there went the day I went over and got it (about an hour away) and the wife went along just for the drive. It was just what he said. He had the original invoice, the unit, two 10' sections of 2" hose, a 4" Y connector, extra bag, manual, etc. Plus the add on pre-collector with a garbage can. It will run on 220 or 110. I brought it home, unloaded it in the shop and went back to firewood. I'll figure it out later. but it was a good, fair deal and I am happy.
 I got all the wood re-stacked and forgot to take a photo so I know how much I had left at the end of the season. I already had one trailer loaded, so I brought that over and unloaded that with the wife's help and got that on the stack. Then I could set up my workflow in the yard. I re-positioned the splitter, parked the trailer next to it. and split the little bits I had already cut but not split and that about half filled the trailer. Now I will move the splitter a little over and buck and split and load and each time the trailer is full I will bring it over and stack it. Here's what I have so far:

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I didn't measure, but it is about a cord maybe a little less. Every year I do firewood it seems like I have different circumstances. Last year I did all the bucking and splitting down in the woods and trailered it up to the stack. This year I am back in the yard, like two years ago, but I think I have all, or most of the un-bucked logs all in a pile which I've never had before, usually it's in groups of logs. Now with it all on hand it is time to just 'blow and go' and get it all done. This might kill my back but maybe I can hit a stride and keep at it until it's done. I am always relieved when I have the wood done and we are secure for next winter. But this year I have the shop to think about also, so I may buy a load of firewood logs for that or see if I can scrounge some up. But I will worry about that when the time comes. NYBHH has a bunch of dead stuff needs removing and he could use a hand with that work, so... Right now I have a lot to do to clean all this up and get it stacked.
 SO after dinner tonight I went back out to the shop and sharpened both saws which really needed it (the 450 was in really bad shape, I was a bad boy) and I took a look at the 372 and think I may have found the issue. I cleaned it up good and put it back together and quit at 9:30. So much for 8 hour days. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 15, 2020, 10:42:47 AM
   Sounds to me like the most productive time was spent on the water. I put out limblines for big catfish and use little bream for live bait so I take the 3 local granddaughters to help. We use 10' crappie poles with a #10 cricket hook, a BB shot and a float set about a foot deep with 1/2" piece of nightcrawler for bait. A single bait will normally catch 5-6 little bream before it becomes so ragged it gets knocked off. I take them about 400 yards from the boat landing to a spot along the bank with a bunch of big rocks. We pitch the baits near the rocks ans the bream rush out to grab it before the others do. Sometimes they will smash at the float. It is common to catch 50-60 bream in an hour. Typically they will be from 3-6 inches long. Not big but plentiful and the girls and I have a blast. My job is mostly to bait hooks and take the fish off the line. When my 90 y/o mom is out she goes along and has a blast and is about as dangerous swinging fish into my face and getting hung on overhanging limbs and such as the girl. The absolute best is when Mom and the girls can all go with me. The girls are now 8,12 & 14 and an hour or two is generally all they are interested in but it is a great time especially listening to 8 y/o Molly talking about breaking up a fish family reunion or such and naming the fish she catches. Keep up the good times.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 15, 2020, 10:04:26 PM
Yeah, it is fun with the boys, but they are still young enough to have no patience and reason does not work with them...yet. They had fun, that's all that matters.
 Today was another solid hard labor day doing more wood. I finished the last chain I needed to sharpen this morning I was just too tired last night to do the second side. Cut, Split, Load, Move, stack, repeat. We did two more trailer loads today. I pretty much worked steady through the day with a short lunch break. My muscles are getting tired, but no real pain or aches, just working hard and really tired. I finished the day bucking up another load to split in the morning. Had dinner then went back out to put the Mule away and sharpened the saw for tomorrow. That chain is getting really bad and near the end of it's life, I must have had found some sand in the logs, one side was really bad again. SO I decided, after I sharpened the chain, to change the bar and use a 20" inch for tomorrow, I am getting up to some bigger logs in a bit. That chain is new and I have never used this bar yet, I got it used from a co-worker last year. SO we will give that a workout. Brand new chain and I stepped out the side door of the shop to just do a quick test in a stump, and when the chain sunk in, the first thing I saw was sparks. >:( I did not look at it after, I found a clean log and zipped off a cookie. It cut fine for a factory edge. ;D
 Anyway, here is today's total.

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I am trying a new idea with window to allow access to the outlet and extension cord and my feedthrough for the network cable. 

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 We will see how that works, just trying something different. 30 years stacking wood here, I have to change it up a little. ;D

 A funny thing I find when I am cutting and especially running the splitter I wind up doing a lot of thinking. That can be productive or dangerous. Today I was thinking about that dust collector I bought yesterday. I don't really have a good place in the shop for it. Floor space is fiercely protected and must be justified. SO rather than pick a spot and decide what I have to move to make room and how I will run the ducts and all that I began to think maybe I can just create some new floor space. SO here is the spot I have in mind.

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If I put a 45° landing between loft #2(to the left) and #3 (to the right) it should have enough room to hold that collector and it will be central to where it needs to be, meaning I will have a duct running each way to cover the major needs. The duct work will also bee pretty much over the loft railings, so it won't be impeding my overhead in the general floor area. Of course, this means yet another project and I have to remove the posts and rails and re-do them to adjust for the new, albeit small, deck space. Plus, where will I move all the pictures to? :D Anyway, I have a lot more splitting to do, so plenty of time the think on it. Guess I will have to mill up some more lumber for it too. But it is probably the right way to go, I just have to adjust the floor plan one more time. But it would be really nice to have permanent ducting the the TS, the RA saw, the sanding bench, the planer and the jointer (which I still have to pick up). DO this stuff ever end? ;D Ah, forget I asked that question, I know the answer.
 Anyway, long day, I missed my 8 hour rule again (by 4 hours) and even my hands ache with my forearms right behind. Hopefully I am not too old to build new muscle, because it feels like that is whats going on. No pain, just very tired and a little sore. Tomorrow I get to do it all again. The nice thing about firewood is that eventually, it is done. This year I am not so sure. I don't know if I have enough wood in the yard to make the 5 cords I need for the house, then I am shooting for another 5 cords for the shop and I KNOW I don't have that. So firewood season may run into the fall for me this year as I collect more wood. Maybe I should find out what Barge gets to run a truck down to me with a load of firewood logs? :D
 There just are not enough hours in the day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 15, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
Looks good 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 16, 2020, 07:36:55 PM
Nothing but firewood work today and again I am bushed. It didn't get real hot, but working in the sun was brutal. First time I have worked with no shirt in a long time. It wasn't pretty, I'm sure, but it was dang hot out there doing those big rounds I couldn't lift. I couldn't quite finish two full loops today and I quit at 5:30. I have the trailer loaded and backed in to unload. I am figuring a load like this comes out to just about 1/2 cord.

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And here is where the pile stands now, with another trailer ready to unload.

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I did a quick measure and come up with just over 2 cord stacked so far since Sunday afternoon. 3 to go. Then I can start on the shop wood. ;D I don't think I have enough wood on hand to make the first 5 cord. Normally I do this work over about 4 weeks on the weekends and some evenings. Doing it straight through may be something I have to re-think. Not saying I'm getting old, but maybe I can spread it out a little more and get some other stuff done. The firewood is a 'thing' with me. I like to get it done and know we are good for next winter. Letting it hang will drive me crazy, and I am concerned where I will get more wood.
Tomorrow may be an off day. I have some phone calls to make on Social security and my insurance issues. That could kill hours.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 16, 2020, 07:42:37 PM
remember, you have an extra 40 hours a week to get it done.  the only rush is to get it done in time to dry by next winter to 5 months from now.  with your organization, the new stuff will not be used till after the first of the year.  worst case scenario, you may use some propane or NG.  you are good! 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 16, 2020, 07:44:14 PM
i specify the crap wood for the shop.  odd lengths ect.  i can deal with it, the family cannot.  in the house!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
i specify the crap wood for the shop.  odd lengths ect.  i can deal with it, the family cannot.  in the house!
Yeah, that would be my choice, but it will have to wait until next year to get that organized. I don't even have the stove in the shop yet, or a place to stack that wood established (that's another project on the list). This is an 'organizing year' so I just have to grunt it out and deal with it. I don't have enough hours now and am hoping as the fall approaches I can make some time to get it squared away. The house comes first. I will figure it out eventually. I have to get the idea out of my head that I can do it all at once and that is harder than it sounds. I have been working 7 day weeks and haven't taken more than a few hours 'off' for several weeks now. I figure I might get to do that when the really hot weather comes and work on my tan. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 16, 2020, 08:23:30 PM
I am sure you did the same hours before, but 40 went to the company, and the leftover was for you.  we are all proud of the progress you have made.  keep us informed and we we all hope we can do half as well as you when we are elderly... like you!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 16, 2020, 08:29:45 PM
I am sure you did the same hours before, but 40 went to the company, and the leftover was for you.  we are all proud of the progress you have made.  keep us informed and we we all hope we can do half as well as you when we are elderly... like you!  :D :D :D
Well maybe I am old, but I ain't dead yet.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on June 16, 2020, 10:12:13 PM
Wow you’ve been busy!  Nice catching up on this thread.  I’m out of places to stack wood at the moment and have my firewood taken care of for the next year or two. 

I have 4 standing, long dead ash trees between the house and the creek (easy access with the tractor) that aren’t worth milling and all good/easy firewood size. They have been dead for a while and will burn well this year even if you don’t get to them until later in the summer.  I’ve avoided cutting them since I don’t need the firewood and they keep better vertical but the wife would sure appreciate them gone if you need more firewood, just let me know.  

I could probably point out 25 cords of standing dead or recently blow-downed hardwoods just along the trail I walk every morning with Cello.  Now that I look at it every day, its beginning to aggravate my OCD and its just gonna turn to mushrooms if nobody takes it.   
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 17, 2020, 05:51:53 AM
I kind of had this in the back of my head, but didn't want to ask. I know you are busy working on the current project. Now that I can get access to the dump trailer once in a a while I can handle a bit more than those loads I got from you last time. Around 5,000# should be safe which would be a good load. I think.  I am into the bigger logs now which produce more cord wood than all the short 8-14" short stuff I have been hacking away at.
Witt that in mind and the dump trailer available, perhaps we look at doing some of it in a few weeks? I have tables to finish up, the dust collector to install, and a duct system to design and build, and clean off the outside wall of the shop for the new firewood pile. Plus, of course milling to do.
Knowing me, I will push through this as fast as I can regardless of how I feel and then need a short break to get 'real work' done before I do another round. (Although I would like to check in on Cello, they grow SO fast!)
I know you also have that section out by the road, is there anyway to make a small landing in there so we could work off the road? I can't recall the exact terrain. I know there was a lot of dead standing that needs to get gone.
 Thank you very much, I appreciate the offer and will take you up on it. This is one year I do not expect to get ahead on firewood as I usually do, given that I have more than doubled the requirement and I may be cutting in early March next year to make up for it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on June 17, 2020, 07:28:36 AM
Yea, a couple weeks would be great.  I have a contractor back for 2-3 weeks to help get the metal on this building and I am heavily involved in that but my non-work schedule clears up after that.   Sending you home with a dump load of 12-16” dbh ash should be no problem and the good thing is most of the tops have already fallen so there won’t be much cleanup.  

There is good landing space on the other side but most of those are much bigger trees and millable so I want to wait on dropping those until I have time to mill my half.  Hopefully this fall/winter
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 17, 2020, 07:41:45 AM
Yea, a couple weeks would be great.  I have a contractor back for 2-3 weeks to help get the metal on this building and I am heavily involved in that but my non-work schedule clears up after that.   Sending you home with a dump load of 12-16” dbh ash should be no problem and the good thing is most of the tops have already fallen so there won’t be much cleanup.  

There is good landing space on the other side but most of those are much bigger trees and millable so I want to wait on dropping those until I have time to mill my half.  Hopefully this fall/winter
Once again, the timing appears to work out well. ;D if it goes well, the ground will freeze early and the snow will hold off, then we can cut that roadside area and stack for your mill and for firewood and move when possible. So far my experience with that dead ash is that it will sit for quite a while (if off the ground) provided you seal the ends within 25 seconds of cutting (although sooner is better). :D
 OK, will we call that a tentative plan. Another win-win for the Ulster County FF chapter. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 17, 2020, 09:26:26 PM
Well I am more bushed tonight than I was last night, I really had to push myself to keep going at it today, but I took more breaks (and one short nap in the shade), but I managed to squeeze out two complete loops and stacked about 3/4-1 cord more. I am going to run out of wood before I fill the stacks. I worked mostly with big rounds today as I got into the bigger, longer logs. All the short stuff I had has been cleaned up and stacked.

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Scroll back and you'll find the same photo from Sunday (the first photo in reply#135)
 with a lot more wood, all gone now.
Today I started the trash fire up to burn the junk, bark, and rotten stuff that collects. I find if I 'clean as a I go' it just all gets done and I don't have a mess left when I am done. Every once in a while I throw a pile on the burn bucket. So I am catching up on that stuff.

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I also have a bunch of short chunks and junk, but good clean wood. That will either be for campfires or the shop. It looks like another day or so and I will be clean of wood and have to run down and grab the logs I stowed here and there in the woods since last fall. There isn't much, but maybe another half to 3/4 cord. I should get that cut up and stacked too. Then I will have to wait until Brandon and I can get together or something else comes along.
SO here is where the pile sits tonight. I didn't come in until 8:30, so this is a little dark.

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I have a load sitting there to unload in the morning and I just learned my 11 year old step-grandson will be here for the day tomorrow and he is always good help. I had thought I would change gears tomorrow, but in light of this development I think I will stick with it. It goes much faster with a second person. My wife had been helping me stack a bit, but she was out most of the day working at the farm co-op, so I was on my own today.
Also, wondering what you guys would make of this:

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I have this nice, green red oak log producing these and I am wondering what I can do with them. Let your mind run wild and give me some ideas. I am hoping they might dry without cracking. I am thinking I might get 10 or so more out of the log. They look like eyes to me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 18, 2020, 06:26:59 AM
The eyes have it. Got a bump from a white maple for a nose?
I rarely work on wood all day. Well, I rarely work on any one thing all day.  :D  I have about 10 projects going on around here. Might be kinda low on the 10 too.  ::)  This keeps me fresh all day long. 
Just like last night, Have a real steep hill to mow by the house. Wife does not like to do it, and I don't blame her any. This is with the bush hog. I went down by the edge of the woods and found 4-5 places that I need to finish leveling out. Found some rocks about softball in size that I left behind too.  ::) A project that I forgot about. 
I split my work up, so I can work all day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on June 18, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
That new boss of yours is pretty tough it appears. I saw the rounds on the chair and wondered if you could make googlie eyes with some hockey pucks and resin, for no purpose but to do it, somebody wouldn't  have to buy them and put that project up on social media..

 Be careful that bark and waste fire doesn't light your firewood pile...... ::) apparently it happens ::).  Looks like you have gone a good distance on the wood. I have about 3 cord in totes, and need to get another trailer load of totes as I will quickly fill what I have. Better get those kids out and fish some more.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
Yeah, working for me is no picnic! ;D
 The waste fire is contained, so there is that. I had to site in in a specific spot because or overhead concerns and the limited room I have to navigate the trailer and Mule in the driveway to make the turn around and back it up to the splitter. It was still hot enough this morning to just re-kindle with a little stir and I collected a few more loads of junk to get rid of today. very little goes to waste here but bark and rotten shag constitute 90% of it. Since I used to just rake it into a pile and hope it would rot, I realized that dog won't hunt, so now I am burning it and trying to catch up on stuff from years past.
 Those eyes, yeah. I was thinking I might make a piece of art to hang on the front of the shop, there is a bunch of blank space. Hockey pucks aren't a bad idea, maybe I can find something else. Sometimes totally useless things are the most fun. Gonna look around for a bump cutoff too, I bet I threw 3 in the fire yesterday. :D
 Oh, Cfarm, normally I do rotate jobs through the day as you do, but when I get on firewood it is like I am on a mission, the process flow is set up, all the equipment is out and I just get in a groove and can't focus on anything else. It is the one thing I just want to get done so I don't have to think or worry about it for the rest of the season. Seeing the pile full always gives me comfort. I am just weird that way. There are worse proclivities I suppose.  ;D
 Got out a little earlier today and unloaded the trailer, restarted the fire and got it all queued back up to cut and split another round, but I think I will stop at one today. 
I am just too tired and achy. smiley_old_guy
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 09:58:43 AM
I just checked, last year I started wood in the last week of March and finished the first week of May (5 cords for the house). This year I started last Thursday and I have about 3 cords stacked as of this morning. I have about 4-5 good logs left here to cut and split, then I have to go skid some stuff up from across the road.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 18, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
OGH,

   I'd rotate those "donuts" around to different positions and see what images they trigger. The burn barrel sounds like a pretty good idea.

   Sounds to me like you need to get your labor pool back together to help Grandpa stack his winter wood supply.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Super idea! I will do that today for sure!
 This virus thing with the associated 'home learning' and my son's work schedule have everything messed up. Maybe by the time I am doing shop wood it will smooth out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 18, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
maybe a 1/2 of a cookie or round as the brim of your hat, and it can be your 3D avatar.  even the chair looks a little like you,   :)   if you use some imagination.  the grandsons might enjoy the slight caricature of grandpa!  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Short early entry tonight. I am bushed after 5 days of pushing it on the wood. I finished splitting all the wood I had in the yard. All clean, for the moment.

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I parked the last overfull trailer load at 5:30pm.

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Every trip through the gate is a bit of a pain, I don't have much clearance. But the wife already has all her planters out, so I can't get around the easy way. This will have to do.

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I played around with 'Woodrow' some more and gave him a nose. I have two options as I found two small burls when I was bucking.

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I have this big blank spot on the front shop wall over the short door. Maybe I can make a flat round/hex/square/rectangle thing and mount this stuff up on there? I dunno. Just for fun. I really should paint that block, but I hate to get into that until I have things under control in a year or two.

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Tonight as I go to sleep, hopefully soon, I will be trying to figure out what I can do with basswood logs. :D

Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 18, 2020, 08:32:02 PM
Eyebrows, couple curved branches??
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 08:36:56 PM
Eyebrows, couple curved branches??
Yeah, I gotta go shopping in the woods tomorrow. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on June 18, 2020, 09:05:28 PM
Cut the bottom outta ya chair and place one of those doughnuts over it you'd have an out house without the house!

You could then just sit and enjoy nature! 

You asked for ideas.  You did not say they had to be good ideas. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 18, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Cut the bottom outta ya chair and place one of those doughnuts over it you'd have an out house without the house!

You could then just sit and enjoy nature!

You asked for ideas.  You did not say they had to be good ideas. :D
Ideas are ideas, there is no bad or good, just different. I actually  was thinking as I worked my way up the log the holes would get smaller, so I might make some cup holders out of the for the fire ring seats. Not sure how they would be for an outhouse, those holes make a pretty small target. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 18, 2020, 10:58:56 PM
OGH,

   I still remember sitting my ol butt down on a frozen cracked porta john seat in Bagram so I am here to tell you the outhouse idea is pure desperation! Its kinda like eating a possum - times ain't got that hard yet.

   I'm thinking glasses and googly eyes and such. Place them at every imaginable position and see what your imagination finds. Get other opinions from family and friends too. They will see something you don't.

   On the basswood I cut up a big one about 15 months ago into 1100 bf of 4/4, 8/4, 12/4 and 16/4 with the target market as wood carvers. I stickered the wood good ran a fan between the stacks for 2 months as I had read it is bad to mildew if you don't keep very good ventilation on it. If you have not already sawed it I'd check with local wood carver clubs and offer to custom cut it for them. Otherwise saw it into as thick stock as it will make, sticker it good with plenty of ventilation. I would not worry about edging it too clean as the carvers may be fine with a little rounded corners. Good luck and if you sell out and need more come see me and bring a trailer. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 19, 2020, 07:11:41 AM
 times ain't got that hard yet.

   I'm thinking glasses and googly eyes and such. Place them at every imaginable position and see what your imagination finds. Get other opinions from family and friends too. They will see something you don't.

   Good luck and if you sell out and need more come see me and bring a trailer. :D
 No times are not that hard yet. ;D
Yes, I did that and took a bunch of photos, but I didn't want to load up the forum with whimsy. I need a better background besides the chair to help my cloudy mind visualize better. I might play with it some more today while I let my body recover. I have wood to stack and logs to skid, so light work today. I will be looking for more pieces to add to this 'work of art'.
 So with your basswood, did you have mold issues? I am guessing it did not sell like hot cakes? One other use for this is solid body guitars and I reached out to a luthier friend and he would like a few pieces, as well as some ash and poplar. I put a thing on my FB page looking for carvers.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 19, 2020, 08:25:47 AM
OGH,

  I did not have any mold issues but I left a 30" pedestal fan on it for 2 months when I first stacked and stickered it. I cut it to 8' logs because it was so big and all I could drag out with my Kawasaki 650 on the frozen ground in February. I left the biggest/butt log because I could not see how to cut it free of the rootball on the steep mountainside without the rootball rolling over the top of me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 19, 2020, 08:18:01 PM
Good to know WV, we get bad humidity, but I think you guys have us beat by a far piece.
 Well, today I was slow getting started, just kind of weary and dragging a little. I had that insurance cal and got all the understood, finally got at it by 10am and emptied and stacked the last of the split wood, then I parked the trailer and cleaned it off, cleaned up a little more in the splitting yard and burned the remaining junk I created, but I still have a 2 year backlog on stuff to burn to get things all cleaned up. I'll spread that out, that fire makes a lot of smoke and I have had it going for 3 days straight now.
 I got a surprise visit from one of my happy customers, he stopped by on his way home from food shopping with the wife to pick up the 2 remaining boards I owed him on his order and have been sitting here for a few weeks. We had a nice visit and it was a nice surprise and break in the day.
 After lunch I put the new winch on the skidding arch and removed the old one, plus the electric one I had put on there and never use. The new one is rated higher and has a really low ratio (too low, actually) and it works just fine. Then I went down across the road to fetch up the logs I had stashed over the past year. I forgot exactly what I had down there but it wasn't a lot, still it's another half days work to cut and split, so it's something. I think I will still be short, but closer.
 I played with my phone and the new window mount and shot some video of the trips up and down, but it was more comical and boring than anything. I picked out the least worst and am uploading it to YouTube now. It should take another hour or so and I can link it here later. Anyway, after that I was pretty well soaked, it was hot and humid here today and I know we have worse coming, but I am still adjusting to it like we all do each year. SO I knocked off. I did a quick run to the store for eggs, milk, and beer, then got on the yard tractor and mowed the lawn to get it done.
 When I was up at the store it was packed with weekend visitors, holy cow there are a ton of them! I wish they would just stay home for a few more weeks but they are walking around like 'it's over' and buying out the store. They didn't have my beer, all out. Now I am really ticked. We had plates from 4 different states in that parking lot and I wanted to tell them all 'go home and leave us alone'. But, that would be rude. ;D An age old question popped into my head as I left: "If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot 'em?" :D ;D fudd-smiley
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 19, 2020, 08:21:57 PM
It’s good they had your beer 😂
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 19, 2020, 08:23:22 PM
No all out 😡
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 19, 2020, 09:02:08 PM
No all out 😡
I had to settle for a 12 pack, now I have to go back sooner than I wanted to.
 The video finished uploading so without further ado, here is about 4 and a half minutes of your life you will never get back. ;D :D
Picking up logs - YouTube (https://youtu.be/89JzQUde8Mg) 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 19, 2020, 09:11:51 PM
looks like fun!!!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 19, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
looks like fun!!!
Sometimes, but it is wearing me out. Now I have another handful of logs to buck and split. Seems like it never ends. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on June 19, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
Nice video. Giving yourself and the mule a workout deserves a few cold ones 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 21, 2020, 07:03:48 AM
I guess that cumulatively I had over done it a bit in the last week and not hydrated enough in general. It finally caught up with me and yesterday I just crashed. I got up at 4am because I couldn't sleep anymore, had some coffee, felt blah, then tired again and went back to bed at 7 (I never do that unless I am sick) and slept until 8:30, thought that might help but I just felt blah with no energy. So I just blew the day off and did nothing (well I did a lot of reading, see below). Didn't even feel like poking around in the shop at all.  (I did find a friend on FB that I have not talked to in 30 years and as he had a big influence on me when I was in my 20's I wanted to hook back up and tell him how I am doing. He is in his 80's now.) I did go out in the evening for a few minutes and plan on working out there today. I found a dumb thing I did back 10 days ago, when the firewood became available and I got jumping on that I dropped everything in the shop right where it was. I had one 2x2' tabletop that was finished on one side, but just sanded on the other. I had it queued up to finish the second side, but never got to it. Well apparently, the humidity decided to do it's thing and the unfinished side dried up and shrank faster than the finished side.

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So I flipped it over and put my box planer on it for weight. Today I will sand off the finished side and see if I can get it back flat with some weight. I have a duplicate top, same wood, finished both sides with only a tiny bit of movement. So maybe I can get this a little better, it's spoiled now, so I will just try some stuff and see if anything can be done.

 I brought those odd shaped cookies in the shop and my wife and I had brainstormed up another idea. We have a bulk amount of mirrors she got on some kind of deal years back and she uses them to make mirrors with seashell frames and stuff like that. If I recess the back of the cookie and set the mirror in with some glazer's points, it might looks pretty slick. (Well it could  :D). 


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So I might piddle with that today. The bark is starting to dry and pull off as I expected. Too bad, with the heavy red oak bark, these would have looked neat. This tree was live standing just 10 days ago, so I should get moving on saving these cookies. Doc, I think I may try your alcohol trick on these, but I have to get them cut and do it soon. I also have to clean out that fuzzy dead stuff in the heart. It flakes like dry mud, so I should get out what I can before it gets a bath. I have only cut two to mess around with, so I may cut the rest today and get them soaked and in the box. Do you air dry them before you box them for a few hours or just put them right in the box? I have forgotten that detail.
 I don't feel like I am raring to go this morning, but I have been up since 5 and feel fairly good. Ready to cook some breakfast and get out to the shop doing light work. It's supposed to hit 90 today so I will mostly stay on shop work. 

 OH, I almost forgot! I had an interesting development on Friday. I was looking to see who might have an interest in Basswood because of the impending log run and I contacted a luthier friend, who told me what he wanted in ash, poplar, and basswod. Then on a whim I contacted a friend who is a co-director of a premiere Luthier's show and asked if he knew any local luthier's looking for wood. He gave me the name of a guy who has a Luthier's supply and we hooked up. The fella is interested in doing business and knows a lot about wood (much more than I do) and exactly how he needs it milled. Mostly he wants quartersawn, but he also supplies wood turners, so there is other stuff. I gave him my number and we will likely talk this week. The problem for me is the quartersawn part. With a manual mill, no log turners, poor log clamps, and a skill set on the low end, this is going to be quite a challenge for me. I spent several hours yesterday reading everything I could find here from @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) and all the other fine contributors and creators of that knowledge base. After re-reading the important parts I have come to the working conclusion that for me, with all my limitations, the only way to do it is the old way by quartering the log and making a jig to hold the log in the correct position. My plain jane clamps will not hold those angles used in RRQS. Having said that, I can't see how I am going to be able to make 8/4 x 8" that seems to be the base need for luthiers because this will require big logs which are nearly impossible to handle on and off by hand. So this is going to be a huge, and I suspect very frustrating, learning curve for me as well as time and log consuming. But I will give it a try. I will know more after I have a chat with this new contact. 
 SO things are still moving, just a little slower in this heat until I adjust.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 21, 2020, 07:59:09 AM
OGH,

  On that table tell the customer it is crowned (like a road) to naturally shed water. Or flip it over and let that be the top and tell them it is cupped to hold any spills before they reach the carpet.

    Sorry to hear you've caught a case of the doo-dahs but that should pass. Glad you got hold of your old mentor. That sounds like time well spent.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 21, 2020, 08:04:03 AM
OGH,

  On that table tell the customer it is crowned (like a road) to naturally shed water. Or flip it over and let that be the top and tell them it is cupped to hold any spills before they reach the carpet.
I could put a little cup at one end to catch the spills. :D Yeah, it's a learning experience and another chance to laugh at my own folly and now see if I can 'fix it' and learn some more. As my little thing on the left here says '   still learning' ( I should add... 'the hard way'.)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 21, 2020, 08:16:17 AM
I am the same way.  I can go gang busters for a few days, and then hit a wall.  on your table top, might spritz the unfinished side, and see if it will move back a little.  or lay a wet rag on it for a while (on the dry unfinished side).  If you think it is a bust, could even float it in some water unfinished side down.  or just remove the finish and let it sit.  the center board grain looks to be the culprit as the outer rings are flexing the whole top.  for the bass wood, remember the flat sawn stuff near the center of the log is quarter sawn.  I do not recall your cut throat width, but could start by taking the center three 8/4 boards full width.  these can then be cut in half, and cut out the pith wood in the center of the mid slab.  you can then cut the remaining two "half moon"  pieces on and cut the middle 8/4 slabs from the middle.  how long do they want?  if they like it shorter, it will make it all easier to move around.  Oak cookies may be the hardest to dry in cookie form, but one of the theoretical tricks is to cut out the center.  your hollow tree has done that already.  as well, with a hole up the center of the log, the inner wood is already dryer than it would be.  If barks is getting loose, I gently pull it on off and just glue it back on.  the cambium that grows fastest in the spring, is the weak point.  after gluing it back on at this separation point, it is on "forever". My apologies for stating things you may already know.  what is the outside diameter of your hollow cookies?  I soaked my cookies in a 30 gallon mobile oil drum.  a close fit, means you need less denatured alcohol.  cheapest I found is in 5 gallon containers from Menards.  Sunnyside is the brand.  As you may recall, I dried them in a box after soaking. Happy Fathers day! good luck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 21, 2020, 10:06:26 AM
I am the same way.  I can go gang busters for a few days, and then hit a wall.  on your table top, might spritz the unfinished side, and see if it will move back a little.  or lay a wet rag on it for a while (on the dry unfinished side).  If you think it is a bust, could even float it in some water unfinished side down.  or just remove the finish and let it sit.  the center board grain looks to be the culprit as the outer rings are flexing the whole top.  for the bass wood, remember the flat sawn stuff near the center of the log is quarter sawn.  I do not recall your cut throat width, but could start by taking the center three 8/4 boards full width.  these can then be cut in half, and cut out the pith wood in the center of the mid slab.  you can then cut the remaining two "half moon"  pieces on and cut the middle 8/4 slabs from the middle.  how long do they want?  if they like it shorter, it will make it all easier to move around.  Oak cookies may be the hardest to dry in cookie form, but one of the theoretical tricks is to cut out the center.  your hollow tree has done that already.  as well, with a hole up the center of the log, the inner wood is already dryer than it would be.  If barks is getting loose, I gently pull it on off and just glue it back on.  the cambium that grows fastest in the spring, is the weak point.  after gluing it back on at this separation point, it is on "forever". My apologies for stating things you may already know.  what is the outside diameter of your hollow cookies?  I soaked my cookies in a 30 gallon mobile oil drum.  a close fit, means you need less denatured alcohol.  cheapest I found is in 5 gallon containers from Menards.  Sunnyside is the brand.  As you may recall, I dried them in a box after soaking. Happy Fathers day! good luck.
Yeah, I certainly hit the wall but not as bad as I have in the past where not only am I exhausted but the back is also shot. The back has been holding up very well since I started with my Chiropractor on a regular monthly tune up. Things are in balance now so that I don't get silly injuries. Since the back holds up longer, I work longer and harder until the rest of me gives out. Then it all crashes and feels like an all day hangover that won't quit (or so I am told) ;D :D. I just needed a day, so I took it. Also, I broke my own rule of mixing heavy and light work through the day and that did not help my case at all. Today I have a long list of little things.
 I already re-sanded that table top and whetted the shrunken side then sat it on some bottle caps with the crown side up and set my box planer (fairly heavy) on top. Lessee wa' happens. :) It took time to screw it up, it will take time to fix, right?
Yes on all for the cookies. I bought a gallon of alcohol a year ago when you suggested it, but haven't even opened it. I have a shallow aluminum wash pan I think the cookies will fit in, so I will try doing the soak/pour over/baste method and see how it goes. I got the log set up for cutting and also marked the logs I skidded up yesterday. But it is so quiet and pleasant here this morning (so far) that I really don't want to start up a saw just yet. When the little Indians kids next door start hollering and carrying on, the saw gets rolling. ;D
 I also spent some time contemplating the new filler loft for the dust collector and checking my 'materials on hand'. Looks like I have everything I need, (an unexpected surprise) plus a plan now. Just not sure I am going to start that today, it's like a can of worms and will entail a lot of shuffling of equipment, removing railings, and moving stuff. Maybe I will make that a job over a couple of evenings. I am going to do a plywood floor on this one to keep the dust upstairs.
 SO a better start today than yesterday. I just came in for a final cup of coffee and to decide what I am doing next and I had better do it soon before the kids start calling to set up 'something to do for father's day'. If they want they can come and run the splitter. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 21, 2020, 09:43:27 PM
Well, I guess I sort of lied. ;D I did nothing with the cookies today, didn't even cut them. When I went back out to the shop and thought some more about the loft connection I just decided to get into it. Now it's pretty much done, except for deck paint.

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It's a tiny bit of floor space to be sure, but every foot here counts and it will hold the dust collector for sure without impacting the rest of the floor plan. SO it's important floor space.

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It's not often you can add a piece of equipment to the shop and then just 'create' the floor space to hold it. That part feels good. Now I have to relocate the ceiling fan yet again because it is a definite hazard where it is now, nearly got my ears lowered when I stepped out on the deck to try it for the first time. I also have to run a 220 line, paint the new floor section, figure out the ducting and all the other details and install that stuff, after I buy it. SO it will be a while yet
Doing the tiny deck on a 45 gave me a chance to break out my trig skills again to figure out the joist lengths and the little project filled the day, taking down the rails, relocating the posts, re-cutting the rails and all those little things just took the whole day. But at least I got something done.
After dinner my daughter came over with some very thoughtful Father's day gifts, a couple of steaks, some delicacies, some REALLY nice oranges and other goodies. She knows I love cheese and there are some real winners in there too. We had a very nice visit besides. SO all in all, a very nice day all around, but it was hot and humid for sure!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 22, 2020, 09:28:52 PM
ANothre light day, but man it got hot here. It hit 90 and the humidity was 'not comfortable'. I rolled some more logs to make a tidy pile and more room for the logs I was fetching today. I lost about 2 hours driving around trying to solve a hitch problem for the trailer (long story, I don't want to talk about it. :() then finally got my act together and headed to downtown Conesville around mid afternoon and met Eric at the store. I followed this truck back to his yard:

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We loaded some logs, really nice straight Basswood, one is a honker for my mill size, but it will fit  ;D ,and topped off the load with a poplar I need for a Luthier friend to try and do some quarter sawing on. I dropped it in my yard at 7pm:

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Not as big a load as last time, which is good, because that was a long drive. I have not scaled these yet, but the driving was easy and I only had to pull over once to let a guy with some sort of personal emergency go by. :D I like to take my time and save my brakes. Got 13 MPG on the way up (Empty) and 15 MPG on the way back (loaded). Go figger. Of course, Barge is 55 miles from me and about 1,000' higher in elevation, so there is that. ;D
 Also this morning when I was working on the pile I shot a video for a friend on mine who was by the other day and could not figure out how I stacked my logs when I had no lifting equipment. I tried to explain it, but the video works better for him I think. So here is that too, just for a giggle.
YouTube (https://youtu.be/02_w1nVudWE)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 22, 2020, 10:44:51 PM
   That top log almost looks like a beech to me. Which kind of wood is it?

    I know I almost got overheated cutting, bundling and stacking tomato stakes in the heat right after noon. Came in and got a cool shower, ate a couple of slices of cantaloupe and drank several ice cold diet sodas (Yeah - I know water would have been better) and almost felt human after that. Watch that heat. It can creep up on you.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 22, 2020, 11:38:25 PM
The top log in the second photo is poplar. the lighting may have something to do with that. The poplar, Basswood (linden), and ash already in the pile will all be candidates for me to try getting better at quarter sawing. This is what the luthier folks want for good sound. They have a mini-festival called 'Tone Wood" in conjunction with the Luthiers show here in Woodstock. (The Woodstock Invitational Luthiers Showcase (http://www.woodstockinvitational.com/) is a major guitar show in the world of Luthiers.) The Tonewood festival fair sized tent between the many buildings where the show is held. I have walked through a time or two. Very select woods and I see guys coming out after spending a couple hundred bucks and they are carrying all their wood purchase in their arm. :) The show was on hiatus this past year (21st year) and hopefully it will be a good one this year in October. I plan more time in the Tone Wood tent this time. I work the show handling the gate and arrangements for all the artists doing workshops and don't get a lot of time to get around to the rest of the show, just an hour or so a day for the 3 days. Frankly I never gave much thought to make wood for instruments (I mean, these guys I meet are some of the best in the world, they come to this show from all continents except Antarctica. Now I am wondering. They buy the best wood they can from anywhere on the globe where they can find it.) If you have ever met cabinet makers that covet their wood for certain projects, try meeting some luthiers. They take it to another level. I know a friend who collected some spruce that was cut for aeroplane struts more than 60 years ago (for bi-plane restorations). He uses it and stores it like it was gold. It makes great acoustic guitar and mandolin faces.
 Anyway, if I can provide something that helps these guys and gals out I would be up for that. :) I know I have a long way and a lot of learning to get there, it's something I would like to work on. Maybe that is a little niche I can fill.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 23, 2020, 09:32:45 AM
OGH,

   What kind of poplar? When I talk about poplar I think of tulip poplar. I understand some people are talking about cottonwood or such. Your bark looks different than my tulip poplar. Clarification please.

   The Luthier market sounds real interesting. How wide and how thick do they want it? I'm envisioning 4" wide strips about 1/4" thick. I know they plane it down real thin. And maybe they want it KD then resawed to real thin strips.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 23, 2020, 10:09:39 AM
You know I am still working on my species identification skills :D, I believe it is yellow (tulip) poplar and we are on the very of it's range here. They were planted in many parks and residential areas down in the suburban areas south of here. Perhaps we can get @BargeMonkey (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24634) to weigh in here, as he cut these and should know best.

 The Luhiers I have talked to all ask for 8/4. They like to let their wood set for a long time and settle down, then they re-saw off their thinner pieces as they need them. (Re-saws are one of the most important machines in a Luthier's shop.) I am just getting into this and need to have a lot of educational discussions before I have a better understanding. The stock I see selling at the show are usually long time dried pieces that have been re-sawn, then sold at about 3/8 to 5/8 thick by the square foot. Luthiers will look far and wide for THE right species in THE right size, and of THE right age. In some cases they look for wood that came from a specific tree that was used used in the making of another particular instrument which produces a particular tone quality. 8/4 is also the starting size for solid guitar bodies and neck blanks. SO I have been specifically asked to provide 8/4 by 7" wide minimum. The Luthier I know best makes high end finely detailed solid body basses, acoustic guitars, and does a lot of repair and restoration work on more valuable older instruments.
 I know another luthier who makes lap steel guitars as well as solid body guitars and his wife is a very well known lap steel and Dobro player around the world. I need a special occasion to run into him, like a gig or other performance and with the shutting down of local gigs, that will take a while, although I could probably wangle a meeting if I had something specific to discuss that was of interest to him. There is also a premiere custom production Luthier with several employees, not very far away I would like to talk to eventually. I know his performance work and he recognizes me from my work at the shows and being at many of his gigs. We have not talked wood....yet. ;D All of these guys make instruments that sell for between 2-6,000 bucks, some higher.
 In short, there are about 5 Luthiers I know within a 10 minute drive of my house and if you widen the scope to Luthiers I know about and within 20 miles the number grows to about 20, perhaps more. This is a music rich area.
 SO yes, this possible outlet interests me greatly but I am well aware that just like learning to make music around here, I am stepping into a world class market from the start rather than working my way into it slowly as I learn. It's kind of like when I go to a gig with some local world class performers and when they are jamming afterwards they ask me to join in, either being polite, or just inclusive I don't know, but I always decline. How does one just jump into a full bore jam with touring pros? One does not. :D Same thing with wood, I have to take it slow and careful and learn my way. As my Dad would say "keep my ears and eyes open, and my mouth shut."
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 23, 2020, 10:27:31 AM
   Thanks for the Luthier lesson. There is an awful lot to learn about it. I guess it is not as simple a nailing an old turtle shell to a broomstick and stretching some fishing line across the front of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liriodendron_tulipifera (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liriodendron_tulipifera)

    The tulip poplar has one of the most distinct leaves out there so if you can find the leaves you can quickly verify it. The bark looks thinner and the wood looks denser to me in your picture compared to what I typically see here. It is common to find a greenish core/pith in some tulip poplar and occasionally we find it with a purple/blue tint to it. Maybe all the acid rock from the nearby Woodstock music festival curled the leaves and affected the bark and wood texture. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 23, 2020, 10:42:03 AM
 It is common to find a greenish core/pith in some tulip poplar and occasionally we find it with a purple/blue tint to it. Maybe all the acid rock from the nearby Woodstock music festival curled the leaves and affected the bark and wood texture. :D
Um yeah, well, probably not. That festival was about 70 miles from where this tree grew. ;D
 I will post some photos when I get it open. I will likely start with the Basswood (aka Linden).
Did I mention that I saw 4 bull Elk yesterday? That was pretty neat! A cow or two also. Always something new when I go to Conesville! :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on June 23, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
I heard the music was pretty loud!!! :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: BargeMonkey on June 24, 2020, 12:31:01 AM
 Its tulip, just been in the sun a bit. Poplar up here doesn't get much bigger and it goes hollow, normally we dont cut much of it, it pays nothing for pulpwood. Elevation plays a big part in wood species and how it looks, the oak off the mountain looks funny compared to here. I hammered the daylights out of that job down there where we loaded the 1st load and cut anything that would make a stick of wood, getting turned into 5acre building lots, got turned into DEP and DEC for that one. 🤣 Going back to where we did the class next week if you need some pine ? 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on June 24, 2020, 07:32:52 AM
Interested to see how that  Luthier thing plays out, something I know nothing about, learning is good.  Glad the firewood wood is done for the house. You are way ahead of me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 24, 2020, 08:04:35 AM
Thanks Barge, I was pretty sure, but then I wasn't, and the bark was not quite right. I should know this stuff, but I never stop learning, and yes I had thought about how the bark looks different on all trees depending on age and environment, so I was truly, and easily, confused. Red Oak and Scarlet oak mess with my head all the time. ;D I am good on pine for now, but what you told me on Monday about your sales of pine table slabs had me thinking I may try a few for the fun of it with one or two of the logs I have on hand. Gonna need another drying rack. >:( For those keeping score, Monday's load was 2,400# and 330 BF. A small load for sure, but very nice logs. I still have yet to stack them, really oppressive weather here yesterday and I had other distractions, so I got nothing done after scaling and returning the trailer.
 Nebraska, I am not near done with my firewood. Still need another cord and a half for the house before I even start on the shop wood, but there is a plan... ;D
 Yes, I have not heard from the Luthier supply guy yet but I have an awful lot to learn. I am anxious to get a log up and start quartersawing or butchering it up as I learn. But first I have to get the stack piled again and clean up the firewood logs laying ti the driveway, also some shop work to clear up. We got over a quarter inch of rain in 2 hours overnight, so everything is dripping, but at least the dust is down for a while. It got so bad here that I could tell where the fly's were because when they farted a dust cloud would rise up. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 24, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
Well today was a lot more productive. We had 1/3" of rain overnight and it cooled things off just a tad. SO I got out and got to it and I just now realized I didn't have breakfast this morning. :) 
 First thing I got all those new logs up on the pile and out of the way. Then I bucked all the firewood logs I had in the yard.

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Then I got them all split. That made for exactly a overfull trailer load and I moved it over to the pile, had a quick lunch and stacked it all. I have not measured it yet but I still feel like I need a cord and a half to finish the house wood. This last load was an easy half cord but it just seemed to disappear into the pile. SO looking like 3 loads more to finish and I am pretty much out of logs here, I have a few piddly ones left to skid up from across the road and maybe some out of what I am getting from a neighbor down the road, but I was hoping for saw logs out of that mostly. Anyway, this is how the pile sits now.


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 I have noticed gloves don't last long when you are doing wood. These were new when I started firewood not 2 weeks ago.


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 I like the lighter gloves just to keep the splinters out of my hands.  Guess I have to go with something heavier. 
 After that was done it was time for something lighter, so as the mail brought the cable I ordered today and fedex brought the WAP yesterday I decided to do that task. I neglected to mention, but I did something dumb while doing the firewood. In my haste I stacked wood (lots of wood) in front of the WiFi router hanging under my porch that provides Wifi to the shop. The wood blocked the signal pretty well. ;D By the time I realized what I had done, it was too late. No way am I going to move all that wood to get at the WAP and move it. SO I got a used one on Ebay and ordered 150' of Cat5 cable and today I ran the wire out to the shop and hooked up the WAP. Now I have flawless access in the shop. I had wanted to do that all along anyway, just kept putting it off. It only took an hour and a half and a little bit of hand trenching.
 I use the internet in the shop to search for parts, tools, and supplies online, get some music or podcasts and occasionally netflix. It all keeps me company when I am working. It's just kind of background noise to keep me company. SO that is another thing done. Back in the 80's when I had my own full time shop, I had a big TV in the shop I got at a garage sale or something. It had rabbit ears and only got about 3 stations. Mostly what I remember having on were Andy Griffith re-runs and Gun Smoke, drag net, adam 12, and stuff like that. It was just company. I don't think I ever actually watched it, just listened in the background. Silence can be distracting for me. Guess I am weird, but I am retired, so I can do as I please now, right? The WiFi is pretty handy for looking stuff up when you are fixing old stuff, that is for sure!
 I have no idea what I am doing tomorrow (yet), but I am sure I will get something done. Maybe it's time to get back on the mill? But I have shop cleanup to do after the loft extension build and projects out there that need work too. I guess I will just see how I feel in the morning. It's not as if I lack for things to do. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 24, 2020, 08:18:12 PM
OGH,

   Looking good. I have a problem with gloves too.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2006~1.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1593044246)
 Probably not quite the same problem. ::)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 24, 2020, 08:20:32 PM
No, not the same issue. By the way, I've been meaning to ask and keep forgetting, how is the hand coming along?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on June 24, 2020, 09:34:45 PM
   Its much better. Today was second day of PT. I can now hold the steering wheel on my truck and this afternoon I even repaired my riding mower (Replaced a broken spindle on the deck) and mowed the entire yard. Will need to mow again in a day or two as was like a hay field. Too wet, had to cut on max height and even had to adjust the side to side level on the deck but it looks a whole lot better. Monday I had 90 lbs strength in R hand and 20 in left. Still hard to close it and index finger is tender when I bump it but light years ahead of what it was 3 weeks ago tonight. I expect full recovery.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 26, 2020, 07:37:25 PM
Well today I sho 'nuff got in a pretty full day. (yesterday I played the part of an old retired guy that just could not get his butt going in the heat  :D). Actually we had to take one grandson down to the school to pick up his 1st grade diploma, both his parents were working so we made it out mission for the day. On the one hand I am thinking 'poor kid, no little ceremony' but on the other hand I am remembering how stressed these little folks get being put under the spotlight. Seems like it is always a rough day for them, so this wasn't so bad, and we made the rest of the day for him. SO I didn't get much done except when he and I did some cleaning in the shop. He likes to help me clean, especially if there is a vacuum involved. ;D
 Today was the day to fire that mill back up and get the decks cleared for my quarter sawing experiment. I had a bunch of short logs I had culled out of the firewood to make curved benches. Those benches the @WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) makes have been growing on me and yes, I am trying the 'flat on two sides' method also. I like the way they look better than what I have been doing so I am stealing the idea. 8) I had a RO log on the mill that I had left 3 weeks ago when the firewood called me. I finished that off first, all in 8/4 slabs and got that stickered up. Then I had 4 or 5 of the short logs and I had fun with the easy manipulating of them and getting the cut to give the best curve.
 It was really nice to be able, for at least once, to back the logs onto the mill.


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By golly it was hot when the sun came around the back of the shop and I finally had to work with no shirt. This is very rare for me, I cannot remember the last time I did it, but I can say I had a better looking body then ;D. The sweat was running off in streams, but I wanted to get these logs done.

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Above is one of the RO logs. Not a great curve, but it is a curve. And this is the one ash log I had in the lot:

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I went through these as fast as I could with the sun beating on my back, still it pretty much took all day to cut stack and sticker. I wound up with this stack, plus two other small ones on the far side of the rack.

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That sun makes you work fast and these little logs went fairly quick, still there is a lot of handling and sometimes I moved too fast. I had as close a call as I want to this log clamp. Any closer and it would have slipped up and hit the blade.

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Still, no hits(today). When I started this morning I had my first ever 4° blade on which I had already used to do all the cherry a few weeks ago, plus some other stuff and the beginning of the big RO log. It had the tell tale shine on the blade tips telling me it was time for a change, but the thing is, it was still cutting SO DanG Flat! So I figured I would let it go for a while and see when the cut started to degrade. I milled all today's wood with it with hardly a wave or complaint. It was getting a little hard to push on that last Ash log, which was old, dead, and very dry and hard. It's still on the mill. I will open the next log with it and then change it (maybe  :D). I am so happy with these WM double hard 4° blades that I will never order anything else unless there is a darn good reason.
 After all the milling, I finally cut those cookies with the holes in them and loaded them into the mule. All is in the shop now, but I am too tired to work on them tonight. I don't know if I can keep the pace up tomorrow, but I have a green and short RO log by the mill I will probably make 4/4 boards out of, then we proceed with the quarter saw project on a bass wood log. They are predicting good rain for tomorrow, so that may be a wash, we shall see. I might get a couple of hours before I am rained out. Right now, I just want a beer.  :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on June 26, 2020, 09:26:56 PM
Your Grandson does better than mine.  ;D 
I had him sweeping, next thing I know he is sweeping dirt into the garage.  ???  Oh well he was having fun. I don't think he was even 5 years old. One of my friends was here, and I can still hear him laugh about it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 26, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
Your Grandson does better than mine.  ;D
I had him sweeping, next thing I know he is sweeping dirt into the garage.  ???  Oh well he was having fun. I don't think he was even 5 years old. One of my friends was here, and I can still hear him laugh about it.
Like most human behavior, mine has deep roots. We went through that a couple of years ago (and are still going thru it with the 4 year old to some extent). When I wanted to learn how to use tools and run machines my Dad started me out by learning how to sweep the shop. He said 'you need to learn from the ground up and if you can't keep the shop clean, you can't take care of the equipment, and if you can't take care of the equipment, you have no business running equipment, not my equipment anyway.'
 SO yeah, I have a 'thing' with that. It's not like I am a nutso clean freak, but I hate working in a shop full of sawdust, scattered tools, and scrap everywhere. So I don't clean everyday, but I do clean regularly and the boys like helping with that because they can do it without an adult holding their hand every second. Yeah, we did the sweeping dirt into the shop thing for quite a while, but we are making progress. ;D
 I guess it's like my version of "Wax on, wax off", the zen approach to mechanical aptitude. (tm)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on June 27, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
They are learning so much just watching you work. They see a work ethic that somehow society seems to be teaching many kids that it's unnecessary.They will see that hard work and perseverance will pay off. It has for you,  being your own boss and everything....(mostly) ;) you are married.....
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 27, 2020, 08:30:54 AM
,  being your own boss and everything....(mostly) ;) you are married.....
That is an illusion most smart women allow us to believe. :D ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 29, 2020, 08:11:17 PM
Didn't get much done yesterday just some piddling in the shop painting, sanding, cleaning, planning, etc. The humidity was way too high to apply any finishes.
 Today I put a coat of urethane on that table that warped on me after finally getting it to lay back down. I should go do the other side when I finish this post if it's dry enough to flip before it moves again. Then I headed out to the mill and finished off the last RO (small) log I had queued up and cleared the decks to start this quarter sawing test. Just a handful of 4/4 boards because I don't have any 4/4 RO in the rack. Nothing special. This had a rot hole up the center so I had to work around that and used the remaining 4x4 center to make 2 short ramps to help roll logs up on the mill. Near the end of that log the engine on the mill started balking under load. It had made one funny 'pop' when I tried to start it, but then ran just fine at idle. But at the high end under load it was throwing just a little smoke and balking a bit, it got worse as I finished up the last board or two. Now, I had a 4° blade on there, the first one I tried and I knew it was dull, but as it was my first one, I left it on to see how far it would go before it stopped cutting flat, but it hung right in there making good boards all along but it did get harder to push and did make the mill buck near the end, so I had to go slow and controlled. When it was done I stickered everything up and then put a new 4° blade on, cleaned and greased and oiled some stuff as I went. I also pulled the air filter and cleaned some dust out of the pre-filter, but the paper filter is pristine. Tomorrow I will check the plug, but the first cut should tell the tale. I spent some time marking out and planning how to cut the log and was just about ready to give it a shot when the sky opened up and I had to cover the mill and get under cover myself. So just another day. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on June 30, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Well I thought today was a washout/shop day and it started out that way. I did some finishing work in the shop, but around lunch time it kind of cleared and the radar had big enough breaks that I thought I could risk it. I took the smallest basswood log and took a shot at quarter sawing it. It is a really tough wood to see the grain structure in. It is so white that all I could go by was the check marks in the ends. It came out pretty well. I took 8/4 out of the center, then worked on one log half and tired 2 different methods on each of the halves. The first one I did as a single half up on the edge. The second half I cut into quarters then laid those two down and milled them together. It took me a couple of hours to work through it. I got 50BF out of the log (which scaled to 40), but a few of the pieces are not quarter sawn. But obviously, it wasn't a big log.


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I also ran into this little guy today.

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Now I gotta run off and skid some logs. Hope it's not too late of a night. ;D

(edit to add 2.5 hours later): Just got done unloading logs. Forgot to mention that I pulled the plug on the mill this morning and cleaned it, it had light carbon build up. Between that and cleaning the air filter, it ran like a champ all afternoon. No issues. Also, I started with a new 4° blade on that log and managed to hit a log clamp on the second cut. It really ticked me off, I only have 5 of those blades and no cash to get another full box yet. But the next blade worked well and I am back to being careful again. SO not a bad day all around, and now it is raining again. >:(
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 01, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
Kind of an odd day today with the rain coming and going but not much rain coming down. I got out on the mill at 10am and put up the oldest log I had laying around. Got an order for 8' tomato stakes last night, yes, 8'. He wants 2 dozen. Man it was humid and I sweat buckets. The log wasn't as good as I thought and I will get a bunch of 3, 4, and 6' stakes out of it, but not a lot of good stuff at 8', so I threw up a fresh pine log after lunch and milled that one too. Now I have a mess of stakes waiting to be pointed. I just stacked them on the little trailer and drove the whole thing around and backed it right in the shop. Rain kept threatening all day and at a few points I was milling in a light rain, but it always passed. 3 miles away they got clobbered with some good rain.

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 Now I just have to figure out how to point these. My buddy has a lumberjack pointing tool he will lend me, but he can't find it in his shop. :D
 SO I will rig something up on the RA saw so I can trim the top square and point the end in the same handling. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 02, 2020, 08:21:25 PM
Well today was a full workday just putting in the labor. I pointed just over 7 dozen tomato stakes. I did the 8 footers for my customer order and he picked them up withing 2 hours ago when I told him they were ready, cash in hand. I took the remaining ones I had and cut them pretty much in half, thinking not too many folks want an 8' tomato stake, but 4' might sell. If I made 5', the remnant would be waste, so I opted for 4' to get two out of each (or most of them). There was come loss due to poor wood. So he has his 2 dozen, plus some extras and I have a little over 5 dozen with no immediate plans. Plus I have some random shorts (hey, you never know). SO what to do with all these things?
 SO I thought on it while doing the grunt work of pointing. As I have been meaning to throw a coat of paint on that little junk trailer I use for hauling stuff around the yard I had an idea. If i painted the trailer so it didn't look like yard waste itself, then made a rack and some signage, I could park the thing out on the front lawn during the day and see if it generates any traffic. Maybe I'll meet my neighbors at least.
 SO I have no photos of the stakes (just a 1.5" square stick with a 2 sided point) here is the trailer all painted up.

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Tomorrow I will make a rack and figure out some signs and how to make it look decent. Not a bad day. A lot of sweat, a happy customer (I didn't get a photo, but he did send me a photo of his garden with the stakes about and hour ago.), and a full workday with no 'old man' breaks. I will take a chance and try this out, who knows? The worst that will happen is i wasted some time finding out what folks down't want. i have a bunch of stakes that will sell eventually, or I can give away as good will, the trailer got painted and I was going to do it anyway, just needed an excuse, and I will have to make a display rack, but I am using job scraps of PT my son dropped off last night so the cost is just my time. I am still learning everyday.

 I also talked with my customer's wife, she wants a 6' bench to go with their large kitchen table, if she likes it, she will get a second one for the other side. We talked wood and sizes and other considerations. Looks like it will be pine to match the table, no live edges, with nice solid legs. I will have to work on the leg design, and of course, the log I need to use is at the bottom of my log pile, but it's an order, and I think I will make two from the get go, so they match. I'll take a risk on the second one, since they are taking a chance on me. :) Baby steps.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 03, 2020, 09:37:14 PM
Well I don't feel like I got much done today but I am tired and didn't quit until after 8. When I got in the shower the salt flooded my eyes all over again and burned like pepper spray on the second go 'round (or so I am told ;D).
 I had in mind to get the lawn mowed when it dried enough, but that never happened. It is tall enough now to be driving me crazy because it looks terrible. Every time it looked like I might have a shot, some rain came in, then in the afternoon we got a gully washer and we stand at about 1.5" for the day. 
 So shop work again. I made a rack for the tomato stakes and put that on the trailer. All from leftover drops from some job my son just finished that would have gone to the dump if I didn't take them, and of course I over built it as usual. But what are you going to do when you have a 4' piece of 2x12? So I used it. ;D I made up some signs, printed them and took them to the copy center in town to get laminated. Then I came back and tacked them up. I have a couple of small cheap things I can also put on the trailer, just to generate questions or interest in other stuff and I added a sign that lists other 'services available'. I figure the tomato stakes are just a conversation starter, if nothing else. I took inventory of the stakes on the trailer and it comes to just over $150. which is nothing and not really worth the work, but if it gets a connection or two, then it is worth it. So here is the trailer setup.

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After it was all done and I stepped back to asses my work I realized there was a pricing error on the sign for the 6' stakes. No matter, I am 'out of stock' on those anyway and I corrected it with a sharpie. I will get a new sign laminated next time I go to town.

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Then I looked around for some other small stuff to put on the trailer. I don't want to put any of the really nice tables out in the sun, but if folks express an interest, they can see them in the shop. So I found two of these cookies I have been messing with for a year and a half. I put the legs on them, did a quick light sand and a final coat of urethane to clean them up.

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I also found a bookshelf and a stool. I will also put a business card holder in there and call it good, for now. It's a work in progress, we will see how it goes. No rain in the forecast until Monday. I had thought a little about security too. I am not too worried about theft because I plan to put it out in the morning and take it in in the evening. That's the nice thing about the trailer, it's easy and I can pull that with the lawn tractor and just leave the tractor out there too. But I did find a nice spot to put a trail cam, just in case, and I set that up tonight and will check the card in the morning to see if I have it aimed right.
 The whole point of this, for me, is not to sell tomato stakes (which I never even THOUGHT of making until 4 days ago). The point is for the folks that travel my road to know I am here and have something to offer they might want. We are still just like a small town, and I am hoping I can use that network to get some sales going and get this ball rolling (slowly, but rolling none the less).
 My wife also tells me that an open air market in Woodstock has gotten the OK to re-open. This is like a cross between a flea market and a farmers market. You see household junk, LP's by the thousands, artists, food stuffs, craftsman, and any other creation you could imagine. Yes, the Woodstock nation is alive and well here. ;D Given the tourist load in Woodstock, it is a good location with possibilities for me. We (or I) plan to make a visit tomorrow and check it out and find out the details. My wife has never done this one...yet. I have not been up to Woodstock in 4 months, but judging by the weekend traffic which I can barely tolerate between Friday and Sunday, I would say the town is hopping pretty well under the circumstances. Since it's 'tourist season' and apparently we are still not allowed to shoot 'em, maybe I can sell 'em something?
 Anyway, tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 03, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
   The cookie stools look real nice but underpriced. Can you show the bottom with connections and such. Did you make the legs and if so more details. What kind of wood are they? The more I think of cookie benches the more I think they have to be thicker than my 8/4 LE benches. I like the looks of yours.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 03, 2020, 11:22:29 PM
Those are junk cookies I have been using for testing for 3 years now. The legs are from a clearance store and are really a little table. They can't be used as stools and look funky if you look underneath. Yes, If I had really strong hairpin legs they would be worth more, but these are just drink holder tables for a porch or fire pit.

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 Not real proud of the workmanship on this 'mount'.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 05, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
It was a lazy day yesterday. I figure it was a holiday and it couldn't hurt to goof off a little. I took a run over to Woodstock to check out that market first thing in the morning and see if it was something I might be interested in. Still thinking about it. I ran into a husband and wife pair making and selling nice little woodcarvings and we chatted a bit with an exchange of business cards at the end. They are interested in some basswood and also pointed me at a large local carving club. They want 16/4 materiel. We will be in touch soon. :)
 Then I came home and mowed the lawn which really needed it and I put out the trailer by the road edge and updated my Facebook page to let folks know. 

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Not one car or truck stopped all day. >:( I did notice about 3 slow down just a little. There was one FB share out there and as a result of that word got back to me that a fella I know with a land clearing and septic field business said he would "take everything I had". When I finally got hold of him late last night and this morning, that was refined to be '3 dozen, 4' stakes'. I gave him a price and he is happy, now he just has to pick them up, and the last time he bought some huge top boards for his dump (which I milled in a rush) it took a bit to get him to pick them up. But, his cash is the same color as everyone else's. ;D
 I spent most of the day sticking to the 'lazy' plan.:) Mostly I think I just needed a day 'off' so I took it. It was hot and humid and I soaked my t-shirt through before 10am. We had my son and his boys over in the evening for a little campfire and to watch the next door neighbor's shoot off a couple of paycheck's worth of fireworks. Much better this year than last. Last year it was too dry to think about it and they had stuff flying horizontal through the trees. (There may have been some alcohol involve, just guessing.) This year it is wetter and the stuff remained mostly vertical. The boys enjoyed the show. We managed to find a bag of stuff from years ago in the shop of little stuff and we shot off some bottle rockets and had sparklers for the boys. Then we got into the marshmallows for a while and they did pretty good with those, very few 'sacrifices' :D. We loaded them in the car around 11:30 in a semi-conscious condition. Apparently it was tough work for them.

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As for today, I have no idea. I slept really late and am slow to get going. Guess I will give that trailer another day and see if anyone stops to look. Maybe it was just a bad idea, but maybe not. You never know until you try and it only cost me a day or two of labor, so, what the heck?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on July 05, 2020, 12:28:24 PM
most folks were probably in route and or returning from plans and activities for the holiday.  You may get inquiries in 2 weeks generated by that roadside advertising.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on July 05, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
Yes my first thought was be patient, all good things take time. I think that little trailer was a good idea especially with all the other stuff you do. Glad you had a good fourth with family.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 05, 2020, 01:26:59 PM
Yeah, I figure it's a long game type of thing. 'bad idea' was not the best term to use. Just another idea. You try stuff and don't put too much money or effort in until you know if it works. I learned a long time ago the best opportunities came from the strangest places. Never thought I would run into carvers looking for wood yesterday and putting out the trailer did result on the indirect sale of 3 dozen stakes. So there is that.
Funny but I never noticed before that most folks drive with tunnel vision looking straight ahead and never even notice the trailer. Of course they are driving too fast so I guess that has something to do with it. My neighbor right across the road passed by at least 6 times yesterday I will bet 20 bucks he still hasn't seen that trailer. Every time I pass him on the road I wave and he never sees me even though we are facing each other. I think that is very strange, but he is not alone. It seems a lot of folks are like that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on July 05, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
How much road frontage do you have?  If you have a bit, make up some Burma Shave signs...  Something like

"Just" 

"Ahead" 

"Sharp" 

"Sticks"

or 

"Beef" 

"Steak" 

"Tomato" 

"Stakes" 

or some other goofy thing to make them slow down and look around.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: firefighter ontheside on July 05, 2020, 07:06:02 PM
“Should”
“have”
“Bought”
“A”
“Squirrel”
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 05, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
Great ideas guys, I love the burma shave signs, I have a book around here with a lot of the text from them somewhere. 
 Sorry, but I don't have that kind of frontage, but it is a fun idea. Now y'all are going to have a good laugh at this, but I never told you that I live on a 'no outlet' road.Yeah, I know, on your side of this page your are probably laughing and wondering what kind of an idiot I am, but it's not as bad as you might think. You actually can get through and out the other side, but it requires a couple of things: A vehicle with a good suspension, knowing the landowner of the last piece of property, or the ability to drive faster than said landowner can draw a bead. ;D The road is about 2-3 miles long and we get a fair amount of traffic. What I miss is the folks that live between me and the corner, they rarely come down this way. Again, mostly I am doing this to raise curiosity. Another dry day today though. >:( Now my wife wants me to add some small bundles of camp wood for the folks that rent B&B's on the road. I dunno. I was thinking of putting a short slab or two out there for a few days.
 Another lazy day today. pretty warm here and I think maybe if I took it a little easier on the weekends I can be more focused during the week. (Well anyway, it sounded good today when I didn't feel like doing anything. :D) It was just such a pretty day and the neighbors were away so it was quiet. I listened to the birds (and a few minutes ago, the owls) and relaxed. Back to the normal grind tomorrow. ;D
 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 05, 2020, 09:02:45 PM
“Should”
“have”
“Bought”
“A”
“Squirrel”
I assume this was your referenc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwXF6itJn1o)e?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 12, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Been a while since I updated. I haven't been doing many photos either, mostly household chores. I spent Friday afternoon at NYBHH's place, we were postulating on a design for a portable fire control system he can move around his property and have a water supply so he can burn safely. I brought over a pump, some plumbing, and another tank and we played by the creek moving water and talking through the design. I got pretty wet here and there when I wasn't fast enough on the valves, but it was SO hot, who cared? ;D By the evening, we had some good concepts to work with and before I got home he had a lot of the basics spec'ed out already. Sorry, no photos.
 As I said, it has been hot so I have been diddling on little things here and there but nothing special. I did get one person stop to look at the goods on the front lawn yesterday, a neighbor I have known for many years.  He didn't need any of the stuff I had on the trailer but asked if I knew where he could get a few batten boards.  ;D 'Yeah, sure, c'mon back to the stack'. It didn't take long to find some of the little basswood pieces I threw on the drying stack with no plan for them. He even liked the one live edge that I offered to take off. So no direct sales from the display, but at least I got someone who stopped and another connection resulted from it. This is exactly what I had hoped for. :) It's' slow, but it works, sort of.
 My son finished a job on Friday that he had rented scaffolding for and he can't return it until Monday, so he left it in the shop for the weekend. ;D Since I put that little 45° loft up, the ceiling fan has intruded into the working area and is not safe. I have already had a few close calls. I needed to move it for a 3rd (hopefully final) time. My original new spot had the scaffolding out in the middle of the floor and the design on this system has you climb up the outside then swing around the rail on the outside to get on the deck. This thing is narrow (2') and with all my weight 8' off the floor it got pretty tipsy when I tried to swing around. I didn't have a step ladder high enough to get me up there either. I re-thought my location choice. And settled for something safe, but closer to the upstairs decks. I could step from the deck onto the scaffold. However the thing was pretty wobbly for an old guy and I was not comfortable working above my head. So I ran a couple of strap boards  and screwed them to the deck on the floor and the scaffold.

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This firmed it up pretty well. I was mindful of many 'did something dumb today' posts (had a few myself) and I did not feel like creating a new one today. My balance isn't what it once was and I was, admittedly, very tensed up which is also not good. But I managed to get it done and do a proper job.

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After I got all that stuff cleaned up and the scaffold ready to return to the renter I decided to get some logs ready to put on the mill. I got one old clunker EWP yanked out and I thought the pile would drop, but it didn't. I don't like having an unstable pile with the boys playing here. They know not to climb on it, but that is something I am not taking a chance on, so I rolled one log with a can't hook to fill a hole, but there was another 'hanger' and I could not roll it by hand with the other logs on top of it. What to do? Well I found another application for the MagicMan Hook (tm).

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I gave it a tug with the Mule and over she came and the pile settled down. My problem is still the big EWP on the bottom I need to get out and milled for a job. I'll figure that out another day. I tried to  discuss it with my office manager but she didn't seem to care.

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Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 12, 2020, 08:54:59 PM
OGH,

  Great to hear from you again. I was getting worried since I had not seen anything here in about a week. Glad you had a productive day. I am surprised about the basswood for battens as I would not think they are durable enough but once the customer buys them that is his issue. I try to give them a suggestion but ... I took a sample piece of buckeye to a lady at the flea market today. A 1X4 about 3' long (1 bf). It has air dried 18 months, very light and a pretty sample. She is doing more woodburning and her husband does my Lichtenburg engraving. I will see what she thinks of it. I think she uses a lot of 3" pieces 8-9 inches long. I told her I could stand one on edge and resaw one of my 12/4 pieces into thin pieces if she likes. We will see.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on July 12, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
Like WV said good to hear from you 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 12, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Aw, you guys missed me. ;)  I have been posting on other threads all week. I guess those weren't noticeable? ;D I think I spent this week trying to figure out if the heat is just getting to me, or if I have the early 'retirement blues'. :D
 Yeah, I would not have picked the basswood either and advised him as such, but I believe he is going to paint it, so it should still be OK. He needed so little that it wasn't really worth worrying about. 
 I don't get any buckeye here, hope your customer likes it.
 I forgot to mention in the previous post that I spent a day jacking up and supporting the new drying rack I built several weeks ago. I underestimated the weight (actually just didn't think about it enough) so I had to jack it up in the middle and add supports or legs as I could to get it back to flat. Probably gonna make another smaller one this week. We will see how the weather goes. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 12, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
OGH,

   Actually I had noticed your posts on some of the other threads so I figured you were still alive and assumed you were too busy to post. Reminds me of the time I got a letter from an old HS buddy I had not heard from for several years. He wrote "I'd have wrote sooner but the fish were biting." Who can refute logic like that? :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on July 13, 2020, 09:28:57 AM
Yeah some of us wondered  what you had been up to.  :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 13, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
Well today was(is) Monday and I tried to start off on a better foot. Got up at 4:30, cooked breakfast at 7 and was out working before 8. Nice and cool. I uncovered the mill and drug up a questionable EWP log that I got from a neighbor and expected would wind up being campfire wood, it was old and grey and had shake. But I cut all that off and got 4 decent 2x8's out of it. I should have started by saying I am trying to clean up the log pile and work on logs I need specific wood from, but I have some stuff in the way that just needs to be milled and out of the way. This was one of those logs. I have an order for a pine bench to match a family made farm kitchen table of a friend's wife. They want it 16" wide and I might have a log (at the bottom of the pile of course) to make it in one slab, but I had another EWP log that I thought I could join 2 pieces for, so I milled that one next and got some nice 2x10x12's out of it.  I got a nice clean cant out of it.

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And except for the knots, the boards look good and clean. I asked the client and he sent me a photo of the table showing it was also knotty, so this will match just fine.

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More than enough to make 2 benches.  Then it was lunch time and the mail came. The new (used) wireless access point showed up to replace the one that blew last week. As the wife sues this for her netflix casting to the TV I thought I should spend a little time and get that working for her. Turns out that the WAP never blew up in the first place, the modem from the company had issues, so when I figured the work around and got it all going, I had an extra WAP and as the shop wireless is not working as well as I would like I put it out there and messed with it a bit. Probably wasted too much time on that but it was dang hot so I was in no hurry. Finally strated thinking about the logs again and got back to it.
 Now I was starting to 'loosen the log pile' by getting rid of a couple of logs, I thought if I did a little re-arranging I might get to the big log on the bottom. Roll one this way, and another the other way, working from one end of the pile, then back to the other, like playing chess and all I had was a cant hook and my amazing physique  ;D :D.  I rolled this one RO log that I got from a neighbor, it has been on the pile about a week, but when I rolled it, brown water started running out of what looked like, it's mouth. I got a lumber crayon and outlined the face I saw. The heat does funny things to a man sometimes.

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Anyway I kept working logs back and forth hoping for an opening. ABout that time, as I was on top of the pile trying to roll something that was about 3 times my weight, a customer pulled in to pick up his order of survey stakes (or 4' tomato stakes, they are very similar) and he commented that I was too old to be doing that and should buy a machine. Thanks, that is very helpful coming from a 30 year old kid. ;D Anyway, he got his stakes, I got my cash, and we did a little catching up. He left and I went back to work on the pile.

Push here, roll there and the next thing you know, I thought I had an opening. Got the mule, a length of chain and the log tongs and dragged that sucker right out. Soaked in sweat, I called it a day right then and there, just left the log where I can grab it in the morning.
 Tomorrow I will mill that log into planks and then either take a poplar or a basswood log and mill up some stuff for the luthiers and wood carvers. Mainly this week, I have to build another drying skid, but I am hoping for a rainy or way too hot day. I'll build it mostly in the shop, call someone to help me move it, then finish it out in the swamp. I need more drying space, and I need to start having racks for specific types of stuff to save me time in pulling and re-stacking. I have salvaged new lumber enough for another 16 footer. But tonight I think I am headed to bed early.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 14, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
Well made some progress today, but not a lot. I started on another larger EWP log that I pulled last night. Got 4 clean 2x10's and 2 4/4 boards I made into stickers. The neat part about this one is that it is denim pine (blue stain). Not a lot, but enough that it is either junk or valuable to someone. ;D

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So that will sit and dry as a possible use for that bench order I have. I will ask the client on their preferences, otherwise I have the stuff I milled yesterday. In any event, I'm done with pine for now. Then I had to run the wife up to pick up her van from the repair guy (frozen caliper). That killed an hour. Then lunch and grab some more logs. I need to get some Ash milled up for winter projects and I have a request from a luthier for an 8/4 slab quarter sawn. I had one skinny ash log left, so I pulled that and stuck it on the mill and as long as I was in log moving mode, I also snatched out a nice Basswood log from the pile to do those woodcarver blocks. That log was covered in Scoharie County Clay (tm) and had gravel embedded in it and there was no way I could put that on the mill. So I dropped it by the mill and set to peeling the bark with an ax. Holy cow that was no fun, but I started to see a pattern where it would peel. One thing led to another in my slow working mind and I got every felling wedge I could find and worked my way around the log driving, resetting, and moving the wedges whenever I popped thru the bark and using the ax in tough spots.


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It felt like it took forever, but it was probably less than an hour and I had the cleanest white log I have ever seen.  Slicker than greased glass. Only cost me my time and a quart of sweat. :D

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It was so naked looking that I am thinking I should have covered it with a sheet. ;D The filleting on the outsides of these logs is fascinating.  I could probably make a canoe out of the bark, if I knew how. :D After I finished it I was just shot, so I closed up and got on the mower and mowed the backyard, it needed it...again. Then the dinner bell rang.
 So tomorrow I have at least that Ash and the Basswood log to get milled and on the rack, then I have to start focusing on those drying racks some more to increase my capacity and trim up what I have already. If I am going to make a dent in that log pile this summer, I need a place to put it. For the next rack I have to start from scratch again, cutting trees out of the way and scrubbing the ground to make an area. I feel like this 'adventure' is leading me down a path and I have no idea what it might look like near the end. Every day is a new revelation in what I have to do next. I have such a basic plan that I have no idea exactly how I am getting there...yet. I spent a career being 'the project manager' and sweating every detail way ahead of any due date. This time I am just going with the flow and doing what seems right, at what seems like the right time. It's refreshing to wing it for a change and so far it is going pretty good. I am even enjoying the mis-steps I make (mostly).
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 15, 2020, 09:57:00 PM
Well another day. I milled up the ash log I had on the mill into mostly 8/4 stuff for the luthier folks with some 4/4 side boards for me. Then I put up the Basswood log I peeled last night and started on that, got 3 sides open making 4/4 jacket boards as I went (I have no idea what for yet) and took lunch when the 4th side came up. Lunch turned into nap (it was hot and humid) and when I woke up realized I had a Zoom meeting at 5:30 so I hustled back and milled that Basswood into 3 12/4 posts and 2 16/4 posts for the woodcarver folks with a few boards for whatever. I barely got it stacked and stickered in time to quit and make my meeting. I am still amazed by the structure of these Basswood logs under the bark.


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The fluting is amazing and I have no idea what causes it.
Here is the total days 'production'.

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I closed up quick and rushed in the house trying to dry off and peel my soaking shirt. I did a quick wash off in the sink tried to shave my sweaty face and got a dry shirt on just in time. My 'meeting' was with my best friend from high school who I had lost contact with and recently located again. He was my Best Man at my wedding and I was his at his second wedding. Seems a shame we lost touch, but that is over now, after 30 years. It was like we just missed a few months in some ways. Mike and I are very different guys, but we also understand each other, so our different lifestyles and priorities really don't matter. It was really good and what I thought would be a 1 hour max meeting turned into 2 and a half hours, but we will do it again soon I expect. Catching up on 30 years in 2 hours can be rough, learning of all the tragedies that we missed in each others lives and the day to do of raising children and trying to help them get going in the working world is a lot to stick inside 2 hours, but it was really good. I feel like I got my old buddy back. He is down in Florida now (a surprise for me), but that matters not except that I wish we could visit again like when he was only 1 state away. Guess we will have to do a road trip when things open up and relax.
 Anyway, a pretty good day. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on July 16, 2020, 08:35:46 AM
Glad to hear you caught up with an old friend seems to me that January or February(most useless month of the year) would be a great time for a short migration South.  8)

Taking it one day at a time, or  "Tomorrow is another day" is a great attitude, one I need to remember more often. The basswood is neat mine is stained from the tree being sickly. So it will be sawn into misc 2x lumber. Some time I'll get a good one.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 16, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
These basswood logs I got are beautiful specimens. I don't think the wood carvers mind 'too' much if it is stained. A lot of them paint their finished work. 
 I forgot to mention, or maybe it started happening after I made my last post, but I got no less than 3 separate inquiries last night for pricing on material. 2 from the FB page and one from the Woodcarver I hooked up with 2 weeks ago. SO I am spending part of my morning working up prices and looking through my rack to see if I can fill the requests with what I have.
 I don't know how I will make money selling 3x3x8" basswood blocks for $1.25, but we will see how it goes. Nothing ventured.....
 I like your idea about hitting FL in February. My buddy has 3 guest rooms. I should broach that subject with the wife. It never occurred to me, thanks.
 Today is another day and it is cool enough to wear jeans, so I am headed out to do the aforementioned inventory, then weed whacking and clearing an area for the next lumber rack. Very overcast, humid, and damp cool. Feels like rain, but nothing on the radar or in the forecast. The rain is due to arrive around midnight.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 16, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
OGH,

  That looks like about $2.50/bf on the basswood which seems decent on the surface if this is rough cut, air dried (drying?). Are you doing any planing or KD or other processing other than milling and cutting to length? How much labor is going into cutting them into short pieces? Why wouldn't the customers buy them in 8' lengths and cut them to length themselves? Can you bundle and sell them in groups? Maybe make a simple crate and sell an assortment/pack for $35/$40 or so? Good luck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 16, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
Yes exactly correct 2.50/BF. These carvers don't seem to have the machines and tools for cutting lumber and their usage is small. Most buy variety packs from Rockler, but they don't get to pick the sizes. Rockler gets about 30 bucks for a 20 pound box I think. Let's see how this develops. I have over 400 bucks worth of basswood drying right now. :D mine will just be air dried at best.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 16, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
    I've still got close to 1,000 bf of 4/4, 8/4, 12/4 and 16/4 basswood mostly 8' long that has been drying 18 months and looks real good. It was a big den tree that fell nearly 2 years ago above my main shooting house on the side of a steep slope. It knocked a small buckeye into my shooting house and I ended up replacing some boards and putting metal over the old shingle roof. I caught a cold spell in February and bucked the logs and snaked them out with my ATV and sawed them into assorted thicknesses and put a box fan between them for a couple months and they turned out well.

   Good luck with yours.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 16, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
Well, I went through 2 t-shirts and 3 hats today. The humidity was pretty high. ;D no logs sawed. no shop work. I decided to get started clearing an area for the next drying rack before I build it. I took out around a dozen small trees and did a lot of low branch pruning. I hauled a lot of brush into the pile and trimmed the small trees with a hand ax, piled the branches and saved the poles 'just in case'. Almost all white pine pecker poles with some hemlock in the mix. Then I raked and leaf blowed, then got the next layer of branches out, then leaf blowed again. Finally had a workable area. I have 30 years of leaf litter piled in here because it was fallow land for me, just swamp. Now I need the real estate, so I am reclaiming it. Took all day, except for a little trip across town to my folks old house where we had taken down 2 trees and I marked the logs I want to mill and the rest will be firewood. Lots of 'sticker logs', which I need anyway. I never seem to have stickers on hand. I haven't been there in a while and hadn't seen this tree in several years. Guess we should check this with a metal detector before we do any cutting on it.

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I remember when my Dad layed those rebar cuts in the crotch, they are actually 90° corner bends. I guess I lost track of time and forgot about them. ;D I don't think I can use them now.

Then I came back and hauled more brush and hand leveled off a big hump of dirt and rocks that was at the 'entry way' to the new area (I swear I am getting a little old for this digging with a mattock nonsense). I cleaned up a bigger area than I expected and now am planning for the next (after this new one) rack. This is the view from the mill. The hardwood rack I made 6 weeks ago is on the right and the pine skid is on the far left (I need to get that tarp in the air to get some airflow, I know, it's on the list).

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And here is a little closer up so you can see I have some working room for at least two racks. This was not walk-able area when I started this morning. Just a big tangle with lots of dead tangles on the ground.

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I am right on the property line here, so I have to be mindful, but this is dry ground I can drive on most of the time. The ground just off to the right of this photo is wet pretty mush year round, which is why I have been spreading brush in there as matting. Anyway, making progress on this front. tomorrow I will stare at it a little more to decide where the first rack will go, then get to work building it. This one will probably be wider than the first one. I am learning you never have enough space.
 I also got a call out of the blue on that Basswood. The guys I had been talking to kicked my name up to the guy who buys wood for this carving club. I guess they group by for everyone and share the cost savings with their members. Anyway, he seems like a nice guy and we had a good talk. He knows his wood and what he wants. He balked a little at my $2.50/BF price, saying that they were already buying KD wood for $3.00/BF. I explained that all the cutting into little blocks added a lot to my time and handling. He laughed and said "Why would you do that?" I told him that is what the other guys asked for. He said 'no, I want to buy in lumber lengths so we can cut it as required'. "OK" says I, "then lets talk turkey, we can cut it back to $2.25/BF" he said that was just fine. I think I undercut myself, but my thinking is he already has a supplier, he doesn't need me. I need cash, and I see this as a way to sell some wood soon. If he is coming to pick up a load and I can move it and make room, so much the better. Him buying in bulk for the club saves me all that hassle of cutting blocks and selling a couple to each customer. I still have two big logs to mill. Not sure how often I will be able to get hold of this stuff anyway. He now needs to get ahold of the club treasurer get an OK and spending some funds.
 One of my other inquiries that doesn't really know what he wants is coming by on Saturday morning to get a better idea of what I have or can make for him. Gotta explore every opportunity. Baby steps.

 If this had been any other year, I would have been camped in a hayfield right now since Monday for my favorite Bluegrass Festival of the year, Grey Fox. But it was canceled like so many others. The great folks at Grey Fox are putting on a live stream event all weekend. It started at 4pm today and is following the normal daily schedule they have always used, so I am trying to catch as much of that as possible. If you have and interest, go find Grey Fox Bluegrass festival on Facebook and open the live stream from one of their posts. They are mixing live video with archived footage. I know so many of these musicians that I am enjoying these very much, but I am missing being with my co-workers up there and mixing with the musicians backstage. That part has me a little depressed because Grey Fox is like my personal Christmas, it is the center of my year. I miss it quite a bit.
 On the other hand in the midst of all the entertainment venues being closed hard since March there has been a dearth of gigs to catch, when I usually catch between 1 and 3 live gigs every 2 weeks. I have been nowhere since February. Well today I got a private invitation to an actual gig! My friends who were supposed to have done an Australian tour in April, followed by a US tour in May and June are doing a live stream for their new CD release from a local music theater that has just been renovated and not allowed to open yet. The live audience is by invitation only, just friend really. The theater can handle about 500 folks and I doubt there will be 100 of us there, but this way the band will have audience feedback and hopefully make it better for the folks watching online. Another COVID experiment, I guess. It will be nice to get out in a fairly safe environment and be with good music friends. So, there is that. 
 And tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 16, 2020, 11:13:21 PM
I forgot to mention when I went out to mark logs on my way back I stopped to get staples (eggs, milk, and beer) at while I was catching up with a neighbor, this truck pulls in and my neighbor could see that I was so distracted I couldn't hold a conversation. I apologized and said "I HAVE to check this truck out". he followed me over.

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 The truck is now owned by a closer neighbor who "found it" about 30 miles away. The department listed is the next town over from us and I have spent many hours working fires and training with them I have a lot of friends in that department. I had to know 'the story' on this truck. Turns out it was bought by that department as new in 1961 for a utility and brush truck, then sold when it was 'getting old' to 'some guy'. He worked it up into a tournament truck: solid suspension, hot motor, tight brakes, etc. (Fire dept tournaments are a 'thing' in the northeast, look it up). SO my neighbor wanted a unique truck to nag around in and this is 'it'. Pretty dang neat. My other neighbor (a music producer) wanted a photo of me with the truck and he took this one. Kind of a surreal 4 minutes in my afternoon out of nowhere. I should have got a photo of what it had under the hood, holy cow. Note how close the running board is to the ground. Normal for tournament trucks (maybe even a little high), but not so good for rural street use.  ;D
 He jsut got it and is going to bring it over to the original department for some photos and to get a copy of the photo they have from the day the truck was delivered new. Pretty neat, don't you think? I nearly forgot to even mention it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on July 16, 2020, 11:33:27 PM
Great picture and a nice little story 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 17, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Only 1 shirt and 2 hats today, but I finished the day with no shirt, just too humid. A full 10 hour day though. I got my 3rd drying rack layed out and built. Pretty much done, but I do have a little more trimming on the tarp tomorrow and I may paint this one for the neighbors benefit.  
 This one I built a bit bigger and with a lot more support under it. I learned from the last one. ;D We were watching 2 of the grandsons today, so divide and conquer. One is a homebody so he hung with my wife mostly in the house, and the other is an outdoors guy, so he hung with me. He was a HUGE help, more than you might expect from any 5 year old, OK, more than I expected. HE has no fear of the noise of the air nailer or the circular saw noise. He knows to wear his safety glasses. He is used to it. He would hold up one end of the stringers while I nailed them, hold the end of a long board when I was cutting it off, and hand me stuff when I was up high and save me a LOT of jumping up and down. I would not have finished it today without his help. Pretty amazing. He did have one little distraction and that was the frogs in the drainage crick.

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He finally reached a point where they would not hide when he got in range and he thought it was cool to sit there and talk and try to reason with them. :D I circled the frog he was talking to in the above photo. There was another right next to it his head is covering.
 But we managed to get this up just after lunch, my helper and I.

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This is a shot from the same perspective as the previous days posts to give you an idea of what I picked for a location.

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 My helper and I made a run to town and got a proper sized tarp for a cover and I put that up while he played with the cute little girl next door (that NEVER stops talking ;D). Here's the final result:

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It is no carpenters work of art for sure, but should be functional. I know I don't have drying sheds like most guys, probably down the road I will, but I need to get logs milled and have a place to get them air drying as quick as I can. This one is 8 x 16' and I made it 24" off the ground hoping the snow would not get up to that level.  I put 11 blocks under it to support the load, plus two more bricks under those ridge board supports. I might put shed roofs on #2 and #3 next year. #1 will remain as the pine drying skid, just off the ground, but I do have to get the tarp on that one off the ground to get some airflow. Maybe tomorrow or in the next week. 2 days in a row on infrastructure is enough. Although I would maybe like to paint this new rack to make it subdued, the neighbor can see it right out their front door and I would like to be easy on their eyes. I have some dull red paint I might use up. Brown would be better. One of the nice points on this build is that I didn't mill or buy a stick of the materials. All job leftovers from my son's work. All I paid for was the nails. 8) oh, and the tarp. :D
 Gonna go listen to some good Bluegrass now. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Resonator on July 17, 2020, 09:43:45 PM
I like the pic of the old International fire truck cab (it's not rust, it's "Patina" ;D). 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 19, 2020, 07:25:06 PM
Well, yesterday it was SO hot and I was pooped from the previous days so I became a bum for a day. I just did little piddly things, got a cover up in the air over my pine drying skid and not much else I can think of. Too hot.
 Today, it was even hotter, but we had chores to get done. We had an arborist drop a twin trunk maple over at my folks house that was threatening the house only about 20' away. SO today we did the cleanup, or started it anyway. We don't have any lifting equipment, so we worked with what we had on hand. We rigged up a snatch block in the head of the trailer and winched the logs in pulling with a winch on another truck.

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And here is the truck end.

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We took advantage of the work and provided some winch operator training. He did a good job.

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While he was operating, I had a few seconds to shoot a short video, but that log got hung and I had to go roll it.
Loading the trailer - YouTube (https://youtu.be/_I84uM8JuaQ)

So now I have a little more wood here. We still have some to fetch over for firewood but we got most of the big stuff. I ran out of sweat again.

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Today it hit 95 and not only was my shirt (when I still had it on) wringing wet, my bandanna was dripping and I had to use another. My shorts looked like I wet myself all over ( I did not) and were just soaked through all around. By 1 pm I was done in.
 I came home and tuned in the last day of the Festival live stream. Most of that wood will either be firewood or stickers unless I find some neat spalting. I am tired of running out of stickers. I figure if I spend a day or so making stickers, maybe I can get ahead a little.

My son hauled the trailer over here an hour ago and we just dumped it. Tomorrow is another day and we have another heat advisory already up for it. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on July 19, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
You are definitely staying busy!  The helper is great!  He'll have some great memories of working with you years to come.  You may have had something on the cable to protect the operators from a cable break that was not in the picture, if not consider laying a jacket, blanket, something over it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on July 19, 2020, 11:11:31 PM
Tell that boy to be careful of those cute girls that talk your leg off. You get to liking it and all of a sudden you start getting grandchildren.  I swear it happens that fast. Stay cool, even though it's tough to do right now.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 20, 2020, 08:07:30 AM
Yeah, winch safety is part of the lesson, but these loads were no challenge for that cable by any stretch (see what I did there? ;D). We focused on the "Up/Down" commands from the spotter and working the switch, and never taking your eyes off the spotter.

 As for the girls, I hope he learns, but I always notice he seeks out the cute girls already. He and his brothers are sweet on the one who lives next door to us and also one they see at day care. Should I worry?  :D
 I forgot to mention that I had two guys come by Saturday with inquiries. One is a young fella I know from the folk music business who is starting a family, looking for a house, and wants to make some stuff. We were discussing a 'work for wood swap" wherein he would come help me and I could pay him in wood. This might work out for me, because having a tailgunner is a rare thing for me and I could really get through some logs with just a little bit of help. The other fella was the neighbor that was looking for a few batten boards a week or so ago. He picked out some basswood jacket boards about 11' long, about 1x4 with one wavy live edge. Really they were just above the junk level to me, but I saved them to use as trim after I edged them or some other simple use. If it had been oak or maple, they would have been stickers, and if pine they would be on the burn pile. I just charged him a couple of bucks for the neighborhood discount, figuring it was good PR and he was really pleased with that. So there has bee a little activity anyway.
Gonna be another hot one today.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 21, 2020, 09:51:14 AM
Easier day yesterday, sort of. By 10am I was again soaked through and through. I moved about 8 logs over to the mill and got them queued up. Mostly sticker logs. By 11 it was so hot that I quit for a while. We had that music gig to go to in the evening and I wanted to be fresh. Took a nap in the heat of the day and a cool shower in the afternoon. We have not been to see live music since February. It was a small private crowd for about 20 folks. The first event at this theater in well over a year. The place looks great, I got to meet the new owner. There is art all over, they did a super job in the renovation but kept the original designs and features focusing mostly on the infrastructure of the building and they doing very nice finish work that matched the original. There is a lot of history in these walls. The place was built by Albert Grossman, who was the manger for Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin, and several others. It is a complex of buildings, 3 restaurants, sound stage, performance theater, bar, recording studio, radio station, and some other stuff I am not aware of. Albert is buried on the grounds. There were a lot of gold albums recorded here in the '60-'90's as well as more current stuff. So it was good to see the place restored to its glory.
 The band needed a 'get out the kinks' gig because it has been 5 months since they have played together. They have not performed a lot of the new tunes together more than a couple of times so some refinement and tweaking is in order. I have often watched this band do a local kick off gig such as this, then spend a few months on tour and do a final gig here back at home and the difference is night and day for somebody who knows the music. About a year ago they live streamed most of their gigs on one tour leg and I watched them every night or every other night for a couple of weeks. It was interesting to see the conscious changes they would make in a song from night to night as they tweaked it. SO last night was the first of what I hope will be many gigs. It was a lot of fun even with all the virus precautions, temp checks, masks, spacing, etc. Tonight they are playing in an open air park concert over in CT (sold out already), lets see what they come up with next.
 Now I have to go get something done. Today is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 21, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
Well today I tried to tough it out through the heat. It didn't work, but I got in about 8 hours anyway. The slabs and filtches have been building up and I had a real mess, so I focused on that. I cut what I had and stacked the hardwood for shop heat. I doubled the size of the pile, looks to be about a face cord. So, not much.

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I got the saw horse area cleaned up and tomorrow I will have a little fire to burn bark and whatever I raked up. I want to get rid of all the trip hazards.

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The pine I had got stacked for campfire wood. I doubled that pile too.

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But man I really needed a shower. This coming in with soaking wet shorts is getting old fast. I lost 4 pounds in sweat over the last few days.
 The fella that came over Saturday called today and will be coming back Thursday to pick up some of the stuff he looked at. I will have to re-cut some 2x10's into 2x3's or some other such stuff, but he will be giving me a hand to do that. Looks like about a 100 buck order and I need every one of those I can get. :) (BTW Howard, just about everyone of the sales I have had has been through the FB contacts. I made a FB page for the business and put up a photo of whatever I am working on every other day or so, it keeps them coming back to look, then eventually I get the 'Hey, could you make..?' question and then things develop from there.)
 Tomorrow I have to take the bride down to Poughkeepsie to drop her sewing machine off for repair, it's an hour drive each way and I know it will kill a good part of the day, but she gets grumpy when one of her machines is not working, so off we go. :D Hopefully I can get something done when we get home. I think we may get a little rain, but I would at least like to get the mill area cleanup done and burn the junk up, it's in the way.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 21, 2020, 09:03:26 PM
OGH,

    I ain't saying no forever - just not ready to take the FB plunge yet. 

     What kind of sewing and machines does your wife do/use? Mine does a lot of quilting and has several big Berninna (Swiss made) machines and a great big quilting frame they mount on for the actual quilting part. She has embroidery programs that hook into her computer and she makes specialty designs for special projects. She makes a small theme quilt for Camp Care every summer and all the kids (Cancer patients/survivors and siblings) and staff sign it and they raffle it off at the Christmas party as the grand prize. Over recent years they have included Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, Superheros, Star Wars, Games, All Roads lead to Camp, etc and all have the Care Bear (Looks a lot like the one on the Shriner's commercials) in appropriate situations and attire.

   Watch that heat - fortunately for me the customer got here this afternoon just as the sun dropped behind the mountain putting me in the shade. Was still hot and I was wrung out when we finished.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 21, 2020, 09:28:58 PM
My wife is a quilter too. I have no idea what machines she uses, but nothing so fancy. She is in several groups, they do quilts for the church, the women's shelter, and several other places they need their work. She also makes dog beds for one of the animal shelters and stuff for cancer patients. Besides this she has her business making quilted pillows, table runners, place mats, wall hangings, and a ton of other stuff. SHe also used to practice the art of gyotaku (google it :)) but she found that folks didn't understand what she was doing and how much work it took, so they would not spend a higher price on what they saw as just a fabric print. She learned it from my cousin who had pieces in art books and major museums. So she does do much of that any more but she uses the same technique to make leaf prints and other things.
 We have more fabric around this place than lumber. ;D

 FB can wait. I'm not twisting your arm. Just sharing my short experience. I think both of us are pretty tired tonight.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: RAYAR on July 22, 2020, 01:38:06 PM
Tomorrow I have to take the bride down to Poughkeepsie to drop her sewing machine off for repair, it's an hour drive each way and I know it will kill a good part of the day, but she gets grumpy when one of her machines is not working, so off we go. :D
Too bad I'm not in your area. I've been doing machine service, tune up and repair as a hobby since back in the mid '70's, more so in the past 20 years or so. Gotta keep the family and friends happily sewing. Of course my name has gotten passed around since and occasionally get calls from others. I also do sergers, an even more complicated machine to understand the mechanics of. Gotta love the older machines, they were built to last forever.

Most of the time, they just need servicing and cleaning and sometimes an adjustment or two, almost never need parts.

Sounds like you have to make a return trip to pick it back up later. :(
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 22, 2020, 08:20:37 PM
Yeah, I might consider shipping to NB if you agree to keep it for a while. ;D It wasn't a bad trip, in and out at the repair place, and she will go pick it up. But then she wanted to stop at a consignment gift shop where she has a bunch of stuff to do inventory. She let me sit in the truck for over an hour and I was fried when she finally came out. I was none too happy. The shop is 20x20', how long could it possibly take? >:( >:(
 By the time we got home it was 1pm and I skipped lunch and just went to work. I sawed up a 4' maple log, probably 20" dia. for stickers I badly need, but before i did that I HAD to do something about the sun. SO I finally fetched my canopy out of the garage and put it over the mill head. Working in the direct sun is just a show stopper for me.

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That helped a lot, but not a total solution. At the same time I set up a little fire pit to burn some of the junk and bark that is collecting, just 3 wheel barrows full, but it is done.
Made a 13" sqaure cant and I got a pile of stickers, but could only do one log before I was out of sweat. 2 Bandanas, I shirt, 1 hat, and shorts soaked through today. Getting used to working wet.

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Finished off just watching the fire burn down and dug up some rocks I have been tripping over since we bought this place. Got one out, the other I will need a chain and the Mule to pop out. Both theses rocks just stuck i about the size of a softball, but when i dug them up, one is about 12" diameter and the other, so far, looks like about 20". If I can find dirt to fill up these holes, I will finally be able to mow over the area without hearing that gawd awful noise when I forget about them. :D

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 Around 5:30 a t-storm passed thru and dumped a bunch of rain which pretty much put my fire out.
 I just got a tip on some pine logs. It's funny but 3 months ago I would have had no interest, but now that I am finding that I can't keep it opn the rack. Either I build with it or somebody else does. I still have not been able to mill and dry any 4/4 boards for small projects with the boys or what ever. It is handy stuff to have around, but it is getting used, so I will check into these logs and find out if I can get them delivered.
 Tomorrow I have that pine customer coming over but some are saying it will be a rain out. We shall see, I guess if I can work sweat soaked, I can work rain soaked too. I am just happy for the work and wish I could do more, but this heat is a killer.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on July 22, 2020, 09:25:11 PM
Next time your wife shops for an hour you should go back to reply #123 and do some shopping too.  ;)
Rocks? I have rocks stories.
We bought back some of The Farm, 7 acres. That piece had a lot of rocks sticking up on it. I cut the trees on it and got it back to where the wife could mow, around the rocks and all. Finally I got some time to remove the rocks that was sticking up out of the ground. I think she mowed around them for at least 2 years, I mowed around them for that long too. Most of those rocks was just sitting on top of the ground. Most no bigger than a foot across!!  :o   :o  At least it did not take me long to remove them.  ;D
This is how most of the rocks treat me around here. The piece we bought is just beyond the stone wall.


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This picture below shows the new piece much better. That kinda white rock on the right side of the picture above is the rock in the middle of the picture below. Both pictures was taken the same day. You can see the edge of the woods by the stone wall. This was all trees, they was blocking the view of the my field across the road.



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This is a normal size for my place.  ;D


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Than there was a so called called stone wall, that was never built that ran along side of the road, that was covered in poison ivy. I kept that wall barren for 3 years, if it was green I sprayed it, I did not look to see if it was grass, a weed or poison ivy, I just sprayed it, than I hauled the rocks off up into the bog for a road.
A few years ago I removed a bunch move rocks off that piece and levered out an area so we could mow it with the tractor.

This is a link to that project.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=102708.0 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=102708.0)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 23, 2020, 06:34:09 AM
Yeah Cfarm, I have been reading and following your 'rock control' project for a couple of years now. No thank you. I have nothing like that here. I do have one or two massive stones that are completely under the surface but they heave in the winter making a huge bump in each driveway. The blacktop one pops up and cracks, the crushed stone driveway just heaves up about 5 inches for a 4 ' circle, but I have nearly lost my teeth hitting it with the plow more than once. I will not touch those because I know it will be a massive hole and extraction. I live with them. But some of these other smaller ones are very fixable and from time to time I take a couple on. As you will attest, it all adds up over time. Yesterday I saw that one and thought, "today is the day we get that one started on it's way out". This whole area was fallow when we bought this place and strewn with all manner of rotten wood, dead trees, old well pipe, scrap metal, etc. Over time as you can see in the photos it is 'mostly' graded, has grass I can mow, and is usable as the mill yard. I keep pushing out the edges and working my way into the swamp to regain usable ground. We only have a tad over and acre, so I am trying to get back this dead area. To go much further I will need heavier equipment than what I have and some 40' trailer loads of fill with a way to move it in. There is no cash for that just yet, but I keep my thoughts on it for an opportunity. One day at a time, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: trimguy on July 23, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
A dump trailer load at a time will start you in the right direction. Of course after it cools down some.😁
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 23, 2020, 07:16:16 PM
Yeah, that would be easy, but there is no way to get a truck or truck and trailer in there. The closest I could dump would be about 100' and then have to move it with some sort of loader. That's where the expense and time comes in.
 Anyway, it will have to sit for a while longer as I am not doing anything for at least a couple of days now. My back is in terrible shape (not so gory details over on the 'did something dumb today' thread). I can barely walk with a cane right now. So everything I had in the works is done for a while anyway.
 Oh well, it was almost bound to happen, and of course I get a guy calling me last night to see if I am interested in a bunch of big pine logs. Still playing text message tag with him trying to get a price and quantity. Now he tells me he has a log truck load, but still no idea on price.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on July 23, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
OGH,

   Seems to me you are forgetting the "... and out of trouble..." part of this thread. Sorry for your misfortunes and good luck on the logs and getting back running on all 12 cylinders. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 24, 2020, 05:19:48 AM
Man, I am a hurtin' unit right now. I slept mostly OK but there is no comfortable position to be found anywhere. Sitting in the desk chair doesn't seem to be good for me either as it takes a while to get the spasms to stop when I try to walk again. When it gets light I may try to walk up and down the driveway. I am just counting the hours now until my 1pm appointment. In hindsight I should have called him as soon as this happened and I might have gotten in yesterday, but that may have been his day off, not sure.
 I hate sitting around and now I can't sit, stand, walk, or lay down. It took me a while to find my better cane, so that shows me it's been a long time since I needed it. I'm not complaining it could be worse, but it's only 5am and I find myself thinking 'tomorrow will be a better day'.  :D ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
Well, not much is happening here at all. I am finally almost smart enough to know I have to lay low and let my body heal. It's not too hard because it has been so very hot, but the boredom, lack of progress, and lost time is killing me.
 I have run through what little was left on netflix that I found watchable and the pain is still bad enough that sitting in a chair is only tolerable for a short time, but improving. I can get around without the cane in the house now and only use it outside, just in case. If I have a spasm and go down it might make a good show for anybody passing by, but it will be rough on me. :D
 But on the whole, things are improving, the pain is reducing daily. My Tuesday visit should clear things up more and I will just work back into it gently. Normally, meaning before I met my chiro wizard, this type of injury would take me out for 2 weeks before I could really start working into it again. Now it's about 3-4 days. I am learning to be very happy with that. :)
 I still have yet to learn not to let local friends find out about stuff like this. I have been getting calls, texts, and other notes from folks checking on me. (Interesting that the customer that I was working with when it happened has not so much as checked in. I guess he got his material, and that's that. Now I am regretting compromising on the price to 'help him out'.) I did get a very sincere offer to help run errands or whatever I might need from a neighbor which I found to be very sweet. I know he meant it. And we have a dinner invite for barbecue we will accept from another neighbor.:) I can drive the Mule over and they have a ramp up to their deck, so it is easy on a 'poor ol' decrepit man' like me. (It's funny, but I am pretty sure that neighbor knows I could work him under the table in less than an hour even in my current condition.) We were overdue to get together with them but I have been so busy, there wasn't time.
 So I guess I will just find another movie, read a book, and try to slow down for a day or two more. In the meantime, I am doing just fine. I just have a tiny bit of trouble walking, standing, sitting, or laying down is all. :D ;D :laugh: It could always be worse, and it has at times.
 Tomorrow is another day, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on July 29, 2020, 11:24:07 PM
I hope the back is getting better but if I read anything more about you paying $$ for pine, we’re gonna have problems!😉

I can’t drop it off in a log truck but if you get it on the ground (I can help), I can drag it to a landing with the Kubota and as you know, we have acres of pine destined for clearing/thinning.  In the mean time, if you want to hobble over for a few beers and hours of bsing, you are always welcome.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 30, 2020, 05:15:45 AM
I hope the back is getting better but if I read anything more about you paying $$ for pine, we’re gonna have problems!😉

I can’t drop it off in a log truck but if you get it on the ground (I can help), I can drag it to a landing with the Kubota and as you know, we have acres of pine destined for clearing/thinning.  In the mean time, if you want to hobble over for a few beers and hours of bsing, you are always welcome.
Sounds appealing (the latter)! The back was coming along just fine until about bedtime last night it started to get a little worse and had me awake at 3:30 this morning. I got up at 4:30. Don't know what it is. I did load a small maple log on the mill last evening just for the exercise but it was only 23" x 6' and I took it real easy. I am trying to work out some of the theory I got from the Doc's seminar yesterday. Anyway, I don't think that's it, maybe something else. I had thought I was through this and on the mend, but I might need to go back another time for more work.
 As far as that pine goes: He contacted me, so I did make inquiries as to the price, after 3 days of texts I learned it was just under 4,000BF (doyle) for $850. I don't need near that much and don't want softwood laying around that long either. It would be a good deal if I were sawing dimensional stuff and stocking it, but I don't do either. I had to pass because I don't even have that kind of surplus cash. I was just keeping my ears open and my contacts talking. He has a better idea of what my situation is now and will likely have a better deal on some smaller loads of green hardwood down the road. It provided a good opportunity to have that conversation so he understands better what I am looking for.
 I look at it like it's a dance. If you don't start swinging your hips at some point and let your partner know which way you are going and what you can do, you will never get in that groove to really let it swing.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on July 30, 2020, 07:58:52 AM
I’m just kidding with you.  Sounds like a pretty good deal delivered. Probably about about 6-8 decent trees worth unless they’re getting into difficult to manhandle size.  

I’m still tooling around with soffits when I can handle the sun on my back and am getting read to place an order for insulation and drywall here pretty soon so I have more to do on the interior when the weather isn’t cooperating.  Sort of feel like I’m catching a second wind after a month or so of summer laziness.  Already August and we'll start needing heat in 60 days or so if you can believe it.

Hope your chiropractor works some more magic on that back and you feel better soon.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 30, 2020, 08:19:48 AM
Already August and we'll start needing heat in 60 days or so if you can believe it.
THAT is NOT a pleasant thought and I am sorry you mentioned it.  >:( ;D It's so hot now we can barely work, I wish there was a middle ground. I have to put that chimney in the shop and the last thing I want to do right now is think about working in the attic or on the shop roof.  I have yet to order the chimney parts, cheap guy that I am. I hate spending money. :D That project will probably kill a week or more between the chimney work, the attic work, and then digging out that stove, cleaning it up, repainting it and moving all the stuff around in the shop. I really have to get my butt in gear pretty quick here.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on July 30, 2020, 10:35:30 AM
I look at it like it's a dance. If you don't start swinging your hips at some point and let your partner know which way you are going and what you can do, you will never get in that groove to really let it swing.
It is all about music with you!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 30, 2020, 11:10:44 AM

It is all about music with you!   8) 8) 8)
No Music, No Life
Know Music, Know Life.
:) 8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on July 30, 2020, 12:43:03 PM
you should add philosophy to your list of services. ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on July 30, 2020, 02:22:53 PM
Take care of that back, so you feel like dancing to all that music. A little more philosophy a little less physical labor just for a few days won't put you that far behind.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 30, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
I have that on the tailgate of my Mule. Often thought it would make a great plaque someday.

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As far as philosophizing goes, I don't know how much I could do of that in a straight run, but I am thinking anything over 15 minutes might sprain my brain given that my brain does not get near the amount of exercise and use that my back does (and look what kind of shape that is in!). After I rest up a bit I will have to think about that some. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 30, 2020, 08:21:30 PM
Well, today I finally got my butt moving again. The back isn't perfect but I figured I would start using it again. I just put in 2 hard hours at the mill then had to drive the wife to pick up her sewing machine,pick up lunch on the way back, and do some writing for my FB page.
 I had put up a short 5' log about 20" diameter last night just to get a little exercise and see how I felt. Today the goal was to attack it but record all the steps and write up a 'notes' page for my FB business page. A lot of folks ask about how lumber is made. I figured if I documented it, that would provide a reference to send them to. It's also good PR and I discussed costs, how they are figured and how little is realized from a log when it is all added up. Kind of a customer education effort, I get a lot of questions.
The log I figured was a sticker log at best anyway.
 The neat thing was when I opened up this 'junk' 5' log I found it full of ambrosia.

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 It had a lot of defects but I could get some good boards and the rest was stickers. Some faces were better than others.


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Another neat part was I didn't really care where the pith wound up because most of it was stickers anyway. But I did drive a wedge in for a toe board to take some of the taper but I didn't measure, I just did an eyeball job to get it a little better. When I was plain cutting boards off the cant, I didn't do the math to split the pith either. But when I got down to it and took out the center board, here is what I had.

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I put that pith right smack in the middle of the board as if I planned it that way. Even better, the other end of this same board was the same way, so it was level all the way down. I amazed myself. It was an accident, of course.
 When all done I wound up with 5 fairly nice boards and about 65 stickers. Also the 4 slabs and I might keep one or two to see what they look like when the color fades and perhaps make a bench or two.

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 So not a bad day for a starter. But that FB page took way too long to write and the day was shot when I was done.
 I did get through the first session of Dr. Gene's drying seminar before I started work this morning. Pretty good stuff for sure.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Resonator on July 30, 2020, 09:39:59 PM
Quote
No Music, No Life
Know Music, Know Life.
Music is my medication that overcomes the debilitating effects of reality. 
I fill my prescription every time I pick up my guitar. ;D smiley_guitarist
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 01, 2020, 04:12:17 PM
Well yesterday I did another short log just to get it out of the way. This one was better quality with ambrosia throughout.

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I have been saving the clear boards (4/4) and stickering those, the rest gets milled into stickers because I always seem to be short on them. I get tired of it, so trying to build up that pile. I got 4 or 5 nice clear boards and another 90 or so stickers. I have one more of these short guys to do. Not sure how wewll the colors show up for y'all in these photos, but I am dying to plane them. :)

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Today we had the boys for a few hours while Dad was finishing a house painting job, so it fell to me to find something 'interesting to do'. I had the rock that I yanked about an hour before I wrecked my back 8 days ago, so I decided we could move that close to where it will spend eternity holding down a culvert pipe. I had a spotter for the job and used the skidding arch. It worked better than I hoped.

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It's tricky backing that thing up and over tree stumps, goes wherever it wants to, but I got it pretty close. After that 2 of the boys jumped in the mule with me and we went to skid a bunch of small trees a neighbor had cut to clear around his shop building. He don't want the wood, it's all small 3-6" x 12-16'. Fine firewood. So basically I was helping him clean around his shop and throwing it on the firewood pile. win-win. But after a few loads it was too hot, and it was lunch time for the boys. I am trying not to overdo it too soon. just half days for a few more until all the tweaks (not twerks Doc) are gone.
 That firewood log pile is getting messy and I am going to have to pick up the saw soon and the slabs have to be hacked up for firewood too. Gonna visit the neighbors for adult beverages and a fire after dinner tonight.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on August 01, 2020, 05:00:19 PM
Get a piece of square tubing and just drill and unbolt your hitch and extend out 🤔
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 01, 2020, 05:51:41 PM
Get a piece of square tubing and just drill and unbolt your hitch and extend out 🤔
Yeah, that's not a bad idea and I think about it EVERY time I try to back up with it on. :D But the truth is if I put a longer draw bar on it, then it becomes harder to handle by hand and it becomes tougher to maneuver in the woods. Right now it is real easy to unhook and place it right over the log, then back the mule up to it. I would have never backed that rock into where it had to go if the draw bar was 2' longer, I didn't have the turning space between trees.
 One of the 'things' on my longer list is to re-ignite my welding skills which were never very good. I have a stick machine that should get me by though. If I sell some stuff and can buy steel I will be building an arch to get stuff on my trailer first because that is a real need, plus a winch and mount for it on the trailer. Then I might build a complete log arch that will lift up an entire log so I don't have to drag it. Many of the guys here have done so and I am very envious of the work they do.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 03, 2020, 06:12:02 PM
Well it's Monday, so back to work :). Mondays used to be SO different, I would start dreading it on Sunday afternoon, now, not so much. ;D Never thought I would look forward to a Monday, that is for sure. Things can change, and they have. We are starting to feel the pinch of a reduced income, but it is too soon the really know if that is going to hold. The first few months things are not stable. Time will tell.
 Anyway, after reviewing all the weather data last night I decided it was prudent to do some minor storm prep for that 'thing' coming up the right coast. We are looking to get 3-5" of rain and maybe some heavy wind.The wind concerns me. But I wanted to get some wood milled so I did the last of those 4' logs and put some more ambrosia maple on the rack plus another 50 or more stickers. I have started taking a hint from Dr. Gene and marking what I see on logs to help me in making milling decisions (I find it very useful). I like marking the pith, because I lose track of it as the log gets milled. It's a good learning tool for me and easy to do. It makes you think. This log had some really deep purple, but it was in a pithy area, so will go to stickers.

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Then I grabbed another log (7' plus trim. I swear, I am going to buy a tape measure for EVERY arborist I know and teach him how to use it) and opened that up. More full ambrosia. This was a major leader off that tree and had some knots, but they are tight. So I milled it into 5/4 boards and got it on the rack.
I pulled the canopy down that was covering the mill. It might survive the heavy rain and wind, but why push it? It would cost me 90 bucks to replace and I ain't made of money, so I put it in the shed. I wanted to get the sawdust which was packed in the mill rails all cleaned up so I did that hoping the heavy rain will do the rest. The sawdust is building and I had been using a steel rake the spread it and cover the crushed stone, but it takes a while. So I had an idea and went and fetched one of the roof rakes and put that into service. WOW! that worked great! (for our deprived friends to the south, a roof rake is used to get heavy snow loads off our roofs in the winter time before the weight collapses the house (only in the winter, snows loads in the summer are much lighter).) Figured I might as well get 4 season use out of it, I have 4 of 'em. ;D

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 I am trying to 'grade' the loading area with sawdust to cover the crushed stone which gets picked up on some bark when I roll the logs up. The dust is forgiving and lets me align logs before I roll them on the bed and I would rather re-cut sawdust than sand or stone.
 Lastly for the 'official' workday, I tarped the mill as always but added a rope to keep the cover in place just in case it gets hairy.

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 Then it was suddenly beer-thirty before I knew it. Man, Mondays go by fast now! ;D I am searching around for water collection devices so that I can fill all my gallon jugs for blade lube and be set for a week or two. I have a plan to make something self sustaining down the road, but for now, just doing ti the manual way. Filling with the garden hose is slow and a bit of a walk. I want to put in a 275 gallon tank at the back corner of the shop, fill by the roof gutters and able to water the garden and supply the mill. On the list for next year, first we need to get the gutters up there.
 I guess I have shop work tomorrow, some storage stuff to work on, saws to sharpen, etc. and I have not been upstairs on projects in a couple of weeks now. I guess I can stay busy. :D
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 03, 2020, 07:42:42 PM
OGH,

   Depending on the species when you see pith that much off-center you might also automatically start to think "Quartersaw candidate". 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on August 03, 2020, 07:46:48 PM
Then I grabbed another log (7' plus trim. I swear, I am going to buy a tape measure for EVERY arborist I know and teach him how to use it)
It is a losing proposition.  I don't think that the ones down here are capable of doing that.  You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 03, 2020, 08:10:51 PM
It is a losing proposition.  I don't think that the ones down here are capable of doing that.  You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. 
I believe you are correct, not sure they could read it anyway. :)
Howard, good point. I should look at that as I go on. Still trying to develop 'sawyers eyes', it takes time. That log I had the shot of was only 4' and not worth the effort. The next one I did was really off center but too small to get any boards of decent width. Keep in mind, these are logs that were going to be firewood until I found the ambrosia through them. Figured I would mill and air dry in hopes of finding the right client. Just clearing out the logs, y'know? I took these as junk for firewood, then I thought 'hey, some of these logs are mighty sound and might have a few boards'. So I whacked up one and found the ambrosia and the next thing you know I am milling them all for the color. Not gonna see that on my mill again anytime soon, so might as well. ;D  still have a couple of logs from this bunch, but only have 1 4° blade left. Gotta put in the order, but parting with that much cash it hard. ;D I have a bunch of 10°, but I just don't want to go back to them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 07, 2020, 08:01:22 AM
Well, it's been a few days since I updated. The storm came through on Tuesday and as storms go, it wasn't a big deal. But around 2pm on Tuesday the power went out and we were without for a bit over 30 hours. I rode the line on Wednesday and found the pole with the tripped breakers about 2 miles away. Easy fix, likely tripped by a short somewhere else. But with all the real damage in other areas it took a while for them to get to our area, a few hundred thousand people were out, that's a lot of work to repair. SO when it wasn't back by Wednesday morning I got the generator out just to run the freezer and fridge and get them back down to temp. Used the camp stove to make coffee, the usual stuff. Life in the country, no big deal. I still wonder about all these folks that are screaming mad and want to know exactly when the power will be back, as if it is a human right and somebody needs to fix it for them, NOW. :D Spoiled children. I did miss Dr. Gene's live webinar on milling and was bummed about that. I will have to watch the replay, maybe today if it keeps raining. I am also trying to do the pre-reading for the Kiln Workshop next week. That should also be a very good one. Beginning to work on a site plan and prep for a small solar kiln. Mostly at this point trying to wrap my brain around the task and figuring out how to make some usable space in my swampy area. That is a project in itself that may cost more then the kiln, trucking in fill and grading it. Then I need a solid path to it. Sure wish I could do that before winter so it can settle through the frost season. I also need to get some power out to it and I want that line to be buried, not overhead.

 Anyway, yesterday I got to cutting up slabs from the mill and stacking it on the wood pile. Then I started in on the big pile of small stuff, mostly cut and throw in the trailer as is for stacking, and I bucked up the rest of the stuff that needs splitting. I have one trailer load 3/4 full and planned on splitting today, but it's raining now and the wife and I have a chiro appointment this morning. We'll see what the afternoon brings. I need about 2 trailer loads to finish the house wood, then time to focus on the shop wood, and getting that chimney started.

I got taken to task on another thread on Tuesday for what I do with my sawdust. I felt pretty stupid in the eyes of my peers. I just wanted to point out that I am a small guy and try to do the best with what I have. What works for one, does not work for all. Just as some say 'You must have something with forks to move timbers', I can tell you I move everything by hand. Yes, it's hard, and risky, and slow, but it is all I have for now, so that's how I do it, and as yet, I have not died in the attempt. I don't enjoy using sawdust to cover up all the sharp stone that surrounds my mill, but it's what I have short of buying fill and then I have mud anyway and dirt in my logs just as they go on the mill. Yeah, there is always a better way. When I can afford that, I will do it, but not just yet. Putting money into tools, a small kiln, and other infrastructure is a priority for me. Once I have something better available, the sawdust will get piled for compost or buried under the fill in the swamp. That's just me.

 So today is another day and it is time to get at it and squeeze out what I can from it. I need to drain the gas out of the generator and get that put away for the next event, then move some wood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 07, 2020, 08:44:02 AM
OGH,

   Sorry about the power loss. Its a pain but part of life. I put in a backup genset several years back. We had a Derecho 8 years ago and it ran for 11 days. Then again we have natural gas here so that made things easier.

    As to the sawdust if you have plenty of gravel/rock under it I predict you will not have any major issues with it. I dump a wheelbarrow or two full around my game cleaning station where I clean fish and deer and such where it used to get wet and muddy and it works fine for my purposes.

    I can sure sympathize with the manual labor around the mill because I have to do a lot of the same and know the feeling and frustrations but you work with what you have and add labor saving devices as time and money permit. Its amazing what you can do with an ATV winch and such sometimes.

   Stay safe and keep on posting. I'm off to my chiro visit in a few minutes for my hand and hope and expect he will release me today. I'll know in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 07, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
 I'm off to my chiro visit in a few minutes for my hand and hope and expect he will release me today. I'll know in a couple of hours.
Yeah, you work with what you've got. I have always found that easier than trying to work with what I don't have. :D
 Glad to hear that hand is coming along, wonder how it's feeling? I hope things go well and he is 'done with you'. ;D
 Our visit is a regular monthly tune up, but for me it's follow up on the last injury which is nearly all gone. Just need to get one muscle moved over to make it right. I cut wood for a few hours yesterday with no bad results.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on August 07, 2020, 11:44:29 AM
I think(know) you are getting more done with your mill with less support equipment than I have, and I admire that. Granted you did change careers lately ;). Glad the storm didn't do much to your set up.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on August 07, 2020, 02:33:05 PM
I like your attitude Greenhorn. There is nothing wrong with working with what you got. The guy that has 200k in equipment is no better than you. Keep your head high and be proud of what you have and strive for more if you choose 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 07, 2020, 06:04:50 PM
Well I ran out of sweat around 5 today. After the chiro visit it was raining lightly so I drained and stored the generator and it cleared up, so I split some more wood to fill the trailer, moeved and stacked it under the porch, then split another load and stacked that too., I figure about 2/3's of a cord today. The pile is nearly done. I need one, maybe 2 loads to pack it up tight. Then I will measure to see what I have, usually about 5 cord. 
Looks pretty good from this angle, but...
 
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When you look inside, you see I still have a hole to fill. I don't know if I can fit 2 loads, but I will give it a good try, just about out of wood now.
 
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 I have some green RO, but I will put that on the bottom of the shop pile so it gets used at the end of the season. The shop pile is the next task. I have never needed wood for the shop because I still don't have a stove in there (yet), but that will change in the next 2-3 months and I am guessing I will need another 5 cord for that. Fortunately NYBHH has all the firewood he needs but he has a lot of dead ash to clear out, so I am going to help him with that. ;D In another week or so it should be maintaining a little cooler and if it fits his schedule, we will have at it and I can just do shuttle runs with logs. That will be a huge help until I have a season under my belt and can figure what I really need to make it work. Before any of that starts, I need to prep and area for stacking that wood, which means removing a LOT of JUNK from the side of the shop, raking it out, discarding the crap and re-stacking the good junk to take less room. I am figuring 2 days for that project and hopefully I can get my son to make a scrap run as most of the junk in there is his. ;D
 Anyway, I am pooped. I am going to start reading through the Kiln drying stuff and begin my dreaming on how I am going to make a small solar kiln so that when the class begins next week I have a better idea of my goals. It's nice that the 90° days seem to be done and I can work in pants again. Still went through 2 shirts and 2 hats today. :D
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 08, 2020, 03:11:59 PM
Headed to a party down the road shortly so I will do the daily missive now. I had forgotten what day of the week it was  ;D and didn't realize the party was today, so I got up at 5 and out before 7. By 9:30 I was running out of sweat already. I pulled everything away from the outer shop wall for the length of the new woodpile and sort of sorted it into piles (scrap, store outside, move somewhere else, etc.) but it remains scattered and has to be dealt with. I can't remember when I last had a good look at this wall but it is at least 25 years.

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Then I laid down some pipes I salvaged from work about a year ago. This will keep it off the ground. Later I will add end posts when I figure it out. Gotta get some wood on it first. If I fill this 4' wide and 6' high for the length of the pipes it will be just about 4 cord.

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Here is my test stack.

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Then I was pooped out, but I heard my neighbor working up at his garage (new roof) so I took the Mule and arch up to say 'hi' and grabbed 2 hitches of the small tree he had taken down and wanted rid of. Black birch, some Beech and other stuff. Still probably have 2 or 3 more hitches up there but I have to drag them out from behind the building by hand and it was wearing me out. He dug out for his shop, but never graded around the building, so it like working in a pit on the back side. All small stuff, but wood is wood and I'll take this stuff all day long.

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 After that it was lunch time. I did some household chores to keep the wife sort of happy, ate lunch, took a shower and a nap. Only a half day, but I feel like I got a days works done, now I have a place to stack the shop wood and that was holding me back a little. I can move on. 
 Tomorrow is another day, but first, we party. 8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 09, 2020, 08:05:39 PM
Overslept a bit this morning and woke up groggy, don't know why. ;D  We did have a good time at the party last night, catching with folks we don't see very often, especially now. I took a walk around the yard to reinforce my feeling of shop and toy envy as I do each time I am there. He is adding another extension on his shop so he has a place to work on the big excavator and other stuff. This is fill in work when he has time so it's been in progress for 2 years now. There will be a second floor/attic above the deck you see in the photo below.

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For scale, that is his log truck parked inside with the knuckle boom on it. I think this is his 3rd shop extension, so far. I also ran into this again, he got it last year. I love this thing, it would be the perfect machine for my needs. He has forks, a bucket, and a log grapple among other things. All wheel steering too.

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Hey, have you guys ever seen a chicken coupe de ville?

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At the end of the evening we had a small friendship fire. ;D

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So today I finally got at it around 10 and starting cutting and splitting. Lots of small stuff and some of the green RO was giving me fits with all the knots. It was hot and I seemed to have pinched the tip on my 20" bar so the sprocket won't turn freely. Not sure what that deal is, but I put the 18 on so I could resume work. When I got back at it, I put my helmet on, started the saw, then pulled the visor down and this little guy was staring me right in the face from the other side of my shield.

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Not sure what he is, but he was in a hurry to get away from me. Anyway, I cut all the green wood I had and couldn't get another stick on the trailer. It took too long and a lot of sweat, I split some big RO rounds and had to put the splitter vertical which is always slower.

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 So I have started the shop wood pile. I have some cars ramps kicking around, and they work well as ends for the stack. The weight of the wood holds them upright. 

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Measures out to just over 1/3 cord. It's not a big start, but it is a start. I just need 14 more trailer loads to finish what I think I need. Pretty pooped tonight, but I am going to do the second module in the VT Kiln Class. I gotta stay ahead, and tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on August 09, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
Not sure what he is, but he was in a hurry to get away from me.
As kids, we called them Katydids (sp)

I have some cars ramps kicking around, and they work well as ends for the stack.
NICE!  How about using some lag screws through a few holes into some 2x4s or 2x6s to extend higher?  I think you might have a few laying around. ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 09, 2020, 10:24:21 PM
Well I could probably get away with that to a point, eventually it will fail. I had in mind to do something more permanent with some 8' long 2" galvanized posts I also salvaged. But at this point I just wanted to get started and keep moving wood through the process. Just with those I think I can get 3 cords on that stack, it is 22' long. Too much to do right now with the chimney collecting wood, bucking splitting stacking. Getting the wood stove refurbished and installed, then of course I need to get a bunch of milling done too. Gotta pick my battles and leave some on the table for next year when I have gone through one cycle of this. I truly do wish I could do it all now, but I just can't. I have never processed this much wood in a season before and it is a lot of work for me alone with the gear I have.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on August 10, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
Slow and steady, it will happen.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 10, 2020, 02:44:16 PM
I have reached the point in the summer where the temp doesn't matter too much because I keep looking around at what I've got done and what I still need to do. Then I just push on. Unless I get wobbly, I just try to keep pushing and drink water. I am working 3 sweat rags at a time now, letting two dry while I soak the third. Funny thing is it seems like just yesterday (OK maybe 15 years ago) I would lose 5-10 pounds every summer and then grow it back over the winter and repeat the cycle every year. If I gained 20 in the winter, I would lose that the next summer. This year I am working harder than I can remember in the last 20 years and I have not lost a single pound. All I know is I sweat buckets nearly every day. Maybe Doc can 'splain why that is? I know my physical condition is good (except for those back tweaks now and then), I can feel the muscles in my hands firming up quite a bit and the arms and legs seem to be doing the same on a smaller scale, the back even feels pretty strong when it's not messed up. I don't get it.
 OK, enough complaining, back to work. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 10, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
carbohydrate simple or complex (sugar or starch)  is for energy and in the blood as glucose.  it is 4 calories per gram.  protein is also 4 calories per gram, and is stored as muscle and cell parts, and there is turn over, and we only need about 3 ounces or 90 grams a day.  most proteins change opaque when cooked (denatured) steak and eggs.  fat is 9 calories per gram and is less dense than other tissues.  this is why it is the energy storage form.  It is less dense than water and helps you float. so if you are building muscle and loosing fat, you could be more healthy and actually maintain or gain weight if you are getting trimmed.  the day to day weight change is water balance.  you should look at toilet water color when you go in the am, and not let it get too dark.  if there is lots of foam on the water then you are loosing protein in your urine, and have prob injured your kidneys.  drink more water so the kidney can work less at trying to clear the waste while holding onto your water so you are not dehydrated.  it is like cleaning a paintbrush in mineral spirits that have already been used 5 times.  If you drink beer, the alcohol can interfere with your antidiuretic hormone, and cause a dilute (light colored) urine.  do not be fooled.  drink a bottle of water for each beer, and a big glass before bed.  from the pics i have seen it looks like you do not need to loose weight.  what kind of beer do you drink?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 10, 2020, 03:22:43 PM
 from the pics i have seen it looks like you do not need to loose weight.  what kind of beer do you drink?
I was just about to get back on here and edit my previous post to warn you against making comments about me getting old. Glad you didn't but I know there are some changes afoot anyway. You took the high road. :)
 You lost me in the beginning there, but then it all came together and I understood it. It makes sense too. I drink cheap Busch beer (no comments from the peanut gallery please) because it is cheap and although I don't buy the 'light' version, it is very light as is, mostly water I think. And did I mention it is cheap? Now I love a good local IPA or Belgian wheat, but those I savor and only have on special occasions, so rarely.
 SO you stayed away from the 'age thing' but you got into the 'beer thing'. Now I don't know which is worse. I drink lots of water and follow the Philmont rules on that score, I know all the signs, because I have had 'em all at some point in the past and once was enough. ;D 
 No, I don't need to lose weight and I don't worry about it at all, but I did notice the change and wondered why. Thanks for learning me up some more.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 10, 2020, 04:01:13 PM
   Yeah, Doc, don't make any comments about old people to us old people. We get mad then can't remember why we got mad and that makes it worse. :D

   On several job sides we had urine color charts posted over the urinals explaining the difference in colors from severely dehydrated to mildly dehydrated. All reminded us to drink more water. The worst problem area I worked was in Mongolia down in the Gobi Desert area on a gold and copper mine project because most of us were living in Gers (Yurts) and the bathroom was in a separate building sometimes 100 yards away. When the wind was blowing 30 mph and the temperature was below zero outside it was not fun to get up, get dressed and walk that far to go pee (Sounds like the makings of a Jeff Foxworthy tale here doesn't it?) and our guys were very reluctant to drink anything after about sunset. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 10, 2020, 06:41:50 PM
your beer is a light beer compared to some.  if I was going to make fun of your beer, I might as well say mean things about your wife... :o :o :o  not going there.  Old age however, is defined as anyone older than me! :D :D :D.  I have family and friends to visit and you would be in the middle.  I will buy you a retirement beer if I get up your way.  my elderly neighbor Helen would call and say she needed help getting something out of her car.  it would be a 30 pack of natural light.  of course she would say "now you have to stay and have a beer with me".  I started taking my own beer when she would call.   :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 10, 2020, 08:50:00 PM
Careful Doc, someday you will catch up to me and Howard and you will be the old guy. ;D
Man it was hot today, they had some kind of heat index warning up, runs until 8pm tomorrow.

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I gave up on the shirt by 9:30 this morning.
Still I got in about 10 or 11 hours. hauled some logs and sticks for firewood, bucked, split and loaded the trailer overfull. Pulled it round and started stacking after dinner. Got most of it done, think I am calling this the last load but I was shot and will finish the little bit I have in the morning.
 I don't feel like I got much done, but I worked hard for it.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on August 10, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
My shirts use to look like that too.
Note the use too word.  ;) I can still remember trying to take them off.  ::)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 10, 2020, 09:33:20 PM
My shirts use to look like that too.
Note the use too word.  ;) I can still remember trying to take them off.  ::)
The only way is to peel them off inside out. Well, you could cut it off, but...
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 10, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
 The worst problem area I worked was in Mongolia down in the Gobi Desert area on a gold and copper mine project because most of us were living in Gers (Yurts) and the bathroom was in a separate building sometimes 100 yards away. When the wind was blowing 30 mph and the temperature was below zero outside it was not fun to get up, get dressed and walk that far to go pee (Sounds like the makings of a Jeff Foxworthy tale here doesn't it?) and our guys were very reluctant to drink anything after about sunset.
The first time I suffered from hypothermia bad it was caused by dehydration. We were tent camping and it was 15 below. I didn't think to drink water, in those temps you really have to make that effort, and keeping water thawed enough to drink is a challenge anyway. Well, I got it bad, lost my balance, needed help walking, couldn't put my own pants on, motor control was shot. Scary stuff. If I didn't have a crew I could count on to take care of me I would have been in bad shape. SO yeah, I get the 'long walk thing' which is why I usually kept a jug in the tent (clearly marked) for such purposes. It doubles as a good foot warmer too, for a while. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 10, 2020, 10:33:26 PM
make sure you do not use a gator-aid container with kids around.   bon_fire pepsi_smiley smiley_beertoast
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 11, 2020, 05:59:39 AM
make sure you do not use a gator-aid container with kids around.   bon_fire pepsi_smiley smiley_beertoast
I think my days of tent camping are now pretty much limited to festivals in the summertime now. I have done enough winter camping to be over it. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 11, 2020, 08:30:54 AM
Doc,

   That was a health problem too and we'd find stacks of refilled water bottles tossed over the walls and around the area.

    Constipation was a definite medical consideration in those conditions too.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 11, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
UGH!
>:(
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 11, 2020, 08:45:54 PM
Well I think the heat caught up with me today and I had a bunch of fixing a stupid choice to do anyway (see the : Did something dumb today thread for details) so that took some time after I finished stacking the wood I processed yesterday. While I was drying out gear I had a junk fir going (again) to burn up all the bark and scraps for bucking and splitting, seems like I never catch up, but every time I stepped out into the sun it just took the life out of me, it was too hot to do any worthwhile work. SO I tended the fire and dried my gear and washed out the box on the Mule and did a bunch of other meaningless little things. I think I burned about 5 wheel barrow loads of junk and broke one wheel barrow in the process (it had a rotten handle, it was due).
I repacked everything in the Mule and it is a lot neater now, but that was the only thing of note I got done all day besides mowing the lawn after dinner (that was overdue).

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The whole drying thing would have been a lot easier if I had just throw a tarp over it, dumb. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 13, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Another hot one yesterday with a heat index warning. I am getting tired of those. It was very hard to stick with it even drinking lots of water. 3 bandannas, 1 shirt and 3 hats all soaked through. I just take the shirt off when it soaks through and don't care if the neighbors or passers by have to see me half nekked anymore. ;D I didn't get a lot done but got in probably a total of 7 hours work. I cut up the last of the slabs and stacked those, cut some more of those little green trees from the neighbor, visited with another new neighbor who just sold the house they've been in for just over a year. I will miss them, nice young folks that work hard. I don't think the new buyer will be as much fun, single woman, but who knows? City gal, probably a lawyer or banker, or minor celebrity, or artist type. Time will tell.
 I wasted almost an hour trying to get into a live webinar on the Asian Longhorn Beetle (coming soon to a tree near you) and it seems the site was down. No word from the organizer on what happened or if a recorded version is available. I also finished the last 2 modules in the VT drying workshop class thing. The final one is tomorrow. I did a little more research on building my own solar kiln and trying to figure out if it is worth it for me. The build cost right now is no small thing for me.
 By 8:30 last night my head kept falling over, I could not stay awake and went to bed. This morning I finally bit the bullet and ordered a full box of 4° blades from WM. I wince every time I have to lay out cash until I have some money coming in, but without blades I can't make any product and I need to start filling those drying racks. Once I can sell some stuff, it will be easier to spend money if I have it.
 Time to get back at it. I think I will mill some logs today until I run out of sweat, then go back to firewood.
Today is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 13, 2020, 09:18:22 AM
sounds like you have put up quite a bit of firewood, at a savings of 250 bucks a cord.  not in your pocket, but will save you this winter.  I thought the VT seminar was good, and also finished the 4 webinars on the NHLA by gene also. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 13, 2020, 09:43:17 AM
Well, I have just over about 5 cords now. The house pile is nearly done, it just needs about a 1/2 cord or less to pack it full, but I want that to be good dry stuff, because it is the first out. For the shop I had done 1/2 cord of slabs stacked on the side of the shed, and now started on the big shop pile, but have less than 1/2 cord there. Soon it will cool off a bit and I will be going to NYBHH's place to help him clear out some of the dead standing ash he wants gone. He doesn't need firewood right now, so I can trailer that home. I expect that will process faster because it will be 'right sized' for fire wood. My goal is 10 cord, which won't quite be enough I think, but will get me pretty close and should give me an idea of what I really need for the following seasons. I dare not shoot for 12, but maybe I can revisit that in 3 months when the first ten cord is stacked. The quantity now is getting kind of large for a hand operation and is taking a lot of time. I may have to figure a more efficient way to get this done in future years. Someday I might get old, and then it could be hard for me to do the work. ;D For now, I am cash poor, so I am putting the time in that it requires so I can work through the winter in the shop.
 If the business ever does get going well enough, I can see getting a better splitter than the single wedge 22 ton I have now, and a bigger woodstove for the shop to generate a more workable heat range. But for now I just keep my head down and work with what I am blessed to have on hand.
 BTW, I am beginning to wonder if, as you say, I might be generating more muscle from fat. I didn't think old guys could do that, but it occurs to me that except for my back I have no aches and pains for all the work I am doing, which is not really normal for a hard working summer for me. I usually hurt most of the time and my legs get tired. I suppose it is possible and wouldn't be a bad thing. Guess I have been leading a flabby life for too long.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 13, 2020, 11:03:53 PM
Well, not as much got done as I wanted today, but I kept at it. I put a couple of maple logs through the mill, all 5/4 mostly clear and very white with ambrosia. I cut a little bit of firewood to get it out of the way so I could grab the logs, will work on that more tomorrow. I am getting better at making clean stacks on the drying rack. Actually, I am getting better at making clean and even sized lumber. My eyes and skills are improving in spite of myself. It does mean un-stacking and re-stacking to make it neat, even, and clean as I add more. Trying to make the best use of the racks. It's a huge difference over my stacks of just a year ago. It was real hot again, but we had some clouds that allowed me to work through it. There was no heat index warning today at least.
 Tomorrow I will do some more firewood if I can, but I have an RO log and my first poplar I want to get milled up, plus the last live session in the VT kiln class I have to make. Looks like a busy day.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 13, 2020, 11:31:48 PM
OGH,

   Glad to see this post. Good to see you trekking along. Supposed to be 80% chance of thunderstorms tomorrow so in between downpours I hope to go cut up some tops I dragged in front of my woodshed. I also have about a 13" dead ash there right beside the woodshed I'll take down cut up and stack. I may save the butt log for some 9/4" square bench legs for future use.

   I know what you mean about about the costs but biting the bullet to make more stock is the only way to make those future sales. I sold 2- Black Walnut slabs 2 days ago with a couple of 9/4 X 4' pieces for legs. A nice (for me) $200 sale but I noticed the cut date on the slabs was 3/19 so it took me nearly 1.5 years after cutting the wood before I got any cash and really I don't know how long before I had harvested/collected the log and how long it sat before sawing.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 14, 2020, 06:54:50 AM
Well it is clear to me that if I don't get anything in the front of the pipeline nothing can come out the other end either as sold material or finished products. What always gives me pause is "what size?". Whatever I seem to have is not what folks are looking for. Whether it's the species, the width, thickness, or length it seems to be off.
 So I am just now beginning to settle on a little bit of a standard. I don't plain saw for max width anymore unless there is a specific reason or project. I mill cants for everything else then just make that into boards and assume straight lining, ripping or planing after air drying when it is known what they are for. Soon I think I will be looking at log lengths and bucking them a little closer to a standard set of lengths, this too will help with the stacking. Also milling to cants leaves me 3-4 nice slabs that go directly into the saw buck and every day or two I cut and split as required to firewood length and it goes on the pile. Thickness is still a wide open question and all I can do is take my best guess.  I want to go into winter with pretty full racks which should all be (air) dry by spring. I figure I will spend some time maintaining the high tarp covers to maximize air flow and keep the snow off.
 So for now, it is easy to get distracted by all the stuff I need to get done. Some of it is critical work, but not right now because it is just too dang hot to complete some stuff in one shot such as the new shop chimney (I ain't spending a day in the attic and on the roof in this weather). If you think ladders are a threat to us 'mature folks', imagine how I feel about working near the eve on a second story roof in the beating sun? It can wait a few weeks.
 Now is the time to make lumber, I think. Good luck with that debarker, wish I had those problems some times. I started using an ice chopper as a spur bar and that is working fairly well on some logs. Hope those new blades come soon. My last 4° is in the mill now and then I am back to the 10° until the new box arrives. Last time they were nearly 2-3 weeks, I think.
 One day at a time, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 14, 2020, 09:46:44 AM
   Ah the eternal question - what thickness to cut this log? Edged or Live Edge? That is why I try to leave them as logs as long as a can but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and saw something. If you saw 2-3/8" or such you can still resaw into 4/4 if you have to. Also if live edge you can always edge them later if necessary. I've sawed 2"X12-1/4" framing so I could use as is, rip to 2X6 or 2X4, etc.

   Deciding how to saw it is kind of like trying to figure what you wife really meant. Just saw it and take you lumps later when you find you were wrong. :D

   When sawing 4/4 I save down to 1X4s. They may build up for a while but eventually a customer will come in wanting all the 1X4s I have for strips under a metal shed roof and often as not I'll still have to resaw some wider stuff or sell it to him to rip later.

   My real concern is when a customer asks me what thickness and such to cut their logs, which they do all the time. I tell them I'd saw them into whatever I needed. Then I describe whatever options I can see and let them pick. The last thing I want to do is make that kind of call not knowing their skill level and experience.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 14, 2020, 08:48:36 PM
  Deciding how to saw it is kind of like trying to figure what you wife really meant. Just saw it and take you lumps later when you find you were wrong. :D
Truer words were never spoken. ;D
Today I got 2 more logs done and one was my first poplar, very pretty wood.

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The middle of the day was spent on the live session for the solar kiln class. Very enjoyable to see Doc and some others. Lots of knowledge gained and shared.
 WHen I got back to work after that I have an RO queued up and went to pull the cord and start the engine and the pull rope jacket had shredded and slid down on the core so that the cord would not come out, nor go back in. Dang! Figured that was the end of the day so I started taking it apart so I could get another piece of pull cord in town tomorrow. Well it came apart easy and a couple minutes of searching in the shed and I found a coil of the correct sized pull cord. Had the whole thing fixed in about 20 minutes. Wound up going back to milling and finished the log off, then cleaned the mill and buttoned everything up.
 The new rack stacks are starting to look a little better.

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Tomorrow I have to do some errands, but I need to get a little more firewood done and cut up all today's slabs and clean that up. Maybe I will work on that crib too.
 But tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 14, 2020, 09:05:26 PM
OGH,

  When you say poplar are you talking about Tulip poplar or aspen or cottonwood or such? That is a common misunderstanding here. All I have is tulip poplar although I did meet a customer last month with some aspen it looks like we will saw next month.

  I got out and sawed up a couple of hickory and poplar tops for firewood today till I saw sparks and my saw stopped. I think I sucked in a piece of electric fence wire. A storm was coming so I did not open the saw to check yet. I just stacked the wood I had cut, maybe a weeks worth the way we use it, and dragged the next top down then back to the barn on my ATV in the start of the rain. I'll see tomorrow what I have around my sprocket. Hopefully nothing is broken inside and just clogged.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 14, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
OGH,

  When you say poplar are you talking about Tulip poplar or aspen or cottonwood or such? 
Yellow poplar, I am pretty sure. But I am not entirely positive on this.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 14, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
   Tulip poplar is often called Yellow poplar. I think we are talking the same wood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 15, 2020, 06:15:59 AM
I believe you are correct. I gotta find a better tree book than this little pocket book I use. It is too general, but I am still searching for the 'right' one.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Ed_K on August 15, 2020, 01:48:18 PM
 Does it smell like aftershave? That's tulip poplar in south western Ma. Not much past central Ma. going north.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 16, 2020, 09:06:34 PM
Well I couldn't tell ya Ed, I don't know what your aftershave smells like. :D
 It was a lot cooler today, felt like rain almost all day but only got some late afternoon sprinkles when I was cutting and I ignored it. I had milled up a really poor RO on Firday that I made into 2x4's and some 2x2's. Today I resolved to solve one of those things that has been bothering me for years: What to do with all those little chunks I get left over from cutting firewood. There is always a pile of them in the yard and I hate the mess, then they covered in snow... So I took those 2x4's and made a 2.5x4' crib to put all those chunks in. Quick and dirty and it came out OK.

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Then I filled it and it just held all the chunks I could find. Should have made it bigger. ;D

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So it sits right outside the back door of the shop, about 15' from where the woodstove will wind up. Felt good to get that cleaned up.

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Then I went back in the shop and as long as the tools were out, I cut some scrap trimming strips and screwed them up under the joists on the last loft so I could store the unsold tomato stakes up there out of the way and some other stuff that doesn't need to be down on the floor, like the roof rake poles, etc. I got all that stuff stowed and went back out and cut more firewood from slabs, did a bunch of splitting and stacking. Still have a few slabs to hack up, but it was dinner time.
 I just have a little bit of green wood to finish cutting and splitting and a few slabs, then I need to look for the last push to get some dry wood in and finish the last 4 cord or so. Hopefully it will go quicker, I have been practicing. ;D
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 17, 2020, 07:53:45 PM
Monday, Monday. Nice and cool, I got up at 4 and had to put a sweatshirt on, it was nice! SO I figured while it was cool I would start working on some stump removal, it didn't take longs for the sweatshirt to come off, then the t-shirt was soaked through soon after. There were these 4 or 5 small stumps on the 'road' between the mill and the drying rack and a few days ago I was shuttling some 2x8's over there and caught one of them and the steering wheel dang near took my my fingers off. So I resolved to fix that today or at least get it started. Hand digging stumps is no fun. I cut a lot of roots on the first one (4") and managed to snake a chain under it and popped it right out with the Mule. Way too easy and bolstered by my overconfidence I attacked the bigger one (8"). Not so easy, took a lot more digging and still held tough. Eventually I got it out when I added my secret weapon.

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Yeah, that's my Magic hook (tm) tied up in the stump I could sneak it under the back and get a good grip. I wound up pulling about 5 small stumps. Still have one or two little ones to go, but I ran out of sweat. :D I can get those tomorrow or another day, I got the knuckle busters out of the way.

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It's much smoother now, and I have a cleaner path.

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After that I remounted my rolling vise on a new block (see vise thread) in the shop, then cut some firewood. In the afternoon I ran out to tractor supply to pick up a 3 pt. attachment for a friend which I will deliver on Thursday when we will be working together on some trees. I am much closer to TS than he is and I have a truck, he don't. When I got back I headed out in the swamp and started bucking up a tree that has been hanging for 15 years. The outer crust is decaying badly, so that even after bucking I still don't know what it is, but I think it's an RO. Tomorrow I have some finagling to do to get the mule around the Quonset hut to yank the logs out. These will be fire wood, solid stuff for sure. There are a few more hangers to take down. I will probably make a path up to the neighbors shop so I don't have to drive around on the road. After I pulled all those little trees out for him he suggested if I wanted to make a path I was welcome to. If he ever sells that property, I have first dibs.
Days like today, sweat and all, I love my job.

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Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 18, 2020, 06:50:35 PM
Cut, Skid, Buck, Split, Stack, repeat..... I don't know how many times. Seems like the same movie over and over and over. Its gotta end soon. Only 4 cord to go.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 19, 2020, 08:48:59 PM
Well I did some more cut, split, stack today and cleaned up the yard of all the pending wood. So I am ready to bring more in. I started early digging rocks to fill a hole and mid-morning the boys showed up and needed 'a project' so that game was to fill the hole with stones. :) I showed them a few easy places to collect the stones and one of them was right under a small yellow birch. I had 'stored' the rocks there 30+ years ago for a project just like this and I had grabbed a few rocks from this spot just before the boys got here. However, when I attempted to show the boys where these rocks were and all the cautions I had, there was a stinging/burning sensation on my right elbow that very quickly blossomed into searing pain as I saw a white faced hornet careen off. It was then that one of my crew pointed out the nest on the branch I had bent under to get at the rocks. My head must have passed within inches of this:

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 I headed off to find my MSG and that took care of it pretty quickly, but I still had some twinges all day here and there. Potent little buggers. Not sure what I will do about that nest yet.

So, needless to say, we found other places to collect rocks. ;D It wasn't hard, they grow wild here with no tending. :D The boys filled in the hole pretty well. Actually it is not a hole. I tried to get the mule around the corner of the cold storage shed yesterday and nearly rolled the mill into the creek on the right. So filling in that corner makes it safer. I can just sneak the mule through now. I will put some crushed stone on top when I get some. But I should be able to get through now and pull logs from back there. It will harden up over time.

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The firewood pile for the shop is starting to take shape.

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I also fixed up a lawn mower that was headed to scrap until I found out my daughter and SIL need one. Runs great now, but needs an air filter before I can deliver it. I will also see if I have a new blade for it, or sharpen the one in it. Might hit it with the pressure washer too.
 I also caught Gene's webinar early this morning on edging lumber from last week that I missed, but missed the one scheduled for today. Got the trailer out and cleaned off and loaded the truck for a day of cutting over at NYBHH's place tomorrow. Also fixed up a little doo-dad he doesn't know he needs yet and got it ready for delivery. ;D
 Just before dinner I pulled one of the sliding windows out of my shop that my neighbor was kind enough to shoot a rock through with his lawn mower last year. Its a double pane and he only broke the outer pane, so I let it go, but now it's bothering me. I hate to think what this is gonna cost. But I am heating the shop  most of the time this winter, so it is time to get it fixed.
 Early to bed tonight.
Tomorrow is another day and I think it may be a long one. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on August 19, 2020, 10:41:52 PM
Looks good, I bet you can figure out something interesting  to do with that hornets nest. I zapped a paper wasp's nest this evening that had started under the peak of my mill shed  as well. They didn't get me though,  I saw em first. I keep a can of permethrin fly reppellent wound spray for that purpose  as well as the occasional carpenter ant nest I've sawn into.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 20, 2020, 04:52:17 AM
Well, it's 5am, 52°, and still dark out so I suppose I could go give them a hit, but they really aren't in a work area and now that I know that they are there and have introduced each of the grandboys to them, I am not too worried about them. If they were holding me up, it would be a different deal. There season is going to end soon enough, I think.
 I was splitting some green Black Birch a couple of days ago and the yellow jackets came out of the woodwork for that sap. Now that was annoying!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on August 20, 2020, 06:47:41 AM
Just take a stick and whack that nest to see if there are anymore in there.  If not, you are good.  If there are, there is another good thread that you can post that in :D. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 20, 2020, 07:12:51 AM
Just take a stick and whack that nest to see if there are anymore in there.  If not, you are good.  If there are, there is another good thread that you can post that in :D.
Gee thanks, I never thought of that! Useful suggestion. ;D I will see if I can make time to try that out. I check it when I walk by and there is this one sentinel wasp that hangs out by the front door, so I am pretty sure the family is at home though.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on August 20, 2020, 07:18:17 AM
OK, you have already posted enough in the "Did Something Dumb" thread ;D. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 20, 2020, 07:22:24 AM
OK, you have already posted enough in the "Did Something Dumb" thread ;D.
Just trying to do my part and be a team player. Headed out to do a day of cutting and hopefully I will have no additions tonight. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on August 20, 2020, 11:39:08 AM
The picture of the paper nest reminded me of a near incident I had while bush hogging Monday near a creek where weeds were tall.   I was backing up to the creek and then I'd pull up after a short ways to check as the bank is a bit steep and I was not sure how close I was getting.  I do this to avoid posting results in another thread as Danny mentioned.  The point is when I pulled forward I noticed a paper nest on the edge of my cut in the grasses and weeds.  The residents were starting to come out to see what the heck had happened.   I decided best go and bush hog elsewhere.  I will need to revisit the location with a long distance spray container.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 20, 2020, 09:42:01 PM
Well, I was right, long day today, very productive though. I was headed up to NYBHH's place to cut dead ash with him for firewood and maybe a sawlog log or three if the wood was good. Left the house before 8 and went to the local drive thru deli to grab breakfast on the way. The guy in front of me in the super duty ford with the diesel tank in the back was taking a long time and I finally got my stuff and pulled alongside him to bust his chops a little, I know the guy (he bought 3 dozen survey stakes from me a couple of weeks ago), land clearing logging and septic systems, and after I am done with my snarky comments about him ordering a 3 course breakfast for a work crew of 15 :D, He says "hey, I just took a fair EWP down at the old church, we are doing new septic there, you want it?" "Well, I have to pass the place on the way, sure I will take a look". So I stopped and looked, good log, 40' stem, 24" dbh. He wasn't there so I texted him "yeah, I'll take it, 9' lengths would be good, if I come tomorrow can you load me?" "Sure" he answers "I have the mini-ex there, no problem". Ok, off I go thinking I just lined up more logs for tomorrow, this is getting easier and just 4 miles from my house. It might take 2 runs, but so what?
So I tool on up the road to Brandon's. We looked over the trees he picked out, got the gear down there and got to work. All dead ash except I think we took one little sick maple. We were pretty much alternating trees and kept steady progress going between falling and bucking and clearing junk. His Kubota made things a lot easier and I did most of the ground work while he shuttled logs up to either my trailer or the landing. It is SUCH a pleasure to work with someone who knows what he is doing, works safely, and communicates clearly. We took some smaller stuff to get warmed up, nice easy drops. No building or wire hazards in the area and if a tree went the wrong way it wouldn't matter as long as we both were out of the way. Still there were a couple that would give anybody pause to take a breath and think it through. The biggest one was a double trunk and I made a bad mistake on it. I had thought the 2 trunks were fully merged as one for about 5 feet up. Wrong. So we picked the lay and I treated them as one stick. I made an ugly job on the stump because my 24" bar would not go through, too short. SO I had to bore from both sides and I missed, the cuts passed each other, which was good enough. I drove two wedges just for safety to keep it from sitting back. The weight loading was hard to figure on this tree between the 2 trunks. Then I cut the holding wood and she didn't move. I whacked the wedges on each side and it moved a little but they were hard hitting and the wedges rang hard. So I put a wedge in the back, that one had effect. I couple of whacks and she started going. I let it sit, then tried a few more. Just about the time the wedge started to ring, the tree started to go. Lots of time to get in a safe spot. Here is where it gets funky. As the tree starts to fall, the stem on the right is heading right for the target, but the one on the left is splitting off where the trunks are joined and heads off at a 30° angle from the direction of fall. Never saw anything like it. That stem headed for another tree across the field and hung on the ONLY tree it could reach in any direction. We both laughed pretty hard. You could do that if you tried.
Here is the right stem, exactly on target:

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It could not have been closer to the chosen spot. But here is the left stem, which did not go as planned:

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You may have noted that in either photo you can't see the other stem, that shows how far apart the landed. You can see though that it was pretty dang hard to hang this tree on anything within reach. Here is a shot of my boo-boo in all it's reality and you can see how far apart the two of them landed.


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You'll just have to believe me that the tops of these two stems were only spread by 15' before the cut. It was something to watch.
The last two trees of the day came to me and we decided to try a two-fer. I notched and back cut the first one, then I notched the second tree and dropped it on the first one across the creek. It worked, to a point, but the target tree didn't have a lot of places it could fall clean, it was surrounded and it hung. That one was not a surprise. But the Kubota managed to drag them both out just fine with a long cable and some trim work.
At the end of the day, we had 10 trees down, my trailer loaded, and this pile of logs, plus some other random piles. I have to shuttle back and forth to get these all home. Plus I think we bucked a sawlog or two for Brandon's mill.

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I left his place at 5, got home at 5:30, started unloading and got them stacked. Had dinner, then cleaned up the yard and put away the mule, etc. I was done by 7ish, totally pooped. But I am hoping to go grab those pine logs in the morning because we have the Grandboys here tomorrow.
Long day.
And tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on August 20, 2020, 11:38:38 PM
It was a long day for sure but it is SO much more enjoyable to have someone to work with who is, as you mentioned, safe and knowledgeable (semi-knowledgeable in my case).  Having a cutting partner, especially with these dead ash, just makes everything so much safer and less stressful.

It wasn’t by accident that you ended up the tougher trees and there was no way to know that tree was gonna split like that and we took all the precautions we needed so that even large departure from “the plan” kept us both safe and enjoying ourselves.  A good reminder for sure though to stop think through these tougher trees.  

Pretty sure we can cut enough firewood off this place every year to keep us both warm and move our land management plan forward so looking forward to this once or twice a year hopefully for the foreseeable future.  

Thanks again also for the fire pump and picking up that carry-all frame as well. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2020, 06:02:22 AM
Ah, it was a great day to work. My legs were a tad tired last night but as of 5am they don't feel too bad.I think the place looks better with those trees gone.  Today, hopefully I can grab that pine, then tomorrow start shuttling. By the way when I got home last night, the tires on the trailer were pretty warm, the hubs were fine, but the tires were hot. I guess we found the limit on that trailer. ;D I might see about bringing the dump trailer to make this go fast, but I have to get the sides off, and that is a 3 man job.
 Today is another day, lets see what I can get done.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: gspren on August 21, 2020, 08:09:43 AM
OGH, were the tires at max pressure? If not put more air in, low pressure means more flexing which equals heat.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Funny you mention that! ;D I had the same thought. I ran 3 more local loads here this morning (pine) early and when I finished I backed the trailer in the shop. I don't trust the tractor supply folks after I discovered the defective rim last year. SO I jacked it up and figured I would check/regrease the bearings. Both wheels had a little rock in the bearings, so I took it apart, regreased and reset the bearings. Spins nice now, but no rock. I also checked the pressure and it was low.  I had heard as little low pitched whine form the tires when I was nearly home last evening which led me to suspect the tire pressure, especially when I found the hubs were cold, but the tires not. Pressure had been at only 30PSI so I pimped it up to 45 in each tire. I should be good for the next runs.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on August 21, 2020, 02:19:39 PM
Pressure had been at only 30PSI so I pimped it up to 45 in each tire.
Did you add rhinestones or something?  :D  So you are running LT or car tires?  My trailer tires are 60 psi (max) and for trailers, you always run them at max.  The idea is to prevent sidewall flexing and creating heat.  LT and car tires just aren't as stiff and will heat up with load.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2020, 06:23:44 PM
Pressure had been at only 30PSI so I pimped it up to 45 in each tire.
Did you add rhinestones or something?  :D  So you are running LT or car tires?  My trailer tires are 60 psi (max) and for trailers, you always run them at max.  The idea is to prevent sidewall flexing and creating heat.  LT and car tires just aren't as stiff and will heat up with load.
I was thinking of sparkeles, but I went with a paisley design. :D
The tires are neither truck or car tires, they are marked 'for trailer use only' and don't have a load range on them, just a max load @ 50psi. One of the rims was defective when I bought it, it had a flat spot. I didn't discover it until last year when I put a good load of logs on and the bead leaked right out. I fixed it myself as a field repair with a good cross peen hammer and good aim. ;D Since then I have been working the tire pressure up until I build confidence that my blacksmith work is good enough to hold full pressure. I guess I lost a little over the winter and haven't checked in a while. I'll leave it 45 for a week or two, then go to 50, which is max for that tire. With a load of logs on I drive mostly at 35mph, sometimes 40, but never over 45. It's all local. My run to Brandon's is only 20 minutes at those speeds.
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We had the grandsons today, so I didn't have a lot of time, although they arrived 2 hours late. I texted the guy with the pine logs at 7am and he said he could meet me at 8 and I would have to buck. I got there early and started bucking. He arrived just as I shut the saw down. ;D I backed the trailer in and he loaded me, then I started shuttling 3 logs at a time. Took 3 loops and the last one I had 5 logs on, but some smaller. The biggest was 1,000# 27" at the butt.. I tallied the load later and came up with a total of 6,500# spread over 3 trip, so I stayed pretty close to the 2,000# rating of the trailer. I could do a complete loop in just under an hour load/move/unload/and return to load again. Done before 11am when the boys showed up finally.
 I also tallied my load from Brandon's yesterday and it came out to about 2,300#, so not too bad for a guess. Glad I cut it off when I did. ;D
 While I was over there grabbing the pine I 'obserevd' some of the other work going on at the site. This is a very old Church that used to sit where the Askokan reservoir is now. When the reservoir was built around 1903, the Church folk got together and moved their Church to higher ground outside the reservoir property. NYC thought they bought the church, the church folk, thought they bought the land and took their church. The city sued the Church folk for stealing the building. You can't make this stuff up, even then. My BIL was buried from that Church, and my nephew was baptized and confirmed in it. So I know  a little of the building history. Anyway, a radio station has bought it now and they are renovating it with studios, painting in and out, and fixing structural issues. There was an older carpenter there working on a bump out addition, probably an added bathroom when the out house became passe' and he had all the siding off and the rotten sill exposed. He started when I first got there and had it all open by my last load. It was bad. I had thought it might be a 6x6, but it was revealed to be common stick building of stacked 2x6's. We chatted a little about the era it may have been built in and both agreed it was 'new' probably around 1940-1950ish. The church sits on a dry laid stone foundation which is common here for the old stuff and those masons did a fine job. Anyway, I wished him luck and as I was walking away I turned and asked him if he did a lot of this major repair type work to older structures, he said "that's what I do, all the time, kids today don't understand the old methods and can't respect the craftsmanship, it has to be done right if you respect the building." Then I asked "do you ever find yourself in need of a custom sized rough sawn beam, mantle, header, or column, or stuff like that?" He smiled and said 'all the time'. SO I gave him a card and was clear that I am a small guy and can't handle production orders, but I could refer him for those. He said, "No what I need is a guy that can do the 1,2, and 5 pieces I need to make something match or do a repair." He was happy to have 'found me'. Then before I left, the fella that was giving me the logs asked why I don't have a TSI business, or go in with him. I said "one word: Insurance costs". He said "well maybe we can work something out where you work under my company. I have some small/medium customers that could use your skills and I don't have enough time to take them on alone. I don't have good cutters that 'get it' and I can trust. Let me see if I can line up some jobs for the winter and I can move the logs, you keep the wood."  So maybe there is another opportunity there, but I am not in a hurry. We will see if anything transpires. He asked me why I wasn't working for Eric (Bargemonkey) and I just said, it's a long commute and I don't want to risk ruining a good friendship. :)
 Tomorrow is another day.
 {note, I edited this heavily after the first posting)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 21, 2020, 07:11:53 PM
 Both wheels had a little rock in the bearings, so I took it apart, regreased and reset the bearings. Spins nice now, but no rock. I also checked the pressure and it was low.  I had heard as little low pitched whine form the tires  I should be good for the next runs.
glad you took the rocks out of the hubs, that cannot be good on the bearings.  Never new you could get wine from a tire, and I thought you were a beer drinker,  and hope you do not get diarrhea (runs) too soon.  sorry working like crazy today! :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
Sorry you are working like crazy. I heavily edited the post above while you were making your reply. You might want to re-read it, or not. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 21, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
all in fun of course.  struck me as funny in the context of my shift!  Lots of good work there @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
Brandon sent me a short video clip of the last two trees of the day on Thursday. We were tired and decided to go for a two-fer, what the heck? The left little stem is on the sotuh side of the creek and the larger is on the north side. The canopy was so think there wasn't much chance of getting both to lay down, We hauled them both up the bank with little problem, it was fun anyway. You can hear my disgust with the "ARRRGGGHHH! in the video because I hit it fine, but the second tree did not fall all the way. When there are no hazards, you can try weird stuff.
Two-fer tree drop - YouTube (https://youtu.be/H-7ozvj0PqE)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 22, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
Went up and got another load at Brandon's place and DanG it all but I got my hand caught between a log and the expanded metal tailgate. Bad enough getting my hand dragged across that rusty cheese grater, but dragging my hand back to get it out was even worse. No big deal, but it still stings a little.

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On the drive home I got a call to come look at a yard tree that might have some 'interesting figure if I milled it'. Ah what the heck I thought, can't hurt to look, but probably not.
Got home, unloaded and my son finally showed up at 1pm with the dump trailer, he was due at 9. We got the sides off so I can use that for a bigger log load and save some gas.
 Watched the grandsons for a few hours then showered and headed out with the wife to out monthly dinner out and to look at that yard tree on the way. 2 dead pines, one was a double trunk. Easy fall, no hazards but they would want it cleaned up and I don't have that gear or the insurance. I told them I could give them a tree guys number when they are ready.
 Dinner was good, (first time eating out 'inside' a restaurant since the world went crazy) and home before 7 and I am just going to relax and get to bed early tonight. The heat today (over 90) was more than enough.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: A-z farmer on August 22, 2020, 08:31:23 PM
OGH 
Ouch you got that even with gloves on .
It is great you are getting your winter heat supply cut and split before the snow flys in New York.
By the numbers of mice and voles I have seen this year in the fields I think we are going to have a hard winter.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 22, 2020, 09:39:27 PM
yeah, um, well, I didn't have gloves on. I just reached in to straighten a log and the weight got me when it shifted. 
Yeah, I am feeling pressed for firewood. Normally I am done by June 1st, this year because of the virus I didn't get the early spring work done. Plus I am doubling my requirement to 10 cord and that is pressing my production abilities. Plus the time it is taking is also time I can't spend on moving my little budding enterprise forward. So Brandon has been helping me out a lot with filling the gap. I'll be back there tomorrow with a bigger trailer (x3) to cut down on the number of trips to clear the logs from his place. Then I just have to cut,split, stack.  ;D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on August 22, 2020, 09:44:44 PM
WV will tell you. Be careful and protect your hands. Hope you heal up
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 22, 2020, 09:54:57 PM
Yeah, I fell into that error trap, loading a trailer with a machine is easy, you can do it in shorts and flip-flops, right? In fact Brandon had shorts on, but he was driving.
Mea Culpa, I had my reminder. I will likely do it again though. ;D
 No biggie, it will heal. Still stings though. Just gotta keep it clean and move on. We have work to do. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 22, 2020, 10:00:36 PM
   Yeah but sometimes gloves don't help.

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   Glad you weren't hurt worse.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 22, 2020, 10:19:29 PM
True dat!
 But in this case, gloves might have been handy. These days I am cutting back on routine supplies until I have some cash coming in but I guess I should refill the glove stock a little. Most of my gloves now have holes worn through at the finger tips and other places, but in this case, I was just being sloppy.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 23, 2020, 08:15:00 PM
Man I am pooped again. Feel like I am getting old :D. In the last 4 days I have brought in 7 loads of logs. Loading up has been very easy. I stand there and nod and give the thumbs up when the logs fall in the trailer, then I reach in with a hookeroon to pule a log or two straight while the next load is grabbed. Then I chain the load and drive home, which is where the work starts. The dump trailer (on a forced loan from my son ;D) is easy to empty, but I have to get the logs stacked out of the way to leave room for the next load. My trailer doesn't dump, I yank each log off with tongs and roll it into the stack. Either way, I am pretty wet when unloading is done. 
 Now I have this neat mess.

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 Basically 4 piles and this does not include the 10 pine logs I got on Friday, they are in another area.
 Today I got two decent loads. There is one left if I use the dump trailer (my plan), but I will spend tomorrow cutting, splitting, and stacking to make a little more room. Almost all of these logs are firewood, but I have a request for a handful of ash 2x8's so I will try to mill some out of these and then the rest is firewood. Some I may only get one 2x8 out of and a couple of thick slabs to burn. But I have to open to area up, so its time to buck and split. If I can make a hole in the area, I will fetch the rest on Tuesday and Brandon's yard will look a bit better. ;D
 Judging by how tired I am right now, I hope I can stick with it. And the wife wants to go shopping at Home Depot tomorrow and 'help' me get a bunch of supplies I am running low on. I have managed to not go in over 6 weeks to try and break the habit of spending money. This is going to be painful.
 Tomorrow is another day.
 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on August 23, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
OGH, just an idea but if both you and Brandon both need firewood, would it be easier to pick some of the firewood only logs and work them up together where they were felled? Then you'd be dragging home a finished product.  Just thinking out loud, I get more done when I work with someone.  Judging by your posts, you get plenty done! Both working alone and with help! Best of luck, it's great that you keep us informed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 24, 2020, 06:01:49 AM
Well, you hit on a good point. Brandon and I have talked this through quite a bit already because (I think) we both like to talk, and we both like to have a good plan to get things done as efficiently as possible. Certainly we both agree we like working together. However, we have different needs at the moment. I am in a push to this 10 cord happen for the first time because I made this decision back in May to heat the shop with wood. For me it was not planned with enough notice to get it done smoothly over a proper amount of time for this year anyway. For him, and he can answer this in more detail, he uses wood for comfort heat in the house when needed and is now adding a wood stove to his finely built new construction shop. He will need wood for that, but nothing on my scale because his shop is a bit smaller, VERY well planned, built, and insulated. Mine is bigger and cold. (His is a work of art, and mine is just work.);D Still, that requirement is not quite defined yet. The virus has effected everyone and he is now a full time resident. We also each have different resources available, he has the tractor, land, and trees. I have 3 trailers (one is a dump I borrow) and a log splittter. Neither of us are totally satisfied that we are equipped the way we would like to be. Both of us are looking at some adjustments when funds become available.
 So yes, we currently talking this through, and what we have planned so far is a good cutting session in the fall when the leaves drop and the early spring while it is moderately cold and the ground is still firm. The plan is to yard up the logs and then pull them as needed when we have time to cut and stack. I like taking it in log form and splitting right next to the stack if I can. He prefers to split further from the stack and leave the mess in the woods. I do not like to do firewood through the heat of the summer and try to have mine finished by June 1st. So we are talking through making a work yard away from his house to yard the logs, then split and load and forward the wood to his stacks from there, or pull logs and load my trailer for me to do mine at home. Moving logs, for now, just seems more efficient for my operation, but we may revisit that when we get through this first year. I am under pressure to double my wood supply and he is under pressure to get his heat figured out and installed. Once I get mine done (and I am hoping very soon) I can bring my splitter to his place and help him for a day then leave it there for him to use for a couple of weeks. (Then I will likely move it to my daughters house, 2 miles from Brandon, so they can finish up their wood.) Brandon wants to work on 'something' (yet to be defined) to forward his split wood to the pile more efficiently and I would like to work on some way to split wood quicker. My splutter works great, but it is only a single wedge with about a 15 second cycle. I would kill to get one of those Eastonmade splitters with a box wedge and a log lifter then eventually a small conveyor to dump into a trailer or truck bed. Or find one that has a blown engine, bad pump, or busted up structure that I can repair. But that's not likely to happen anytime soon.
 SO yeah, you have a great suggestion and that is why we are both working on it and every run I do we chat about it some more and bat around ideas. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on August 24, 2020, 08:53:21 AM
Well that sums it up pretty well.  Our life has changed pretty dramatically as a result of the virus and what our future looks like is still very uncertain.   It is difficult to predict what my firewood needs will be moving forward other than more than we’ve needed in the past.  

Which has been about 1.5 cords per year and I’ve had no problem providing that with tops, mill slabs, and cull trees and have hand split everything For the past 8 years with a good old Fiskars axe.  I also have about 3 cords put away so I’m always working on next season’s wood ... a very different scenario than OGH 😉

I’ll be curious what we go through this year with the new shop, especially if we don’t get the boiler installed this season and we still don’t know what our living situation will be after December either so still a lot of unknowns.  

We do have a pretty good trail/road system leftover from previous logging high grading operations over the years by former owners so staging and working everything up in the woods is certainly an option.

This year is a bit unique also in that were talking down all the low-hanging fruit so to speak - all the dead ash right around our house.  Easy access but my boss likes to look out the window and not see piles of wood so getting the stems out of the “yard” quickly keeps everyone happy. 😁
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on August 24, 2020, 08:25:40 PM
Old Greenhorn, does your splitter have a 4 way wedge or just a wedge? Is the wedge on the ram or is the ram flat and pushed the wood into the wedge?

Brandon, do you have forks or a grapple for your tractor?  If not maybe a hook on the bucket and tongs?

We made a pretty rugged little brow that's the same height as the splitter, we load the big stuff on with the tractor, saved from lifting the heavy stuff, your working on the same level

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It was a hot day when we took the pic, so we had the Princess Auto all season shade out, only the best for me and my guys!  I figure you guys could make a brow on the cheap with your mills, and maybe help with production? Mine is 2in shorter than the inside of my tractor bucket. I'd love to tell you that's cause I'm super smart, but that'd be a fib, just what I had around for lumber!


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I am not good at takin pics, but this is a different angle. Hope it helps, or gives you an idea for something that may help? We are always trying to improve production here too.  Sorting out known trouble logs helps. I set them aside, I always get to them just get the easier stuff first!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 24, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
Well, you are a bit ahead of where we are as a 'team' on this, we are still working it out and thinking it through. We are also trying to define our individual requirements, I think. This is my first year with a stove in the shop. This may be his first winter as a full-time resident, and also a new stove in his shop. For me it's fastest to haul the logs home, then process. My splitter just has a single wedge, I may have mentioned that earlier, which is why I am dreaming of something better. Brandon is just hand splitting at this point, his current needs are not as 'severe' as mine. ;D But I pretty much plan on bringing my splitter to his place when his needs increase. I can easily see us doing this in December or January as things get better defined and I think we can really crank it out then if the snowpack holds off and we can get him better situated. The two of us bucking and splitting out in the woods should make pretty good work on his end and set him up. Maybe even this fall if he decides. Yes, I have a canopy and have set it up in 'less than pleasant weather' usually snow or rain, but I find the legs get in the way at times. This year I have gotten used to working in the partial sun as it tracks through the trees and just ignore the sweat as best I can. We will come up with something that works for both of us, we enjoy working together and think in similar ways, it just takes time and both he and I have other stuff pressing on us, so this year will not be the one where we focus on this. I can't speak for him, but for myself I am trying to just 'git er done' as fast as I can so I can move onto the 'real work'. :D Next year, for sure, there will be a much better plan, which includes the seasons.
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SO today, not much got done. Well I worked myself out of sweat...twice, but I don't feel like I got a lot done. Started in on bucking logs as soon as it was a reasonable time to make noise and cut until I was tripping over the rounds. Then I split and stacked those and repeated for another round and got those on the pile, probably a half cord and it was lunchtime. So I had lunch and checked the forum before heading back to it and it started to drizzle. I checked the radar and it showed a small cell passing over, I figured it for 15-30 minutes tops, but no, that small cell just kept growing right over our head and we wound up with an hour of gully washer rain. SO I secured everything and the wife and I made the planned trip to home depot. I had a lot of little supplies and things to buy and didn't come home with much but it came to $175 plus. Nails, wd40, an air filter, some urethane, new gloves, a 10" table saw blade, batteries, all odds and ends. Holy cow, I had sticker shock. Without a weekly paycheck this stuff is starting to add up to more than I thought. I gotta start selling some stuff soon.
Anyway, we came back and I bucked some more and cleared enough room for the last load I have to pick up. While the way was clear, I dragged some 'possible sawlogs' back around to the mill. That silly little cut I got on my hand Saturday has been problematic. It took out a chunk of skin and as it heals the skin gets tight and it is painful to make a fist. Getting a glove on it is no fun either and if I bump it, oh boy, that is so much fun! (Howard, I can see you smirking, knock it off. Its not that bad, like you must have had, but it does make the day longer.) I keep putting Bag Balm on it to try to keep it soft and clean. It has always worked for me before, but my stuff is old, maybe time for a new tin. Anyway, no photos today, the wood pile got a little taller, that's it. I plan a run out to Brandon's in the morning to get that last load out of his field so his boss doesn't have to look at it. :D His wife is a kind and generous woman (who makes some of the best dang garlic dill pickles I have ever had) and I want to stay on her good side. I think Brandon does too. ;D
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 25, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Well the plan for today was to fetch the last load from Brandon's place. When a guy does me a favor I don't like to leave him hanging and I wanted that stuff out of there so he could dress the field edges back up and make it pretty again. Gotta keep his boss happy ;D. But we had a storm cell coming through this morning so I got out at 7 and rigged the trailer, the rain hit HARD 3 minutes after I was all hooked up, then as long as I was 'at it' I also made up a 4th chain for the load. I only had three and felt a 4th would be handy (it was), so I did that and searched for, and found another chain binder. Good to go. I stopped to pick up my favorite breakfast at the place I used to get breakfast every day when I was 'working', these days the gals say they miss me (or so they say) and I miss them, so I swung a half mile out of my way to stop in, then I fueled up and headed to Brandon's. Loading is routine now and I got it all except for one big chunk that will fit in any trailer or even my truck bed. Full load, but easy trip home. This is the final load being dumped:

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Then after securing the trailer and unhooking, I commenced to cutting splitting and stacking again. I did 2 and a half cycles of that and am getting in a groove now. The heat was a tad lower (the humidity was NOT) but I feel like I am hitting a stride of sorts. The pile is 'improving'. Before I started working on the wood from Brandon's I painted a line to mark the top of my pile for two reasons. First, I wanted to see how fast I could get this done, and second Brandon and I both would like to learn how much actual firewood came out of those 10 trees, just to get a feel for it. Logs piles to cord wood conversions have always eluded me. So in this photo, taken at the end of today (in which I am very proud I figure out how to do one of those panomormagical photos with my phone), I have drawn a line to represent where I was last week, verses today. (You can see the prior photo in reply #315.)

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 Everything above the 'red line' was added with Brandon's wood since Friday.
 I didn't take out a tape and measure anything but I did some fairly close rough calculations and it looks like I am right around 2-1/2 cords of shop wood. (Brandon, just to answer your big question, I should have plenty, I am not yet halfway through that wood yet, probably more like 1/3 through.) We will know where I wound in in another week or so as I work through this and process it.
 By the by, if you look at the above photo you will see a large chunk o' wood sitting at the front of the splitter, this was half of that big double trunk I hung one side of. I was thinking it would just be more firewood, but as I worked around it today and looked it over, I thought I might just throw that up on the mill and see if there isn't a nice 3" patio table slab hidden inside. It is 27" across the face that you see. The twin of this is the only piece I left at Brandon's. He may have the same idea if I don't get back and fetch it soon. :D
 So around 3:30 today we had another front come through but this one I had seen on the radar and when I finished my last splitting session I cleaned up all the tools and threw some temporary covers on the woodpile. I finished all that and the rain started hot and heavy just as I sat down to take a short break. I finished that lawn mower re-fit for the SIL and he had dropped by on other business, so after the rain we loaded that up. He is happy.
 Not a super productive day, just average, but I feel like progress is being made. Now if I can just stick with the cut-split-stack routine for a week or so, I should be in good shape and get this all cleaned up. Then I have milling work waiting on me, and then I need to get on that chimney work.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on August 25, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
Old Greenhorn, have you ever tried to put bag balm on your hand, then a rubber glove on? (Like the kinds mechanics and doc's use).  That worked well for a former co-worker, he did it at night, before bed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 25, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Oh Golly! That is a neat idea. I may just try that tonight. I didn't mention, but the hand is better today, it does not hurt to make a fist now. I went fairly heavy on the bag balm a few times yesterday. The only time I have difficulty is pulling on those tight fitting work gloves that make me look sexy. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 26, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
Well the weather is beginning to cut us a break here. I got up before 5 and out at 7:30 this morning and did quiet work for a while got the burn pit going to take care of the bark splitting trash, and then went right cut-split-stack. I lost track of how many cycles I did today. With the lower high temp for the day I was able to stay at it pretty steady with just a short lunch break. I completely missed the WoodDoc's seminar, will have to catch the replay later. The pile is growing and the log stack is shrinking.

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In fact I have run out of room. It is stacked as high and as safe as I can get it. The peak of the pile is at 7 and a half feet. Tomorrow my son and his guy are coming over to hang gutters on both sides of the shop if the weather holds, and he will be cleaning out some of his scrap metal, and perhaps bring in a load of crushed stone to dress up some low spots in the driveway. I am not sure if I will get much more splitting done. But before I do, I have to find a place to put it. I am only at 3-1/2 cords right now and need 1-1/2 more, by my guess. I did a cord today, maybe a bit more. So I will begin to add another row, like this..

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I figure each row in the pile is a cord and a half, so one more row would finish what I think I need. I don't know if I have quite that much wood left in logs, but I will give it a good run.
We'll see where it goes, I had wanted to just work through and get it done, but with the boys putting up gutters, I will be in the way and I am also gonna get them to screw a header against the outside wall so I can hang a curtain/tarp over the wood to let the rain and snow slide down. I will also have my SIL here working tomorrow. My wife has given up on getting me to do some of the things she wants done, and he is waiting for some of his estimates to go through on his jobs, so he has a little time. He is replacing a few rotted pieces here and there on our  porch, finish all the trim work I never put up, then paint the whole thing. I have to mill up some ash to replace a few boards. I can mill them faster then he can run to town and buy them. But I have to get on that in the morning. I also need to do some 1x4's for some trim. SO tomorrow I don't know how much of my own work I will get done and Friday and Saturday I have committed to helping with the online version of a music festival I work at this weekend every year. Probably Sunday too for loading out take down. The week went by quick. ANyway, the weather is calling for rain off and on tomorrow with maybe some storms, so the whole plan could go out the window.
 BTW, Granite, I tried your idea, with a modification last night.

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It worked pretty well and the wound was moist and gooey this morning. I let it air and it held firm but was much less stiff and I just had to be careful pulling the glove on and off all day. But it is pretty much a non-issue from here on out. All is doing good on that score now. Thanks.

All in all I am pretty tired tonight having worked pretty much non-stop for about 10 hours. I can't blame anything on the weather right now. I did my fair share of sweating today but nothing like the past weeks. It was very workable, which explains why I am so tired. With all the activity planned for tomorrow I will be up early, so I am headed to bed soon. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nativewolf on August 26, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
Good idea to rig something up to keep that spot as dry as possible.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 26, 2020, 09:28:36 PM
Good idea to rig something up to keep that spot as dry as possible.  
Yeah, my thought is that once the snow comes, then the ice, the cover coming down at a long angle and will create a tunnel effect. I won't be able to pull it off easily, But I can work at the pile from the end. In the photo you will see two windows and the one on the right is where the stove will be in the shop (heck I could use that window as a pass through!) and there is also a door on the right of the pile, so I will take off the end of the pile by the door and work my way back from November to April. That's the plan anyway. This is a first time thing for me. I will know more about how to do this right by the spring. I expect I will add a hard roof over the pile next year (hung off the side of the shop, maybe 15' up) so I can hang the tarp straight down.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 26, 2020, 10:19:36 PM
looks great.  might need a shutter for the main window in the middle (right side)  so you can stack in the middle.  a third row will work fine as well.  looks good.  i am getting more motivated as the temps drop as well/  low 90s of the next week.  wife's birthday on Sunday so using the event as an excuse to get projects done.  I like the idea of extending/shed roof to cover the wood for the stove.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 27, 2020, 04:14:33 AM
Yeah, that is next year at best. I have a few major things on that list, including a new deck on the back of the house, taking down a major RO that is going (30 something DBH), fixing the back fence, dry kiln, maybe a shed roof off the front of the shop to park the Mule under in non-winter weather, pouring some concrete footings to reset the mill on, lumber shed, and a couple other odds and ends. It never ends, does it?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on August 27, 2020, 09:06:52 AM
Sorry your music festival is online, as I know you enjoy the volunteering and the music. Sure it wont be the same without being there. I need to face the music and split wood as well, glad I only need about three cord of good wood to mix with my slab waste.
Just waiting for temps to quit being in the 90's.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on August 27, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
I just phoned in a burn for today as well to start working through those slash piles.  Everything is pretty good and wet with the rain last night so figured I could keep and eye on it out the window while I work today.

I didn't realize that stack was 2 rows wide, wow, that’s a lot of wood!  A lean-to would work great to cover that.  I know where you can get some pine for it 😉
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 27, 2020, 12:22:18 PM
The music will go on, none the less. I can post the details for anyone who might be interested, most of the performers are friends or acquaintances of mine.
 I had the burn bucket going all day yesterday while I cut-split-stacked. Put about 5 wheel barrow loads through it. It was still viable this morning, so I stoked it up again and am running more through it now while the boys work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 27, 2020, 08:04:04 PM
A weird day, but as usual, I am pooped. Started raining earlier than expected, I was up at 3:30 and the rain started lightly around 6am. WHen it got light, it looked like one of those rainy all day slogs coming up. The SIL said he was coming anyway and would do inside work if it continued to rain. My son he he would give it a shot too and he and his guy would try to get the gutters slapped up at least. SO I piddled with other stuff to make sure I was ready for them, I think I started in the shop around 5:30 clearing things so the SIL could at least have his tools under cover. These young fellas don't seem to show up early anymore. :D SIL got here around 9 and my son showed up around 9:30 or so. They got right to it though and I got on the mill and cut some boards for the SIL, brought them in the shop and planed them up. We will rip them to width when he knows what that is. SO I let them sit in the shop. Checked on the gutter crew and they were moving along fine. Now the sun had come out, so I thought I might do some of my own stuff. I had ordered a tach/hour meter on eBay and it came last week, so I put that on the mill and tested it, and the dang thing worked! So I finished the install by mounting it on the engine air cover so it is right in front of my face when I am pushing. A nice little add on the help me keep track of things.

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I covered up the mill and checked on the boys again. My son asked if I had any short #8 sheet metal screws. I went into the shed to get some and that's when it hit. Vertigo. Holy cow, I have not had this in about 6-7 years. I carefully found my way through the shed and found the screws. I had to hold onto stuff and step very carefully to get back outside, 3 whole steps felt like a 1/4 mile. When I stepped outside, my son knew something was wrong and I explained what was going on. It wasn't the worst I have had and I could manage, but every once in a while I had to grab something. It scared them a little, they don't have any idea what it's like, so they can't understand. I managed to work through it in about an hour or so. Being careful not to run up any ladders. About that time all the cell phones started beeping with the Tornado warning. I checked the radar and could see we were going to get hit within 15 minutes or so. All the guys started picking up, the gutters were just about done and my son and his guy hustled through that. As long as we had a big rain coming I hustled around and grabbed some barrels and doo-dads while my son finished the downspouts.
Just before the rain, here is one side of the shop.

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And here is the other side.

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 Just about the time we were all cleaned the rain started and we hunkered in the shop to watch. It came down hard. The gutters worked, we found one leak we need to fix and the funnels I had stuck in the barrels turned out to be laughable. SO much water came down there was no way it could drop into those funnels with out overflowing and blowing right by. I donned a rain jacket (that was a waste :D) and took the funnel out of one and just grabbed some 'stuff' and made a dam to let the water hit it and drop in the bung hole. That barrel filled in 10 minutes. The other got a clog, but at least I got to see the concept was worktable.
 We got a little play in too. The guys knew I have been feeding the burn pit trying to get rid of all the rotten stuff I have not cleaned up in 'several' years. Now I am getting down to some moldy wet rotten which does not burn well, they picked up on the habit of throwing a few pieces in when they walked by, but they were keeping it too full. I can't stand a constantly smoking fire and this stuff was bad. SO we concocted a quick and dirty 'fire encouragement device'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7EHzqw6_Wk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7EHzqw6_Wk)

Later on when I wasn't happy with the angle we could get on the tube we made an improvement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuBm3s3XpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiuBm3s3XpU)

Of course this was before the storm hit. The fire survived the storm just fine. We did a little more after the rain passed then quit. I was wet and getting cold and wanted a shower. A long day, but we made some progress.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 28, 2020, 05:45:10 PM
Well the last several days have been very productive, so much so that I am really just generally pooped. I have been holding at around 9-10 hours day, but with 10 minutes lunches and no afternoon break it is adding up and I am tired. Two crews yesterday to help out and my own stuff in between capped it off. I fell asleep at my desk by 9pm.
 Today I had promised to go help set up for The Hoot festival live stream and I was looking forward to working with my friends at the Ashokan Center once again, it has been too long. But I also wanted to get something accomplished here. Last night I was searching for a way to get water out of those rain barrels and put it where I needed it. I have a 120 GPM gas pump, but I don't want to deal with that for this application. I was looking for a small 12V pump I could water the garden and maybe get a small pressure stream to wash sawdust off the mill and fill the tank. I looked in all my hiding places, no pumps. I thought I had an RV pump, but no joy. SO I searched ebay but a 5 gpm pump is like $175 and it is just not worth it for the use I will give it, or get out of it. I gave up, to think on it some more.
 About 2am I remembered a pump I had grabbed out of a dumpster about 7 years ago. A double Diaphragm HDPE/stainless hardware pump powered by air. Word was the pump was 'broke'. SO I took it figuring I could fix it if I ever needed it. My son kept trying to get me to throw it out. SO I got out early and found the pump and started searching for fittings and hardware to try it out. I found everything I needed in drawers and cabinets to connect it up right for a proper test and the pump does seem to leak a little air, but it functions. Here are the results:

Garden/Sawmill water supply pump from leftover 'junk'. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/MeV591lPwao)

Much better than I hoped for by a long shot. Its a blaster! Once I get the big tank in I will rig it all up nice. I was curious, so I looked the pump up to see what those cost. Holy cow. $1,100.00 bucks! Guess I got a deal ;D :).
 Then I cleaned it all up and headed over to the Ashokan center and helped with grunt work, setting up a 20x20 tent, moving heavy tables, benches, chairs and other odds and ends. It was nice to work with friends. They invited me back tomorrow for the show because "even though there is no public present, we should have and EMT on hand' [big wink]. SO I guess I will be the only audience. :)
 I left there around 2:30 and stopped by an old friends house. His health is beginning to fail and he is staying close to home and fixing/selling stuff he collects here and there. He had some stuff he wanted me to see and also some 'stuff I have to give you'. He heard me mumbling about my pump search and as it turns out he just had a 'dump find' and gave me this.

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Its a 15 gal. atv saddle tank sprayer, I believe Howard ( @WVSawmiller ) is familiar with these. Has the 12v pump right on it. I have not tested it yet, and not sure what I will do with it, but I will figure something out. I know these cost more than 50 bucks. :D He also gave me the 3/4 plastic tubing you see in the background of that photo, no idea on that yet, but I will work on it. ;D And as I was leaving I saw laying in the dirt a Reliance Dovetail jig and he asked if I could use it. Sure!!, so I took that too. (Now I gotta learn how to use it.)
 Lastly, this little gem that got my attention:

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Not that I wanted it (nor did he offer ;D), but I sure thinks it's a cute little thing. It's not home made. It has the name "Flowtron" on the side of it. I had never seen one. It needs the engine cover/recoil starter, but is not seized. He wants to rebuild it and I want to see it run. It weighs a lot for it's small size. I'll have to do a little research on it. I can find their electric version, but not this gas one. I am curious. Anybody ever see one run? Anybody ever see one? :D

 I am taking the rest of the day off and just puttering a bit. If any of y'all are interested you can catch the music most of the day tomorrow where I will be at from around 10:30am to 8pm. Don't look for me because I won't show up on camera unless somebody drops on stage. The music will be a combination of live performances and archived but never before broadcasted  performances. Folks like Pete Seeger (archive), Amy Helm (live), the Mammals (live), Jay Unger and Molly Mason (live) and many more. It's free and all the details are found at
hoot.love (http://hoot.love/) as well as the live broadcast when it begins. We have a good time, come join us if you like and meet some of my friends.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on August 28, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
   Yeah, that sprayer tank and fittings looks real similar to what mine used to look like. Actually I just need some new wiring as I think the pump survived and I need a new sprayer wand. Putting them in the front basket of an ATV for downhill spraying is not the best idea. Congrats on getting that dumpster find pump working. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 31, 2020, 06:28:39 AM
I don't know what happened, last night I put up my usual post and now it seems to be all gone without a trace. Maybe I had a dream? But no, the photos I used are still in the gallery. SO I have to use those photos to stay legal but I am not going to re-type that whole post.
I mentioned that I pretty much cut everything I have (one small log left and some hangers out in the woods I can fetch). This is how the shop pile sits at just about 4 cord.


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I also have 4.5 cord put up for the house. I have time yet so I am back burnering the wood to get some milling done.


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Then I have the chimney to buy and install, and the stove to pull out and rebuild. Lots to do before it gets cold and drives me inside.
 Still wondering where that post went.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on August 31, 2020, 08:30:25 PM
Long day, started around 7:30 after getting up at 5 and 51°. Sealed log ends before I could make noise, got the water pump hooked up for cleaning logs, man that thing works great! Milled an order for a customer.
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Got a load of stone delivered by my son around mid-day and filled a mud hole leading to the drying rack.

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Also filled that spot where we put the rocks last week and now have a good start on the shortcut to the neighbor's place.

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The 4 grandsons were here so we 'invited' them to spread the rest of the stone in a driveway low spot. Of course, this was the result:

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 They got covered in stone dust, and I hosed them off.  ;D I had thought if I gave them proper limits and instructions, the spreading might go well. 


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The white line was the 'low limit' and the pink line was the 'high limit'. I needn't have bothered as you can see. I will work on it tomorrow.

While they were 'spreading', I got the old stove out of the storage barn. It needs a lot of work, not sure what I will do with the disintegrating catalytic combuster. It is an Atlanta Casting Huntsman model, log out of business, I am looking for manuals or tech sheets.I'll get into it tomorrow, for now I cleaned out years of mouse history and put some penetrant on all the moving parts.
 I can say this was a really long and full day. Hitting the rack early tonight.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on August 31, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
looks like if their grandpa would put a hitch on that bike for the rake, they could have rid in circles and got it done! :)  "and a good time was had by all!"
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 02, 2020, 06:47:51 AM
Well, I can't say I worked too hard yesterday but last night I was too pooped to post. :D
 I got up at 4 (still having trouble sleeping a full night, no idea why, just lots to do. Got out to the shop around 6am and started piddling with the stove and looking over what all I had to do. I did manage to find the manual out in the storage shed at first light so that made life easier knowing what the 'as designed intent' was. I decided it's going to get pretty much a full rebuild. That stove served me well in the past and burned and heated my shop for years, time to start over. It has a catalytic combustor in it and that has seen better days. As this company has been out of business for many years (Atlanta Stove Works) I didn't think I could find a replacement, but I got lucky after a few hours of searching. Knowing I could get the combustor changed my attitude toward the full rebuild. Taking the flue outlet and combustor cover off was a point of no return decision, so I started it in the morning. Here was the 'issue at hand, getting this off without making things worse:

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 I tried taking the screws out (HAH!) and managed to twist one head clean off, so I just sharpened a chisel and cut off the other heads being very careful not to crack the cast iron. AFter the top was off I carefully removed what was left of the broken combustor and set it in a coffee can in case I needed it for a reference later. The I ground all the studs flat and center punched them and spent over an hour drilling them out. One popped right through when I center punched it, so I will have to use a nut there, fortunately, it is in a spot where I can reach in a put a nut on it. After drilling I re-tapped all the holes as 10-32.I wound up with this:

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 It looked like it might rain so I went out and tweaked my water collection system to make sure I got what I could. One barrel is empty and the other only has about 10 gallons in it after cleaning logs and the mill. It never really rained just drizzled, but today it should see some action.
 Then back in the shop and did a little cleaning and looking. There was a small air baffle meant to direct some air/smoke flow across the top of the combustor for (I assume) mixing and ignition purposes, that had been knocked off sometime in the past, perhaps since I first bought it? Easy fix when I put it back together. I looked at the gaskets, baffles, screws, and other parts to replace and made a list. I headed to the local stove store (yeah we have one, but...). I like to keep the local shops working especially now and I knew I would pay more, but these folks did pretty well by us when we got an entire new stove and chimney for the house 4 years ago, so I wanted to use them if I could. If I had a model and part number they could maybe help me from stock, but when I just asked for blank raw material to make my own gaskets and parts, I got a blank face and the guy starting looking on the internet where I just just buy them myself. I managed to buy some baffle board (they took it off a service truck for me) and the door gasket and adhesive. I also got a little free advice. Then I drove to HD for stainless screws and MAYBE they might have the gasket material (hah). There online store browser said they had the woodstove 'stuff' in stock in the seasonal aisle, but I could not locate said aisle and when I inquired, the employee said they have no stove stuff out yet. So I got the screws and checked what they have in stock for my gutter work later and left. Half a mile down the road I realized I didn't get the paint, so back I went and did that. When I got home I got online for an hour and ordered the gasket materials and some other stuff, plus the catalytic combustor ($176.00!) so all that is on the way.
 Then I put a few hours into wire brushing and sanding. I painted a test spot and it will look OK. I also put some thought into how far I need to go and what the next steps are. I have to assess the firebrick situation and look for a couple of replacements. I started working on the legs to get the adjustment feet moving freely but 2 of them are giving me problems and I was beginning to get frustrated and ready to quit for the day. It was 5pm anyway and I was tired.
 About that same time I got a text from a client that he was on the way to pick up his lumber, so I got that ready and when he arrived (after driving right past my driveway as I was waving my arms) we got him loaded up. He seemed pretty happy and I gave him more than he ordered because he is an old friend through Scouting. ( I have decided that if I want to cut someone some slack, I don't drop the price but I will throw in bonus lumber. This seems to work better for both parties.) Since he had come just a little earlier than expected the wife and I could still go out for dinner, which made HER happy, and for the first time, I let my lumber sale pay for dinner just because. Kind of a symbolic thing for me.
 But man I was bushed and was in bed by 9pm and slept until almost 5 this morning. It just started raining a normal steady rain and I am very curious to see how much water that translates into my barrels for 1,000 sq. ft. of roof. Definitely a 'shop day' today, time to get my boots on and get at it.
 Today is another day. Can't wait to see what happens. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 02, 2020, 07:18:08 AM
As an aside, when I was in the stove shop, the tech and I had a chat about 'whatever happened to the catalytic combustor design'? I always (and still do) think it is a very efficient design and for a pre-EPA stove and it has a super burn, you can hardly see any smoke from the chimney when all is burning right. Additionally when you cleaned the pipe there was very little creosote as almost all the particles are burned by the combustor before they exit. This process generates a LOT more heat from the wood that would otherwise go out the chimney. Given all that I could not understand why they went away. The tech said it was laziness on the part of the manufacturers plus they had the EPA requirements to comply with and they took the easier route to certification using a known working design concept (which I am still not totally sold on). He also told me they are coming back and being used in some pellet stoves now. As the science gets better he expects to see them returning to wood stoves. He also thought the user needs to understand the technology and get the burn right otherwise if the stove is choked too much the combustor doesn't ignite and it clogs over time. Many folks don't put that kind of effort in except serious wood heaters. So they design the stoves 'consumer proof' to keep a clean burn going out the chimney. You cannot in any way close off the air feed to these new stoves completely. I find this very dangerous in the event of a chimney fire. The first thing you do when a chimney lights up is shut off the air supply at the bottom, then  at the top if you can. I have not had a chimney rumble since I got the new EPA stove, but I keep a clean chimney. Joe homeowner may go years between cleanings and this could be a problem. I have met folks who didn't even know they had to clean their chimneys (several of them when I 'visited' their homes for a working chimney fire ;D).
I had always thought it was combustor cost. Those replacements are expensive and changing them is not easy (design dependent). If they come back, I think it would be a good thing. I don't know of anyone else that has a combustor in their stove or ever had one. Maybe there are a few folks here? I would like to hear your experience. For me, I am looking forward to seeing that glow when the combustor kicks in, it's like money in my pocket. :) More mileage from my wood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 02, 2020, 09:10:48 AM
OGH,

  One trick I have found when cleaning my stove pipe which has a couple of 90's between the stove and the wall, is to remove the pipe, carefully pass it out the window to the back yard, shake out as much soot as I can then throw a few ounces of gasoline in the pipe and toss a match in there. The remaining creosote generally burns to bare metal in short order. Probably not OSHA approved but it works for me. Good luck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on September 02, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Seems catalytic combustors made a comback as result of the May 2020 changes at least it seemed so. I remember adding wood to dad's stove and choking it down at night, it was old brick lined steel unit from the 70's.  You don't do that now!  Stack it bypass the cat, light it, after hot engage the cat and adjust the damper.  As you say there will be good heat and the burn is long and clean.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 02, 2020, 09:23:28 PM
Howard, those 90's are tough on good ventilation, but I think I will seek a better method for cleaning this one. No offense. :D ;D I am actually trying to layout the install to make cleaning quick and easy, but I will have two 45's for an offset of a couple of feet. In my first shop I had so much pipe inside the building to reach the wall that I had to clean the chimney monthly and I took it all down and put each section in a garbage can and beat the heck out of it to break it all up, then I could run a wire brush through it. I would nearly fill a garbage can each time. I think it was 30' of pipe, mostly on an uphill horizontal run. Terrible design and layout but not really my idea. But that's how we learn. In my second shop (with the stove shown below) I cleaned the chimney once a year and it took 20 minutes. I learned quick.
 Sam, I sure hope the combustors make a comeback, I think it is a good idea, good for heat and good for the environment.
 Today I was up by 5, in the shop by 7:30 and it rained all day, sometimes pretty hard. My barrels filled up in no time and I slid one out in the afternoon and put an empty in its place, not sure if that will fill because the rain tapered off. Still, the 100+ gallons I have will go quite a ways for me. We got over 3/4" today and it just started raining again.
 So it was a shop day and I went back to work on that stove I did a LOT of wire brushing and cleaning. Actually most of the day between that and painting. I also attacked the tower section and the legs. The legs have stainless glides but they were frozen and by the time I got them out I realized I just needed to replace them, so I found some on eBay for 10 bucks. I also looked over the bricks and I have 3 broken ones, so I searched and nearly ordered a pack of 9 online until I was checking out and saw the shipping cost was almost as much as the bricks, so I started over and come to find out Tractor Supply has them in stock in town for under 4 bucks a piece! Saved myself over 50 bucks. So I put that on my shopping list and moved on to the turret I took off yesterday. It had 2 screws holding the quartz sight glass in and I could not budge them using the Phillips head, it just rolled out. So I took a cutoff wheel and cut a slot in both and put a good screwdriver to them and they both came out without drilling. :) Turns out they are 10-24 (not common in my shop) and I had no stainless, so I put that on the shopping list too.
 I got the turret all wire brushed up, also did the legs, then did the retainers for the glass. All that is painted now too. I may do second coats tomorrow depending on how it looks. So far it is looking pretty good.

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 It's been 33 years since that stove stood on it's own legs. I can't wait to get it done and the chimney hooked up. It will be like welcoming back and old friend. One of the things I enjoy most about a woodstove in the shop is keeping a coffee pot warm on it most of the day. That is a true luxury. :)

Actually it hasn't looked that good since we got it, but I am wondering if I should have gone for the gloss black instead of flat? Every once in a while during the day I would need some relief from the paint fumes and dust, so I put on a rain jacket and went outside and shoveled some more of that crushed stone. It was much easier with all the puddles to show me the low spots. In fact, as there was no way I could finish it today, I got a can of marking paint and outlined all the puddles for later reference.  ;D There is no easy way to see them clearly when the water soaks in. This might help.

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 I'll get that done in pieces in the next few days. Hopefully it makes for easier plowing through the winter (which I hear could be a doozey this year in the northeast).
 By 4:30 I was shot, so I ran out to tractor supply and got the bricks, but they only had plain steel screws, so I got those for place holders until I get the stainless. Got back home and started putting together the order for the chimney. Had dinner, finished the order off, double checked it, and paid for it. I sure hope I got all the right stuff and don't hold the job up for a missing $20. part. It came to over a grand and it was really hard for me to click on the 'enter order' button while I was looking at the cost. Somehow I mustered the courage. I will finish what I can on the stove tomorrow then package the whole thing up and move it to the side and clean up the tools and mess. The parts I have on order will take a while to get here, and lord knows when the chimney will show up. That should kill the morning tomorrow, then I need to decide what is next. I have slabs to cut up and stack and another log or 3 to do the same to. I could also start prepping for the attic work to put the chimney in, lots to do there too. Depends on the weather. They are calling for more rain in the afternoon, but who really knows? ;D There is always something to do around here. ;D I will be hitting the rack very shortly after I post this. I am pooped once again. Getting old ain't for sissies but I managed to get 10 or 11 hours in today anyway.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 02, 2020, 10:05:57 PM
Great progress there, TSC is my go to place for stove brick as well. Wish you could push some of that rain back this direction. You are making progress and will have a nice warm place to work this winter.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on September 03, 2020, 07:13:18 AM
I sell stainless nuts, bolts and screw under the Hillman brand at the small hardware store I work at. Seem like Home Deport or Lowe's does too in this area, under the same name, Hillman.
We sell a lot of fire bricks too.
I may not have much out for stove stuff yet, but I would take them out to the WH and show them what we have.  ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 03, 2020, 07:47:56 AM
yeah HD is my normal go to for stainless screws, but I had been there twice the day before and I wasn't ready to return just for 2 screws. TSC does not seem to have any stainless, I have now learned.
 Funny (but annoying) story about this visit. I shopped online for the bricks but balked at the cost plus $26 in shipping for a few bricks. Then I found them online at TSC as noted above and they were in stock at my local store. So I drive on down, walk in and ask the 'first guy' I see where there wood stove stuff is. He points to a big open area on the floor and says "right here, but we haven't put it in yet, what do you need?" so I tell him and he says "we may have some in the back, but I don't think they are in yet." I explain I checked online and they are supposed to have them in stock, I only need 3. He pages someone to go help me at the customer 'service' desk and sends me over there to wait.... and wait, While store employees keep whizzing by, they ask if I am being helped and I say "NO", and they keep walking and say they will 'get someone' to help me. Finally a perky energetic your fella comes over and asks what I need. I explain. He goes to check with someone else, then comes back and gets on the computer. After a lot of typing and clicking he says "I think maybe I found them, lets take a look". And off we whisk right back to where I was standing where I first came in the store and talked to the 'first guy'. He was standing right next to a case of about 50 bricks, it was open. If he had looked over his shoulder he would have seen them. 15 minutes and I will say the fella that actually did help me was a hustler and knew the store pretty well, he helped me find the screws too, but he didn't know the difference between steel and stainless, or 10-32 and 10-24.
 I got checked out by the 'first guy' and he asked if I found what I was looking for. I just laughed and said "Yeah, accidents do happen!"

 This was all much better than my HD visit the day before. Similar thing, their online system (which I am reading on my phone while I am in their store) says they have wood stove stuff in stock in the 'seasonal section'. So I find an associate and ask where this section is, he points and says "It's right here but we don't have any woodstove stuff." I begin to point out that their system says they do and it is in stock in the seasonal section. He just repeats his mantra. I gave up and moved onto other things.
 Used to be you could go to a store with a broken worn out remnant of a part and lean on a counter and talk to a person who would open up giant catalogs, check cross references, maybe even check a computer, then go in the back and come out with something you could make work. You might even get a cup of coffee while you waited! Now a days you have to look the stuff up online yourself, check stock yourself, go to the store, find it yourself, (and if you need help locating it, there first answer is likely "oh, we don't carry those", so you have to tell them that yes, they do, and it is in stock), then you have to even check yourself out. Explain to me how this is progress? Ah, never mind, I don't wanna know. ;D :D
 See, now you got me all worked up. I gotta go do some work. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 03, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
OGH,

   Sorry for your poor service at your local TSC. We have several around us and all are pretty good. One over in Lewisburg WV is generally better because they have a lot more big farmers over there and they seem to get more experience working with what people actually need. One gives a veteran's discount the other does not, go figure. The one that does not says the other store has a Rural King 5 miles away and they have to be more competitive than them. I'd have thought that was corporate policy but must be a store manager policy.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: breederman on September 03, 2020, 09:06:18 AM
If you check prices at TSC on line the prices are different at each store. Unfortunately our closest store is usually the most expensive. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 03, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
Slept until 5 this morning, that was nice. We has a heck of a storm come through just after midnight that dropped over and inch of rain in about 40 minutes. All my rain barrels are full, which means 150 gallons. ;D I dawdled a bit this morning and didn't get into the shop until 8:30, I was not very energetic. I did a second coat of paint on some stove parts and then began cleaning up the area where the stove will live. There is a window right there I have not opened in 25 years,, but I might use as a pass through for firewood because the window is currently covered by the fire wood pile. ;D So I worked at getting the window open and out of the frame. I cleaned the track and the glass and put it all back together and now it functions fairly well. Did more cleaning and putting away of stuff to make some room, but I have a bit more to do on that. Then  I went back on the stove and cut the ceramic insulation boards to fit on the side wall and relized the right thing to do was to do the same on the floor. That board is really expensive and the best I could find was around $150 for a 12x24' piece. Finally I found the Grainger has it in 12x12 for about 15 bucks, so I got two of those on order. That will allow me to get all the bricks in and when the gasket material shows up along with the combustor, I should be able to finish it.
 After lunch I thought I would rest my eyes for a bit, still not feeling too perky, and that turned into a 3 hour nap. Guess I needed it. Got up and did a little more cleaning in the shop. No word on when the chimney might show up and I am a little concerned that I have not gotten shipping info yet. I sure hope nothing is amiss. I had intended to do some more firewood, but the afternoon turned ugly and the rain started again in little showers. Hopefully tomorrow I will get my energy back and dig into some work. Today mostly cleaning, fixing, and thinking about how I am going to do that chimney myself. All the little work is important too and has to be done, I just kept reminding myself of that when I didn't have much to show for the day.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 04, 2020, 08:27:52 PM
Got 8 whole hours of sleep last night for the first time in many weeks! Felt a little more perky today too. Not much progress to show for it though. I did some more cleaning and putting away in the shop and about 9 I started more cut-split-stack wit the slabs and a few logs I decided was too small to mill. Not a lot of wood, but it all counts. Right around the time I ran out of wood, I heard the UPS truck on the road, so I walked out to meet him and save him the walk up the drive. He drove right on by and delivered a box next door. I thought that was odd, since I had something 'out for delivery' today and she almost never gets any UPS, so I jumped in my mule and drove over to check the box, and sure enough it was for me. About that time he come back down the road and tried to make an impossible turn into my neighbor across the roads driveway. It gave me a chance to catch up with him as he was trying to decide if he felt lucky. I interrupted his thoughs and suggested the next time he wanted to try that, he best just pull in my driveway and turn around first. And while I was on the subject of "MY" driveway, I pointed out the error of his delivery. He started to tell me that my house couldn't be "162" because he just delivered it to the house next door which is 162. I told him that was 164 and he looked at me puzzled. Before he could answer I pointed out that if he was in doubt, he could either read the numbers on the mailbox or refer to the 6 inch high numbers on my garage that clearly say "1-6-2". He thanked me, backed his truck up and made it down the driveway.
 Well the box was the ceramic buffer board I needed for the stove I installed that and then put all the bricks in and tucked the stove in the approximate area it will live. Been a long time I have seen the inside of that stove like when it was operational.

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 Now I just need the rest of the parts to arrive so I can do the top end. Then maybe do a test burn out in the driveway if I feel safe rolling it out there. ;D It is getting heavy now.
Then I went and cleaned up the splitting operation and started a debris fire for the bark and whatnot. While that was burning I piddled on some other stuff and then brought my truck over for inspection which took an hour or so. And that was my boring day. I still need to cut the lawn, I keep forgetting but otherwise, not sure what I am doing tomorrow yet.
 Still no news on the chimney order yet and no shipping notice on the combustor either. Looks like at best, I may not have the stove done until next Friday. I am waiting on 3 different deliveries from 3 different sources, and then there is all the chimney stuff from another source. I really should start figuring out how to do the chimney and laying out some lines.
 But, tomorrow is another day. I am sure I will figure it out. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 04, 2020, 11:39:15 PM
Cut the lawn, I wish we needed to. Most of our hasn't seen the mower for a month. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 05, 2020, 04:37:33 PM
Early entry today, we are heeded over to my son's in a little bit for some kind of backyard barbque, holiday thing. I don't feel like it's much of a holiday and anymore these 3 day weekends just bring in more tourists clogging up the road, causing accidents, and generally annoying people. Could be I am turning into and old curmudgeon, but I am not showing any of the signs yet. ;D
 Anyway, up at 5, out at 7, piddled around and for some strange reason decided to do something that wasn't even close to being on my list for today. I decided to mill up that half of an Ash butt log from the tree that split on us a couple of weeks ago. It is taking up space, so what the heck. Weekends are supposed to be for fun stuff anyway.
 I had trimmed one edge of the log previously so that it should fit on the mill bed, but when I got it up there, it was still a bit too wide. 

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I tried using the battery chainsaw my neighbor just gave me to noddle off an inch, but that thing, even after I worked on the tiny chain for a while, cut pretty poorly. So I got the 450 and whacked some off. Still not enough. You can see in this photo, that the rails are barely visible, but the bolts heads from the wheel would catch on the log, so I had to take more.

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 Took some from the other side at a high spot and it looked like it would fit, ran the head up and down and all was JUST clear. Problem now was, I could not get a clamp on it and it was so rounded and irregular on the bottom that I could not catch an edge stop either. I just had to let it sit there. Well, no guts, no glory, so I went for it, very slowly. Once or twice I had to kick the log back to eliminate a rub, and I had it pretty much swallowing as much depth of cut as it could handle to get it all off in one slab. First cut:

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The first cut I was using an old blade, just in case things went south quick and things blew up. They didn't. But the blade gave me a swoop. (pretty wood though, ain't it?)


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No problem, I just got me a brand new box of 4° blades this week, so I opened the box and realized I did something dumb, and expensive. I ordered 1-1/2" blades instead of 1-1/4". Oh boy. Never ran a 1.5 and I don't know if I can, but I gave it a try and it cut real nice, so I guess I am good? I got the first 3" slab off nicely.
 Anyway, now I had a new problem challenge. As I went lower the log it got wider and now both blade guides were hitting at the same time. I was 3" into the cut when I realized this, so I backed out and called a huddle. I could be noodling off edges all morning, so I decided the only thing to do was stand it up and take a straight cut off one side. Easier said than done. But done it I did, clamping required some creativity.

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 But I edged the one side and then laid it down on the flat (cut) side to take the second (and last) slab, which revealed some funky patterns.

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Neat stuff in the foreground for sure and further up the log there is a section that did not clean up, this forms a depression. At first I thought I might take another inch off, but then thought i would still have some junky spots left. Then I had the idea that I could make, instead of a river table, it could be a 'pond table' (tm). That is, I could fill the depressed area with a colored epoxy (maybe blue) to look like a pond. You will note a dark line that starts in the lower right and goes right into the depression, well that is a little punky, so I can peel that out, and it would be the feeder stream! What do y'all think? Good idea, or should I adjust my meds? :D

 Anyway, that whole ordeal took more than 2 hours and was a lot of manual work. I did some other stuff for the mill and cleaned everything up. Tried to organize my blades, but gave up. Need to send some back for resharp. I pulled the little trailer out of the shop that I have been walking around, tripping over, and using for an ad-hoc workbench, took the tomato stake rack off it and stored both out in the swamp. I swept the shop out. Then I mowed the lawn because Nebraska said so. I even did the front. I put a load of campfire wood into the garden trailer and drove it around and transferred it to the truck (our contribution to tonight's 'thing'), then came  in and took a well needed shower. Short day, not much to show, but learning took place, so there is that.
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 05, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
Funny you mowed because I mentioned it, ;) but if we actually needed to mow here it would take a few mentions and probably  a stern look from mom towards  the boys before anything  happened. Shocking I know....
I think that slab will make a neat looking table with a pond, those grandsons will probably  try to fish it when the weather  is bad.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 06, 2020, 08:58:05 PM
Well the lawn was a week overdue for for mowing, but the rain held me off. If a guy from a dozen states away saw fit to remind me, I figured I really needed to make it happen. ;D
 Well today I slept in until 7:30! I guess that handful of hard seltzers or whatever the kids call them, that I had at the party last night might have helped a bit. Wasn't sure where to start today, but since I am going to work in the attic on that chimney, I needed to put some kind of floor up there. Why does one simple project always spawn 5 others? The wife also decided today was the day she wanted to paint the screen door. So I pulled that down and set it on horses.

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Then I decided to pull a pine log and make some boards for an attic floor. I was gonna mill 1x6 but these came out nice at 1x12 and I figured why split them? Got enough for 80 sq. ft. out of one log and that should do for the area I need to work in and make it safe and easy. Man that 4° 1.5" blade cuts nice!

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I cleaned up the mill using the hose and then gave it a blow dry with the leaf blower. I piddled around with some other stuff and then for some reason decided while the mill was open I should do another log to give me some 2x material for some of the framing around the attic pass through and the 'water tower' I want to build to hold the IBC tote up in the air a bit (I am loving this water pumping system and want to clean it up a bit). So I pulled this out of the second log and stuck it on the drying rack. Not sure how much time it will have to dry. :D I got a couple of 6x6, 3 2x6, 4 2x4, and a 5/4 by 16", all 9' long. It will give me a start anyway.


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 Then I cleaned to mill again. I am also enjoying have that tach on the mill more and more. I keep an eye on the engine RPM as I mill and can correlate the sound to the RPM better now and can adjust my milling speed to minimize diving from pushing too hard. This is leading to much flatter boards. I can also tell when the blade is getting dull sooner. Knowledge is power and this is translating into better wood. My stuff is coming out SO much better than it was a year ago.
 Anyway, tomorrow is another day. Maybe I will get that floor in the attic and start looking at the chimney layout, or maybe I will 'discover something else' that needs to be done.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: farmfromkansas on September 06, 2020, 08:59:56 PM
I have a broken firebrick in the drolet woodstove in the basement.  Tried to find the same size, and not available here.  Any easy way to cut a firebrick?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 06, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
No that I know of, I am not a mason. What brick size are you looking for? I would imagine they are cut like a regular brick, scored and fractured. I have a couple of odd sizes in this stove and it appears they are cut the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 06, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
block, brick, tile saw, ect.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on September 06, 2020, 09:41:52 PM
I would put a masonry blade on a skil saw. No masonry blade, I betcha a metal one would work.  ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 07, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
Fairly cool, clear, and lovely day today. I got up in the attic first thing and scoped it out, then started cutting floor boards and humping them up the ladder to get them set. (A little tricky through a 2' hole with 1 x 12's.) am not screwing these down yet, until I know for sure what I really want. There was a lot of diddly messing around to make things fit and figure my way. A lot of that has to do with what they did when they built the shop 40 years ago and figuring out the intent before I change things, fixing the messy insulation (which I should have done 30 years ago). Looking to but a set of attic stairs on CL or something to make it easier, might as well put that in while I am at it. Just missed a good one yesterday by a few hours. Also figuring out 'where I was' in the attic as it relates to 'where i need to be' as it relates to the building floor plan. I don't want to hack a big hole in the ceiling and then find out, when I look at it from below that I was off by one truss. ;D
 Anyway, by 11am it was too bloody hot to work up there anymore, even though it was only 70 outside. I did other stuff, thought about some things going froward, mused a bit, helped the wife with the screen door a little, which is a 'project' for her. After lunch I cut some more floor boards and just shoved then up through the hole for tomorrow morning.
 I hate working in attics with glasses and a mask on and long sleeves and the heat, but it's gotta be done. I will get it as ready as I can before the materials arrive, but I am not cutting anything until I have it all on hand and can measure 3 times. ;D I did cut the framing parts for the chimney box, but just have them setting there ready to go. Think I should do a couple more to box out the hole in the roof, just because I can. This is the last chimney I will ever install, might as well do the nicest job I have ever done, if I can.
 Tomorrow is another day, I am gonna try and hit it early to beat the heat, but I think I will run out of work pretty quick. I hope some of this stuff starts shipping soon.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 08, 2020, 08:09:51 PM
Well, yesterdays plan for today never materialized. :D I overslept until 7 (watching a late movie last night), so I went out and sanded that screen door and put another coat on so I can put it back up, I miss it and so do the cats. The wife had other stuff to do today and is in no rush. I want it out of the shop. ;D I had 2 packages out for delivery today of stove parts, so I figured I would get some more work done on that. I saw the mail truck so I walked out. No packages. >:( 20 minutes later the truck went by again and stopped at our box. 1 package, just the leveling feet I ordered. So I put those on then grabbed a log, peeled it and got it on the mill. I know those EWP logs are being eaten as I watch. Peeled and washed it looks pretty good.

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But all those little grubs inside the face of the bark tells another story.

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 When I took a break for lunch I saw that the mail truck had been by a 3rd time, with my second package, Which was the gasket material I need for the turret and combustor window. So I cut those  and installed the combustor window. The turret will have to wait until I get the combustor before I can set the gasket. That combustor has yet to be shipped (over a week now) and I have been in contact with the company 3 times checking status and their responses get stranger and stranger. Now they tell me it should drop ship from the Mfg either today or tomorrow. It's all I need to finish the stove up.
 I went back to milling to finish off that log. It started out at 27" on the big end and I had to trim some to fit it in. I got some jacket boards 4/4 x 14, a 2x4, 2 2x10's, and 4 6x6's and got it on the rack. It was a lot hotter than it seemed and I was pretty soaked.
 Not even gonna guess what I am doing tomorrow. It all needs to get done, and as long as I don't waste any time, it all adds up to the end goal, what ever that is.
 Tomorrow is another day, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 08, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
OGH,

I assume you are talking about FedEx and UPS and such and not just USPS. Our postal lady only makes one pass per day.

I'm working on a deer blind (Modified bus stop) for a customer - 4'X4' and have the base, back and both sides built with only the front and roof to finish and have the metal for the roof. I am out of poplar and ash 2X4's and thinking about pulling a 16-17 ft long ash 2X8 and resawing it to finish my project - of course it is on the bottom of a tall stack ::). I also plan to go cut down a Norway Spruce and cut it up into 3/4" siding. I figure 3-8" & 4-6" boards per side then a 2" batten over the seam. I have to include windows and a door so have a design I I'm trying with a 20" wide X 16" tall window. I may spurge on plexi-glass or just use thin wood. I'm making the window rails out of 1X1 sticker stock which seems to be working well. We will see. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 08, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
All three of those visits were from the USPS. I don't get it either.
 Neat stuff with your bus stop/deer blind thingy. I hope you put some pictures up. I have been coming across this EWP lately more and more and like it for utility projects, easy to mill and build with. It doesn't keep like the hardwood though and I have to get it milled up before the bugs do it for me. The problem is I have no idea what I need it for, so I don't know what to mill. I made 6x6's from one of the bigger logs. I can re-saw later if needed. As the logs get smaller I will move to 4/4 material, very handy all around, and framing sizes like 2x4-10. Rather have it on the drying rack then sitting as food for the bugs. Man, there was a ton of small grubs in the log I peeled today. Gotta get the other ones done soon. Some may be too far gone, one tree was dead, and the other was live but had center rot at the butt. I think I have 8 left, but may donate some to and OWB down the road. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 08, 2020, 10:38:30 PM
   I don't get a lot of pine here but when I do and I don't know what else to do with it and it is big enough I like to saw it into 2"X 12" and over size them about 1/4" so I can resaw into 2X4, 2X26, etc. I like it for framing. Another thing I do with my 2X12 is cut them into 12" squares then cut them into 45 degree angles on the diagonal leaving 2 triangles I use to make shelves. I take a 1X12 nail it to a 1X4 or 1X6 at the back then nail one of the triangles on each end and one or more in the middle if the shelf is long enough and nail the 1X4 or 1X6 to the wall and it produces a rock solid shelf for stacking on. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 09, 2020, 06:23:23 AM
Well I have in the back of my mind the solar kiln I will be thinking more about over the winter so I may be putting up a lot of 2x4's and 2x6's for it on speculation. I need to build that water tower sometime too.
 There is also a young couple on the other side of town that I have known since they were in elementary school. They are in their first house and doing a lot of work. The gal has planted herself a really nice garden and is selling roadside in front of the house. I stopped and looked at their 'stand'. It is made entirely from pallets and scraps. Looks pretty good considering, but I thought they deserved better, so I thought I would make something for them or at least mill up the lumber for them. It needs to be a trailer type and it needs a roof. Maybe they would let me put some stuff their for sale too. But I would like to help them out either way. This would be good material for that.
 Funny, I never know what to do with pine, but when I mill it up it gets used fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 09, 2020, 06:53:15 AM
you could always start out a little cheap, like uv sheet plastic for the glazing and plan to replace later with tuftex or the like.  I have been looking for a sign company that will sell me a chunk of the lexan on a roll.  finally found one that can get it, but they want to sell me a whole roll.  about 10k for a roll.  do you want to split it.   :D  .  the other expense for a guy with a sawmill, is the insulation.  I wondered about dry saw dust to again "build it cheap" with materials available.  just need a good vapor barrier.  If you drying shed were insulated and closed in with plastic, it would be a start.  You already have a ton of projects, but I am considering getting started on something, even if it is for firewood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 09, 2020, 08:26:55 AM
Doc,

   I'd be careful on using sawdust for insulation. My well house was an old spring house previous owners used to keep the milk in. It is cinderblock and dug into the side of the hill to help keep it cool. They filled the cinderblocks with sawdust and stuffed old newspapers in the roof for insulation. It became the vacation capital of the state for termites. I had to tear off the old roof, raised the whole structure 2 courses of blocks to keep the back corner from touching the ground and put a sloped roof on to shed the water instead of the flat one originally there - flat roofs are never a good idea in snow country. We use it now as a well house with the pump and water treatment system in there. In old days before they had refrigeration the water from the spring uphill from it constantly ran into and out of an old sink they kept the milk in. I guess if the kiln is always going to be bone dry the sawdust would work but if it ever gets moisture it will be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 09, 2020, 08:34:26 AM
good advice, and more of a theoretical conversation.  for a guy with a sawmill, the glaze and the insulation is the biggest expense.  i would imagine a vapor barrier on the inside covered in wood to protect it, and a construction (Tyvek) fabric on the outside with a lap or board and batten so it can breath.  I hate to do things half way, but then sometimes it is hard to get started.  so just a thought for a first kiln, that would cost less.  as @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498) once said, "it is just a solar kiln".  so the weather has changed and it may be better to wait till next year.  but it might be cool for firewood ect.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 09, 2020, 08:57:35 AM
good advice, and more of a theoretical conversation.  for a guy with a sawmill, the glaze and the insulation is the biggest expense.  i would imagine a vapor barrier on the inside covered in wood to protect it, and a construction (Tyvek) fabric on the outside with a lap or board and batten so it can breath.  I hate to do things half way, but then sometimes it is hard to get started.  so just a thought for a first kiln, that would cost less.  as @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498) once said, "it is just a solar kiln".  so the weather has changed and it may be better to wait till next year.  but it might be cool for firewood ect.
Yeah, it's funny but available resources vary widely and can be totally unexpected given a certain locale, connection, or circumstance. Turns out, those UV panels are available locally (Lowes, I think) and not overly expensive. For insulation, we have a had foam insulating plant (maybe still do?) and their seconds have flooded that area. I can get 3" thick for cheap in nearly any size I want. So I was thinking maybe 6" walls and floor to add a couple of weeks on both sides of the season. I think for me, the cash outlay (besides the panels and fitting hardware for same) will be the fans and monitoring equipment (hygrometer, airflow, and wood probe(s)). I do want to find a way to drive the heat to sterilize at the end of the cycle. But it's in the planning stages and I will assemble stuff as time and opportunity permit. First I need to create the flat ground area, and that is the real expense for me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 09, 2020, 07:52:36 PM
Just another day. Re-hung the screen door and both cats are very happy to have it back.

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Got back in the attic and spread some more floorboards out and did a general layout on where the chimney will run and checked that with the view from the floor. All seemed good. Not cutting anything until the chimney arrives and I finally got shipping info on that after a week, it should arrive Friday. Still nothing on the combustor and they do answer my emails, but always a new excuse. a little concerned on that score.
 Then I got out and peeled and pulled up another EWP log and had at it. Because I was blowing a lot of water, I have staged a cleaning area just short of the mill to keep the water from the mill area it makes things muddy. Sure does help a lot with the cutting to have a clean log.

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Man, a lot of grubs in this one and I finally caught a photo of one of the beetles working on it.

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I figured I might, I found lots of holes. These logs were just cut 2 weeks ago, but I think they got an early start.

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I found a few larva in the outer jacket boards, but maybe I got it early enough. The logs I have left are older and older. Might be junk wood. Anyway, I got 16 2x4's out of this one and a couple of 4/4 jacket boards.

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Not a lot of lumber on the rack, but a full day anyway. I dragged up another log before I ran out of time. Tomorrow I'll run some errands. I need to pick up a couple of 275 gallon tanks, one for Brandon and one for me that I found on marketplace. After I drop his off I need to swing by a job site and check out some trees I was offered. My guy wants me to mill a cherry for him in exchange for a bunch of logs, not sure what he's got, he says there is some black locust in there. We shall see.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 10, 2020, 05:43:28 PM
An unusual day today, I WENT OUT! I don't get out much these days, between the virus killing my desire to mingle with folks and my need to stay on task with all the things I need to get done, I just don't leave this place much.
 But I had found a source for 275 gallon IBC totes for only 50 bucks, I need one and Brandon needs one. The source was near Brandon's place and he doesn't have a truck (yet ;D) so I figured I would grab them both and drop one off to him, then I had to go look at some logs a fella offered me in return for milling up a cherry log for him, located in an 'undisclosed location'. SO I had my driving loop laid out for the day and hit the road at 7:30 stopping first to get breakfast at the place I used to stop every morning when I was 'working'. I missed the gals there, and they still claim they miss me, then I headed off to get the totes about 30 minutes south of here. Nice place, big sprawling show horse farm. I think the fella I was dealing with was the foreman or something like that. Anyway he gets these totes from a company that buys road paint in them and uses the paint for their work, but needs to get rid of the totes. They are not 'food grade' by any means but the water-based paint residue cleans out, to a point, and they are cheap. So I got two then we chatted a little about people we knew in common. (You have to be careful around here because if you say you have been 'good friends' with someone for a long time and it turns out to be a person the other guy doesn't like, it can get sticky. ;D) I hit on one out of two, so not too bad. Anyway a simple transaction and we parted with a handshake, then a 10 minute run up the hill and over to Brandon's to drop his off. That took 5 minutes, then we walked and talked for a half hour as we usually do. :D
 While there and tied into his wifi, I texted the guy about his job site location and just got very general information "it's on Plank Rd" in Phoenicia. Well no, it is on Plank rd. in Mount Tremper. "OK, where, that's a long Road?" 'near Uncle Pete's campground'. SO with this 'very specific and detailed information' I head off to the northwest through a downpour to find this place. I get on plank road after a 30 minute drive and realize I have been on it a hundred times, just never knew the name. I have worked fires, water rescues, gone hiking, had FD drills all on this road, I knew it well, just not the name. Anyway, up and down the road, I see Uncle Pete's I am looking for 'sign' like heavy equipment, mud tracks coming from a driveway, slash piles, anything. I got nuttin'. There is no cell service in this area at all, I know this of course, but I try to get a text out telling him I am in the area, give me more. NADA. I give the road another swing through then call it quits. Half way home my text finally gets out and he answers with more nondescript stuff, so I pull over and text him back saying 'It ain't happening today, I am nearly home now. Without an address or something specific, I can't find it, I don't see your equipment from the road. I will come out the next time you are working there, let me know. I really need a good landmark to find this." I get back on the road and get home. As I walk in the door he texts back and says "there is a 'for sale' sign out on the road". Yup, now I know it, I passed it twice and saw it both times. It would have been nice to know that 2 hours ago. Normally driving around in a downpour would not be my preferred way to spend a morning, especially chasing a ghost, but today it was a nice drive, because, as I said, I don't get out much. :D
 Anyway, got home, had lunch, it was still raining fairly well, so I donned a rain jacket and pulled the tank off the truck, rolled it around with a hand truck to the back of the shop and fired up the air-powered water pump to clean it out. Man I got a lot of black junk out from the paint residue. I ran 80 gallons of water through the thing before it started to clear up. By then I was soaked, my arms were covered in the reconstituted black paint. It looks as good as it is going to get. ;D and it will hold 330 gallons of rainwater for cleaning logs, cleaning the mill, watering the garden, and supplying blade lube for the mill and washing hands. Good enough.

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Since I was soaked, filthy, and feeling generally 'icky', I cleaned myself up with shop rags and took apart all the doweled glue joints on the vanity the wife wants to 're-purpose' and sanded and cleaned them all then re-glued and clamped everything for her. 

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Then I came in the house, stripped off my soaking wet clothes and took a nice hot shower. Short day. It was nice to get out for a bit, but I am tried of being wet today, nice to have clean dry clothes on.
 Tomorrow we have the monthly tune-up appointment with our chiropractor and will be watching the grandson's for the rest of the day. Not sure what I might get done.
 But tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on September 10, 2020, 07:04:29 PM
Doc, not sure if you've tried a glass shop for lexan type material? That's where I always got mine for racing! They usually have it in large sheets

OGH, you were talking about fans for your kiln. We used to use bilge fans on the bakes for the racecars. They were pretty reasonable price wise and were rugged too! If it's solar and you got a panel on it they are 12v, so wiring and where you place it are easier?  Hope that'll help
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 10, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
yes granite, I priced it there, but it comes in sheets, and also increased price per sq. foot.  I want to span 10 plus feet and prefer a solid sheet over the whole top, not a bunch of sheets butted together.  thanks!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 11, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
Well I got nothing finished today. Between the chiro appointment and the grandson's I snuck in some time here and there but didn't complete hardly anything. We stopped at HD and I picked up a few fittings on the way to the Doc. When we got back I messed with that a little to try and figure out how I want to plumb this thing up. I have a 'sort of' plan, but I will need to wait until I have the tank up on the tower (I have yet to build), then I can lay it out fully. For now, I just left a mess.

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Then I recalled I need to add a pressure regulator on the pump, so while I waited for Fedex I scrounged parts and almost had it done when fedex came and dropped a few boxes off.

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I spent the next hour or two looking it all over reading the installation instructions and figuring how I will do this.
 I went back in the attic and did some surveying, not really looking forward to this, between the attic heat and working on the roof, none of this is what I call fun. ;D

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 At the end of the day I did manage to finish putting the regulator on the pump. Think I was running too much pressure to it. When I get back to milling we will see how it works now.
 Then one of the grandson's who has not yet learned how to sit properly in a wooden dining room chair, busted it all to heck. It's an old chair and the glue dried out, but he also busted several dowels and ripped out some screws. That's fine. I was looking for something to do anyway. So I drilled out the dowels  and got it ready for fixing. Just need to pick up some glue dowels now.
 I made a shopping list of stuff I need to do the chimney work beginning tomorrow. Time to hunker down and just do it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on September 12, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
I have in a pinch made some dowels for gluing by using a regular dowel and going down the length with a pair of plyers squeezing it so the serrations on the plyers made an impression on the wood for the glue channels.

Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 12, 2020, 09:19:09 AM
needed something to do?...!!!!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 12, 2020, 08:41:36 PM
Yeah, always need another thing on the list or else I won't have a list. ;D
 Man boy howdy but I am tired tonight! I got up at 4, out in the shop by 5, cut the framing pieces  out of full sized 2x4's I milled, but I ripped them down to match the KD sizes so everything would fit right, measured and checked 3 times before nailing the frame down in the shop. Fastened the hanger/ dress bucket to it. Checked the attic insulator fitment. Drove an awl up trough my target dot on the shop side JUST to make sure my measurements in the attic weren't off by a truss width. Assembled all the tools I thought I might need and threw them up in the attic, then the chimney parts and the framing section.
 Got up there and it was too warm (around 6am), actually had a work jacket on. SO I uncovered the isulation from where I thought we were working and there was the awl sticking up. I layed everything out carefully, the last thing I wanted to do, was to do it twice. I marked the cutout in the sheetrock, then removed the frame and adjusted the marking for the support collar (about and inch wider). Then I cut the hole with a knife and dropped the frame with the collar back in. AT just that moment, my wife came in the shop, so I could ask her if I was aligned and it fit. She gave me some "a little this way' and 'a little that way' and said it looked good. SO I nailed it all home, good to go, I hope. Then I plumb bobbed for a center mark on the roof, drilled a few start holes and ripped the hole open with a sawzall. It all looked good. So I snaked (with some difficulty :D) the lower chimney section with the adapter section on it and the attic shield, up through the hole and let it set down on the support box. Looked pretty good, maybe even devine.

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Yeah, that halo is from the outside light, not my little worklite. I thought it looked cool, first time I thought to grab a photo, I had been at it steady.
 Anyway, at this point I need to run to town for some roofing sealant and a couple of other things before I went up top. So I did that and grabbed a couple more parts the rainwater collection system coming up next, along with 2 other things. Got back home and knew I was not going to run up and down to the roof, so I put some time into planning ALL the tools I would need, pre-assembling everything on the ground and understanding how it all went before I went up. I am not using a ladder for this. Instead I have my antenna tower which I find better, although a little tougher on the feet. (If you've done tower work, you know.) The nice part is, you climb up until your feet are even with the roof and just step off. Sort of. :D ;D

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Anyway, the challenge of doing this stuff alone, is getting it all up on the roof. My legs won't handle the up and down, and carrying up the tower is not do-able like it is on a ladder. So I rigged up a multi stage lift plan. All of these are tagged together.

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The first lift is the tool bucket, which also brings up a rope tied to the flashing/storm collar, pulling that up brings up a rope tied to the cap assembly, tied to that brings up a rope tied to the final chimney section with the roof stabilizers already attached (that's the heavy one). 
 SO I brought up what I needed and got the flashing on, but the chimney looked WAY out of plumb to me. Nothing square to reference from up there, but my neighbor was in his yard. I needed a level to check, I couldn't believe I screwed up by that much. So my neighbor tied his level on my rope and I pulled it up and checked it. I was wrong, it was about 1/10 of a bubble off dead plumb. Man, my eyes were really off. SO, all good to go. I put the flashing on and nailed it in, Then the storm collar and sealed that up (gotta touch that up though). My neighbor had offered his help, but frankly, I would rather not. It took me a long time just to ask him for a level. Anyway, he had to run out on a errand, so I had time to think about it. I dressed up some stuff. All that was left was to bring up that last heavy top section, wrestle it on, then set the roof supports. As I walked over to the edge to begin, I realized it was 5:00 (I saw the clock on the shed) and I recalled that I had not had lunch yet. or a break since around 5am and then I realized my legs were getting shaky. I thought for a few seconds about that. Then I turned around, went back to the (very short) chimney and stuck the cap on it, collected the tools and put them in the bucket and put my hat over them to keep the dew off. I climbed down. It was a long day and there was no point in pushing my luck. When I got down, I realized how REALLY tired I was. Tuckered out, as they say. I cleaned up a bit around on the ground and went in the shop and got a beer. It sure was good to look up at the ceiling and see that stub sticking down. I have been waiting a really long time for that.

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 So tomorrow I have the top section to go, and the bracket, plus a little extra sealing just because I want to be sure it is 'winter tight'. Then I can clean up in the attic, think i have nothing to do there for now. Then I have to start working on the stove hookup itself, which should be pretty easy. However, I am STILL waiting for the catalytic Combustor before I can finish the stove rebuild. I had wanted to cure the gaskets and test it in the driveway before I installed it, but now I guess I have to change plans. I can't fire the stove without the combustor, but I suppose I can set it where it is going to live and run the pipe, then just wait some more. That Dang combustor was the very first thing I ordered on this project and I still can't find out IF it shipped, HOW it shipped, WHEN it might ship, or WHEN it might arrive. Emails with these guys every weekday, but just excuses. 12 days now. I am getting worried and trying not to loose my cool, but ...
 It's cool enough at night now that I put cardboard over the missing double pane window I have out for repair to slow the humid cool air coming in overnight.
 It does occur to me that I did only start this project under 2 weeks ago, so I am probably not doing too awful bad, but the next project is always driving me to get the current project done. Plus, I have milling to catch up on, the water system, attic heat reclamation and then transition into the fall routine which I have no idea what it looks like yet. I hope it includes lots of good milling weather. I am pretty certain I will hit the rack before 9 tonight, I am that tired.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 12, 2020, 08:56:12 PM
   Man that does look like a long but productive day. Well done. smiley_clapping

   You make a very good point about working alone. People who work with help don't realize how much effort you expend to go pick up a dropped tool or part or get off a tractor or ATV to reconnect a cable or rope that slipped off, etc. I think I often spend more time and effort on those kind of issues than on the actual work. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 13, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
Looking good, hopefully that part shows up soon.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 13, 2020, 09:39:39 PM
Yeah Nebraska, I hope that part shows up soon too, but this is turning into a bad movie on that score. All I can do is have faith and persevere.
 Howard, you are right, working alone ain't for sissies, you have to think twice as hard and be three times as sharp as the next guy. The risks are much higher and nobody is there to make the 911 call if something goes wrong. You need to plan for all those options. Plus all the extra effort to handle tools and lift the 'other end' of stuff that most take for granted. The subject is worthy of a thread of it's own.
 I hate working on high roofs these days at my age (well, not my age, but my balance isn't what it once was, and it was never really very good), but it's gotta get done and ain't nobody gonna do it for me, so...
 This morning up at 4:30 when the coffee pot kicked on and out to the shop before 7. Got everything lined up, double checked it all and climbed back up there at 7:30. Here is where I left it last evening:

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Hauled up the roof bracket assembly, the level, some other tools and got things layed out and planned my attack. Then I pulled up the last chimney section which was heavy enough for a dead lift. I work slow up that high, I just plugged along hating every minute of it. Got the cap on the top section, put that section in place, secured it with the collar, checked plumb again, hooked up the roof supports, measured out where I 'thought' the joist 'should be', coated everything with roofing tar and screwed down the brackets and dang if I didn't hit studs with most of the screws. Accidents happen! When I left the roof, it looked like this:

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I packed up and lowered all the tools, then climbed down and hit the ground around 9:30. Coiled up my ropes and put the tools away. The wife wanted me to sand flat and flush the new board on the back porch, so I did that, then I got to fitting up the dowels in that broken chair and glued that up. (Glad I found something to do.) Man, fixing chairs is bad enough, I am never making one, too many joints that ALL have to fit at once. I used every beam clamp I had and still came up short.

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Then we got a call from the neighbor who was doing a barbecue lunch and invited us down. Thought we were going for dinner from the previous invite 2 days ago, but OK, lunch works too. I had already decided to call it an early day. I was shot from the roof work. So only a few hours, but the chimney is DONE and looks pretty OK, the wife got her floor done, and the chair is glued. Good enough for a Sunday. I am calling it a half day and letting it go at that. Nice to visit with the neighbors and sit, instead of work. I maybe should do that more often.
 Tomorrow is another day, and I have a plan for it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 14, 2020, 07:25:55 PM
Well I guess the extra beer I had at the barbecue yesterday helped me sleep until 8 am this morning. Boy that is rare! So I got a late start, as mentioned elsewhere the temp/humidity meter I had ordered came today so I installed that to monitor the attic temps. Then I started the process of cleaning the area where the woodstove will go and rearranging everything to fit.
 Low and behold a Fedex truck showed up with the combustor and gasket! I wasted no time and settled that little puppy on into it's cradle, gooped up the gasket and set the turret on top and got it all screwed down. 

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Put a new door gasket on while I had black fingers and the stove is now waiting to be broken in and the gaskets cured. Back to cleaning and moving. I finally set the stove where it goes (until I change my mind and move it again). Got it leveled and started on the black pipe. Howard mentioned the difficulty of working alone and this is no different, even a little tougher trying to work from the top, then the bottom, get it all aligned, and there is just no way to do it alone unless you are sneaky. I made a third hand to hold the upper pipe, so I could align the lower pipe and figure out how to adjust.

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Things came out fairly well but, as Maxwell Smart used to say "I missed it by THAT much!"

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The vertical section you see is a telescoping section, but I have it just about fully out and am not going to push my luck. With the single wall Durablack pipe you can't cut and fit it, both ends come with a factory formed end. I didn't know this until I got it. The Durablack will also not mate with conventional single walled pipe either. I didn't know that either, otherwise this would be an easy fix. All I need is a one foot section of the right pipe and we are in business. As luck would have it, I live halfway between two stove shops, both 10 minutes away. But also as luck would have it, they are both closed on Monday's >:(. I have a piece of new conventional pipe and had planned on using that to cut and make up the difference, but that ain't gonna work. First time working with the Durablack and I am getting my education. ;D SO I will let it go until tomorrow when the shops are open.
 I had glued a couple more joints to finish off that broken chair this morning, so I took the clamps off, everything was tight as a drum. So that is at least done.
 Tomorrow is another day and hopefully the test firing to close out another project.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: gspren on September 15, 2020, 08:09:22 AM
 Did you burn a hot fire in the stove since you painted it? If not I'd fire it up OUTSIDE one time to cure the paint.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 09:07:52 AM
Yeah, that was my original plan, but since the parts took so long, and it IS a shop, I am just going to do it in situ. I have lots of doors and a few windows I can open if something gets out of hand. Besides, it hit 42 here last night and the shop is a tad cool (61) this morning, so I a little heat wouldn't hurt. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 12:50:55 PM
you have inspired me.  we now plan to have a camp project of building a solar air warmer with Scout Troop 1.  we can take it to Trappers and Camp Alaska to demonstrate as a stand alone hand warmer.  however, unlike you, we plan to keep it simple!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
Well if you ask for for advice you are likely to wind up building a 3 story spa shack. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 04:10:50 PM
 :D :D :D smiley_smash smiley_sidelightbulb thumbs-up   laugh_at  smiley_swinging_board   smiley_brick hits_hardhat   smiley_carpenter_hit_thumb
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 07:39:49 PM
Well today was an odd day in that my productivity as measured in work output, was a little below minimal, perhaps 3 hours, but as far as milestones completed, for me, it was huge.

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No, that photo does not indicate there is a new Pope, it means after 33 years I finally have a woodstove working in the shop. This has been a long time coming. I was very frustrated yesterday coming up a tad short on the pipe and all the stove shops around here are closed on Monday's. SO this morning I started making calls at 9am on the dot. The local, preferred shop was not answering the phone, so I headed their way called in my breakfast order, then called them again. They were clear, they do not carry that style. AN old buddy had something for me so I went to his place to pick it up, and spent almost an hour 'catching up'. I called the place that opens at 10 and they would not answer their phone either. I was halfway there so I headed over figuring they were just busy on the phone, I had called 6 times and their recorded message said they were open from '10-5'. I get there and they have a sign on the door "Will Open at 1PM today". Well that sucks. There is a guy working in their shop and the garage door is open, so I ask him if they carry DurBlack. He says yeah, some. I ask if he can at least look and see if they have what I need, he says "no, come back at 1". I said 'not if I can help it'. I was ticked, why didn't they change their message on the machine? I made a few more calls based on good suggestions from other locals to as far as Margretville and Andes (45-60 minutes drive). One place I left a detailed message with what I needed. I returned home, continued the search and made more calls. The place I left a message called me back, confirmed what I needed and told me they had at least one, they would pull it from their warehouse and have it on the counter in a half hour. I ran down there and got gas on the way, picked it up, paid and headed home and got lunch on the way back. Got back, ate my sammich and got to the work. It took a couple of hours to get it aligned (a lot of up and down the ladders, then up and down the stairs) and then drill and put in all the screws. I am anal about having 3 per joint and using stainless screws on all. I stepped back and it looked pretty good.

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I cannot tell you how good it felt to see, feel, and smell this:

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Then it was just a matter of running up a good fire and seating in the gaskets while checking everything. I got up in the attic after it hit full working temp and checked all that. Checked the chimney up and down a few times and messed with the regulators to get used to them again. I also remembered an oven that my Dad had found and fully restored about 30 years ago for no reason I could fathom. He did a perfect job then put it in a plastic bag where it stayed until my son found it in his attic 2 weeks ago. So I stuck it on the stove to see what it would do and it held 175° pretty steady. Not sure what I can do with that, but I suppose I could warm up a lunch or something or stick a coffee cup in there.

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 I sure wish my Dad could see that stove working, he would smile and get a real kick out of it. I sure do miss sharing stuff like this with him.

 So not a lot of actual work, but a goal hit, none the less and it was a long time coming. Now to clean up and move on to whatever is next, but I am not certain what that is. Maybe I'll do some more firewood while I am thinking about it.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 07:53:15 PM
At that temp, it will be perfect for oven dry measurement of MC from you kiln, or to check your firewood.
also could put a little fan behind your wood stove to force the heat into the air and circulate, when needed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 08:15:16 PM
I just went out and checked the stove, it had hit it's stride and I closed it down some more but threw in more junk chunks of wood (I have plenty to get rid of). The little oven was up to 200° it seems to lag the stack temp by about 25°. The main floor of the shop was just over 70 and up in the loft area it is 76. SO far so good. The stove is not packed because the chunks are too irregular, and it will likely be out int he morning, but I am curious to see what I have. Life is good.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 08:18:43 PM
life is very good.  i exhaled a sigh of relief for you.  all the volatile stuff in the paint should be gone soon.  ready for the next season.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 08:25:04 PM
Oh, I think that stuff was gone in the first hour or so. I had the window open next to it and it did a little visible out gassing as it came up to temp. I can still smell it a little bit, but it is just a real pleasant smell to me. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 08:27:59 PM
will you toss wood in through the window, and have a rack?  or just go out and get some through the door when needed.?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 09:04:27 PM
I have no idea. :D I will play it by ear and see what works. My son just gave me a cute little 2' diameter wood hoop to hold wood inside that one of his clients was throwing out. not sure if I will use that, or bring in a small pile daily. I can pull through the window to some extent, but eventually it will be out of reach. I have a wood hand truck I use in the house that is very handy, and when I have some cash to get rid of, I would like to get one of those for the shop. I can bring in a full 24 hour load in one shot and it is very mobile.
I'll also be doing a 'seasonal re-arrangement' of some of the stuff around the stove/door/window area, but I have no idea what that will be yet, I just know it is not working as it is, so I will have to think on it and figure it out. These are all little details that will sort themselves out in time. It took 33 years to get to this point, it might take a little longer to finish it off. Heating season doesn't really start here fully until November, but as the stove is the only source of heat I want to use in the shop, it might start a little earlier. Big learning curve now to see how the latent heat holds in the building and how it responds to short fires each morning which might be enough for the day until we start getting cold weather. I think this last approach may take me quite a ways and I can start building up 'junk wood piles' of chunks and dead falls and stuff I would normally overlook to get through the pre-heating months. Yeah, I just have to reckon this out. Time will tell.
Using a woodstove, I have always said is like having another child, in that you have to adjust your life a little to make that child happy and comfortable and if you just change your habits, it is not an imposition, simply an adjustment. In the end you wind up with a better life in general and the stove, or child, is also happier.
So since I have developed this new retirement habit of getting up between 4 and 5am each morning, maybe I will have to pull on my boots and go feed the shop stove before I finish my first cup of coffee each morning, then do the house stove and by the time I start work things should be warmer. The house stove is easy, I just fill it and set the inlet to the same place and it runs fine until late in the afternoon. It will take me a while to get re-acquainted with the shop stove to hit that level of control, it's more old school and finicky. Like me. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 15, 2020, 09:11:01 PM
we are enjoying the adventure.  let us know.  we all or most go through the same mental gyrations as you...  so it is good to know we are not the only ones!   :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 15, 2020, 09:30:50 PM
OH Doc, I surely hope nobody's head goes through the same thoughts that mine does. ;D My mind has some very dark and terrifying corridors, although most of those things have passed since I have distanced myself and found some calm. I have been pretty good for nearly a year now unless somebody hits one of my triggers, but I am learning to deal with it and getting pretty good at walking away quickly. Putting it out of mind mind is still tough.
 OH wait, you mean just figuring things out? Yeah that, I get it, we all have to figure it out for ourselves, no getting around that. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 15, 2020, 09:48:06 PM
    We heat with wood and have a natural gas furnace with baseboard radiators as a back up. We throw our wood in through a coal chute into the basement below which used to be a major chore requiring coordinated help from several people at the same time. I was studying the arrangement one day and a kid who lived with us the last half of the school year asked what I was doing. I told him I was trying figure some way to pass the wood through then lower it by myself. He said "Why don't you just make a raised wood box?" It was a genius idea. I immediately built a box out of old barn siding and scrap 2X4's. the box is about 6' long and 30" wide and 3' deep. I can throw in nearly a week's worth of wood at a time then when I go down in the basement I raise the bar and the wood is ready at chest height so I don't even have to bend over to pick it up. I bought a little 2-wheeled firewood dolly from TSC that lets me stack a 1'X 3' tall stack of wood then roll it into the den where the wood rack and heater are located. You may want to consider a similar or modified arrangement for your needs. Good luck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on September 16, 2020, 05:31:45 AM
When I use to burn wood in the basement I made a box about 4 feet square to keep the wood contained when I threw the wood in though the window. I made a slot to put boards into on the front. I would remove the boards as I used the wood. Kept the wood and mess in one place instead of all over the basement floor.
Could always put a box fan behind the stove. I have one in my basement, I hung it upside down, so I could reach the controls, it has been there for years, maybe 3-4 years. It runs steady, I never shut it off. I told the wife, be lucky if it last six months.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 16, 2020, 07:01:39 AM
Yeah, work flow is important. I need to see how my day to day works out. The woodpile is just on the outside of the wall from the stove, you can see it through the window. SO no matter how I do it, it is only 4 to 10 steps from the pile to the stove. Floor space int he shop is a premium, so I would prefer to minimize the amount of wood in the shop. On the other hand a series of blizzards, broken equipment, or other issues can change one's priorities pretty quick. ;D Sometimes the work stops in winter in order to battle the weather. Howard, the cart I refereed to that I use in the house looks like this:

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Is that what you have? I love that little thing and want to get one for the shop. The tires work great in snow and ice and it holds more than a days wood in it. I just park it by the stove. Easy.

 I just went out to the shop a few minutes ago to check the stove and I guess I choked it down too far, the chimney cooled down and I had a dribble of creosote juice running off the top of the stove. It will take a while to figure out the airflow I guess. There was still a good bed of coals, so I think I choked it way too much. Also wondering why that gasket leaked. It is supposed to warm up for a few days now, so maybe I'll let it cool off and do a little remedial work. I'll have to pull the chimney to do that. Oh well.
 The shop floor was 62 and the loft was 64, so my airflow in the building seems good and without much layering.  (It was 46 in the attic.) Balancing all this will take a little while. It's a process.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 16, 2020, 07:37:25 AM
Similar cart to what I use to bring firewood into the  basement.  Much better than the arm load at a time method. Do you use a chimney thermometer?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 16, 2020, 07:40:09 AM
Similar cart to what I use to bring firewood into the  basement.  Much better than the arm load at a time method. Do you use a chimney thermometer?
Yeah, I love the thing. Used to be that by March, my left arm didn't work too good. ;D
 Yes, I use those magnetic stove thermometers to monitor. Was running the stack at about 225 when I left the shop last might, but I guess that dropped off quick when I choked it too much. It's a dance.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 16, 2020, 08:17:27 AM
OGH,

  That cart looks like mine only yours looks like it has Pneumatic tires and would would work better on dirt or such than mine. The tires on mine are solid and work fine on our concrete/tile floor inside but probably not on dirt. It is a very simple but very practical design.

  Instead of a slot with removable boards like cfarm describes I put about a 6' long 2X4 on the front to raise the height. I just drove a nail or put a long screw through the upright one one end and made a cradle on the upright on the other end out of a couple of short pieces of 2x4 for the floating end to rest in. Now I can just rotate/pivot the front 2x4/bar up and rest it on the other upright while I unload wood. This gives me and extra foot of storage height. I just have to be careful not to bump the floating end of the bar when I prop it on the upright or it will rotate down and fall down on my noggin.

  Before I built the box it was a 3 person job to bring wood in. I'd be outside passing wood through the opening, my daughter would be standing on a wobbly chair taking the wood and handing it to her brother who would carry an armload at a time to the next room and stack it while both bickered about the bark or dirt or such falling off on them. The raised box is much faster and simpler and a one man affair. The raised box means I don't even bend over to pick up the wood.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 16, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
I am a little confused by your description. A photo would help a lot. Maybe I should just re-read it slower ;D
 As I said, I don't really want to store more than a says wood in the shop and the pile is so close. That hand truck with the pneumatic tires is the best ticket I think I could have. Bit cash is very right right now, so I will hold off for a bit.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 16, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
 
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 Closed position. See coal chute above where wood is tossed in from outside. The top 2X4/bar rotates. Lower bar is just for extra height in the box.

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 Open position with the top bar resting on the upright for access to the wood box.

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 Pivot arrangement. Just a horizontal 2X4 wedged between 2 vertical 2X4s and a carriage bolt holding them together allowing the horizontal piece to rotate up and down.

   This whole box arrangement was made from leftover scrap with no money expended except maybe 50-60 cents for a bolt, nut and a couple of washers.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 16, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
I get it now, perfect setup. Cheap and simple and efficient!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on September 16, 2020, 01:39:04 PM
need someone's old treadmill setting outside so you can drop it on the conveyor belt and it will zip inside.  a little less effort and  a lot more fun.  might even save your back.
wv I was imagining you box out side.  that makes sense the way you are doing it..
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 16, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
   Yeah, i can't believe we struggled to get firewood in for all those years till finally a 16 y/o boy casually suggested the solution like it was so obvious which it was when he said it. The uprights are just 8' untreated pine 2X4s that were laying around. The bottom was a scrap of leftover heavy barn siding. The box is the size it is because that was the size of the scrap barn siding. The uprights are nailed to the floor joists above for stability. Absolutely no extra cost and probably took less than 30 minutes to slap together but we have used it for over 20 years. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 16, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
Its funny how those simple things can provide such a huge solution. I have a few things around there that I suffered through for years until I finally made myself re-think it through and realize I could have made it better years ago, if I had just thought it through.

Well, today I was distracted by the stove, I am just so tickled to have it done. Even though it was not cold out today, cool, not cold, but I did want to start testing the waters to see how this would effect the building heat in general. So, I stoked it just a little this morning with junk pieces.
 The stove is kind of close to stuff and I wanted to get that cleaned up, so I swung the parts cabinet around. There is a white board, 4x5' I got from a company throwing it out over 15 years ago that I had behind that cabinet. It is too big for me to find any place to hang it, but I like white boards for working out ideas. It is of no use getting shuffled around, so I decided to take it apart and cut it down to a size I could hang and use. I am tired of moving it. While I was working I stuck a somewhat stale buttered roll in that little oven to try it out and it toasted up really nice. Dad would have gotten a kick out of that. The white board. took way too long and killed half the day but I got it hung and then hung the scrap piece up high where I have no idea what good it will do, but it is out of the way. Then I swept and vacuumed up the dust and junk that just seems to appear all the time and wound up with this.

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While I was working and watching the stove I happened to notice that the catalytic combustor finally kicked in and cleared the little window so I could see that lovely glow. It's been a long time.

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The photo doesn't show it well, but it was beautiful. I checked the chimney output and you could not even tell the stove was working, nothing visible coming out.
 I guess I got in the cleaning up and organizing mood a little bit because working and sitting near the stove was kind of nice. I went through a bunch of stuff and papers in the stuff I brought home from work when I left. Most of it was junk and past priorities that mean nothing now. Fire starters now. ;D I did a little cleaning upstairs but didn't make a dent. I sat and looked at that firdge my son brought over last week that is sitting on the bench and took a fair amount of time trying to find a less intrusive home for it, but could not come up with a good idea. I will think on it some more. I don't really like having it on the bench.

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 I really have to get that bench cleaned up in general, it's a mess, can't stand it. I think though that tomorrow I need to get outside and get back to work. More firewood yet, and I need to get going on the 'water tower'. I feel like I am running out of steam a little.
 Been watching the attic temps and today, even though the outside temp never hit 70, the attic hit 90. Of course the shop was at around 75  ;D. I have high hopes this will be a better winter int eh shop than past years.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 21incher on September 16, 2020, 09:58:03 PM
Looks nice but I  wanted  to share a issue that I  had with installing a woodstove  in the shop at my last house (Dutchess county) . To get a certificate  of compliance so my insurance  company  wouldn't drop me the stove needed to be 18 inches off the floor.  Apparently shop fumes stay low and the 18 inches was in the code to avoid  problems.  Not sure what code you're location  goes by but most insurance  companies  require a COC if you install a solid  fuel appliance and the inspection  doesn't  cost much to avoid future problems. They just need the UL listing tag and model number / serial number of the stove for the paperwork that the town files after they look at the installation then they provide copy for your insurance company.  From the picture  it looks  like yours is just  sitting on the floor but I can't tell for sure and am not sure if you did this already and your code is different.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 17, 2020, 06:27:23 AM
My stove sits about 12" off the floor. I have no fumes in my shop beyond common gastric issues. ;D Dutchess county is filled with panty waist bureaucrats looking for money any place they can squeeze it. They are over taxed and over regulated (and overrun with city folk).
 But your advice is sound and I will look into it. Since they have come out with the EPA stoves I don't know if they are permitting new installations to use the older stoves, regardless of efficiency.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 21incher on September 17, 2020, 09:57:06 AM
My stove sits about 12" off the floor. I have no fumes in my shop beyond common gastric issues. ;D Dutchess county is filled with panty waist bureaucrats looking for money any place they can squeeze it. They are over taxed and over regulated (and overrun with city folk).
 But your advice is sound and I will look into it. Since they have come out with the EPA stoves I don't know if they are permitting new installations to use the older stoves, regardless of efficiency.
Thanks.


That's why I  left there. After 911 the whole area changed.  It wasn't  the town that was the issue though.  It was my insurance company being  able to deny claims  because of changes to the underwritten insurance policy without proper paperwork. I had the same issue up here in Wayne county when I  installed  a woodstove.  Insurance required a certificate of compliance to keep my policy in effect. Insurance  companies are always  looking for a out.  Taxes up here in Wayne  county are even worse.  It's a good idea to run something  like a woodstove install through your insurance agent to be safe. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 17, 2020, 07:30:30 PM
Well this wasn't such a great day. Normal start, I got out in the shop and started a small fire in the stove just to see what the shop response time would be and to keep my coffee cup warm. I didn't fees it and let it go out by around noon. I did a little more cleaning up and putting away, then around 9 I opened the door and took the mule out to load up with some wood. Came back to close the door and it was stuck, so began 3 hours of misery. The cable came off the spool on one side. It should be well known that I hate garage doors. I messed with this, tore my hands up, skinned knuckles, took stuff apart and put it back together, finally got the door to close, and open again, and close. 3 wasted hours and it is still not really right. I know I am gonna have more trouble with it. Disgusted. I had lunch.
 After lunch I bucked up a few logs, split and over filled the mule and brought that over to the house pile. It was enough, I am calling it done, at just about 5 cord.

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I had one log left, so I bucked and split that and put it on the shop pile not there yet, but close enough. I am about a half cord (or less) short of the 5 cord goal for the shop but Brandon and I have a few cutting sessions scheduled in a few weeks and he needs my splitter. I also have slabs to cut and split and more coming when I get back to milling, so that half cord will happen without really trying. Calling it good for now.

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One thing I realized, you know how the mind drifts off when you are splitting?  Well more than once I found myself boxing the pith on a few pieces for no apparent reason at all.


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 So not a great day, hopefully tomorrow is a better one.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on September 17, 2020, 10:28:45 PM
Looks like you did fine. Some days are going to be better than others 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 18, 2020, 09:01:17 PM
Well today was better. I had it sort of in mind to do some cleaning up of dead falls out back, but during quiet hours I stoked a small fire int he shop stove and then it occurred to me I had that coffee pot, coffee, and bottled water in the shop and always wondered if that stove top would get hot enough to perk a pot, so I set it up, knowing it was just a small kindling fire in there and not likely to work, then I did a little more cleaning and putting away and finally decided I had enough of not having labels on the drawer set by the bench, so I figured I would take the time and finally do that. After a while I checked the pot, turned out there was not quite enough heat to do a full perk, but the water was coming up the stem and spilling over the coffee, good enough for me, it just took a bit longer. First pot in the shop. Kind of nice. Good coffee too!

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SO I labeled some more, then had some coffee. Then I set to making a home for the roll around cart, I love the thing as a portable job bench, but when not in use, it is in the way. So I removed some shelves under the bench and made a home for it, plus the lift. More floor space now.

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Then I finished labeling all the drawers and cleaned out 2 milk cartons worth of 'stuff' that have been sitting on the floor since January and put it all away. Had lunch around 2 and the boys were coming over for a few hours at 3. The wife is feeling poorly (just a cold, but she's plenty tired) and I didn't want the boys in the house and risk them getting sick, so I wanted to keep them in the shop and busy. I went back out and made a couple of bird house kits and was finishing the table saw work just as they showed up. No real time to plan or prep, so I used the 4/4 drops I had from a job. It was pine, but kind of thick for bird houses. SO they came in and we got started. I know these guys get real frustrated trying to drive nails, so I started all the nails for them and provided some lighter cabinet makers hammers for them. Lots of 'ting-ting-ting' going on for quite a while, but not one single bent over nail! They saw how I fixed the ones that went a little sideways and started fixing their own! I found that pretty neat. :)

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It took them a while to get good at it, but they stuck with it and eventually they were driving nails as fast as I could start them. Then they told me where to put the access hole and where the peg hole went, helped me glue it and drive it in.
 They were quick to remind me that 'when you are done with work, it's time to clean up, can we run the vacuum?' Yeah, sure. ;D SO they missed a lot, but they got a lot too, and I am behind in my cleaning up anyway.

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 They alternated turns with a dust broom and vacuum and it looked better than when they arrived, so I call that a win.
 We needed 'something different to do' I was informed and one of them found a plastic bag and thought it would be fun to make a parachute to throw off from the loft and let it drift down. But they quickly realized the bag kept turning the wrong way. So it was fun for me to help guide them through the 'design process' of problem solving. "well it needs a weight to hold the open end down". OK, lets tie a 1/2" nut on it. "No that's too much weight and it pulls to one side". OK, lets try a 5/8" washer and tie it to both handles on the bag. And on it went until they worked pretty good. They came up with the ideas, I just facilitated. once they dropped OK from the loft, they wanted to go outside and try dropping them from the deck, that degenerated into running around the yard, and then around the house with the bag trailing behind whilst I just sat in the yard supervising, because that is an important job too. ;D

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So once again, I didn't do the first thing I was gonna do today, but it was much better than yesterday. I feel like I got a little done even if I have little to show for it.
Tomorrow I head to my daughters place to help with their firewood for a day or two. I am in pretty good practice these days and they are behind so we should have a day of it and see what we can do.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 18, 2020, 09:37:27 PM
How about making hot air balloons next time.  Get some big bags (dry cleaner or those giant thin/crinkly garbage bags?) and experiment with a candle.  Maybe not outside if there is a fire risk.  You can just hold a bag over a fire (Sterno can) and let the bag go when it pulls.  Won't go high and they should be able to launch it a bunch of time.

Speaking of fire risk, last year during what would be considered a light fire risk time, a church thought it would be a good idea to launch some floating candle boats on the lake in the evening.  Previous years they launched paper hot air balloons that landed in peoples yards.  Fortunately, the wind was blowing toward shore so the risk was minimized.  Kinda wonder what some people are thinking.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 18, 2020, 10:02:04 PM
Yeah, I might try that one in the shop. We were just getting into flow dynamics theory with the vacuum output hose (balancing a ball) when they got hooked on the bag thing so we went with that. You can only keep a science lesson going so long with 5 year olds before it jumps off the rails. Small steps a little at a time.
 Don't get me going on those paper candle lanterns, they look neat, when used right, with NO breeze, at night, and just a thermal lift. BUT most folks just can't wait for the right conditions. One of the music festivals I work at they are a real safety issue, folks setting them off and they come down on a tent 100' away (because: WIND). Not good at all. 6,000 folks camped in close quarters and the last thing we need is fire in a tent with sleeping people inside. So we banned them and politely asked local stores to stop selling them during the festival week. There is also the issue of the remnants winding up in someones yard. It is litter after all. Living in fully wooded country, I am surprised we don't get more fires from them.
 What I should have done with the boys is try out the vacuum output under their bags. Never tried that I might play by myself in the shop one afternoon. ;D (OH wait, I do that every day, never mind.)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 18, 2020, 10:18:22 PM
OGH,

   We had a power outage a few years back and I had Becky cook up a pot of beans or stew or such on our big wood heater downstairs. She seemed surprised you could cook on it. I was surprised she was surprised.

   I spent the day helping my son. He had bought an 8X10 shed from someone and wanted to jack it up and load it on his 14' dual axle trailer. He needed a bunch of cribbing and some long planks. Guess who has a sawmill and sells crib blocks and assorted sizes of lumber, including some 15' long ash 2X12's? Yep - call good old Dad! I loaded up last night which including having to restack the top 1/4 of a big stack of my ash lumber. I drove up and unloaded because my wife needed my truck today for a Dr appointment while her truck is in in the shop. We spent most of the day jacking up the building a few inches at a time, lowering on to the trailer, strapping it down, transporting then reversing the process. When finished we had the shed in place and sitting on 4 cinderblooks. He will use it to store his wood pellets for his pellet stove which is his primary heat source. The timing was right so I called a customer coming to pick up his 1865 bf lumber order and driving right passed my son's house so I rode home with him, we loaded and saved some time and mileage and everybody left happy. I love it when a plan comes together. We were nearly finished before my world famous guard guard dog Sampson woke up from his nap inside the house, heard us and woke up my wife to see what was going on. :D

   My son moved an old BBQ grill to place the shed and I still don't know how he did not get stung because there was a very active yellowjacket nest in a hole in the ground under it. They were everywhere when I spotted them but we lucked out and killed them without getting hurt.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 19, 2020, 06:13:07 AM
Yeah, wood stoves are great for warming stews and things like that, but boiling water I don't believe I have ever tried. Our insert stove in the house barely has enough exposed top to put an old camp coffee pot of for water to evaporate. It is not a normal stove and has too many baffles and cover to be much good for cooking.  This one worked well well a small fire. Temp control is always a little tricky. Now I need another pot with just hot water to wash the pot, maybe a steel jug just to keep water hot, then I can wash my hands too! ;D

 Sounds like you had a tightly planned and scheduled day that worked out just perfect. The yellow jackets can be annoying but they never really bothered me like hornets do. I have walked through more than a few ground nests without incident. Glad everything went smoothly for you, that has to feel good. 
 Hopefully today we can get a boatload of wood done. My daughter tells me they have most of it bucked up so that would mean we can go like mad getting it split and stacked. Just in case I will throw some saws and stuff in the truck. My duaghter is just 2 miles through the woods from NYBHH, so I may swing by to see how his shu sugi ban siding is coming out. I saw photos, it looks super!
 Time to get this day started......after another cup of coffee.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 19, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
Long day. No photos, no time. Got to my daughter's at 9:30 and got right to work with the SIL while my daughter was at work. They had a couple of very large trees down, all maple and very stringy, we had to fight every blessed piece apart it seemed, some up to 28" diameter. They had rented a splitter for the weekend because they didn't want to 'bother me'. >:( the rental was not quite up to my standards and I had to do a lot more reaching and bending, plus it was underpowered, but did split everything we put on it. Seemed to me the engine never really ran at full speed. Anyway, we worked straight through until 4:30 when we ran out of wood. ;D then we rested a bit and I "may" have fallen asleep in the chair on their deck in the sun for 30 minutes or so. I was really pooped out. Then they may some REALLY good rib eye steaks, so I had to stay and have some, it would be rude to do otherwise. ;D As we did a final walk around before I left we found a 30" diameter ash chunk from last year that they had left because it was too long. My SIL's Stihl is too small to get through that so I fired up my 372 and had at it, but when I was nearly through we got a spark show. I managed to part it in half, but I think I have a lot of filing ahead of me. The one drawback of a 28" bar is the number of teeth. I will also admit that when I grabbed the saw to cut that last chunk it seemed awfully heavy which has never happened before. 
 I got home at a little after 5 and layed on the couch for just a little bit resting my eyes. I think I will be in bed on time tonight. I am tired, but I think we split them up over 2 cord.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 20, 2020, 08:42:03 PM
Strange day. Slept past 7 after staying up past 11 last night when I got sucked into the new star wars movie I had not seen. Given yesterday's hard labor I was kind of slow getting going today, but I got out to the shop and it was cool. No heat yesterday while I was away and cool over night. Figured I would start a fire and see how long it took to get the shop up to temp. SO I got that going, made up the coffee pot and stuck that on. I had planned on sharpening the chain up of the big saw, but I had to unload the truck first. When I opened the garage door to unload the truck parked out side the dang garage door went nuts again. Stuck at 3/4 mast. After I emptied the truck I resolved to fix this once and for all. I am tired of messing with it.
So went the next 3 hours as I tweaked, adjusted, observed, thought, cussed and stepped up and down off the worked step a thousand times. This time though I looked at each and every binding point and figured out why. I eliminated several, only to find more or new issues I created. I FINALLY figured out it came down to two things. 1) the torsion spring did not have enough lateral running room to change length as it went from de-tensioned to tensioned, it was 'solid heighting out'. and B) The sliding bearings on the spring shaft needed oil. Once I figure that out and aligned, tensioned, oiled, and set everything it worked like a dream. The door goes up and down as if it weighed 5 pounds. I don't even need the 'hold nail' I have been using for 2 years to keep it at full height (the Mule will catch it if it is even a 1/2" low from the door frame. Life is good now. It was 2pm by the time I got it done.
Enjoyed my second pot of coffee all throughout this humiliating experience. Every time I got really frustrated I had another cup and thought about my dilemma. Because I had started the stove and was trying to get the temp up in the shop, this time the stove top got hot enough to do a proper perk and I happened by just as it was starting so I could time it out and make a very tasty pot. Nothing better than a good pot of coffee while you are trying to solve a problem.
Hard to believe this thing (the door) had me nearly whipped.

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By the time I got that done and as late as it was I decided to piddle in the shop. I cleaned up some more tools that had been collecting on a lathe bed for 20 years and am really starting to enjoy having that one drawer set labeled. (Man I have a LOT of allen keys!) Easy to find stuff now and put stuff with other stuff just like it.

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I used the white board I sized and hug the other day to work out what I will use and how I will make that little water tower. Easier than a sketch on paper I will likely lose. A good way to think it through and make changes as they occur to me.

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I grabbed an old camp pot and a wash basin to throw on the stove to warm some water and see how that worked. It would be nice to have some warm water to wash my hands off without going in the house. Worked pretty good, in fact, I set them up on some spacers to keep them from getting too hot. It's part of a habit I got from being a young Scout "never start a fire without a purpose and always stick a pot over it, even if it is just hot water which has very many uses."

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I think I am going to try to bank a fire tonight and keep the shop temp up overnight. We have a frost warning tonight and I figure it is a beginning test to get used to the stove adjustments again. Stoves are like 'partners', it takes a while to figure them out and what makes them happy. I sure don't get tired of seeing that combustor glow, it means it's happy and the flue is clean.

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I never did get to sharpen that saw today. :D I did make some observations about the shop and attic temps. By 11am, the attic was up just over 80 even though it was about 62 outside. The shop floor was 65 and the loft area was 68. I'll just keep watching this until I decide how I can best use that attic heat. It was partly cloudy today.
Tomorrow is another day, let's see where that goes.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 20, 2020, 09:33:00 PM
Oh now don't be saying that frost word,  I am in no way ready for that stuff.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 20, 2020, 09:42:13 PM
Oh now don't be saying that frost word,  I am in no way ready for that stuff.
Well the boys up north got it in the last 2 nights, now might be our turn. I was jawing with a gal who has a farm stand and garden operation this evening and she told me they had a hard freeze last night just 30 miles to our northwest last night, everything was white, probably right in Bargemonkey's front yard. ;D So we are due. Hope the tomatoes make it through the night for picking tomorrow. The wife wants to hold off until the grandson's are here to help her tomorrow, not that she needs it, but they enjoy the picking part so much. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 23, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Been an off week for me. I am distracted (more at the bottom). Monday we had the boys all day, so I set up for them to paint their birdhouses in the shop. It was like turning monkeys loose in a paint store. But we got through it. ;D
 I managed to do some stuff in the shop while they were 'at school' (online) in the morning, mostly routine chores that I have already forgotten. Then we hooked up with their Dad and took them all out for his birthday. Yesterday we got and early morning call that he was sick, from what we can figure, it is vertigo, his first bout. We took the boys here for the day so he could sleep a bit and work it out. There was an internet outage that covered our entire area for most of the day, so there was no 'school' either. That pretty much killed my day, but I did manage to get some stuff done. I got out in the shop early and threw the big saw up on the bench to repair the chain damage from Saturday. Turned out there was very little, so I got that sharpened and as long as I had the stuff out, I did the small saw too, and the Ryobi battery saw the neighbor had gifted to me (man that chain was a mess with huge flank and top plate wear). Then I took the 18" bar off the 450 and put the 20" back on that had an issue a few weeks ago. I had fixed that last week so put it back on and sharpened that chain too.
 
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 I have a mess of odd chains that have been hanging on the wall for decades. I have no idea where they came from. I sorted through them and found 2 that would fit the 20" bar. I started to sharpen them, but then realized they are so far gone it wasn't really worth it. By the time I filed out the damage, there would be almost no teeth left. SO I hung them back up, in case of emergency, I could salvage something out of them. In the process of looking this stuff over I found this bar and chain. It appears to be old Oregon stock in very good shape, but the chain is very weird:
 
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It has a nice roller nose and is only about a 12" bar. None of the common markings used today (gage, pitch, etc). Looks like 3/8, .058 gage. Look at these teeth:
 
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Now I can see it has been somewhat butchered in the resharp process, but still the way these teeth are made seems quick strange to me. Anybody know what this is?
 
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I also repaired the bench vise my son removed from my work bench 20 years ago. Somehow he had lost the locking bolt and t-nut for the swivel base so I had to make up a new one. Then I painted and mounted it and cleaned up the jaw faces. It's good to have a proper vise back on the bench. The second half of the day yesterday I tried to get the boys interested in building something and pulled some lumber off the pile to make that water tank stand, or at least get it started. By the time their Mom came to pick them up at 6, I had this done.
 
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Now I just need to figure out where to put the pump shelf, paint it, set some blocks for the base (I need blocks, I am out), and set it up. Just in time to winterize it. ;D I may mess around with this some more today.

 I mentioned I am distracted. Some may recall a few years ago I was teaching some technical classes at night. For whatever their reasons, the college decided they could do better without me and have one of their own instructors teach the class. I believe it was because they wanted me to tech the class in their classrooms with no tools or equipment and no hands on portion of the class. I explained this was useless. If the students did not actually apply the simple fundamental concepts I was teaching they had little chance of grasping the most important parts. The shops that were supporting the class agreed, as did the students. The college had bigger ideas. So for a year and a half I heard nothing from them and assumed we were done. They did contact me about doing a class, but then I saw it in their catalog and they had somebody else teach it. Yup, we're done, I figured. It's just as well, glad to leave that all behind me.
 A month ago I get a letter from the young fella that taught the introductory blueprint reading and shop math class (the pre-requisite for my classes). He had completely forgotten that I had audited his full class and we discussed content and teaching approaches at length, about 2 years ago. In his note, he asked if I could help him 'set up a class and perhaps be his assistant instructor' for the spring. I sent him back a note and reminded him that the material is complex and requires hands on work. I pointed out a few other things too just to give him an idea of how hard this would be for him to teach it when he had no hands on field experience himself. I did not say that directly. I left the door open for further discussion and invited him to call me to talk. I never got a reply......until Friday (a full month later).
 Now he wants to know if I would teach a class with him as my assistant and possibly become and adjunct instructor with the college. Sounds good right? Well I consulted with my guru who got me into all this in the first place. He owns the company where I was holding the classes and is very involved in creating learning and apprenticeship programs to support both his own company and the other local manufacturing shops. He sees in this email what I see. They want me to teach the class so that this other instructor can take notes, record it, then just do it himself. I believe what happened was that after my last email he went and read the text book and looked at all the teaching materials to try and figure out how to do this class. He is a smart guy, but trying to learn from a book what took me 30 years to understand and apply is no small task. I think he may realize that now. So I am trying to decide what I want to do.
 I shared this email with my guru and asked what he thought. He agrees they are just going to use me until they don't need me. He also knows they really can't teach the material like I do and that they will not be able to field questions from folks who take the class and are actually working in the field with it. Knowing all that he asked if I would still consider teaching the class. He will be sending students to it and needs them to understand these concepts well. He wants me to stay involved in sharing my knowledge, even without the college, possibly working as a coach with his apprentices or in some other form.
 The thing is, I already made my peace with the industry and put it behind me. I was happy to let it go and move on. However, the harsh reality of a minimum fixed income is rearing it's ugly head these days and the money would be really helpful. Now I hate myself for selling out and going back to work in an industry that nearly killed me, just for the cash. I do like helping the kids and adults get a leg up on new and important knowledge, it gives me a kick. But dealing with the bureaucracy of the academic world is something I have little patience for. These folks walk around in their own reality much of the time and have little idea of the working world. It makes it hard to relate. They make decisions based on grants and funding and budgets, not based on what the students need to make a living. They spend a ton of money on buildings and software and bells and whistles and internet and multi-media centers, but have no tools in the classroom for students to work with.
 I am trying to figure which way I want to go with this and I am really distracted by it.
 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on September 23, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
OGH,

   If the teaching work is something you really enjoy I'd suggest you talk to the school and let them know you would like to teach some classes but lay out your terms that you can live with and feel would help the students while still being fair to the university. Even if your don't work for them you might offer to tutor the students and still be involved. I would not be interested in the assistant position where you do all the work and the other guy gets the credit - but thatis just me.

  My wife was wavering on taking her retirement as soon as she was eligible and a rep from a local college she knew saw here and talked and told her at a band performance, where her HS band did real well, that if she did retire they wanted her. That was enough to push her over the edge and she gave her notice a month later. Once at the college as an adjunct professor directing their school band (which was also a community band) and enjoying that she asked the college if she could teach photography too as she is a free lance photographer and had opened the HS program a few years before. They told her how many students she'd have to have sign up and what they'd pay and that worked out well for both the school and her. One professor was teaching a photoshop class and sent the school an e-mail at 3:00 a.m. quitting the first day of class so they asked her if she could do it and she taught it and saved the semester for them. They were getting along well till the school folded and was bought out by others who had her classes covered at their other campuses.

  Bottom line is, ask and suggest. They can't eat you! You may find common ground Good luck.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on September 23, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
If you can do it on terms acceptable to you and on a schedule you dictate then I think you should try it. If your guru is sending students and will support you all the better. Do I think you should go back full time,  nope....(unless the pay is stupid good  ;)).  I hope to retire some day as well. I think you could help some folks feed families and have a skill set they otherwise wouldn't have and that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: RAYAR on September 25, 2020, 01:11:51 AM
That weird chain appears to be one that the saw has a sharpening stone mounted on a plunger that you press it against a spinning chain to sharpen it. That's why the angled teeth with the flat cutting edge.

This image has the set-up on a lever.

Pull lever, chain sharpens. Bingo!

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Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 25, 2020, 07:59:40 AM
Yeah, beenthere thought the same thing and I am beginning to come around to this idea. If that is the case, it will just hang on the wall for a long time, I have no interest. I seem to remember being told it came off of a pole trimmer, which explains the short bar. No way would I waste time on a gimmick sharpener.
 
The last 2 days or so I have been lazy and just doing a few chores. I decided yesterday I would get that water tank going so that I can get that all cleaned up before it gets cold. I needed to take a full barrel out of the way, so I started a siphon to drain most of it while I looked at the ground prep I needed to do and make a plan. I then got a text from a friend who was cutting white oak about 2 miles from me and asked what I wanted. SO I dropped what I was doing, hitched up the trailer, grabbed a few tools and headed over. They are doing a new septic field for a large nice house with a brand new black top driveway, the landowner is 'fussy' and doesn't want anybody driving off the driveway edge, lest it break. So I hung out and chatted with the guys and helped feed brush into the chipper until they were ready for me. I picked out 5 smallish logs and they loaded me. It was so close to home that I only threw one chain on it, just to look good. Got home, unloaded and decided I needed to fix up the log pile, so I set up to parbuckle the logs up. I haven't used the Mule much lately and the battery was not fully charged. I killed it with all the winching, flat dead, right in the middle of a lift.

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So I ran an extension out and put the charger on it, also tried using the booster box but after another log, I drained that too. I alternated between charging sessions and winching until I got it done. I pulled a few of the logs higher up in addition to the new ones, but the operation took longer than I thought and killed a good part of the day. My legs were also pretty shot from 'helping' the winch get the logs up. I pulled it back in the shop and put everything on chargers.

 It was 3:30 or so by that time, so I went back to the original task, moved the barrel out of the way and started digging and leveled the selected spot. Then I hauled in a wheel barrow or 2 of crushed stone to level it off and keep the weeds from growing up in it.


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Now I have to go pick up some 4" block to set it on, cut off the downspout, paint the stand, paint the tank and frame, set it, hump the tank up on top, plumb the feed pipe, mount the pump and plumb that and I am done. ;D We MAY have rain by Tuesday, so I would like to see if I can at least get the tank in place by then to collect water with the single downspout. Really I just need to get this together to clean up the piles of mess it has generated, the tank is in the way, the stand is in the shop, parts all over as I think through the connections. I hate a mess.
 Around 7pm my neighbor called (the one who is moving) and asked if I had a use for a couple of new bags of sackrete? Sure, bring it on. He came up with the 2 bags, plus two 50#bags of potting soil, 25# of weed and feed, a 4' 2 man whipsaw I had admired in his garage, the bassinet we had loaned them for their newborn, a tub of wood putty (the only thing I ever borrowed from him (twice) and he thought I should have it), and a large dinner plate filled with 4 different types of cakes and pies leftover from his wife's birthday party. We shot the breeze over a beer until after 9. I am going to miss those folks.
 Time to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 26, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
Well last night I spent over an hour writing a detailed post here, but then my thumb hit the 'back' button on my mouse and it was all gone. I didn't have the heart to start over. But I already had the photos in the gallery so I have to use them. Here is the cliff notes version of the lost post.
 I tried out a paint sprayer my wife bought 2 years ago and we never used. I thought the water tank stand was a good candidate.

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 That cheap little sprayer worked pretty well so I painted the new logs I got the day before. I will be trying this out with the solubor when it arrives.
 I got some blocks and fittings from HD and set and leveled those. Moving that stand (about 250#) was tricky alone, but I got it in and set.

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 Getting the tank on top, alone with no equipment was the tough part. It was stupid to do, but after 3 tries and some heavy grunting I managed to get under it and just before it rolled over me I got it to flip up. I wonder what that weighs empty with the skid and cage? I should have called and waited for help, but what the heck?
 I did a lousy job with the feed plumbing, nothing is straight or correct. I was tired and getting sloppy and don't like ladder work. It showed. I have a new plan and will do it over when I get back at it, but if it rain now, it will take water. I pumped about 100 gallons in to give it some weight and empty those 50 gallon barrels that are cluttering things up. This is how it ended up.


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 So I still have to redo the feed pipes (and install the one to the other side of the shop) then plumb in and mount the pump (underneath) and figure out the way I want it all dressed up. Hopefully it will be done in time to drain and winterize. ;D
 Today we are going to a street festival my wife usually has a booth at, but took a pass this year. She wants me to get a booth there next year, but I dunno. We will go check it out, but the advertising for it has been nil and I am really wondering if they are even having it. They have my wife listed on the web page as a vendor and she never put in an application this year. It is a nice day for a drive out to Margaretville though, but the tourist traffic makes me nuts. Leaf peeping season is approaching.
 Maybe I can get something done this afternoon and salvage the day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 26, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
Well, we made the hour drive out to Margaretville mid-morning and it was a nice day for a drive. We didn't spend a penny (except gas) and we didn't see anything either.....because apparently it was cancelled, even though their website has today's date  and no mention of any cancellation, I was a might miffed. SO my wife wnet in a quilt shop there while I caught up on reading here, then we headed home. I stopped and looked at a clearing job my friend is doing to see what trees he has there. a couple of millable poplars, one nice cherry and some other odds and ends. I'll have to see if I can hook up with him. I know he wants me to mill the cherry for him, but the other stuff I think, is up for grabs.
 Then we got home and had lunch, I went back to work on the water tank. I re-plumbed the water inlet, it looks much better now.

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Then I got to work on the tank to pump line and figured something out for that. I ran out of the right fittings to make a manifold outlet, but that is easy to add later. I hooked up the air and tired it, it works fine, but I think I need to add a filter before it is all done. For now, it functions and there are no leaks or drips.
 
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I still have to connect the gutter on the other side of the shop, but I may let that wait until spring. I want to see how much it takes to fill this tank, rain-wise. There is about 600 sq. ft. of roof filling that tank.
 Anyway, time to wash up and take the wife to the diner, she doesn't feel like cooking and I don't either.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 26, 2020, 09:35:39 PM
There is about 600 sq. ft. of roof filling that tank.
If my math is right, that 330 gallon tank should fill with less than 1" of rainfall.

 Soooo, I went a little overboard on my aquaponics tanks a couple years ago.  Every time I found a free IBC, I would grab it.  I have about 400 to 600 sq-ft of roof?  Its odd shaped stuff and only a tiny fraction of my roof (4,000 sq-ft of roofing).  Anyhow, I have two 330 gallon and five 275s.  I have them stacked two high and plumbed so that when one fills, it overflows to the next lower one (on a slight slope) with the last one overflowing.  So 2,035 gallons of storage, or, roughly, 270 cu-ft.  If I take 270 cu-ft and divide that by 400 sq-ft, it would take 8" of rain to fill them all.  In a normal wet season, we get 15-20" of rain - so I fill up pretty quick in the season.  I put that much in so I would not have to use tap water to top off my system.  Since my system has been down, I use it to top off my pool in the summer.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: thecfarm on September 27, 2020, 05:41:40 AM
Looks good. I suppose you put a screen in on that pipe? There was a member that put in quite a system, seem like 3-4 1000 gallons tanks. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 27, 2020, 11:17:52 AM
That is @EOTE (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=44084)  who has not been around for several months. I hope he comes back, I miss him. His system supplied all his household and farm needs. My system is just a small supplement and not potable water. Should the need prove out I might add a second tank, but that will be it. I have to look at the requirements and usage rates, as well as the supply rates. 
 I did not add a screen on the inlet yet, but I have room, just need a piece of material. I did try using a terry towel for a filter, but it clogged tight enough that it overflowed. I need something a little more 'open'. I have a whole house filter I can use on the output side if needed. Somehow I got some grass in there that clogged the hose nozzle. Not sure how that happened, probably when I pumped out the 55 gallon barrels, they had junk on the bottom.
 One other thing I just realized is that I did not account for overflow, which was in my plans, but slipped my mind when cutting and gluing time came. >:( Easy to add, but I need a few more fittings, then I have to figure out where to land the runoff. I will just add a stand piper that spills just before the tank overflows. I did not glue the lower input pipes, just put in sheet metal screws so that I could pull them out and redirect that pipe to just dump on the ground during the winterized months.
 I did do a collection test last month within 20 minutes of putting the gutters up. We got a heck of a storm cell come through and I stuck a 53 gallon barrel under each gutter. They filled in less that 10 minutes (most of the water overshot the collection funnel, otherwise I think they would have filled in 5). True, the rainfall rate was just under 2"/hour, but still.. ;D
 This has been a very dry summer for us, next year might be different. We will see how it goes.

 I may take today 'off'. I had a cough thing start last night and for some reason I slept until 10am this morning, that's 11 hours. That never happens unless I am out partying until 3am (which has not happened in a long time). So something is going on, for sure. I was supposed to go fishing with the Grandson's today, but the last thing I want to do is share this 'thing' around until at least I know what it might be. Probably just a run-down cold, but there is always more sinister stuff out there. :-\ :-\
 Let's just see how the day goes.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Resonator on September 27, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
Watched a youtube video recently of a rainwater collection tank for an off grid build, learned couple things might be useful. The system used a suspended floating inlet supply hose for the pump from the center of the tank to avoid clogging. The thinking being debris would either float at the top, or sink to the bottom, and not be in the middle. Also noted unchlorinated water in a clear tank can become a "science experiment", so your using a dark colored tank is a good idea. They also painted the PVC pipe so it wouldn't break down in UV light, and used a cable suspended counterweight/float setup to gauge the water level.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 27, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
All good and useful ideas, thanks!
 I had planned to paint the tank just to make it look a little nicer, but the spray paint I had for plastics turned out to bed too old and the cans were dead, even though full. >:( Time being important I skipped it for doing at a later date (spring?) and moved on. Painting is still on my list, but at a later date is all. The tank is dark because it's previous life was shipment and storage of black highway paint. The paint is long gone, but there is still a little residue of dried black paint flecks working their way out, so I am running unfiltered for now to get those cleaned out. In the meantime I will be finding the material and fashioning an input screen to keep larger junk, bugs, and critters out. I figure, or am hoping, that eventually I will have a clean system if I am creful and plan well enough. Let's see if I am fooling myself. ;D
 I was looking for a piece of 2" clear pvc pipe to use for a sight gauge but the stuff is too pricey for me. I might try the local surplus shop just in case, otherwise I may live without it. That float idea sounds like something I could look into and do with spare junk, just have a balanced weight hanging off the outside. I am not too concerned about keeping exact tabs on it, just a general idea of how it is doing. I will search my junk boxes for hardware to make that.
 The 'science experiment' aspect has been on my mind for the long running operational periods next season. My initial thoughts were just adding a few drops of bleach now and then and learn as I go. If it stays full up for most of the time, then the actual surface area is low and it should be a minimal issue. But likely I will have to deal with it. For now I will observe and learn as I go.
 I have never messed with anything like this so it is a much a fun game for me as it is functional and useful. Learning as I go, so your additions are most helpful. 
 It seems like no matter how old you get, guys like playing with dirt, water, wood, power tools, engines, and all sorts of other 'stuff'. I am just an old kid playing with water right now. :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 28, 2020, 08:29:01 AM
Man, I didn't do a dang thing yesterday, just sat around, read the FF, and wasted the day. Didn't even pull my boots on until 4pm. No motivation at all. Used to be for decades, I learned to force myself to work because I had to make a living, which of course usually made things worse. Now I am trying a new tactic because I can. If I don't feel good, I am taking it easy. Maybe because of this virus thing I am more cautious and I think that is the right thing to do. I have no reason to be sick and can't help but wonder what is going on with me. We were supposed to watch the boys here today, but given my 'iffy' state, my wife is going to their place to watch them and I will stay away. I don't want to run the slightest risk of sharing something (until I know what it is  ;D). Feeling slightly less tired this morning after 8 hours sleep, but why run the risk, any risk?
 We did get .25" of rain overnight and I just came in from checking my tanks. The new tank took on about 100 gallons of water and the 55 gallon tank is overfilled. So 3/4 inch of rain should fill the tank (330gal). I don't know if I need to connect the gutter from the other side of the shop to keep this tank in the working range unless I decide next year to do a second tank. Right now I don't see the need.
 Looks like your calculations were spot on
@ljohnsaw (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20640) ! Not sure how you figured that, but thanks. I started out with just under 100 gallons I pumped in there, now just under 200, it should be full before the big rain they are predicting overnight Tuesday. Guess I have to get working on the overflow system before then.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 29, 2020, 09:18:32 AM
As promised I took it easy yesterday but had to get something done. Sitting around isn't for me. I ran to HD and got a few more fittings and added the overflow and sight gauge on the tank after the rain tapered off late morning. There is some tank spigot sag as it fills, so the overflow came out crooked. I will add a brace later when I find where I put my pipe clamps.

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I used some re-purposed 1/2" clear tubing for the sight gauge and it is functional.


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SO it all works. I stuck another barrel under the overflow just to see how/if it will work. In theory I could hard plumb in two barrels and hold another 100 gallons or so, but I would need to add some valving to be able to suck that back into the system or I can use the 12v pump to just pump it back into the tank when it gets low. That will all decide itself next spring when I see what the usage requirements really are.
 I don't know why but I shot a short video of how it is put together and works. Maybe just for my notes and thinking over the winter.
Water collection system, quick and dirty - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8m1VP20obk)
Today is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 29, 2020, 10:57:13 PM
Nice.  So did you put an air gap at the top of your overflow?  If you don't, there is the risk it will siphon all the water out of the big tank!  You could just drill a little hole but I used a T with another few inches of pipe sticking up.  Your extra tanks could also be at the same height as the main tank (or slightly below).  OR all your tanks could be plumbed together through the outlet valves.  They could be stacked (your tank is not in the right cage) and you could manually open valves and let the lower tanks fill from the upper tanks and then shut the valve.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 29, 2020, 11:32:02 PM
I did not think of the air gap/siphon break but we are going to find out in the morning.  ;D It started raining a couple of hours ago and we've had over a half inch so far. I just checked it and the overflow barrel was full, so I assume the tank is topped off. But the overflow tank was not quite overflowing itself. Probably I happened out there just as it hit full. based on the amount of rainfall, and the fill rate of the tank, it seems about right, timing wise. It is raining hard enough and is late enough that I will wait until daylight. Because the rain trickles in and never really fills that 'J' at the top of the overflow I am not sure if it can create a siphon, BUT I am not going to bet any cash on that. Now it is raining pretty hard and when I was out there in the dark it seemed like there was a lot of water on the ground, so that made me wonder a bit. I checked the stability of the ground supporting the tank, that was my concern, and it is all good, no settling I could see. That's a lot of weight on 4 points.
 I will check it in the morning in greater detail and probably pop a vent in the top of the overflow at some point, but the way I have it plumbed I can shut the valve on the main tank and suck water out of the overflow system, so I need to be able to close that vent to do that.
Tomorrow is another day and that will tell the tale. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 30, 2020, 07:29:25 AM
Morning report. I got out there before first light, just put on my heavier boots a jacket and headlamp. It rained like a horse wetting a flat rock last night!


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That clip above shows the rainfall and rate of fall between midnight and 7am. Add to that the .91" we got yesterday between the evening and midnight and we have a total of exactly 2", so a good test platform for this tank. (Green line is the rate, and blue line is the accumulation.)
 
@ljohnsaw (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20640) you had me going with the vent question. Since the overflow is 1-1/2" pipe and the tank level raises until the level is high enough to run over the top, so the likelihood of the water 'filling the pipe' I felt was low and it would need to do that to create a seal and start a siphon. That was my thinking anyway. But when the skies opened up at 3:30am and it was coming at nearly an inch an hour rate, I thought there might be an issue because the overflow tank was WAY full, the outlet was under water, and the inflow MIGHT just get the pipe full. So I laid there awake trying to parse out the physics in my groggy state. ;D I finally rolled over and figured it would make sense after coffee in a couple of hours. :D
 So I checked it out at 6:30. The tank was full, the overflow tank was full, and everything was stable. Guess I got lucky. I pulled in another barrel and siphoned off half of the 1st overflow tank into it. The rain is quickly tapering off and I see the system on radar is moving out fast to the NE, so I don't know if I will get enough to refill that 1st barrel, but this is just a test for now. It's water that would otherwise hit the ground.
 A cold front came through with this rain and the temp dropped 10° in a hour last night and is at 55 right now. Expecting a cooler trend in the coming week. My son is doing truck work in the shop today, I think, so I started a small fire to take the dampness off and prep for him opening that door and letting all that fresh wet air in. It was 65 when I lit the stove, so no pressure to warm it up, just keep it dry.
 Time to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 30, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
The tank was full, the overflow tank was full, and everything was stable. Guess I got lucky.
Great to hear!  Amazing how fast you can fill one of those tanks, isn't it?  I cheaped out on my tank set up.  I interconnected all my tanks with 3/4" (so the probability of siphoning is high) and I made the overflows about 6" from the top of tank.  That way there is a buffer from start of spilling to the next tank to max level.  We seldom get gully washers here.  Maybe a 2 or 3 that last a minute so I think the buffer helps to alleviate the potential for overflow.

Speaking of laying awake, fearing the worst...  At my cabin project, my well pump is like the old windmill type - a push (actually a pull) rod to a foot pump at the bottom of the well operated by a solar-powered motor.  Anyhow, it was doing something weird for a while - pumping along it would make a strange sound like it missed a beat/clunk.  Well, using it on Monday to fill a jug it made that sound one last time and then ran fast pulling no water.  I had milling to do so I would look at it later.  That night I dreamed up the worst - the fiberglass sucker rod snapped and it fell down the well!  I pulled it apart in the morning and found the top threaded rod to the crankshaft had unscrewed.  When that happens, it drops about 1 inch to a stop.  Whew!  Five minute fix.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 30, 2020, 12:38:06 PM
Well accidents happen and sometimes things work out fine. :D I wasn't fearing the worst, which would have been if the ground settled or got washed out under the stand feet and it fell over. I just didn't want to waste the water because I did something dumb. As with your foot valve, all the worry was for naught. Man I wish I could dig a shallow well here for a yard pump, but I would need a blasting permit. 2 inches down is broken shale, 1 foot down is clay and 2-3' down is shelf.
 Cooler today and I am working on getting my lumber sprayed with solubor, a new adventure is frustration.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: samandothers on September 30, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Those are the happy results to the unexpected issues!  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on September 30, 2020, 12:43:07 PM
Man I wish I could dig a shallow well here for a yard pump,
Yeah, my well is shallow for the area at 148' @60 gpm.  Although, I think it is more iron than water :-\ The others are over 600' to get 5 gpm.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 01, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Well yesterday after messing with the tank in the morning I started a small fire in the shop stove to dry things out and make coffee. Then I set about trying this solubor spraying thing to reduce damage extent on my milled pine. (see the 'spraying boron thread'). That just turned into a lot of labor pulling the whole stack apart and spraying 3 sides, then flipping each row as I restacked and spraying the backside.
 I had clogging problems with the pump sprayer and some undissolved crystals, so on my second gallon I tried using the electric Wagner sprayer. That moved a lot more product a LOT faster with a more uniform coating but the little cup also emptied very quickly. Near the end of that gallon I was also getting a little clogging issue. Don suggested using a paint filter, so I ordered those this morning, along with a kitchen scale so I don't have to borrow the wife's. ;D SO the pile is all back together.

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 I moved 4 2x10's into the shop for a winter project, no bug damage on those yet. I think they were too dry when the beetles arrived. I put 2 of those boards in the attic to see what they would do and left 2 upstairs for the same reason. I will start comparing in a week or so. Yesterday it was mid 50's outside but 80° in the attic with 45% humidity. We will see what happens.
 Then I cleaned up all the messes I made through the day and put it all away.
 By that time it was late afternoon, so I climbed up on the water tank and finally put on a critter screen to catch debris and chipmunks.

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 I did a bunch of reading on borate and borax wood treatments trying to get up to speed and figure out how to do this on an ongoing basis without driving costs up too much. All these extra things keep adding time and money. It's a lot to get a handle on at times.
 Today is another day and I have no idea where to start. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 02, 2020, 07:34:04 PM
Well, slow start given the snotty weather. I started a small fire in the shop to keep it drying and make my second pot of coffee. I cleaned out some tool boxes and bags that have been bothering me while I figured out what I was going to do and eventually decided to do a test run with those hallow cookies. SO I grabbed the worst one out of the attic and traced a circle on the back to rout out a spot for the mirror to sit. I tried to rout it out working to the line but that proved to be problematic (problem being I couldn't see the line with the router running)  and knew I would have to make a template, so I grabbed some plywood, did the math and layed out the hole, made a compass to draw the circle, drilled a start hole, found the jig saw, cut it out, sanded the cut to smooth it off and layed it on the cookie. Then I re-did my math, got another piece of plywood and made another compass, drilled a start hole and this time cut one out with allowance for the router base. ;D Anything worth doing right is worth doing twice, right? :D
 Then I clamped it up and routed it out. Long time since I used a router, I needed to re-train my hands. I wasn't looking for a slip fit and this worked out just fine.


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 I didn't put a huge amount of work into this one because the bark fell off in a few places and it is thin. I was just trying to figure out the process and how it would look. I sanded the front until it cleaned up and put a coat of tung oil on it to get an idea of appearance. I haven't figured out the mirror retainer system. Something better than glaziers points I think are in order here. There rays show up pretty nice in this RO.


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Here's the general idea of how this will look.

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The hole through the middle is natural. Not sure how I am going to finish that. On this one I will likely chip off the bark and finish the outside the same way, whatever that is.
 I'm not really sure how these will appeal to folks but what the heck, right? 
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 03, 2020, 08:38:28 AM
OGH,

   Those aren't cookies - they are donuts. :D I think they look pretty good and I'd think they would sell at craft shows and such. Have you done anything to them to help prevent the likelihood of them cracking? We had a guy make all our household furniture at one point and on the big hutch mirrors he used soda can tabs to hold the mirrors in the frame. They work very well. Seems like on some he even put a little piece of cardboard between the glass and the tab I guess to prevent scratching the silvering off.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 03, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
Yeah, I did the ol' Doc Henderson routine with alcohol soak and a cardboard box. I got a little bit of surface mold because I was not very good at the follow-up flipping, but that came off with a simple wire brush wipe. So far, very little cracking and I have about a dozen of these. All of them are thicker than this one which was an uneven cut and a tiny bit warped.
 The pull tab idea isn't bad, but I will keep looking and if I don't find something I like more, go with that.
 I chipped all the bark off this one this morning and burned all the remaining cambium hairs off. Looks OK with a little tung oil, then I got distracted by the coffee perking and haven't gotten back to it.  ;D It's a nice day out so I may do some cutting. I was messing around with a one man crosscut saw. More on that later.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on October 03, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
Ah good another reason to have a diet Pepsi once in a while....  ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 03, 2020, 08:59:58 PM
Sorry soda of any kind is not my thing. I just don't care for it. Sometimes I will have a little mixed with good scotch, rye, or Bourbon, but that is even very rare. Coffee, water, beer, and milk. Those are my intakes. :D
SO weekends are supposed to be for fun stuff, I usually forget, but this morning I decided to try something I always wanted to do, which was see if I could sharpen an old crosscut saw. I have about 5 of them, all different, all rusty. I'd like to fix them up over time, but I have no idea why or what I will do with them. So I grabbed one and started in. It's pretty rough.

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I pulled the handles off, hit it with wire brush then a palm sander to get some of the rust off and oiled it a little. The set on all the teeth looked really good as did the tooth height with no damaged teeth or rakers. This one has a Champion Tooth pattern.


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I don't have a saw vise for any of these so I just did it in sections on the bench vise, then flipped it and did the other side. I also do not have a raker gage but a simple check told me the rakers were high in some spots. I chose not to mess with the rakers by hand at this point, that would take longer than sharpening without a gauge. I had tried the saw before I did anything and just wanted to see if I could make an improvement. SO after an hour or more of work, I put it back together and tried it again in the same dried ash slab.

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It cuts OK, (better for sure) but not nearly as good as it could. I am going to hunt for a raker gauge and see if I can reshape them and get them to the right height. I can tell for sure now, when it cuts it is riding on the rakers. I can't get it to bind at all. Another work in progress but I learned something today and that's always good, right?
SO then I grabbed a chainsaw and finally made myself start clearing some of the hanging trees on the back edge of my property and the front edge of my neighbors property. I had promised him I would do it a while back, but he really doesn't care. None the less I got all the major hangers down without issue, but there was one 6" diameter spring pole I nearly did not see that had a lot of energy in it. That was tricky to whittle down. I bucked up about 8 logs I will cut for firewood, then got the Mule. This is a tough spot to get into as I only have inches of clearance between the corner of my storage hut and the creek. I have to approach it at just the right angle or its a no-go. So I got in and winched the logs down to where I could grab them with the arch. But the tricky part was backing in, then I had to push the arch in by hand and hook it up. That arch is too short to even think about backing up more than a couple of feet with it, never mind navigating a tough and tight path. So I grabbed the first hitch and dragged it the hundred feet, dropped them and realized the fastest way to do the other trips was to disconnect the arch, push it all the way back by hand, then walk back and get the mule. For probably the 50th time I looked at my setup and said 'there HAS to be a way to do this easier!' I have tried to figure something out many times before and come up blank. This time it struck me out of the blue. Check this out:

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I made the wheels levitate! Easy peasey. If you don't see it yet, maybe this will help.

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A chain to each corner of the mule bed from the two back chains hooks on each side of the Mule. I have had this arch for 3 years and use it a lot. I don't know why I didn't see this before. True I only added the weld on hooks last year, but still, I should have thought of this. It works like a charm, solid, safe and sound as a rock. When I get time I will make up two chains that are the right length to make it easier and maybe the next time the welder is here I'll have him weld hooks on the Mule bed. Maybe I will come up with a refinement before I do that. Anyway, that was pretty neat for me to solve a longstanding pain in my butt. Adding up all the minutes, this will save me more time than you might guess.

So not a super productive day, but some fun stuff. Tomorrow is another one.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 04, 2020, 05:17:02 PM
Well a day that was supposed to be boring got a little interesting. Today was our monthly food shopping day, which means I lose at least half a day leaning on a shopping cart following my wife saying 'Yes Dear, that sounds good' and then hauling bags in and out of places to get it all put away. After lunch I was going to cut and split the wood I hauled in yesterday. I walked out back to grab an armload of the smaller stuff and while I was back there I saw some fresh wood through the trees where it should not have been. I took a few more steps and could see my neighbors shed had been modified in a hasty manner.

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Now I knew what that big boom was I heard an hour ago. SO I immediately texted him to see if he was OK. He was. Said it didn't quite go as planned. Thought he had it covered, but no. He accepted my offer of help a little too late. So I went up and tried to figure out how to get this off with as little further damage as possible. He had ideas and said he was just making lunch. I told him to go have lunch and take his time while I gave it some thought. It was a little tight working inside.


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By the time he ate his sammich, I had it cleared off.

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It was easier for me to do it when I could think and look at the loads without more 'plans' about jacks and supports and rope and hoists. Easy work, no additional damage, no injuries.
 SO we pulled some sheet plastic he had over it and stapled it down. Then I bucked up the rest of the log and gave him a 5 minute demo on tree felling, notch direction, hinge importance, and wedging, just to give him an idea. He plans on fixing it himself, but he admits he has never done anything like this.
 I feel bad he went through this when all he had to do was ask for help. It was not that hard a tree to drop, but he cut it clean off, it had no direction control at all, no hinge of any kind. He just didn't know.
 Not what I expected to see or do today, for sure.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on October 04, 2020, 06:01:17 PM
Ouch!  Wow.  Well, at least he didn't get himself kilt!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 04, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
OGH - 2 points:

  On the tree on the shed Sandy broke one fork off a big white oak on Halloween those many years ago and it fella cross my goat barn, an old cinderblock building that started like as a milking shed. I got a couple of good stout locust posts and wedged them tightly under the oak fork where it first met my shed roof then I started at the top and cut off the limb in small pieces I could handle and finally into firewood lengths over the roof till I had it removed. One good thing about oak is it is pretty forgiving and I was able to feather my chainsaw down into it till it lightly rested on the roof to hold some weight. If it had been a brittle wood like pine that would snap off I could not have done that. I got it off with really no more damage to the roof than had already been done.

   On your log arch backing - can you mount a receiver hitch on the front of your Mule and push the arch into those tight places? I used to see people do that with their trucks and they would push their boat trailers into the lake at the landing rather than backing. Its a lot easier to push one than back it if that is an option and if it would be easier than your current fix. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 04, 2020, 07:17:59 PM
Well, with the shed, the entire weight of the tree was already on what was left of the roof. SO I just made a long diagonal cut on the trunk about 4' from the wall. The trunk dropped and I took off firewood length pieces right up to the wall, then I went inside, disconnected the leaders and got them off, then cut the main trunk at the crotch and flipped that out, the rest I just pulled off. I felt like I was back in emergency services again. We did a lot of trees into houses, usually I served as the engineer and ground guy because we had a couple of monkey type arborists in the department that would crawl all over. This one was easy, I didn't see the need for propping here, but every one is different.
 For the arch, yeah, I looked at that idea hard last year. The winch is on the front and any hitch would interfere so some heavy engineering would be needed because if I put a hitch on the front I would want to winch functional so that I could pull a log right into the winch. The issue though is mostly that picking your way around trees does not allow for that 3rd axle, front or back, there is no turning room at all. I don't mind backing up, I did more miles going backwards in a firetruck than forwards, but it's the short turns that are a bear. Where I was yesterday, even without the arch, I was 3 or 4 shots to get between certain trees. Its tight. That's why this simple solution works so well. The arch is solid and predictable back there now. I love it. Still thinking about a better way to rig it, but this is so simple and effective, it's hard to beat.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on October 04, 2020, 07:56:55 PM
Your bed on the mule is a dump bed, right?  So, do you raise it up (dump), attach the chain and then lower the bed to lift the arch?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 04, 2020, 09:10:49 PM
Well on the face of it, yeah, that's a good idea. Of course it would work. But my dump is manual, which means I have to unlatch it, raise it all the way until it hooks, then hook up the arch, lower the bed and possibly push/hold it down while I re-latch it. The current method takes less than 10 seconds, I lift one arch leg, flip the chain in a hook, lift the other leg, flip the chain in a hook, and Bob's your uncle.
 Also my bed is always full of tools, so a full raise is not a good idea. :D ;D
 Right now I am hooking a chain hook into the 1" square 'stake pocket'. I think I would like to take some 7/8 or 3/4 bar and weld a chain hook on the end. Then I can drop one of those in each pocket. It would be neater.
 I had thought about tying in two chain binders (cam type) that would not fall off when loose and I could leave connected, then just flip up each binder to lift it off the ground. But I think I would need a lot of travel in that binder to get it high enough and still leave enough slack when loose for safe steering. But again, it's hard to beat the current simplicity I have beyond cutting some chain that is the right length so that I don't have a bunch hanging loose.
 I think the only reason I mentioned it here is because I suffered with this issue for 3 years and never figured it out. I probably hand pushed that arch around for several miles in that time. It was so simple that I just laughed at my stupidity in not seeing it earlier. Levitation, who'd have thunk it? :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 05, 2020, 08:23:29 PM
Well Monday today. As I was filling my first cup of coffee at 5:30 I was thinking about all the years I spent dreading and hating Monday's. Not so much anymore. :)
 I went out and started a small fire in the shop stove. I am kind of looking forward to finding a bed of coals in the morning I can just stir up, but it is not cold enough for that yet. So small fires in the morning, enough to make coffee, then taper it off during the day with junk chunks of oddball wood to steadily bring the temp in the shop up to around 68-70 by the evening so it holds over night. Mostly I want to keep the wood dry in the building and I have noted anything I bring inside is dropping moisture content at a fairly regular rate of about 1% every 2 days or so. And I do enjoy the coffee through the day. ;D
 So today we had the boys again and they had online schooling, which means a lot of work and frustration for Grandma trying to figure out the web pages and connections that seem to keep changing. I tried to help, but it created more stress, so I went out to cut, split, stack. Never let it be said I didn't do the least I could do. ;D
 Anyway, I cut and split all the stuff I had pulled out over the weekend and low and behold I finished my goal and completed the pile that I had figured would finish my 10 cords back a month ago. I should probably re-do my math and measurements, but I am pretty sure I am there. 10 cords for the season is a first for me and a guess as to what I will need for the first season heating the shop entirely on wood. I really have no idea. I just took a guess based on my past 30 years of burning, but you folks all know there are huge variables here, the stove, the building, the weather. We will see. I may have to augment with oil, but I am guessing less than a half hour a day is all I might need in the coldest weather. But for now, it looks good to me.

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3 rows deep from this angle. I am fairly happy with this, it's a good start and I have the 5 cords over by the house and another small 1/2 cord on the side of my shed which is all mill slabs. I am burning that first. I filled the log hoop in the shop today also with a bunch of small branch cut-ups from clearing over the weekend. Just junk, but solid burnable wood. I am hoping that junk will take me well through October before I start on 'real wood'. I still have more of the little stuff I can pull and cut, it's amazing how much good wood you can find laying around if you just put the labor into it.
 Any wood I cut from here on is going to need another place to stack it. The piles I have now are as high as I want to go. That front row in the photo is a little higher than I am happy with for safety, but the boys are well trained and stay away from the piles. I may leave the splitter there just as a barrier for a while. I may just stage any logs I get and save them for the spring or next season depending on the weather. They say we are going to get clobbered this winter in the northeast, I am trying to have a plan B if I run out or get low.
 Anyway, today was a day and I got something done. Tomorrow is another day, I have no idea what I am doing. ;D (yet)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old saw fixer on October 11, 2020, 03:41:37 PM
Has anyone heard from Old Greenhorn?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 11, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
I put a call into him.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: A-z farmer on October 11, 2020, 06:54:46 PM
Old greenhorn said he was going away for a few days .Hopefully he is enjoying all the fall colors .
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 11, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
   And here I was thinking he'd moved his water tank to the roof for better water pressure and it fell off and killed him and I was thinking to see if I could buy his mule cheap off his widow/estate. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 12, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
  And here I was thinking he'd moved his water tank to the roof for better water pressure and it fell off and killed him and I was thinking to see if I could buy his mule cheap off his widow/estate. :D
I ain't dead yet. ;D we are 'out of town' and will be back this afternoon. Thanks for the concern. Doc I don't see any missed calls on my phone. Wonder if you have my new number since I retired? It ends in 4319.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 12, 2020, 11:39:32 AM
OGH,

   Okay. We are glad to hear it but still it would be a good idea to let the Missus know if you do meet with an unfortunate accident I have first dibs on your mule. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on October 12, 2020, 12:00:46 PM
I Wondered why this was quiet, that explains it. ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 12, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
glad you are good,  I have the old # if you want to pm or text the new one, just in case.  thx.   :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on October 12, 2020, 02:49:23 PM
  And here I was thinking he'd moved his water tank to the roof for better water pressure and it fell off and killed him and I was thinking to see if I could buy his mule cheap off his widow/estate. :D
I ain't dead yet. ;D we are 'out of town' and will be back this afternoon. Thanks for the concern. Doc I don't see any missed calls on my phone. Wonder if you have my new number since I retired? It ends in 4319.
You can post to your gang when your out of town 😂
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 12, 2020, 08:02:35 PM
You can post to your gang when your out of town 😂
Sorry, I didn't realize I had a 'gang'. ;D I didn't get that memo.
Truth be told there were several contributing reasons I took a few days off. I use the 'most recent posts' feature here on the forum so I can read every post and learn new stuff and keep up. The stuff coming off the restricted forum was starting to get me down and I just decided to take some time off. I hate to see folks I respect on both sides of an issue going at each other trying to change minds in sometimes forceful ways. It's not what I come to this forum for. So I decided to just take a little time off.
The second reason was as we are now into about the 4th month of retirement, the finances are starting to 'smooth out' so we can see where we stand and in recent weeks it is not looking too great. The reality of just shutting off spending any money is a bitter pill. I was trying to parse that out in my head and figure some things out. I confess I was a tad depressed as I tried to figure out how to fill the gap and the possibility of having to take a job set in.
Thirdly, I wasn't really working on anything interesting and I think I throw too much nonsense up here that is no different than any of the other folks do on a daily basis and in most cases on a smaller and much less useful scale.
So let me see if I can briefly catch y'all up.
SO a few days ago I started working on a couple of slabs and a couple of those hallow cookies. One slab is bark off, and the other is not releasing it's bark, so I am going to try my first one with bark on and see what happens. (people keep asking for that, to my chagrin.) Both slabs are at 12% MC, both RO. Pretty nice, minimal cracks.

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I did some tiny epoxy pours on each but just because I am being picky and wanted to close up some tiny openings. While that epoxy was curing I worked on the cookies. Working on end grain is new to me and this stuff is pretty tight, the rays look nice, and it sands out super smooth. I have routed the backs of these out to take a 10" diameter mirror (I have a bunch). On one I am using the bark on approach and urethaneing the whole thing except the face, which I am applying tung oil and then hand waxing with Johnson's. The other I hacked off the bark and burned off the remaining cambium, giving that black effect. It looks good with the urethane.

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I did a test waxing and it looked really slick, then I sanded it all off to get it a little better because the first run showed up some fine saw lines left I wanted gone. SO I did another sanding round on both and finished with 320 tonight. When the tung oil set up by tomorrow, I will start waxing and I have to pick up the mirror clips I found. Anyway, starting to work on projects and focus on finishing them to start adding inventory so I can figure a way to start selling them.

Saturday we drove over to southern VT. We always visit one of my cousins on this weekend for the last 8 years or so. As we had no vacation travel or even a weekend away all year, we didn't want to let this one slide by. We needed 'something'. SO we bent a rule or two to make it happen. We drove straight through, only stopped at an outdoor flea market we never miss (great stuff, old and new). Given the finances, I only spent 15 bucks on little cheap odds and ends. Still it was nice to have a tiny slice of normalcy. Then we got to my cousins house and when you pull into a place like this, who needs to go anywhere else?

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Their house is on the right, over 150 years old and my cousins husband has been repairing and improving it regularly for many decades. Impressive maples out front and back. We usually fill up a load of apples from their trees, but the last 2 years, no apples. That building on the left by my truck was built in the 50's and housed a 'candy factory' which employed a handful of folks making maple candy from the families sugaring operation. There is a warehouse building across the road in the left and out of the photo for syrup storage and 'other stuff'. That building and property was sold to a feisty older artist couple who use it as a studio and workshop. The husband had serious medical issues and passed this summer, but we have befriended the wife and enjoy her company when we come up. Quite a pistol, that gal. We had her over for dinner both night we were there.
SO Just sitting around, doing a few chores, catching up, visiting with my 90 year old first cousin (still driving it like he stole it) and we never saw a reason to leave the property. We played with tractors, sat on the porch and shared stories etc. We left this morning around 9, had lunch on the way home and we fell refreshed. Pretty simple weekend, I might feel like I cheated a little bit, but we needed it. Given the fact that as I was driving down one road I counted 20 out of state cars (MA, CT, NJ, NY, etc) to each VT plate. I figure we were probably closer to following the intent of the rules than a lot of these other folks.
SO back to the routine and tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on October 12, 2020, 08:56:55 PM
Sounds like a fun trip. And one you needed 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 12, 2020, 09:18:36 PM
OGH,

   Okay, I will have to wait on the mule. Go ahead and stay healthy a while longer. :(  :D

   Glad you had a good time with the family. The bad thing about retirement is "When working you have income but no time to enjoy it. When retired you have lots of time but no additional income coming in to buy the things you now have time to look for, find and projects you have been wanting to do for years." Bummer, Dude! You just have to come up with a compromise which seems to be where you are now. 

    We went down to Ala a week ago to a memorial service for my oldest BIL and I got to see his wife, and other 2 BILs and spend a little family time with them. The hard part was not swinging down to Charlotte to see my lone grandson and 18 month of granddaughter we have not seen since the pandemic started. The grandkids call and both are talking more and more each time, even the little one, and I need to see them here. My grandson is the perfect size to help me pick up walnuts and kindling and such right now. Oh well, we all want to stay safe. Glad to have you back. Don't leave us hanging - we miss you. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: farmfromkansas on October 13, 2020, 08:36:02 AM
Not having much trouble staying busy right now, bean harvest is happening now, beans are not so great thanks to dry August,  but that is the way it goes.  Have wheat cleaned and waiting for the harvesting to be over, then have to get the cows moved home.  The pastures are eaten down, and not so great so feeding protein tubs to keep the cows happy. Made a trip to NE Colorado a couple weeks ago, near Hereford, and picked up a new to me 05 F-450.  Didn't realize what dry country eastern Colorado is, looks like the pastures will support maybe 2 cows to 80 acres.  Great thing is, the truck is rust free! The guy told me you can see 100 miles there, and if you look around, you can see every tree.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 13, 2020, 08:42:03 PM
Howard, I have not given your message to my wife, but I will at some point. There are others here who think they also want a shot at it, my son is likely one of those. SO you will be on the list at some point, just not sure where.
 Staying busy surely isn't an issue, I can find stuff that needs to be done which could keep my bust around the clock if I wanted. Making some money on the side, still seems elusive.
 Now that the weather is 'declining' I am trying to organize my day around shop work with a focus on projects. I am trying to keep as many of them in the air and moving along as I can at a single time. I have 4 pieces on the bench now and bring each one to a point where it needs to sit, or dry, or whatever, then move on to the next one. The shop floor is full of truck right now, so I can't do more until that is gone. I figure I just has to start cranking out 'work' of some sort instead of working on the infrastructure for now. Hopefully it will add up to something.
 Today was rainy and cool all day. The rain collectors are all full for sure. Never did get any sun and the attic temp never got over 60, been watching it. Tomorrow should be all sun and I'll be interested to see the difference. No problem so far keeping the shop warm, even opening the bay door to bring a truck in. Just burning junk wood and branches at this point. I don't stuff it for overnight, but I do put in a couple of larger pieces and most days I have to start a new fire in the morning, but the building is holding pretty steady...so far, and the nice thing is my finishes seem to be drying or curing on a good schedule, whereas last winter with the temp up and down all the time it was a real problem. The wood was cold, the air was damp it was really tough. Now it seems a whole lot better which also gives me a hint that this stuff I have been doing is making a difference. I know the boys working on that truck today didn't object to the heat in shop and working in t-shirts instead of sweatshirts.
 I just have to buckle down and crank out a bunch of finished product, whatever that is. I am trying to figure out what else I can do with those cookies with the open center, I have a bunch of them and they finish up nice but none of the ideas I have really don't excite me.
 Ah well, tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 13, 2020, 09:05:13 PM
charcuterie boards are all the rage with the fru-fru crowd from "the city"  meat and cheese board, not so much (same thing).  put a dip bowl or something in the middle, or nothing and call it rustic.  anyone under 30 knows what it is and love them... and I am from Ks.  I have made little ones from 5 x 12 x 1 inch boards, oak, walnut, ash ect.  they luv, luv, luv um!.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 13, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
That's a pretty good idea Doc, as usual. I will have to take a look at it with that eye in the morning. For that purpose I would have to remove all the bug eaten material in the center to make it clean wood and also remove the bark, but that burn method seems to work well for a finish covered by urethane. I would have to make a routing template or two to clean out the center and fit a bowl, but I should be able to find bowls someplace.
 Yeah, I am certainly going to follow up on that. These are mostly 2" think or more, but that still might have some appeal. I am trying to work up the courage to send one through the planer, that would make things easier if I could pull it off, or exciting if I can't. ;D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on October 13, 2020, 11:22:47 PM
Glad you had a nice trip.  I’m looking forward to mine here in a couple of weeks also!  Let’s plan to get together in mid-November after my quarantine is over.  I’ll have a bit more cargo space for hauling stuff back and forth then and we should probably revisit that trailer discussion from a few weeks back.  I also have a few other ideas bouncing around we can discuss then too.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on October 14, 2020, 07:27:13 AM
You fill the hole with resin, not fit a bowl. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 14, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
You fill the hole with resin, not fit a bowl.
Yeah I had thought I might try something like that but it's a lot of resin for what I might be able to sell them for. Not sure it's worth it for how it would look. Most likely I will try one though.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 14, 2020, 07:43:01 AM
Glad you had a nice trip.  I’m looking forward to mine here in a couple of weeks also!  Let’s plan to get together in mid-November after my quarantine is over.  I’ll have a bit more cargo space for hauling stuff back and forth then and we should probably revisit that trailer discussion from a few weeks back.  I also have a few other ideas bouncing around we can discuss then too.
Just a weekend of sitting around and chatting, good for the soul.
Yeah, feels like a long time before we can meet up again. The weather is telling me it's time to get some wood loaded up for you. Mid-november can bring us some surprises in these parts and I would hate to get caught short when the white crap arrives. You know it just occurred to me I might know a full sized equipment trailer that's available about 3 miles from your house. I'll check into it just for fun when I get a chance. It might be too much for that truck though but would handle your tractor plus implements easy.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 14, 2020, 08:47:04 AM
I have tried the planer, and my experience is chipping out the backside.  and nobody wants to chip out their backside.   :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8).  a drum sander on the other hand does ok.  for rustic, you can get a bowl that occupies the center and sets more on the table or simply suggest they find a cute ceramic bowl and they find their own.  or a vase for flowers.  or a wine bottle with the led light string and the battery holder that looks like a cork. or make a second level that covers the hole ect. ect.  If you fill with epoxy, you can use cheap fill like pine cone seeds to reduce the volume of epoxy.  I think you should have a snack of smoked chees and venison summer sausage today, and see if it inspires you.  at least you wont be hungry!  have a good day.  look at rustic center piece cookies on google.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 14, 2020, 08:49:31 AM
i also agree with @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370),  everyone is loving resin filled stuff.  the finish can be mineral oil and I got a gallon from the amazon.   :)  I also have used Boos block oil, and it has a little wax in it to help it protect, bring out the wood character and is food safe.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on October 14, 2020, 02:05:27 PM



My father used it to pull a pretty large boat and I know it has a tow package on it with all the brake & light hookups.  Its a gasoline V-8 which I think is rated around 9600#. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 14, 2020, 04:45:14 PM
OH, then maybe this would work. Have to check it out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 15, 2020, 08:44:42 PM
Well, not much interesting going on here for sure. I am trying to work into a routine of getting a full day in mostly on projects that will result in 'something' but also getting some other stuff done in between. The last couple of days I have been out int he shop before 7:30 and stuck at it all day. Hours of sanding or anything else wears a guy out, I have to mix it up. So yesterday I was working on 3 slabs and the two cookies that will be mirrors, I guess. So as a break, I went out back and pulled some more junk wood down to cut for interim firewood. Just junk to keep the stove limping along until heating season starts. The afternoons are actually too warm in the shop, but keeping it warm and dry is really making a difference on how finishes are drying and curing and that is really super for me. I just work in a t-shirt and it's all good. Last year at this time, epoxy resin might take 2 days before I could sand it. Now it is overnight and that's really nice, I can keep moving. SO little piles of wood I would otherwise throw to the side to rot are now keeping the stove burning and the shop dry. This little pile will probably carry me for close to a week or more.

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 I fire the stove in the morning, make coffee, then just put in enough wood to keep it from going out during the day. Around 8pm I load it and choke it down. Not the best for keeping a clean chimney  ;D, but its working out OK for now. Gonna stay cool for the next few days, so we shall see how it goes. Still no frost here yet, just getting cooler each week. I am good with that.

 So I have those slabs and they are coming along, rotating the 3 seems to be more efficient for output and they are coming along.

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 Each of these will be something different, I think, not sure yet.
 So I alternated with other chores. Yesterday I pulled and cut and split that wood and moved a few wheel barrow loads of topsoil my son had left from a job. Today I did a few more loads, cleaned the house chimney, and made a run to HD for more tung oil and some keepers for the mirrors. I am still trying to figure out the mirrors exactly. Design as you go, right?
 So one of my new neighbors (barely a year and change) had the closing to sell their house today and are 'gone'. I am going to miss those kids. They were city folk, but hard working and only hired folks for things they could not figure out how to do themselves. They made a huge difference on that house and property, and they earned every bit of it. I liked helping them because they helped themselves. They had not planned on selling, but between the burden of the unforeseen major expenses that came up with this house, the virus, pressures to get back to on-site work down in the city, and the unanticipated costs and adjustments of a new baby things just added up and they were getting into a tight spot and had to do what was best for themselves and the baby. They made a profit on the house, which is really good and they are now looking to purchase property right around here to hopefully build their own house on a more manageable schedule. I hope they can find a way to buy around here, I'd like to watch that little girl grow up. Good folks. I will miss them. They have a lead on some property right down our road, but it might take a while for the subdivide to get done.
 Now I have to see what the new owner is like and if we might hit it off. I will give a visit when it seems right. Another second (or more) homeowner from the city. You never really know what that means. Life is like a box of chocolates.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 15, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
  On the tung oil I've started buying Hope's 100% tung oil. All I see at my local hardware and Lowes is Tung Oil finish - mixed with some thing else. I'm happy with the price and delivery from them. Bought a quart then last time I bought a gallon. We don't have a HD near by so I don't know which they stock. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on October 16, 2020, 07:43:44 AM
I only use 100% pure tung oil.  Not available locally.  Have to order it.  The "tung oil finish" actually does not have much tung oil in it. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 16, 2020, 08:24:59 AM
Now you guys have got me going and I am going to have to read the cans. I had been making the trip to Lowes to get my tung oil because it was half of what HD charged for it. HD sells Watco and I cannot remember the brand that Lowes carries. Well yesterday we were in HD and I didn't want to add a side trip to lowes, so I bought the Watco. Turns out the can is twice the size, and hence twice the cost, so fair deal.
 I cannot remember the name on the other can and the lowes website doesn't list it now, so after we come back from the chiro appt. I will look into it in depth.
 Supplies just seem pricey to me these days. I dropped $65. and could carry what I bought in one hand. >:(
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 16, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
I use Watco Danish oil.  I buy a gallon at a time, and Lowes carried the quart.  a gallon is twice the price of a quart, but you get 4 times the product. I got my last online to get the gallon.  I think prior to opening, and when full, it will last a long time.  my "bad" can I have had for over 10 years. I think Danish is a proprietary blend of Tung oil and only God know what else.  It will darken and get rancid after year.  the cap and threads get gewy and make it harder to close tight, and to open.  so match your volume to your use.  it might be a good choice for nitrogen gas put in before it is closed.  You may be getting Watco brand of just Tung oil too.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 16, 2020, 10:17:12 PM
OGH,

   I confess - I never read the cans either but Danny mentioned in the past it was not pure and about the 100% so now I get it on-line as I don't have a local source for pure tung oil.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 17, 2020, 06:19:36 AM
Yeah, I had thought I was a careful label reader before, but now I see that is not enough and one actually have to go to the manufacturers web site to dig up what is really in the stuff. Even then it is a tangled path that doesn't always give the desired results. Take the 'Watco Tung oil finish' for instance. The label states exactly that with no ingredients listed. The web page also list no ingredients, nor does the product PDF sheet. The MSDS does list other chemicals apparently thinners but no other oils or compounds. Also I note Watco only has one Tung oil product, so there is no 'pure oil' and a 'finish oil' available from them. So I am not clear if this is considered 'pure' or not. I think not. Rockler's pure Tung oil has nothing but Tung oil in the MSDS sheet, for instance.
The Formby's that I have been using is even less of a tung oil. I found this comment on when of the distributer sites in answer to the 'WHat's in it?' question. "Formby's "Tung Oil Finish" is a alkyd and soya/tung oil varnish pure and simple. If you look closely at the label you will find that Formby's even calls it a varnish. Varnish is made by mixing a resin (in this case, alkyd) and a drying oil (in this case a mixture of soya and tung oil). The mixture is then heated until the resin and oils combine into a new compound called varnish. Once it becomes varnish, it's no longer identifiable as tung oil. The closest Formby's Tung Oil Finish comes to being or containing tung oil is in it's name."

SO I guess I really got duped on that one, but it explains the handling and finishing characteristics that I didn't expect. When that can is done very shortly I will be done with that product. I'll use up the Watco, then just order the pure stuff and be done with it. As much as I want the right product on my wood, even more I want to avoid unnecessary chemical on my hands and in my nose. I am a little surprised I got duped, but these guys hide this information pretty well.

Not much got done here yesterday, just more sanding and a small epoxy pour on a missed crack. I did fit one of the mirrors and will do the other one today. I had the distractions of the guys working on that truck and the welder came to fix the rear frame before the new springs go in. The guys 'sort of' complained about the shop being too hot (70°) but they didn't complain about working in t-shirts. I have managed to keep it at or over 66° so far. It rained all day yesterday and the temp is not supposed to hit 60 for the next 5 days or so. I want to keep that good drying condition in the shop, even if it means t-shirts. ;D Sure beats the past 32 years of going out to a cold shop, starting the heat, waiting for the air to heat up to a working temp and the general temp never got the equipment (or the wood) settled in at a warm temp, then shut the heat at night and start over the next day. This is SO much better. ( I also note that nobody is complaining about taking a break in my chair by the woodstove, or the coffee pot, or the hot water on the back of the stove always available, or the fridge with drinks in it.  :D
I just realized today is Saturday, not sure what that means, but I should get to it. Today is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 17, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
   I was using Farmbys till Danny brought it to my attention it was not pure tung oil and Hopes is the one I found on line and I am happy with it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 78NHTFY on October 17, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Spent a coupla days scraping edge of a friend's pond of cat tails, ditching around property and moving a shed (instead of sawing  :'(, or getting ready for Winter at my place, like cutting cordwood).  Must say, my new-to-me skidder is a beast.....All the best, Rob.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13967/IMG_2620.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1602946463)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13967/IMG_2619.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1602946440)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13967/IMG_2616.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1602946483)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on October 17, 2020, 12:48:52 PM
FWIW,  I've  been using a product called Real Milk Paint. It's a pure tung oil or so it claims.  Buying it  in gallons used turpentine to thin it

a little on some Green Ash for a ceiling project. Happy with it so far.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: btulloh on October 17, 2020, 02:45:47 PM
Checked out their website. Product looks great. They make an outdoor version as well. One ounce samples available, which is great. I’ve bought way to many tung oil products that were not what I wanted. Theoretically, there’s a retailer 5 minutes from me. On the way there now!

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: SwampDonkey on October 17, 2020, 03:03:15 PM
OGH, you should be able to get the real tung oil from Lee Valley online. They have free shipping to USA. They will not ship to certain states, says which on the product page. I'm pretty sure they have a warehouse in New York.

https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/finishing/finishes/20049-100-pure-tung-oil
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on October 17, 2020, 07:35:21 PM
I get it here, too:

100% Pure Tung Oil Wood Finish & Protection - Non-Toxic Wood Oil (https://www.realmilkpaint.com/shop/oils/pure-tung-chinawood/?gclid=CjwKCAjwrKr8BRB_EiwA7eFapkeCDCOIXktVOhf8jU6UKS4bdX3GPy8ild_WmZSlA3Se_qY6a9ZNRhoCB2YQAvD_BwE)

The dark version is interesting.  Looks really good on pine and maple, at least to me.  The oil is very dark, like black coffee. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: btulloh on October 17, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
Good info on both counts.

Lee. Valley is a dependable company. Never tried their tung oil, but no doubt it’s good stuff. I see they have a polymerized version also, which I prefer for some uses.

My trip to the alleged local supplier of Real Milk products came up empty. I  will order some of their samples. I’ve got quite a few quarts of tung oil I didn’t like and most are jello at this point.

These look useful: 
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/finishing/72867-finish-storage-bag?item=62K0410 (https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/finishing/72867-finish-storage-bag?item=62K0410)
For storing finish and reducing air issues. Should be good for dispensing small quantities too.

(Getting close to a thread hijack. Sorry OGH  :-X)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 17, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
Wow, Rob, looks like you are staying out of trouble and that skidder looks every bit the beast.
 Nebraska, I came across that Real Milk product, I might just check that one out next, but they charge almost 10 bucks shipping for a quart. I'll look around for a supplier, I thought I saw one this morning, but that was a long time ago. ;D
 Swamp, Lee valley says they are out of stock until end of November, so I have time to think about it.
 Btulloh, I am too cheap to let them sit in a can and I will use them up, then move on, at least then I didn't throw the money away. I can't afford to buy stuff I don't use, not yet anyway. ;D
 I may have mentioned I have several projects working at the same time. I was out in the shop early today (maybe 6am, I don't recall) and started (after putting the coffee on) with a small epoxy pour which is usually how I end the day, but one of the cracks on the table slab had sunk in and I had to refill it.  Then I sanded and refinished the back side of those mirror cookies after putting in the glass retainers and chiseling out the slots. I set them up to dry.
 I have an RO curved bench slab in the works, so I put that up and drilled the leg holes. This one is like the ones WV Sawmiller makes, flat both sides, but this one I left the bark on because it is holding tight and we will see what happens. It's been a while and I had to make some mistakes over. I forgot how I fit the legs and drilled the first hole the same size as the tenon. I had forgotten I drill the holes smaller and sand the tenons to fit. At least I figured it out after just one hole, no harm done, I just fitted one leg a little bigger and you really can't see it. So I got those glued in from the bottom side and let that sit to dry.
 That gave me enough time to run over and greet the new neighbor. Nice gal, I didn't get much, was only there a few minutes, enough to welcome her and wish her well in the new house. Apparently another city person come up here to escape the virus 'for the duration' (which is an expression I hear a lot these days from the city folks, I don't blame them).
 Then the Grandson's came by for a couple of hours so I worked outside moving the rest of the topsoil and a few loads of crushed stone to improve the ground around the mill yard and new path up to the neighbors. When they left I flipped the bench and filled the glue gaps on the top side and let it sit again.
 After dinner I got back out to the shop, put the mirror cookies together and another coat of wax on each. They don't look bad really. The faces are just tung oil and Johnson paste wax, about 4 coats so far and a lot of hand rubbing.

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 This one I left the bark bark on.

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I can't decide which way is right side up, any opinions?

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The bench is coming along, I have to trim the legs (I hate that part) and then sand the tops of the legs flush and finish it up. 

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 Anyway, a bunch of stuff done today, more tomorrow I hope.  Just keep moving forward, right? As soon as I clear off one project I figure I will start another one and keep the pipeline going. It seems that having a bunch of things I can keep rotating through is keeping me busy, and mostly out of trouble. I might have to increase the pipeline by a project or two to make the rotation easier. I will admit, I am getting tired of all the sanding. I wish I had a way to get a 24" planer in the shop but that ain't gonna happen. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 17, 2020, 09:44:56 PM


These look useful: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/finishing/72867-finish-storage-bag?item=62K0410 (https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/supplies/finishing/72867-finish-storage-bag?item=62K0410)
For storing finish and reducing air issues. Should be good for dispensing small quantities too.

(Getting close to a thread hijack. Sorry OGH  :-X)
Sorry I missed this on the first read, I checked these out and if I order from Lee Valley I will be sure to get a couple of these. My urethane is a real problem keeping it fresh, so this will be right handy. Nice find, I never saw this before. Reminds me of the squeeze tubes I used to buy for backpacking, the back end was open and you could put anything in them and they had a clip that then slid on and sealed the air out. They were a bit of a pain to pack with peanut butter, jelly was much easier, but I could live off those tubes for lunch and snacks for days, loved those things. Never see then these days, wonder why. I thought they were better than sliced bread. These bags look the same as far as value goes.
 Not sweat on the hi-jack, that is what makes it a conversation.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 17, 2020, 10:19:27 PM
OGH,

   Good looking cookie projects. I envy you guys with the epoxy skills and the things you do with it.

   On the bench legs I use the same size auger bit as my tenon. Ideally the legs would be dry and the top still drying so it gets tighter as it dries. I use metal sledge hammer wedges (I buy them by the pound from House handle Co in Arkansas) and they work good. They can be installed without having to cut a slot like the wood ones which removes another step from the processing. I like the idea of a slightly smaller mortise but have not found a 1-7/16" auger bit to match my 1-1/2" tenon. If you don't like to see the top of the metal wedge you could countersink them a little and make up some wood putty with sawdust and sander dust off the bench top and hide the metal.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 17, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
OGH,

   Good looking cookie projects. I envy you guys with the epoxy skills and the things you do with it.

   On the bench legs I use the same size auger bit as my tenon. Ideally the legs would be dry and the top still drying so it gets tighter as it dries. I use metal sledge hammer wedges (I buy them by the pound from House handle Co in Arkansas) and they work good. They can be installed without having to cut a slot like the wood ones which removes another step from the processing. I like the idea of a slightly smaller mortise but have not found a 1-7/16" auger bit to match my 1-1/2" tenon. If you don't like to see the top of the metal wedge you could countersink them a little and make up some wood putty with sawdust and sander dust off the bench top and hide the metal.
I don't use wedges, just glue. I use a 1-1/2 tenon cutter, but they come out pretty rough and give me all kinds of gluing grief. SO I drill the hole at 1-3/8' and sand the tenons round and use a size jig to hand fit them, then I can slide 'em into the bench hole and just give a couple of raps with a leather mallet to set the home.
As for the epoxy, there is no skill, just lots of time on my elbows with a toothpick poking it into the cracks and pulling up air bubbles. Mostly what I use it for is filling drying splits in the wood and defects. It firms it up, adds strength and I don't have to worry about a crack growing any further. When I sand the slab it all comes in flat and smooth. By the way, there is no epoxy in those cookies at all.
I am wondering lately if anyone has ever tried using the epoxy resin as a glue for things like bench legs? It should be really strong if I guess right. More expensive, but I might just try that sometime.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 18, 2020, 10:00:56 AM
I once set a 8# sledge head on a now fiberglass reinforced plastic handle, and it came with a 2 part epoxy to fill in the gap between handle and hole.  I have tried it on tomahawks and it will last a year, and then with all the abuse of throwing hawks, it will loosen and then start breaking.  i think it would work well on a bench, as it is adhesive, and can be colored and wood flower added as a filler.  could also just use glue, and then tighten up any void with epoxy.  the idea of the tomahawk, is that the handle gets wider at the top, and the steel slides up onto the wedge are, and can be tightened as needed.  it is supposed to come apart in an effort to not always break the handle on a crazy bad throw.  the hole (I am sure there is a name for this) is supposed to be wider on the top to match the flare in the handle.  Mine are cheaper versions and it can be hard to tell which way they go.  the eye maybe?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 18, 2020, 11:20:56 PM
Yeah Doc, I might try that. I found out today one of the benches I made in the past 2 years has a loose leg some it is coming back for 'factory service'. I might try using epoxy on it just for fun. I have to do an analysis first. ;D
 Today was a full day even though I slept late after staying up watching some old re-runs I got into last night. I started around 9, did some more sanding while the coffee cooked and made a jig for slicing some cookies down. Then I headed out to the mill and cut the legs on 3 benches.

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 I clamped the heck out of them and it all went OK, then I tried the cookie jig and that worked fine too. 

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SO I wrapped up on the mill and back into the shop. I sanded the tops on those 3 benches and cleaned up any older issues. I had glued the legs on 2 back in June but never cut the legs. I hate cutting legs. I got them to the point of putting on the tung oil so I could see the grain. SO now I have a trio of benches near finished.

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All 3 are different and I still need to apply urethane after they dry. Then I started work on those thinner cookies and did some rough sanding to get them flat. It was a full day and my feet are tired.

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Tomorrow I will figure out how I am approaching them. 
 After dinner I had visitors to the shop and they looked at some of my stuff and we had discussions about prices. They saw my oddball cookie I have been using as an epoxy repository for all my leftovers, I figured it as a 5 year project that might get finished someday. It caught their eye and they offered me 500 bucks to make a corner table out of it. It's a lot of salvage work on a pithy, weak, long shot, and my confidence is low, but I will give it a shot.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 18, 2020, 11:57:57 PM
OGH,

   What are the horizonal pieces on the legs for? I just drive the 4 legs in, turn the bench upside down on the mill, clamp securely, set my height to 17", spread the band out wide enough to reach them all and saw. when finished all the legs are the same height and same angle. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 19, 2020, 08:47:05 AM
Those are braces for rigidity. If I don't clamp those on the blade grabs the leg and it snaps over. I fear without all the clamps it might rip the bench out of the mill. I am not taking chances. Early on I had a leg grab and snap. That was enough for me. This is why I hate cutting legs.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 19, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
   Okay, I see said the blind man to the deaf wife on the telephone. I learned to slow down my cut on legs to prevent pulling them out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 19, 2020, 09:47:40 AM
try a finer, less angled blade, and ease into it.  I also worry about a bench as a projectile.  I have bent a guide roller bracket, but not from a bench, cuase I hand cut them with a fine Japanese pull saw.  "fine" meaning small teeth, not expensive. got it at Lowes a marples I think.  any fine saw should be ok.  if off a little, I tune the angle and 4 legs with a belt sander.  I set it on the floor, then flip it over and hit the two that are hittin.  it is easy to mix up as you flip it over.  I throw a chunk of masking tape on the legs.  upside down and backwards gets the best of us.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 19, 2020, 09:49:43 AM
I think a flat on both top and bottom with square sides will be easier on the mill, than live edge and with a natural bottom side.  Since you like music, brings to mind the "big boned gal"  song, done by K.D. Lang et. al.   8) :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 19, 2020, 09:54:38 AM
OGH can you post a pic. of your tenons?  are they still "groovy"  man?  :) Depends on the wood, and moisture, but mine come out pretty even and smooth after getting my cutters tuned up and dialed in.

I like the clamp of the bench direct to the bed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 19, 2020, 03:39:48 PM
The tenons are the same. The legs I am using now I had made beck in April. This method of sanding to fit is working quite well for me. It allows me the correct any mis-aligmnet or add a deviation to make it fit better. Given many decades of off hand grinding cutting tools to fairly precise shapes, it only takes me about 44 seconds per leg to make a nice squeak fit.

I have a couple of pull saws and use them for cutting off the tenons after gluing, but find the mill is more accurate for getting the legs even and flat. It just works for me but care must be excercised in the execution lest ones winds up wearing the Bench and blade as a necklace. ;D :D I think that would just be too gaudy for my taste.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 19, 2020, 08:15:43 PM
I like the dry leg, and wet seat so the hole shrinks up on the tenon.   :o :o :o :) :) :) :D :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on October 19, 2020, 10:14:16 PM
   I use my HF pull saw to saw the excess tenon off the surface side of my bench then it will lay flat on my mill while I cut the legs to length. I have a 3{ tenon peg and am using 2" LE slabs so nearly an inch of excess on each bench. I use a 4 degree blade most of the time and ease into the cut. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 22, 2020, 11:12:43 PM
Harry, meant to respond earlier, I do mine the same as you. I have a couple of pull saws, they work well.
 The last two days have been busy. My son has had his truck in my shop for a couple of weeks to replace the rear springs, get some frame welding done, do brakes and drums, new electric fuel pumps and a bunch of other stuff. He and his guys have come in to do work every other day or so balanced with the weather and he is putting in evenings as he can. It's an inconvenience for me, but I work around it and it's a big part of why I put the lofts in so I can work upstairs. They now complain (mildly) that it is too hot in the shop (70°), but them seem to muddle through. ;D Yesterday as they started to button things up on the truck, a new door 'showed up' for the back of the shop which they spent several hours putting in. I had no idea I needed a new door.
 First there was a door.

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Then there was no door.

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Then there was a door again.

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 My son had decided the sill rot was too bad and I needed a new door. I didn't think so, but I'll take it. I told them not to touch the inside trim, I have some maple I will try to do up nice, just for the heck of it. I started ripping and planing that today before this surprise work party showed up. I am having a hard time getting used to the windows in this door, but I will come around.

Today, they finally pulled the truck out, swept up, put tools away, and tried to make it like they found it. They are getting better at it.
 They also pulled in a pressure washer and did my back deck on the house which is dangerously slippery with years of pollen and moss. Also did some yard chairs, the front walk, and the breezeway area that is also covered in moss. They pretty much pressure washed everything in sight that needed it.

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If it dries, I will get some deck treatment on it, I have a ton sitting here, but I am not sure when it will dry with the weather forecast. I may just treat it anyway and hope it holds, just to get the material used up, I have had it for years.
They hung a new gutter on my porch roof, we worked together to get a header and tarp up over the wood pile to help shed the rain and did a bunch of other stuff. They left at 3 to go do some of the regular work (fall cleanups, etc). It's not a roof, but it should help the rain and snow slide off. Certainly, it will get us through this first winter.

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 A pretty good day, nice to have these guys help me out. We used my rainwater system and pump to supply the pressure washer and it worked pretty dang well. The tank kept up with the 275 gallons they used and I pumped another 150 gallons from my backup barrels to refill it after they finished. The barrels are closed up now for the winter pretty much. If I can get it full again I want to hook up my 150 GPM gas pump with a 3/4 straight bore fire nozzle and blast out my culverts. That would be my shutdown process for the tank to empty it and close it off for the winter.

 Yes, I have been working on stuff in the shop during all this over the days since my last update, mostly that sick cookie is on my mind, but I have been doing re-sanding and urethaneing the benches I have in work, a lot of tiny pours dripping epoxy into the 4 little open center cookies I am working on and also small pours to repair a break and fill other cracks in that commission table (sick cookie) I have. It's amazing how those few simple things can fill a day from 7am to 8pm, but they do.
 Tomorrow is another day, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 25, 2020, 11:41:12 PM
Short update, not a lot going on just filling my days with stuff that has to be done. Not even sure when I did some of this stuff, it just all flows together as I go from 'thing' to 'thing'.
 I have that sick cookie I have been working on in dribs and drabs. The other night I did a pour to finish the repair where I broke it off and then I pulled off what I guess some folks are calling a deep pour to fill in a natural void where the bark and maybe rot fell out.

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Maybe you can see it better in this photo.


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I have also been painting epoxy on the edges on this slab to give me a nice clean surface that will hold tape so I can do another pour to fill in the level where it drops off on one of the ears. Not sure how that is going to work or if I can keep it from leaking out given the irregular shape, but I would like to make the top as flat as possible. This one will take a lot of epoxy (for me) and I would hate for it to wind up on the floor. I am putting a lot of thinking time into this one and will be making a jig to pack in some backing material to the edges.

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The entire ear around that deep pour drops off about 1/2" over a length of 6-10". If it works it will look pretty cool. SO my thinking here is 'go big or go home' and we will see what happens. The client expects something neat and glossy looking. I have a sanding and oiling session to do first to get the color right in this area before I do the pour.

 The other stuff that has filled my days is already fleeting out of my head. I spent the afternoon yesterday helping a neighbor cut-split-stack. Easy to do because they all turned out to work and I brought my splitter and turned the neighbor loose with it, I bucked, his wife stacked (big surprise for me, she is one of the best and neatest stackers I have ever seen, blew me away. She is a city gal, never stacked before, nobody took time to teach her anything. She is a natural. Stacks better than me, no kidding. I was impressed.) I left them in good shape, but had to get off the my grandson's 5th birthday party. Early this morning I finished up the inside trim on the back door that I made from some ambrosia maple. I tried some stuff out on it like using tung oil (won't do that again, too dark) and spray urethane (eh, it's ok, but took 3 coats). I had some arbor coat gallons and when I opened them this morning one was solid so it went right in the dump trailer, other other I could mix so I used the airless sprayer and put a coat on the newly cleaned deck but a gallon was not near enough, so I came up short and just wound up doing the horizontal surfaces. It's supposed to rain tonight. I have 15 gallons of log home sealer so I may open one of those buckets tomorrow and see if that is usable to finish off the deck. I just want to get it treated to make it last a little longer,, don't care much what it looks like. The wife, OTOH, may have different thoughts, but I am fighting the season's at this point and I can't hear her over that noise. ;D
 After the debacle of trying to get the deck done (or not), I decided to have another debacle because as I was scrounging for the deck sealer I found the remnants of a 5 gallon bucket of floor and garage paint that I bought for the first loft I built. I figure it's nearly 5 years old now and probably going soon, so I opened it and after a half hour of stirring the color came back and it was pretty consistent, but REALLY THICK. I cleared out the Mule bay, swept, scraped and vacuumed the best I could. I called the boss and delayed dinner by and hour, then filled a tray and started rolling. That was yet another mistake in my day. The roller couldn't roll it. It was like pushing thin gooey cement. I finally gave up and just poured the paint on the floor and spread it with the roller. The right way (I know now) is to just squeegee it out. SO I may do another coat tomorrow morning, now that I have found a squeegee leaning on the wall outside the shop (in the dark). ;D
 To top off my comedy of errors day, I had thought to lock both the garage door and side door where I was painting in case either I forgot about the paint or my son came by and didn't know about it. Good idea right? Yeah, it was of course, but when I was done I realized both light switches I needed to shut off are right next to the door I locked (one in front of the door, and of course, one behind the door). I can't find a key to the door (assuming I have one). So now the floor looks OK, but I really didn't want to leave the lights on all night. Finally I realized there was a 14' piece of trim we had primed today for replacement use on the garage soffit, so I reached with that and shut off the lights. No big deal, but I felt like I could do nothing right today.
 Tomorrow is another day and I'll try again to get it right. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 27, 2020, 07:38:15 PM
Well with the weather changing and daylight shorter I guess I am beginning to make the transition to working in the shop more and keeping the stove going. Still have a hard time keeping an overnight fire probably because I fill it around 8pm and am not getting back out until 12 hours later, add to that I am still burning junk wood and wet stuff from the slab pile and I am not too worried. The shop is always at least 62 when I get out there in the morning, so far.
 Yesterday I put a second coat of paint on the floor section, but this time with a squeegee which was a bit easier and faster, just not as neat. I let that dry all day and overnight. Started moving a few things back this afternoon between other tasks.


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 Still not sure how far I might go with this before spring, but my son got excited when he saw it and went and bought me 2 gallons of drylok so I could continue on. We shall see. Still want to float 100# or so of self-leveler to smooth off over the former grease pit. He has one of his guys that is really good at it, but who knows when they might show up. Could be this week, could be next month or later. No rush, just more work for me.
 I went back to work on that cookie today, it needed another pour (I think I am at about 20 by now, mostly small for holes) and now I am getting close on the major stuff so I had to level it up well. There is one 'wing' and this that is lower (tapers off) because of a felling cut and I am trying to make that wing level with the rest of the cookie before I do the final top pour. I had taped and damned it up yesterday and poured a full cup of epoxy. It didn't look too bad.

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There were 2 tiny leaks that sealed themselves up eventually, but I ran out of height on the tape just as I ran out of epoxy. Today I increased the height and after careful leveling, I poured another full cup. Still not enough. The photo above is before today's pour. Looks like I still need nearly a 1/2" of fill out at the edge. I am not rushing this, I don't want to screw it up and I am pretty nervous about the whole project, I tried to talk them out of using this cookie, I really did. As long as I keep it clean I can just keep adding layers. To that end, I am now putting a tent over it to keep any stuff in the air from landing on it.


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I sure hopes this looks pretty when I am done. The client wants 24" hairpin legs, so I ordered them today. When I finally get the top level I will flip it and start working on the bottom straps, which will all be odd cuts. I want to have support under it as much as possible because this cookie is too fragile to take a hit, let alone hold a screw. Hopefully the legs will show up and I can do some rough figuring on placement as I go. After the straps are done and I finish the bottom, I'll flip it back and finish the top.
 Other than that, not much done in the last couple of days, we had the Grandson's yesterday so I helped the 5 year old (his birthday yesterday) paint a little hobby knick knack box to keep his small treasures in. Right now, he makes me look good as a painter. :D
 Today, as it was not raining so I hooked up the gas water pump and used a fire hose to try to blow clear on of my culvert pipes with minimal results.
 Tomorrow is another day, we shall see what that brings.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on October 27, 2020, 08:49:10 PM
Looks great. Since they put that nice door in for you with the window. Don’t be standing around looking out 😂😂
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 27, 2020, 09:20:52 PM
Funny you mention that. I will confess to glancing out the window when I pass by, but I don't stand there. Mostly I am wondering what my nutcase neighbor is up to now. But the funny thing is the windows keep catching me off guard. Every time I enter through the door on the opposite corner and see light in the far corner (new door) I think 'Dang it! some body left the dang door open again", then I realize it is just the window. 
When I am working at the bench next to that door I keep thinking somebody it just outside the door looking in (it is the end of the woodpile). Yeah, that door is throwing me off, but not in the way I would have thought.
 It does add more light to the bench area during the day, and outside the door for getting wood at night. It is also a lot tighter than the old one for sure. Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: farmfromkansas on October 28, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
Is there a different epoxy for joints than for fills?   Was thinking of using some for glue joints in my projects, and Doc mentioned hammer handles, thinking I might try that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on October 28, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
That big cookie is going to turn out very nice.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 28, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
some of the casting resin that is clear and can be deep poured has less strength.  you can get the syringe double plunger style with a mixing nozzle for small stuff.  the deep stuff needs to remain clear and not over cook itself.  most brands will have a summary chart showing depth and strength.  that deep pour is big enough to help stabilize that chunk I think.  i just watched the glue webinar by @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498) on the NHLA website yesterday.  for epoxy as an adhesive, you want to keep the joint thick so there is enough chemical heat to cure the epoxy.  he spanned the gamut on glue and joint failure, from carpenters glue to urethane.  I would use the regular epoxy for a joint, and low viscosity to stabilize punky (Styrofoam) type wood.  @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on October 28, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Doc, you are spot on.
  There are a number of different types of epoxys', meant to do different jobs.Certainly reading and understanding the manufactures intent and instructions is a must.Temperature, temperature, temperature......... ;D
I use about six or seven different types of epoxy in the shop,15 to 50 gallons a month total.
  PUR glues are second favorite, and hot melt PUR for repetitive work,jigs, etc.
 Frankiln Titebond 111 about a gallon a month, an excellent glue !  Rob


Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 28, 2020, 04:15:58 PM
is the 111 meant to represent 3 (three)?  I assume.  my fav. also. occasionally some TB 1.  If you buy the gallon, but like the quart containers, I have called the company since you cannot buy the same top, and for free they have sent me new caps with the pull on/off cap.  seem to be a customer oriented company.  I buy gallons and refill the smaller ones.  You can add up to 10% water if the gallon gets to thick ect.  per the company.  thanks Rob.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 28, 2020, 05:55:58 PM
I am probably being very bad but right now I am only using one epoxy for everything and I have gotten lucky so far.... ;D. I hold to the "One Man, One gun, One Load" theory which I learned from another fella back when I was shooting a lot. The theory is you select one gun for yourself that fits and performs best with your abilities, then you work up the proper load for that gun for you that gives the best hitting power with the best accuracy you can maintain, then you work with that weapon and load until everything is totally natural and repeatable in any condition. At that time you can think about looking at another gun for a different purpose/use. 
 AT this time I am learning to adjust my mix as required watch the temps and how it behaves under different conditions so I can predict curing times, etc. As yet I have not found anything this brand is poor at but I don't do the kind of work Tule Peak does, probably never will reach that level, I am just a hacker and a faker at this stuff.
 I did my 3rd pour today to bring that wing level up, about another cup full as I work up my confidence. It is slowly getting there. I keep it tented all the time now to prevent any dust from getting on it between pours.
 Nebraska, I sure hope you are right, the client offered me a lot for this I would hate to disappoint him.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on October 28, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
great lesson about the gun.  glad it is working for you.  if you do pours that are following the directions for the product you should be ok.  it looks like you are making progress.  I ignored the directions with the regular epoxy and did a thick poor, and it was smoking and bubbling, and looked like burnt candy.  I went too thick with some pine cone nuts.  It sanded out and looked ok.  I had to fill the holes where the bubbles were.  added "character".  do not get too brave with the chemical reaction.    :o   epoxy is not a gun!   :D :D :D.  love the story though.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 28, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
Well those shooting days are pretty much over for me, it was BK (Before Kids) and got a little expensive. I was handloading and shooting 200 rounds during the week, and a few hundred more on weekends.
 As for the epoxy, I haven't had any incidents like yours....yet. but I have had a few catastrophic leaks, which is also expensive.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on October 28, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
Well a fairly boring day today, more of the usual. I did another pour level on that cookie end and it it still not up to level. I will be patient and do about a cup a day, maybe one more will do it, but I think I might need two. It is hard to guess. Just as I finished the pour my son showed up with his guy and we did the thinset leveler over the grease pit. Tricky stuff to work with and we weren't perfect but the floor is much flatter, an most important, much smoother.

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After it hardened, I put a 2x6 across and can still see 1/2" belly in it. When the floor was first poured they put a slight taper in toward the pit and when we cemented over the pit we made it flush at the edge. So now we are trying to even that out and get a relatively flat floor.


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I think we might have tried to work it too much as it got close to setting up, so we have some waves. You don't get much time with this stuff. ;D
We may get one more bag, mix it a little thin and just pour it out down the center and let it level itself, then call it a day. I will wait a month, then paint the floor in sections as I can make time. There are a couple more cracks I would like to fill, just because I can, before I paint.
 The rest of the day was just cleaning up and some more sanding on other projects.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 03, 2020, 05:54:37 AM
Well, I got up early in solidarity with my wife who had to leave at 5am to go work at the polls. I will go over to vote in a little bit. Let's hope for the best and 'that is all I got to say about that'. ;D
 The days are flying by and a lot of the time I don't feel like I am making any progress jumping from thing to thing but I guess it all moves forward a little each day.
 I am focused on that large punky cookie. Would love to get it done and delivered soon, but I have to take my time and not screw it up. Over the last few days I have done more filler pours and a couple of edge pours and spot sanding where needed. Right now I am working on the bottom to get that finished before I do a final sand/pour/sand/polish on the top then get it out quick before it gets dirty.
 The bottom is what it is:


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 After the power came back on yesterday I started working on the support straps. It is the only way I see this thing surviving for any length of time. I had planed up some ambrosia maple for this purpose last week and I cut and fitted them to give the best coverage I could manage without getting into curves. 


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It was slow going drilling each screw hole and trying not to break through. I am holding the straps on with brass screws. (#10 x 2")  Then I test fitted the legs with just 2 screws in each so I have marker holes after sanding and finishing to drill the rest.


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Of course I did the obligatory flip and test to see how it looked.


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 Then I took the legs off and top sanded the straps so the blend edges matched, then removed the straps and finished the sanding. Gave the straps and bottom one more coat of Tung oil and hopefully today I can finish off the bottom with a coat of urethane.
 In the last few days I have picked up all the fine grit sandpapers I need for polishing and yesterday the kit with the 3 compounds arrived so soon we will see what kind of a nightmare that might be. :D
 Considering I lost 6 hours in the power failure yesterday an only managed about 7 hours of work time I didn't do too bad. It is coming along.
 Today is another day, but first I have to vote, then get to work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 03, 2020, 07:21:59 AM
Hey that is looking great!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 04, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
OGH,

   I did not see this to reply yesterday as, like your wife, my wife and I got up and spent the day working the polls. Long day but we had a good team to spend it with even though opposite parties. The lead was one of my wife's former students so it was a good visit.

    Anyway I checked my crystal ball this morning and when the smoke thinned all I could see was a happy customer's face when he sees that slab.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 04, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Just a short update, yesterday was pretty good (work wise). I put a final coat on that live edge bench and (I don't think I say this often) I am pretty dang proud of how this is looking, especially with the live edge. This looks wet, but it is not. The finish is really good. It is just pretty.

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I also did my first ever sand and polish on that cookie epoxy. This is something I have been sweating about. I didn't know if I would be good enough to get it clear. This section is clear enough to make me happy, you can read through the 1-5/8" thickness. 

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I did some finish coats on the bottom and let them dry. Will see what I can get done today, we have the boys.
 Gotta get to it.


Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: btulloh on November 04, 2020, 10:05:04 AM
Nice work on the sand and polish.  Optical grade result. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 04, 2020, 10:48:47 PM
That's some purdy stuff there!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 05, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
Well today I got the cookie prepped for the big 'money pour' to finish the top off, or so I had hoped. I also had hoped I wouldn't blow it and have big leaks and a mess. I kind of split the difference. 

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No real leaks to worry about but there were 2 or three spots where either I ran out of epoxy to cover or it perked into the wood and gave me a stippled surface. There was no time to mix more before setting took hold and working it further would have made more of an uneven surface. Here is a bad spot:

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And this one is worse:

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 I confess it took a lot of fortitude to just let it ride and walk away. I just checked it a few minutes ago and except for those bad spots, it all looks pretty good. I had a couple of pinholes where some came through the tape, but they self sealed. My plan now is to do another layer that will fill in the pockets and bring it all up a little higher. I have done this before with good results. I just have to blow more epoxy on it and not short myself this time.
 The wife and I have our monthly chiro appointments tomorrow morning, so I am going to try and get up early and get this done so it can cure through the day and maybe I can pull the tape in the evening. Anxious to keep moving on this. Just a tiny bit of tackiness in it at 9:30 tonight, so it should be good in the morning. Shop temp is 73 right now, I hope that's good enough, last year this time it was nearly impossible to get good cures in my shop because of temp changes, this year, not so much. ;D
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Tacotodd on November 06, 2020, 07:10:39 AM
Looking good OGH! Looking good  :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 06, 2020, 07:34:31 AM
Well, up at 4 today, in the shop by 5 (had a little coffee pot disaster to clean up), and poured by 6:30. Starting temp in the shop was 72°, which is what I wanted. I mixed more epoxy than yesterday but still could have used more. Touch and go to spread and smooth it, but I managed this time. There are still 2 slight low areas but everything is shiny and smooth and I believe I will leave it as is unless something changes. I am finding you have to babysit these things for a couple of hours to deal with little surface imperfections and an occasional bubble that just show up. The torch is my friend here. ;D
 Here is where it stands right now:

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SO another hour or two of watching it and not raising any dust in the shop. Then I am done for the day. We have chiro appts. at 10:30 (why I got up early) and then I am taking the wife to lunch. She has been depressed lately at the outcome of the election and what it means for our financial future. So I took her for a ride to visit a client and get colors off of his furniture I am going to make a matching bench for. Today I will take her out for lunch after the Doc, then do fall cleanup and put stuff away. That usually cheers her up a bit to have it done. I will stay out of the shop except to check things and watch the temp. I am hoping to pull the tape tonight to see how much edge sanding and polishing I have to do to get this finished.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 06, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
looks great.  I will be curious about your epoxy brand and the total outlay for the materials as well when done.  you have stated you have been well compensated and that is good.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 06, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
looks great.  I will be curious about your epoxy brand and the total outlay for the materials as well when done.  you have stated you have been well compensated and that is good.
Well, I will be. Texted the client this morning with a photo and told him he needs to get some cash from the bank, it should be done in a few days unless I mess up.
 Materials (including the legs) are probably around $150 at this point, maybe a little less. My time OTOH is around 40-50 hours spread over 2 years or so.
 Going to look at that woodmaster 610 tonight, so faster than the money comes in, it goes out. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 06, 2020, 09:37:24 AM
consider it advertising as well.  he will prob. be so proud of his custom high end rustic piece of art, he will show it to all who enter his home.  maybe they will all want one.  when folks ask where I get my wood, my first response is usually "from trees".  and when asked what I do in my shop,  "anything I want".  all in fun of course.  yes even "free" trees take time to pick up and move around, saw and handle.  oh, and when asked how long it took to make a rustic bench,  I say, "about 75 years if you include growing the tree".  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 06, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
OGH,

   Good looking piece. I know the customer will love it.

    Let me know if the lunch for the wife works. If so my wife and I can take each other out too.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 06, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
Lunch with the wife sort of worked. As we were approaching the diner, my son called, turned out he was right behind us and followed us in and gave my wife money for the lunch 'just because' then he went back to work. She is still not happy with the state of the world, but a free lunch helped to lighten the mood.
 Doc, this client already has a few of my pieces around that I played with to learn some basic concepts then gave him. He shows them off at least when I am around, he tells folks "see that table, look at the grain! Tom Made that for us!" His fire pit benches a made from unfinished slabs last Christmas eve in about 30 minutes with a chainsaw and 6" spike nails. He brags on those too and I winch every time he mentions it. OTOH, none of it hasn't helped sales much. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 07, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
Well, dog tired tonight and a little frustrated. Was out in the shop by 6 and sanded all the edges on the cookie to match and blend the radius from top to sides. A little tricky given the shape, then I inspected it as close as I could. There were a couple of spots that needed a little epoxy touching up because either the sanding broke through the epoxy in thin spots or some spots just needed it. So I did a little pour and brushed that on. I started the finish work on edges in an area away from the fresh epoxy. 320>800>1000>2000 grit, then a heavy scratch remover compound (using Novus products), a lighter scratch remover, then a polish. Not happy. It is glass smooth, but the 'coloring' does not match the virgin pour, there is a very slight difference to my eye. True, like most novices, I missed some scratches before I moved onto a finer grit and those showed up in the final result so I had to go back and do it all again. Normal learning curve there. But the coloring was not right and I could clearly see where I had re-finished and where the original pour finish line was. Very frustrating and by 10am I was already tired, so I walked away to let the other epoxy dry while I thought about it and the day got away from me.
 I unloaded the truck of that dust collector and Woodmaster I picked up last night. Both pieces run, dust collector works fine. The Woodmaster is in rough shape and I will have to take most of it apart to clean the rust off.

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Then I have to make a height adjustment handle and figure out how it works. I do have the manual. 
 Then my son showed up with his landscaping trailer and we did the leaf cleanup. Last year there was 4 of us and it took 2 hours. This year there was two of us and we finished in the dark. Good thing his machines have headlights ;D.
 He left, we had dinner. I watched the news for a bit, but the polishing thing had been on my mind and eating at me all day. I went back out to the shop at 8pm and started over on the same section. I got a much better finish than before with a very nice shine, but again, it did not quite match the poured surface. I think what I have to do is sand and/or polish the entire top so it is all finished the same and has the same 'lay'. The finish I achieved tonight is very fine, shiny, clear, and quite acceptable, but not a match to the clear pour, so I believe the entire top needs to get the same treatment so there is no 'line' between the original pour surface and the re-finished surface. Only way I can see to make it uniform. Anyway, I feel a little better with this knowledge in hand, but am nervous about taking sanding paper to a perfectly smooth glass-like flat surface. I am going to pick up some 3000 grit paper and see if I can get way with that. I came in and ordered some more of the Novus products because if I need to do the whole top, the 2oz. kit I have will not go the distance. I do know this is going to take a fair amount of time to get right. In spite of my disappointment in the surface finishing issues I am really pleased with the edge blending radius and smoothing between top and sides, which I kind of developed the technique for through my total lack of knowledge. Accidents happen and that part looks really nice. I do see a few other spots on the sides that I have to sand and smooth a little more and may have to re-touch the epoxy, buy confidence in that is pretty high. Every little mark, dust spec, and wave shows up on this thing like a neon sign. This is going to be very tedious.
 Tomorrow is another day and I'll give it another shot.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: dougtrr2 on November 09, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Pictures of your problem probably wouldn't help.  Subtle stuff like that is hard to see in a photo.  Before you go to a lot of effort to fix the problem, it might be worth getting a second opinion.  I would ask your wife to give it a critical look and see if there is a real problem, or one that just leaps out to you because you made it.  We are most critical of our own work.

Doug in SW IA
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 21incher on November 09, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
I am not sure if it applies here but I have been told  never to use any automotive buffing products on wood parts  until you are sure the finish is perfect.  Many of them contain silicon that can never be completely  removed that will cause problems with future coats. Silicon can not be sanded off as it only  spreads and the automotive silicon remover does not work properly  on wood finishes. I buy the novus  products by the gallon on Amazon for my wife's golf cart and know I  had to use silicone  remover  to get the decals I made for it to adhere properly after polishing with them.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 09, 2020, 10:52:51 PM
Well I have been consumed by that cookie commission for the last couple of days. I started another thread asking for specific help with my polishing issues and the cookie project kind of morphed over their. You can catch up on that thread: https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=112730.new#top
 Anyway, it came out OK.

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 I'll take final photos tomorrow when it is really done and the legs are back on.
 The polishing work is very tedious, so I have been slipping out for breaks to enjoy this incredible weather and get a little more of the fall prep work done. I emptied my water storage tank by using my 150 GPM pump and a fire hose with a 3/4 bore straight nozzle to blow clear some culvert pipes (with mixed results). I blew out my hoses and put some other outdoor stuff away. between sanding/polishing sessions.
 I am keeping the woodstove in the shop going even with the 70° temps during the day because it drops at night and the shop cools really fast overnight without heat. Also I really like making coffee on that woodstove in the morning. :) So I fill it at night and it is at about 65 when I go out in the morning, I rekindle it to make coffee and then let it limp along all day choked way down, but enough to hold the temp at 70 and keep the fire going, then re-stoke it in the late evening again. Mostly I am still burning junk. I throw in good wood overnight, but put a few green pieces in the mix that burn slower. I have emptied the bin of all the end cuts and short nubs I had, but that carried the shop in part for several weeks, so there is that.
 I have also continued to monitor the attic temps to see if it is worth going ahead with that fan system to suck heat from the attic during the fall and frankly it doesn't look like it is worth it. That attic heat is very fragile and not what I have thunk it would be. The temps are just not there except for a very short week or two. Lately even with this nice clear weather and sunshine, it just isn't there. But I haven't given up on it, I'll keep and open mind and keep watching.
 It's late, I'm pooped. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 11, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Well, the table is finished. I have to get the client in to look it over.

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I hope they like it, I kind of hate this part where where all the 'why does it look like [this] or [that] and there is always the chance that what they clearly asked for, not that they see it done leads to the suggestion about something different they would have preferred to have seen. It doesn't always happen, but when it does I get really short with my patience. It is what it is.

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Done.

I haven't mentioned but the last few days I have had the free entertainment of looking out the side shop door to watch my neighbor (the junk collector) working out in the swamp with a big excavator he borrowed 'from a buddy'. I have no idea what he is doing but he is working pretty close to the water (a drainage creek) and he is making more of a mess than he had before. Still it has been humorous to watch him try to operate that big machine. Of concern is that he lets his 9 year old kid run around where he is working. Still, it's none of my business. Well around mid-afternoon yesterday he got it stuck.......pretty good.

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 I would have loved to hear the phone call of him calling all his 'buddies' for help. He even tried to pull it out with his SUV (this gives you an idea of how he thinks). He got somebody to come with a huge articulated CAT loader and that guy got him out. Pretty soon he is going to run out of 'buddies' to borrow things from because I know he is going to return this machine with the entire undercarriage and tracks packed with mud. Pretty much the same as he returned most of the stuff he borrowed from me in a broken or damaged condition. (I stopped loaning him stuff a year ago after he returned a brand new, used once, battery load tester and it was fried. He said it never worked. Funny, worked just fine for me 20 minutes before I loaned it to you.)
 Anyway I am concerned what he is going to do to this waterway because right now it is a mud wallow.

 I also had a nice visit with NYBHH yesterday and he brought over some cherry slabs. He came up with an idea for a bench design we would like to try, so we spent some time brainstorming while we watched the drama next door. It was a highly enjoyable visit.
 Time to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 11, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
I knew that window in the door would come in handy!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 12, 2020, 08:51:55 AM
Well, with that cookie done I did a little (tiny) bit of cleanup yesterday and started thinking about 'what's next?'. The neighbor was working on that excavator until 10:30 the night before and di about the same last night. It is very distracting because after 4 days I see he has still not gotten a grasp of the controls on the machine and spends more time trying to figure out which way it goes with each control. Yesterday I saw he had his 9 year old kid tucked in the bucket about 10 feet off the ground and was swinging the turret around at full speed. Scared the crap out of me. Jackass. Yeah, none of this is any of my business of course, but I know when somebody gets hurt, and the screaming starts, I am the guy that will wind up mitigating it until the ambulance shows up. For now I keep my mouth shut, but another thing that bothers me is this guy operating that machine in the watercourse and the mess he is making out of everything. I did check and it is not on the list of controlled or monitored water courses in this state and I think what he is doing might be legal if not ethical, but I am sure he did not check and has no clue. I do know if a logger did that he would be screwed, no doubt. At this point my shop window is a community "entertainment center' and several folks have stopped by to watch the show and shake their heads. We have now nick-named him 'Ding-Dong' and it seems to fit. I get text messages "Is ding-dong still at it?" during the day. ;D I think he is going to work today, so no show for me, which is a relief.

 So trying to get that off my mind I turned toward the next project, which is a joint venture of sorts (there is a pun in there that will remain secret until we get further along) to test a design idea.

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I spent several hours chiseling, drawknifing, and finally sanding off the cambium to clean it up gently. This one is Cherry and if the idea works, it will be cool, but it goes well beyond pressing my skills and tools, so I will say no more until things progress. ;D

 The client for the cookie table was supposed to show up and see his table 'after dinner' last night, but he stood me up. That seems to be his style and I never hang my hat on anything he says, still it aggravated the heck out of me, and no I am not going to text him with reminders, I am not his mother. He is also known to be a little slow making payments but always in a rush to get his work done. (I know none of you guys ever have these issues  :D.) My son does a lot of work for him and it is a real sore point for him, having to chase his money. 'nuff sed on that.
 Today is another day and I will see if I can sneak over and see what the total damage is that ding-dong has done, although he is not done yet.
 Time to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 12, 2020, 09:25:11 AM

   Nice looking curved slab. I see "Bench, Bench, Bench..."  lights flashing. I gather this one is fairly fresh. I have used a wire brush to knock off the punky sapwood on slabs like that in the past when it was soft enough.

  On the slow pay customers I figure that is a one time event. After that it is pay with the order. I may have the time but I don't have the temperament to chase down my pay. I have a neighbor who recently bought $180 worth of walnut from me that I let him have on credit and he said he'd split the payments the first of each month and he was beating my door down looking for me both months till he paid it off as promised. I was in no rush for him but it was reassuring to see people like that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 12, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
Those slabs have such nice curves and look so sexy naked!  
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) - About a dozen or so of these slabs have been stickered drying in my barn for about 18 months now and apparently the bark was not all happy about letting go.   Your intuition was spot on as to their final use.  These were never exposed to UV so they will hopefully oil out close to their original coloration.  Can't wait to see how this progresses.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/48169/cherryslabs.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605198139)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 12, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
Well the cat is worming out of the bag here a little bit. Brandon brought these slabs over to use for a design idea he proposed a month or so ago which also intrigued me. Hence the 'joint venture', but without letting too much else slip, the leg design on this is very complex for me to pull off for several reasons and it is the jointing that presents the big challenge, so another 'Joint Venture'. I planed it this morning and it is very white at this point, but when oiled, some color should pop back. (Any suggestions for a good product for Cherry grain would be appreciated. we are both looking into this.) Right now I have dumped epoxy into all the drying cracks on the bottom, then I have to do the top and sand it all off. SO probably Saturday before I can start making sawdust on it again. In the meantime I will start thinking about the cutting and jointing jigs I have to make.

 (BTW Brandon, I chose to smaller of those two book matched slabs to begin with, saving the better for later.)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 12, 2020, 02:23:35 PM
indoor, or outdoor location?  Danish oil with a top coat of spar urethan, satin.  for me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 12, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
This one is strictly an indoor piece. Shooting for high end classy with pretty wood. Modern rustic I guess you could call it 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 13, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
Well a full day of pressing ahead and I am not doing any work after dinner besides filling the stove before bed. Lots of thinking and detail work today on this new piece. I sanded the first side after epoxy crack fills, flipped it and epoxied a few more cracks on the other side. Then I turned to planning and making the first jig I need. Hopefully I only need one. Here's a hint:

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I had tried to do this without a jig, but proved out what I knew, it was a non-starter. So I made the jig and did some test cuts with pine. They came out pretty close, but not perfect. Still I think I can make that work. I spent the afternoon looking this over, playing with it and thinking on it. There is a huge fight going on in my little brain right now between my machinist precision and my woodworkers precision and this project really requires machinist precision in wood, to my mind.

 In the evening as I was pondering, my cookie client showed up and was very pleased with his table. I offered to deliver it tomorrow, but he wanted to take it himself (I didn't expect that, he rarely does anything manual), so I loaded it up in his jeep with a blanket and off he went. Hopefully he will pay me in a few days (yeah, I know but...).
 This cleared that thing out of my way and now I can dug out the router table I bought with my table saw and never used once. I need it on this project. That is the job for tomorrow, to get it working, make a fence and figure out the next steps. I'll give y'all one more little clue which will likely make it all clear, it's all about the grain pattern.

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 Tomorrow is another day, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 13, 2020, 11:04:43 PM
looks like a "waterfall table"!!! ??????
does the jig just ride against the fence?  some would add a strip to go in the miter slot for stability.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 13, 2020, 11:09:13 PM
But..... its not a table. the miter slot would hinder my artistic freedom. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 14, 2020, 09:01:59 AM
Artistic freedom aside I wonder how a jig that was a 45° V that spanned the blade and rides in both miter slots, have both pieces pre-cut at 45° then clamp them in the V to do the final pass on both at the same time. As long as the jig is 45° any inconsistencies in jig or blade angle should not matter?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 14, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
"Kerfing" the joint.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 14, 2020, 09:47:29 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 14, 2020, 11:14:58 AM
Well there are always a handful of ways to do anything. I am using this on the table saw and on the router table, which is why I can can't use as strip in the table slot.


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More tonight, back to work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 14, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
OK, long day and I am pooped. All day on my feet pretty much. Don't know if I will go back out after dinner. I have tickets for an online concert at7pm, and by the time that is done...

 So this morning I pulled out the router table, which is home made and came with my table saw. I have never used it and it was in a corner so of course I had to do some cleaning and re-arranging to get it out. I took the motor out, cleaned it and set a 3/8" straight slotting bit in it and put it back in the table. It's not a very good design and has no allowance for chip removal, so I have yet to work on that because packing chips are an issue on this job. Anyway I made the stuff I needed for a fence guide and begin and end stops, this will be a blind spline joint. I clamped up the pine sample joint I had made and tried it out. Worked OK, so I did the other half then found some stock to make the tenon. My wife was painting downstairs so I didn't have room to set up the planer to make something proper, I just winged it on the table saw and sanded for a snug fit. The joint went together well enough that with careful and proper clamping at the glue-up it will be a clean joint with very minimal gaps and it will be square which was what I was most sweating over. I didn't bother to glue it.

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 SO now it was time to cut on the real pretty wood, but I just couldn't bring myself to jump in. My wife suggested I try a test joint on hardwood. I took this further and grabbed a well dried maple slab off the pile that pretty well matched the cherry slab in all sizes. I cut off a chunk and set up the planer and cleaned it up. I also planed a piece of Cherry to 3/8 for the tenons on the good slab and a piece of Ash to the same dimension for this new test bench. This maple I just sanded after planing and didn't go through the epoxy and fine sanding steps. I took it upstairs and laid out my square cuts, set up the jig on the saw and cut the angles on the top and one leg and rough clamped them up to see how the matches would look. The live edges are my concern.

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So I am pretty happy with that matchup. The waterfall effect with the grain in this piece of Maple came out pretty ok too. You see a gap in this phot because the block I used for clamping is not quite square, I just wanted to get a look at it.

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All the edges come up true and square when it is properly aligned. I need to make some good square blocks for clamping when I do the joint fitting. I was a little stressed making those miter cuts with all the clamps hanging all over and for some reason, the piece is not feeding square to the blade and burns a little. I have to step back and figure that out. Having a 3' seat sticking up in the air isn't the most handy thing to work with either. Tomorrow I will finish the cuts, then try the slots and tenons on the router making some tweaks on each step along the way.
 But tomorrow is another day. If I push further today, I will likely screw something up.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 14, 2020, 07:52:19 PM
I don't know what it is or will be but it sure looks good so far. I await further postings with bated breath. (I wonder if mouthwash would cure bated breath?)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 14, 2020, 07:56:27 PM
Its just another bench.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 14, 2020, 09:18:53 PM
no, it is a waterfall bench!  how many legs will it have?  two?   8)   :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 14, 2020, 09:21:48 PM
Yeah. I haven't figured out how to do 3 yet. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 14, 2020, 09:31:36 PM
I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 14, 2020, 09:55:31 PM
I'm impressed.
Oh don't be.... ;D I have plenty of opportunities to mess this up yet. It's a pretty simple joint really, but it has to be straight and flat for a good join. The angles have to be pretty much spot on in order for the legs to come in at exactly 90°, and the mortises have to be dead perpendicular to the edge faces and both at the exact same distance from the inside edge in order for the outside edges to meet perfectly when it is glued up. Then of course I need a nice snug slip fit for the tenons in each slot. SO let's all just wait and see how I find new ways to have this go wrong. I know lots of guys do these all the time with ease, but my equipment is not really close to cabinet maker quality or accuracy, so I am having to think of ways to minimize the risk of errors a little bit harder. It's a lot more work than I expected. But, it might look cool.
 Or, it might be a bust. Brandon asked me to try it and supplied the wood and a lot of design ideas as we talked it through. I don't want to let him down.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 15, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
Hey, its looking great!  I’m impressed too.  Don’t worry about letting me down!  There’s plenty more wood and this is suppose to be a fun learning experiment for both of us.

Edit:  I have one of these (tenoning jig)
https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB (https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB)

It was donated/given to me and I’ve never used it before.  Let me know if you think it would be useful.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 15, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
Nope sorry still impressed.  :)  That joint is past my current pay grade and equipment, not saying I won't try it, just not soon.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 12:31:26 PM
Edit:  I have one of these (tenoning jig)
https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB (https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB)

It was donated/given to me and I’ve never used it before.  Let me know if you think it would be useful.  
NOW you tell me this?! ;D :D >:( Yeah, that would have been pretty handy and saved me making the jig. It would also allow tweaking of the angle to get it more perfect. Not sure if it will match my table slot and hopefully the tongue is removable for use on the router table, but yeah, I would like to try that out.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
Nope sorry still impressed.  :)  That joint is past my current pay grade and equipment, not saying I won't try it, just not soon.
OK, tell you what because this is also above my paygrade and pushing my equipment, if I do manage to pull this off, I too will be impressed. It's just that I know me pretty well and suspect I will screw this up somehow.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on November 15, 2020, 02:22:19 PM
nd the mortises have to be dead perpendicular to the edge faces and both at the exact same distance from the inside edge in order for the outside edges to meet perfectly when it is glued up.
Just theorizing...  IF the outside edge does not exactly line up, couldn't you ease the corner (round it over) a bit to hide the screw-up enhance the waterfall effect?  Or would the grain distort on the round edge and not line up?  Maybe practice on the pine and oak samples?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on November 15, 2020, 02:40:42 PM
Edit:  I have one of these (tenoning jig)
https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB (https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-tenoning-jig/h7583?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_FFLXIxIlLcJpSKROFhcte-j68iFx-8-LQtDnlj5Nf9C7DOxQQEYBMaApuHEALw_wcB)

It was donated/given to me and I’ve never used it before.  Let me know if you think it would be useful.  
NOW you tell me this?! ;D :D >:( Yeah, that would have been pretty handy and saved me making the jig. It would also allow tweaking of the angle to get it more perfect. Not sure if it will match my table slot and hopefully the tongue is removable for use on the router table, but yeah, I would like to try that out.
After watching the two videos, while a very nice jig/tool, it wouldn't work for your application.  It only flips down to 75° so you wouldn't have been able to get your 45° end cuts with it.  It was not designed to do that.
A little fussy but to do the end cuts you want, I use a sled on my table saw and tilt the blade.  The sled allow you to get a very square and even cut and is fairly save/secure as the large boards are flat on the table.  For the spline cut, that is where a biscuit cutter would shine (don't have one of those).
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
Yeah ljohnsaw, on closer inspection it appears you are correct, that fixture won't swing down far enough and that is a shame. Their designer came up short on that one. It would have been perfect.
 Well this afternoon I finished the cutting and mortises on the test bench. Lots of little things to figger out and get used to. I cut the tenons and they fit very nicely (accidents happen) and put it together to look it over. Turns out, when I glue it, I think I can just use one clamp.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201115_160038419.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605487740)
 
The joints come up dead nuts on 90° between the legs and the top. Really pleased with that and the joints fit pretty nice.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201115_155653763.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605487698)
 

One of the issues I was concerned about is that as a live edge, nothing is perfect and the fold over corners would not match. Some came out very close, others are like this.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201115_155633450.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605487725)
 

Not a big deal and not a screw up by any stretch, but I will have to deal with it in finishing. I have not glued it yet, actually I am going to use epoxy because I think it is stronger and will fill better and it will be yet another 'experiment'. Truth is, as a dry fit it doesn't even need a clamp and looks pretty good.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201115_175130647.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605487759)
 

 I will glue this up tomorrow (I may just do one leg at a time because of working time) and while it is curing I will start cutting on the Cherry slab. No screw ups yet, and mostly what I learned was small technique things to either make it easier or a little more accurate. In any event, it's not a 'bang it out' kind of project, taking care and time with each step and cut matters.
 So far, so good, and Nebraska I am getting closer to agreeing with you. Right now I will just say that I am relieved I haven't mis-judged something and needed a do-over. I just keep learning as I go. And tomorrow is another day, right?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 15, 2020, 08:20:29 PM
   Okay, now for the real challenge - with a bench that thick I think you need a drawer in the middle. ??? ::) :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
  Okay, now for the real challenge - with a bench that thick I think you need a drawer in the middle. ??? ::) :D
OK stick that idea in your ear!  :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 15, 2020, 08:50:22 PM
Hey, be careful! I am real sensitive about criticism you know. I just thought you wanted a challenge. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 08:54:55 PM
Hey, be careful! I am real sensitive about criticism you know. I just thought you wanted a challenge. :D
The question here then become are you more sensitive to criticism, or am I more sensitive to folks adding to the complexity of my projects when I am already stressed out? :D ;D Just askin'
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 15, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
you should watch Dr. Wengerts webinar on glue if you hav not.  I think he would recommend glue, or keep the joint loose so the epoxy has enough heat to cure.  looks great, 2 legged bench.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 09:05:49 PM
you should watch Dr. Wengerts webinar on glue if you hav not.  I think he would recommend glue, or keep the joint loose so the epoxy has enough heat to cure.  looks great, 2 legged bench.
Yeah, that is in my queue to watch I have just not made time. Maybe if I am up early I can get that one in. Yes, epoxy needs space for sure.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 15, 2020, 09:45:19 PM
Very impressive indeed Tom!  Don’t stress!  I hear wood actually does grow on trees and there is plenty more where that came from.  Its not walnut ;).   I’m driving back tomorrow evening and Cello has her CT scan on Tues but I may try and get over for another visit soon.  Looking forward to hearing all the little tips and tricks you’ve picked up and what your thoughts are on doing several more (If they sell as well as I suspect).  The first one is spoken for I believe.  👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 15, 2020, 10:10:58 PM
Well I didn't really find anything mind boggling, just mostly ways to operate my stuff to get the cuts right, but the mis-match issue is something I pondered for a bit afterhours with a beer in my hand and another for backup. I believe if I am really careful and measure the individual piece to select the proper place to cut the seat from the legs where there is minimal change in the width I can minimize the mismatch on the edges between legs and top. I think this is important to the aesthetic in so far as is possible, the curves and angle of cut on that first one also have an impact. It's complicated to make things simple. On this sample bench I left the cambium color on it, so sanding down to the white will really show up when I make the blends. On the Cherry it is all white, so I don't think it will show much but who knows until we put the oil on?
Come for a visit any time, and hey bring Cello if she is up to it, that would be fun. Bring that Grizzly jig and we can look it over. I think the 75° limit kind of takes it out for this one, but I would still like to see it to figger it out.
Sales? Hah, I can't seem to sell much, if I made decisions based on sales I would be pretty bored. ;D
edit to add: Monday we have the boys, Tuesday I should have a zoom meeting at some time I don't know yet (apparently I am teaching for the college again in the spring semester), and Wednesday on looks really clear.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 16, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
said a small, tentative voice from the back of the room "More gruel, please sir and I think a magazine rack on each end would be a nice touch too ..." :D :D

   Remember - they always said a camel is a horse designed by committee. Wait till we all add a suggestion or two.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
You are a sick puppy with a little cruel streak. ;D  :D
 Ok I will add it to the list of options. How about adding and electrical outlet for a lamp or tv?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 16, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
   Okay and maybe a nice mortise in the middle sized to fit an umbrella pole just in case it is sunny outside. :D

    I wonder if anyone ever made a bench with rockers? ???
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
Think of the liability insurance you would need. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 01:55:05 PM
So, a little lunchtime lesson:
When you do a joint glue up with epoxy you have to be efficient, when you do 2 joints at once you have to be efficient and fast. When you do 2 joints and fill a large void, you have to be efficient, fast, and lucky. The epoxy hit critical mass as I was nearly finished and I could not get it all in. I wound up with a blob leftover which I am calling 'plastic art'.  ;D :D

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201116_103614327.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605552788)
 

But it's done for now and curing. Will pull clamps this evening.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201116_102507537.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605552782)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 16, 2020, 09:17:53 PM
OGH,

   Its looking great. Question - is the stretcher on the bottom a permanent or temporary fixture? I can see the value of a stretcher but that looks lower than I would expect it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 09:38:39 PM
Funny you ask that. I had done a test clamp up and checked squareness on everything and it was dang near perfect. When I did the real epoxy glue up this morning it was not perfect so I had to scramble to cut that spacer to get it a little better. It is just jammed in and a big part of the reason I ran out of working time with the epoxy. This bench will be a seat and 2 legs, no more. Very simple. I had also planned on gluing this up and moving on to making cuts on the Cherry bench, but this gave me enough headaches and things I didn't like that I held off. I think I have them figured out now, but I still have to figure out how to deal with them (2 different things) on the Cherry and get it right. So I am waiting until this test bench cures and I can rectify the issues remaining. My machinist brain will just not shut up and I have to get it right. I did a touch up pour this evening to fill in the big void and try to fill some joint cracks (good on the first, not so much on the second). The big void is a legacy branch inside the tree from years ago that just grew over, decayed and fell out. I figure I will polish that epoxy so you can see thru it. There is another very old bug hole I think, about 3/8" diameter, I left that untouched because I thought it would make a nice natural pencil holder. (so one can do the crosswords in their magazines that come from the handy magazine rack if/when I add it. ;D)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 16, 2020, 10:07:57 PM
   I may be wrong (I was once before that time when I thought I had made a mistake ::)) but I'd feel a lot safer if that bench had a stretcher or 2 triangles (cut as 2- 45*'s & a 90*) on the bottom side  hidden at/under the connection points to keep the legs from spreading and breaking. That's strange because when I make a similar sized bench with 4 Mortise and tenon legs I feel totally comfortable sitting, standing, jumping, etc. on them. I guess it is the type joints and fastening that are concerning me.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Yeah, I realize I never put up a clear photo of the hardwood joint, actually, I never took one so... But I do have a slightly better one in the first test joint than what I had back on the last page of this thread.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201114_103022368.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605583072)
 

Although that photo shows the grain is clearly going in the wrong direction on the tenon, it was just a test joint for fit up I grabbed what was handy. The hardwood joints have the grain on the tenon in the proper direction. The tenon does most of the alignment during fit-up and handles the vertical load during use. The glued joint itself handles the rigidity you are concerned about. I had some minor gaps in the joints on the test bench (which I will eventually fill) so we will see in the morning how strong this thing actually is. When done right, this joint is rock solid and there is no need for a stringer. It comes down to the strength in the wood itself and square joints.... if done right. Now my work, on the other hand... :D The tenon goes 3/4" into each member of the joint and on the test bench it is 6-1/2" long. Ash is pretty tough stuff as you know.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 16, 2020, 10:31:22 PM
OGH,

   Thanks. That makes me feel more better. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 16, 2020, 10:37:32 PM
OGH,

   Thanks. That makes me feel more better. :D
Your comfort is my pleasure. 8)
I forgot to mention, the gussets would kill the whole aesthetic concept of the bench and mitigate the reason for even trying it. We are looking for something cool that would attract the eye of an interior designer and also appeal to folks who can understand what it takes to make something like this and have it look pretty. 
 (oh and Nebraska, if you are still following, after todays glue up difficulties I am holding back on being impressed. Not for a while yet. Tomorrow is remediation day for the test bench, lets see if I can save it.) 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: beav on November 17, 2020, 12:05:11 PM
OG- I'm with wv in that that joint looks insufficient  (think 300 lb customer standing on it..). It is essentially an end grain butt joint. The spline helps but..You could add a full width glue block to the underneath and lock the miter with a few pairs of perpendicular nails. There are tricks to getting proper epoxy bonded joints. The Gougeon bros. Of west system fame describe it well
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 12:32:07 PM
Well, it is possible you are correct, and I don't have math to back up my thoughts. Maybe somebody like @Don P (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) can run some of his magic numbers and tell us what it will hold. What I can tell you is that less than 24 hours after I glued it up I tipped the bench up with one leg in the air and all the weight on the bottom edge of the other leg and then leaned on it with my weight and can't make it flex. As far as standing on it in the normal position, this will have no problem with just 300#. It is incredibly strong and rigid, but more testing to follow. I am doing some fill pours now just to close gaps, then some more testing before finishing.
 By the way, I assembled this thing with no clamps or glue and could sit on it with no problem. It was, of course, very shaky, but the tenons alone hold the weight easily.
 If I have to put blocks and screws in, then I will just toss the whole idea because the beauty will be gone from it for me. I want a thinking person to look at it and wonder for a bit how it was done.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 17, 2020, 12:54:49 PM
sounds like you did the test, and it should be ok.  and if it loosened up ore the years, would not be a catastrophic failure.  depends on what the children decide to do with/use it for.   :D
that joint is popular with table makers now.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Don P on November 17, 2020, 06:06:07 PM
The joint could be stronger, how strong do you need it.
I can attempt the math, it's really just a cantilever so as simple as it gets... but, even after building a hydraulic test machine for glueups at the furniture plant my favorite way to test stuff was to get somebody with a sense of adventure up on it and then kick it. Kinda hard to beat a real world test.

Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 06:38:43 PM
Well it could always be made stronger. My feeling after having my hands on it is that it is more than plenty strong enough, especially with the tenons in it. However some are looking at it and have doubts that it is safe over the long haul. I disagree. I suppose I could go back to my EMS and rope rescue3 training and say that for a factor of safety, you assume the maximum human load is 500# and test it to that level. I have little doubt this will hold up without any problem. I just have to find a 500# load I can put on it to prove it.

 What say ye WV and Beav, if I load it with 500# will you be comfortable with that?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 17, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
OGH,

   I was comfortable when I saw the spline and tenon arrangement. I was thinking it was just surfaces being glued.

   I have a 500 lb brother so are you asking to borrow him? We have been looking for work he can do sitting down so this sounds like a win win situation.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 07:18:10 PM
Tell you what, I'll pay $60./hr for his services but I can't cover transportation, lodging, or expenses. I figure I might need him for about 5 minutes. Can you check with his secretary and let me know when he is available? 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 21incher on November 17, 2020, 07:31:33 PM
I read an article a while back that said polyurethane was the strongest glue for end grain applications. Apparently end grain is like thousands of little straws that the glue gets pushed into. Yellow glue and epoxy don't penetrate very far and shrink slightly reducing the strength after drying where polyurethane expands up to 2 inches into the cell structure and expands as curing. I have not tried the polyurethane glue but apparently Franklin says it's stronger for some applications.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 17, 2020, 07:39:06 PM
it can also be a mess, gews out on everything, and hard to sand.  like squirting expanding foam in a void and trying guess if it is enough or too much.  I would experiment a little with it before i used it on a finish piece.  but I agree with the concept.  watch out for the gorilla to sneak up behind you.   :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 17, 2020, 07:42:00 PM
how bout 400#s and some bluegrass music for the side stress.   smile_banjoman
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on November 17, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
I will play the bass. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
I suspect epoxy is similar in that respect because it really wicks up in the grain. I can tell you this joint is impressively rigid.
 I had a zoom meeting this morning with the main instructor over at the college to discuss the course we will be team teaching in the spring semester. Guess I am back in the game for a little while. Still not sure how I feel about this.
 I spent the day doing spot pours just to fill in little gaps (they drive me crazy but I have to make them go away). I will have to do some more tomorrow because everything is at a different angle. Running out of other places to pour the excess epoxy. Boring day all around, I did go and look at a tree job for some musician friends. A 40" dbh maple, long dead.  Steep slope but a pretty easy fall, but there is one big leader that concerns me. The tree has a lot of rot and pithy stuff. You never know where it is going to break. Might get one of my pro friends to do the drop.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
Interesting thought Doc, I don't know that the music would add much stress thought. But you put me onto and idea, the real test would be to bring one up to my camp at the Grey Fox Festival. It would get good use and testing at all levels of sobriety, weight, and loading scenarios.

 "It isn't a band without a bass" Bill Keith
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 17, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
toe tappin and head rocking.  sounds like a real test to me.  it looks great, and sounds like you tested it well.  go for it.  maybe a little dancing on top with the lady that sings at the end.  ...   ...!   :)

All About That Bass - Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 08:48:21 PM
Well, it's not quite that elegant Doc. I had something more like this in mind, in fact this video was shot in my campsite in the artists camping area. All pros and very good. It's a shame you don't get a better look at the bass player in the second tune or the young gal in the bikini (careful what you say, they are both friends ;D). The cellist is my good friend Rushad, one of the best in the world, and the banjoist is Ron Cody, just super technical player. The bassist is (was) his wife Wendy. I can't recall the guitar player's name, and the video was done by another good friend Fred Robbins who has an amazing archive of recordings of the best of the best in Bluegrass and beyond spanning back 40 years.
Rushad has a habit of acrobatic moves when he is playing and would actually be a good test of the bench. I have a funny story about that, but some other time. Anyway, 'my crew' back in 2013 when times were simpler:
Campsite Jam 5 - Foggy Mtn Special, Jerry's Breakdown - Grey Fox 2013 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3XKthImI7g)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 17, 2020, 09:50:43 PM
Enjoyed that one, you can post more.   Looked like a good time. Congratulations  on the teaching gig as well you have much to offer to other people.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: farmfromkansas on November 17, 2020, 10:07:50 PM
I enjoyed that one, it was great!
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Post by: beav on November 17, 2020, 10:11:08 PM
Get wv's 500 lb brother to dance to some kick@ss bluegrass on it and I'll give in
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 10:28:24 PM
The world that these high end musicians move in changes fast, that seems like such a long time ago but they were wonderful great memories and I am still close with Rushad and follow his life turns, Ron is traveling a different path for the time being and I look forward to when we can ne together again.
 Rushad is a fascinating guy, he plays everything fluently from classical, through heavy metal. Folks who like one genre can't seem to tolerate the others. He can has and often played hanging upside down from a tree branch, played while crowd surfing on his back, jumped up on speaker stacks, hung from rafters, and a few other 'odd' things. I have been with him walking into a new performance space and he looks around for things he can use, or perhaps hang from. When I hosted him for a house concert on short notice I knew I would have to build a stage. I framed it with 8/4 maple and decked it with 2 layers of 3/4 ply and supplied him with a 40" 4 legged maple stool I knew he could stand and dance on, and he did, of course. I made the mistake of using 1/4 round filtches for the corner posts on the stage to hold the lighting up and told him he could NOT hang from those. Instead during the show he took some bites from the bark on the filtches to make a point in the story he was telling the little kids in the audience. When he arrived and saw the stage he said 'Aw man, you didn't need to do that for me, it's beautiful!" I said "Ru' I know your shows, if I didn't build you a strong stage my homeowners insurance would never cover the costs." He looked at the ground and said "Yeah man, I guess you are right."  :D :D Anyway, it was a night I will remember for a long time. I could post some of his other stuff, but a lot of folks here would likely not care for it at all. ;D By the way, for anybody that knows something of modern Bluegrass, Rushad was one of the founding members of Crooked Still. You can find very many videos of his work on you tube, just search 'Rushad Eggleston'.
 This video was shot the day before Rushad arrived in camp. More really good players. Big Scotia is a standard we all like. I am actually sitting in a chair in the background on this one. Staying out of the way is the least I can do when good folk are playing.
Campsite Jam 1 - "Big Sciota" - Grey Fox 2013 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S3W9DUPubs) 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 10:32:32 PM
Get wv's 500 lb brother to dance to some kick@ss bluegrass on it and I'll give in
I'm only 183 but if I jump up and down on it and wiggle a lot will that work for ya? (It may not look to pretty.)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 17, 2020, 10:44:14 PM
Ah, you guys threw me down the rabbit hole looking for videos and I got sucked in. Reliving some very good moments that will always be dear. I found this one, Farewell Blues, which is one of my favorites and I remembered that I was suffering from the heat and taking some recovery time in the camp while this jam was going on. I am in the background of this one too which is how I remembered my issues that day. Average temps were 95 that week and I worked out in the sun for much of it. SO I took an afternoon off, had a shower and sat in camp. Most of the time I miss this stuff while I am put working. That was a superb year.
 Farewell Blues:
Campsite Jam 3 - "Farewell Blues" - Grey Fox 2013 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5Vc-xzOnQ) 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 18, 2020, 09:38:05 AM
Tom, neat videos. good music. Congrats on the teaching gig. I bet you are going to enjoy that. My wife retired a little over 10 years ago from her high school band teacher job when she got an offer to take over a local college and community band as an adjunct professor. She did that then asked them to let her teach photography classes and they agreed and set up a class or two each quarter. She had a real free hand with them and the students would help pick where they'd go for their "labs". Once they went to a local State park with an old water powered grist mill in a snow storm and met a well known professional photographer working on a Travel Magazine article and he had waited a year or more to catch the weather right for that shot. He talked to the class at length sort of like a workshop or such. Another time they visited a local junkyard and took pictures of trees growing through old wrecked cars and such. She had a blast with that job. The kids wanted to be there and were interested and anxious to learn and no small town politics to contend with. One quarter the college called the day classes started and asked her to teach a photoshop class as the teacher quit that morning. She did and had 3-4 ex-cons in there as part of their program to learn to be tattoo artists. She called them her jailbirds but they were all respectful to her and were good in her class. The college folded and sold out and the new one who took over did not offer those classes but it was good while it lasted. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 18, 2020, 09:45:31 PM
Well, that test bench isn't finished but nearly so. I figured out how to get the leg bottoms final trimmed so it sit with no rock and a dead flat floor. I may put some thin glides on it when it is done, just because. I keep doing some small epoxy holes and cracks (I can't seem to let it go) and those are still curing in a few areas. but it is looking pretty good.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201118_204548238.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605752582)

 It is rock solid stable, very pleased with that.  
I could wait to see if/how the ambrosia colors would come through with some tung oil, so I did most of the top and sides. The camera messes with the colors whether I use flash or not, but it looks pretty nice.

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The flow of the grain came out pretty spot on and flows nicely.


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I still have a lot of sanding and finishing to do on this one after the epoxy finishes curing (I am done....I think) and I sure would like to find a different finish to put on this besides urethane. I'd like something more clear.
 Anyway, I also was filling tiny cracks on the cherry slab and tomorrow I will likely start cutting on that now that I have some things figured out.
 We have a new fridge being delivered tomorrow, so I figure that will take a chunk out of my day. There will also be a fella in my shop welding on one of my son's plows so I have to get some stuff covered up. All in all, it looks like a lower output day than normal, but tomorrow is another day, we shall see how it goes.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: jeepcj779 on November 19, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
How did you do the trimming to get it dead flat with no wobble?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 19, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
How did you do the trimming to get it dead flat with no wobble?
Well, I fell back on my machinist ways. I don't have granite surface plate big enough to handle this bench, so I used MDF on my table saw to give me a flat reference plane. I flipped the bench over and shimmed it to take out the wobble (top has a slight twist, remember, it's a test bench), then I took a vernier height gage and checked it, turned out one leg was just fine but the other had slipped during gluing/clamping and was out almost a 1/4" on one corner. 

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SO using the gage I scribed a line to fix the errant leg, I flipped the bench up on end and carefully aligned it in my RAS and clamped it in place then cut to the line. 

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It came dang close, but still a tiny bit of rock, so I just worked with the belt sander on the high spots, checking, sand a little more, check again, etc. This last part could drive a boy crazy, but this time it took only 5 minutes for it to set solid. When I was sanding, I did relieve the center sections of each leg just a tiny bit so there is only contact at the 4 corners. Not my finest hour, but it all came out OK. I think I mentioned, I may still add some glides depending on the end user needs.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 19, 2020, 05:15:25 PM
Would it need feet or the centre of each leg scooped out a bit or the floor it sits on will have to be perfectly flat too?
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 19, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
I lightly mentioned in my last post that I relieved the center while sanding leaving 4 basic bearing points. Yes a 4 legged thing will almost never sit flat so I am considering some thin plastic glides to absorb a little of imperfections in the bench or the floor.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Hilltop366 on November 19, 2020, 06:30:31 PM
Your right, I seen the words but it did not register in my brain. ;)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 19, 2020, 07:07:51 PM
little brain... got it!   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 19, 2020, 07:20:17 PM
   I don't want to hurt you architect and engineering expert's feeling but when I want my bench legs to sit flat I turn my bench upside down on my mill. clamp it securely, set my band height at 17" (my normal bench height), open my blade guides out past the maximum width of the bench and make one pass. For me this cuts all (2, 3, 4, 5 or more if used) the legs exactly 17" high and all at the same angle and they will sit square on a level concrete or wood floor every time. No fuss - no muss. Hey, but that's just how us laymen do things.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 19, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
Well Doc has his box method with the pull saw and that obviously works for him, but I have never tried it, and you have your sawmill method, which I have used often and plan to continue because it works well (until it doesn't). However, in this situation it seemed to me that it required a different approach. With stick legs I don't think you can beat the sawmill method, but these are 2" thick slab legs being end cut. I thought (first) that this would cause chatter on the mill either in the blade or leg movement, and second, as these legs have a parallel set of edges (the top edge and the bottom edge) I could could easily run them against the fence on the table saw to make them identical, and third, It was dang cold outside (20°) and 70 in the shop, so given these choices, which way would you go (not withstanding your close relationship with tables saws ;D (sorry, I could not let that slip by))?
.....
 Today was a very productive day all around. I went out early and stoked the stove, it was 52 in the shop and my epoxy from last night didn't cure fully. >:( Came in the house went over the daily plan with the boss, and read some forum stuff before getting to work around 7:30. Tried sanding the test bench, no joy with that soft epoxy so I put it to the side and threw more wood in the stove. ;D
 I brought the Cherry slab upstairs and start laying out my cuts but something was bothering me. It looked like, because of the curve in the wood, it might tend to tip over backwards (or forward depending on orientation). This bothered me enough that I kept laying out CG diagrams in my head and looking at it from all angles. I finally used my option to 'call a friend' and got hold of @nybhh (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38169) and we had a zoom session so I could show him my concerns in living color. We talked it through and came up with some options in case it turned out 'not so well'. I had to cut the call short because of new fridge arrived, and I helped those guys get it in after getting the old one out. Then I went back to the shop and laid out my real cut lines, went back in the house for lunch and after lunch I went out and did the sanding on the test bench. I took off all remnants of the Tung Oil I tested last night. Didn't like it. I applied a full nice coat of Watco Danish Oil and like that better, then I set that aside with a loose cardboard cover over it, for dust. Then  I did the basic cuts on the Cherry. My sons welder showed up as I was getting ready for the joints cuts and I knew he would be grinding and welding and I was trying to minimize anything that would land on my stuff. I hooked up a dust collector for him to use. He liked that a lot. I got through most of the cuts, but had to run in the house at 5pm to help the wife re-load the new fridge (don't ask). Went back out, finished the miter cuts and set up the router for the mortises. Got all of those done but one by dinner time. Went back out after dinner and finished the last one and dry fit the bench. Looks pretty good, the miters are about 1° off but I have an idea that will deal with this and if it works, it is a non-issue (remember, its epoxy, not glue, some gaps are needed). Just with the bench dry fit and no clamps I can sit on it and it's rock solid. There is very little rocking issue, so all that worry was for naught (mostly), but worth exploring. Tomorrow I will make the clamping blocks I have in mind, trim the legs (on the table saw, sorry) before the glue-up and get it done. Didn't want to start that tonight, so I pulled the test bench out and put another coat of Danish oil on it and it is beginning to look pretty good. Looked at the Cherry one again and realized I will have an issue with the long leg clamp because the legs are not parallel to each other. I will figure that out in the morning, just make some fitted blocks to match the angles. There is a chance I won't need that clamp, but I want to be prepared. I can't 'wing it' when I have wet, but rapidly curing, epoxy.
 Photos for the day. You can see my clamping issue here.

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The front (or back) of the cherry bench.

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The Back (or front) of the cherry bench.

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 The test Bench is looking pretty nice, still not sure what finish I will put on it.


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The colors don't show too well here and they are subtle, but the ambrosia is there.


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 I cranked up the wood stove during the final work session of the day and had it cooking and finally got the temp upstairs over 70°, then I choked it down and filled it, hoping I can manage to keep it warm so that the Danish oil works in. I should have moved that bench to the back of the shop where it is warmer, but I ain't going back out now.
 In general I am really happy with the test bench, it is super strong. and starting to get pretty. I am fairly happy with the cherry thus far. Not concerned anymore about that rocking and it depends on which face is the front. Personally I like having the bumps (some have another term they use for those, but I won't use that on this forum even though it fits well) in the front, I expect they will be the 'features' on this bench and in that case there is zero issue of rocking it and falling over backwards. In the other direction, it is a very minimal risk.
 A good solid 14 hour day and I have been on my feet all day, so I am a bit tired. As I was typing this post my daughter called. They have an acrid odor coming from a downstairs closet near the service panel and it's getting worse. Wondering what they should do? I told her to call 911 and gave her the details she needed to give the dispatcher over the phone then hung up and turned on my radio. It took a little while for the dispatch to go out, but the Chief called out responding in under a minute. I called my daughter back to tell her who the Chief is and what he needed to know when he pulled up. She said 'He's already here'. I noted his response time as under 2 minutes. I told her to 'say Hello to Chris for me' and I hung up knowing she was busy. It's been 20 minutes and all I know is that they have canceled the FAST team on standby and have 2 Firefighters working in air packs. I assume they have a TIC and are checking walls looking for a source. I also assume in a few minutes I will hear they found the source and mitigated it. I further assume I will be making a drive out there to help them fix the issue in the next day or so. ;D Here's to hoping my assumptions are accurate to some extent. I know the Chief there, he is one of the best and very sharp. He has a great crew, I worked with them many times on major jobs, structure fires, swiftwater rescues, etc. Finest kind of folks with big hearts. BUT, this waiting is a tad stressful and now I am thinking of all the times it was my job to make the calls and be thorough and make folks wait and felling just a tad guilty. But now I am just another bystander. Dang but I hate getting old. It's been 40 minutes now, so I guess they are tracking it down and figuring it out. AT least I haven't heard a second alarm. That would get me in my truck pretty quick. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 19, 2020, 10:26:59 PM
Tom,

  I don't think the sweep in your cherry bench is going to be severe enough it is going to give you any stability issues as to tilting over backward or forwards. It looks real good to me.

    Remember when we are talking leg cutting techniques I am making primitive benches while you guys are crafting high end, gallery worthy, furniture pieces and also that free advice is worth wat you paid for it. :D Keep that fire stoked, the coffee warm and spirits high. smiley_bouncing
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 19, 2020, 10:48:52 PM
Aw shoot, you just reminded me, I don't think I brought the coffee pot in from the shop for washing and prep for tomorrow (no running water in the shop, on the list for 2022). I wash it in the house in the evening and fill it with water in the morning, then bring it out to the shop when I stoke the stove and put coffee in it, takes about 40 minutes to reach perking temp, then I notice it when I hear it boiling over if I don't notice the smell of fresh coffee perking first. ;D
 It's 11pm, it can wait until the morning. :D
 As for the bench, it is what is is. You pays your money, you takes your chances. :D I just like to try new things, and this is new to me. It's all good. Someday maybe I will develop some skill at this stuff, but for now, I just make do.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 20, 2020, 07:32:00 AM
Tom by the looks of that bench you are making do just fine. Work like that and that cookie table you just did should put a little "walk'in around" money in your coffee can. Nice work.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 20, 2020, 07:56:43 AM
I think they both look amazing and I really do love that look of the clean simple design (not simple to build though) coupled with the organic flowy shape of the live edge slab.  The whole thing is just very attractive to me and I think your idea to do a single waterfall with a pin leg on the other end would be very cool too.  Perhaps that is an option for the “brother” slab?  (That one is clearly the female ;)).

The sap wood/heart wood of the cherry really does remind me of a river as well so I think the waterfall effect of that corner detail will look amazing if the finish is able to bring out that contrast in the wood.  

Hope everything is ok at your daughter’s house.  Looking forward to my tutorial!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 20, 2020, 08:19:50 AM
Update on my daughters place: They are all fine. It took the FD over an hour to find the problem even with a TIC, It turned out to be a crack in the wall thimble where the woodstove chimney exits the basement. It was likely a defect in workmanship on the chimney builders part (who happens to be the same guy the owns the place and rents to my daughter and SIL). The crack was allowing heat to leak out of the thimble and into the sill, the gasses traveled along the sill until they reached an uninsulated closet where they entered the structure. Had they not found it, the sill would likely ignited at some point. Close call for sure. The building inspector condemned the chimney until repair and inspection, but the house is safe to stay in. 
 They have lived in this house around 10 years and are trying to buy it, but the landlord/owner/builder really didn't know what he was doing when he built it and there are a lot of critical errors around it's construction. It's a log cabin. Add this one to the list. In these COVID times, they are having a hard time getting by and having to use propane just adds to their expenses and makes it tougher. I am dubious that their landlord will be fast acting on this.
 But everyone is safe and will live to fight another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 20, 2020, 08:38:31 AM
glad all is well.  can you make a couple blocks that match the angle.  stick on with double sided tape to give just a little force on glue up.  If you get a joint you do not like, after it has set up, you can run a saw or router to create an even space to fill with epoxy, and "accent" the joint.  yours look good, but if you ever get and uneven joint gap, this could be a fix.  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Don P on November 20, 2020, 08:51:38 AM
Waiting on my partner to say he got the lull to fire and I'm out the door. I've run into something kind of similar recently, in this case the builder violated clearances. Take a look at, I think, a UL 1777 rated liner. I was on Rockford Chimney's site when I found a kit, there are others. That work is way down the road for me and I need to talk to the inspector about it beforehand so put it on the back burner.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 20, 2020, 08:53:45 AM
You haven't been able to inspect my work up close, but uneven joints gaps are a consistent feature in my work. It's kind of like my signature. :D
8)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 20, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
if the landlord goes slow, can you buy parts and fix it, and take it off the rent next month.  then you know it is right.  It is part of the heat and essential.  In Ks we have provisions for that.  
I know you are staying busy, but what evidence do we have that you are staying out of trouble?  :snowball: been meaning to ask.   :) :) :).  sounds like you are the leader in your family.  lots of experience and skills.  your projects are looking great!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 20, 2020, 09:13:41 AM
I'd rather not get in the middle of that. We will see how he proceeds. Not sure when I will get up there to take a look at it and what can even be seen before the tear out. I believe it is a thimble issue, but now that the building inspector is involved, best to let this follow the proper course....until it doesn't.
 Don, I could not find 1776, but I did find 1777 so I think that's what you meant. First we need to see what the problem really is and how much needs to be re-done the right way, a recurring theme with this house.
 Doc, right now, I don't have the time to get in trouble (nor the funds) so all I do is keep things going and warm and try to get work done everyday. I am starting to bore myself just a little nit being able to sneak in a gig here and there and I suspect some kind of urge may be welling up inside me. For now I will keep that cat in the bag. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 20, 2020, 11:50:50 AM
   I thought the same only with less detail, as Don on the liner. I have used them in the past with great success. I am thinking this may be a very quick and easy fix. I really think a stainless steel liner should be mandatory on all chimneys. Makes them lots easier to clean too. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Don P on November 20, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
Yup UL1777, I caught and edited it just before DB called to say he was rolling.
Here's the code reference, its a good chapter to review as well for anyone working on a chimney or fireplace. Pretty much stock language in most state codes.
2015 VIRGINIA RESIDENTIAL CODE - CHAPTER 10 (https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/VRC2015/chapter-10-chimneys-and-fireplaces)

The UL 1777 callout is section R1003.11.1
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 21, 2020, 11:29:14 AM
Unrelated to absolutely anything I came in the shop the other morning and found that somebody had put this magnetic sign on the back of my Mule.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201121_112150230.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1605975851)
 
Yeah it was my son who is finally learning the art of practical jokes. Pretty funny I thought. So then I thought about my neighbor who just got a new triaxle log log truck with a grape. I wonder if I could sneak that on there. Just picturing somebody following that truck down the road. :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 21, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
  One of the best practical jokes I ever heard about was a lady bought a new car and her next door neighbor would sneak out and add a gallon or two of gas every day or so. He asked her one day how she liked her new car and had heard they got good mileage. She said she loved it and it was getting 90 mpg. Then the neighbor started sneaking out and taking a gallon or two out. He asked her again a couple weeks later about her car and she said it was only getting 12 mpg. He told her "Yep, you took it in for service and they found they had left one of those new experimental carbs on there and they replaced it with the regular one." He heard later the lady went back to the dealer and raised Cain with the dealer demanding they put that experimental carb back on and of course the dealer had no idea what she was talking about. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 21, 2020, 12:11:03 PM
do they have a caution for elderly retired machinists?   :)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 21, 2020, 12:19:38 PM
I hope not
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: gspren on November 21, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
do they have a caution for elderly retired machinists?   :)
Hey! I fit that description! Actually maybe I should have a caution sign. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 21, 2020, 06:56:58 PM
do they have a caution for elderly retired machinists?   :)
They probably need a bright flashing strobe light and siren for that one. :D

Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 21, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
Nah, machinists do everything with precision, we don't know any other way.

 Today I took all the clamps off the cherry Bench and am pretty happy, the legs are dang square and there is no rock that I can see, so I avoided all that after glue adjustment. But as happens with epoxy, there are always gaps to fill and I want this perfect. 
 So I rough sanded all the corners to blend with each other and that looks pretty good, actually real good. Then I masked it and set it up on a 45 to allow the epoxy to lay in the crack and perk on down. Poured the first joint and went onto other stuff. 
 The maple test bench is looking pretty good and all I have on it is Danish Oil so far, which has now set, so I decided to go ahead and just wax it.

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It's going to take a few sessions to get the wax right, I am not so good at it and I keep getting wax blobs here and there. It's either technique or the right buffing rag, I will figure it out eventually. That little bug defect came out fairly nice for bringing out the waterfall effect.

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After that the Cherry bench epoxy was cured enough that I could flip and pour on the other inside corner joint.  Unfortunately, that one had a small leak and I tried too late, to *DanG it up. Will have to wait until tomorrow to see how bad it is, I might have to do it over after some cleanup sanding. Not a big deal, just lost time. Anything worth doing right is worth doing twice, right? I want this right, I think it is going to be a sweet piece. I spent a good chunk of time researching finishes for this bench today. I am figuring it is time to kick it up a notch and try something better. So I found that minwax makes a product called Grain Highlighting Finish Wax, which is used before their Soft Touch Finish Wax. This is supposed to make the grain pop. It is not cheap (by my reckoning) but it is not really expensive either, so I started looking for a distributer. Lowes carries it, but is out of stock locally. As I need to make a harbor freight run anyway, I will drive up to Catskill and do harbor freight then head to the lowes up there which has it in stock and pick up more epoxy too. Going to be an expensive day for me. So that's the plan for tomorrow morning anyway, but the wife wants to 'keep me company' for the drive, so it might take the better part of the day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 22, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
after I put wax over Danish oil, I use 000 steel wool for a light rub and to make it all consistent.  It was the final step on my favorite walnut bench I ever made.  the grain wax I am not familiar with, and it may just have stain or color added, so do a test piece first I would say.  looking great.  


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wedding bench for my cousin.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 22, 2020, 07:48:38 AM
OH thanks for that Doc, great idea! I will give that a try this afternoon.
 If you search the name, you can find a video tutorial on its use from Minwax. I think it is worth a try because I have other projects I would like to use this on if it works. Besides, knowledge is power and even knowing what doesn't work has value.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 22, 2020, 05:53:45 PM
Well today was mostly a lost day, as planned we made to the drive to Harbor Freight and I stuck to all the stuff on my list and only made one extra purchase for an angle gauge I saw and needed (can't find either of the two I already have, for months now). I was tempted a few times to grab other stuff, but there is a budget. I could easily blow 500 bucks on general supplies in there. Then we went to Lowes and wow, that is a much bigger and nicer store than we have here, cleaner too with lots more stock and items. I got the two waxes I wanted and a new can of linseed oil (mine is 50 years old and a tad 'stiff'). The wife browsed and as if by magic, she 'found' some stuff. :D So between the 2 stores, our wallets are lighter by about 250 bucks. We got a cheap lunch at a drive through, don't do that often and did the hour drive home.  I unloaded and put stuff away and it disappeared into the woodwork, mostly I just got cheap throw-away supplies and some bar clamps which I never have enough of....ever, 6,12, and 24". Got a bunch of moving blankets to cover my finished projects, some chip brushes, carpenter pencils (they always disappear), that spray gun that Rob recommended, paint filters, rags, and some other stuff. By the way I have to check with @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) and pick a bone with him, He said "get the purple one for around 16 bucks", so I did, but there are 3 purple spray guns and 2 of them are 15 and 16 bucks. Hope I made the right choice. ;D
So when I finally got down to work I did some cleanup sanding on the Cherry bench and poured some more cracks and tiny holes in joint edges. Then I got the drops and started doing some finish samples. I tried the new wax treatments on bare sanded wood, and also on a sample that had Danish oil on it. I had already done one in plain wood with just paste wax. Photos don't work for squat with this stuff, but here are the samples:
 
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In the photo, the top sample is with the Minwax Grain Enhancer and it's associated wax, the middle sample is just minwax paste wax on bare sanded wood, and the bottom is Danish oil with the grain enhancer on top. I have discarded the Danish oil from consideration, don't like it. That leaves the top two and there is only a very subtle difference between the two, but even after laying out all that money for the 'grain enhancer' I think the plain paste wax looks better, but it's a toss up, they are so close. (The cost of education ain't always cheap.)
Unless something else comes along ( I have not tried the linseed oil yet, tonight or tomorrow) I will pick one of these. I am thinking simpler is better. My daughter is a kitchen designer and install project manager and she has done a lot of Cherry counters and cabinets and she tells me I have to be patient. Every cherry job they have done looks like this wood does when installed, then when she goes back in a year the deep dark cherry color is coming out and it looks totally different. The first time she saw that, she thought the client had new cabinets made because they looked so different and she had just reviewed the installation photos before her visit. So I guess this wood requires a little faith. ;D My daughter has never lied to me (that I know of). :D
I'll get back out for a little bit after dinner when I fill the stove.
Not much of a day, but progress continues.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 22, 2020, 06:12:44 PM
The difference in price is a meter and valve for pressure adjustment. Also they sell a little water inline desiccator which work pretty well a good idea.... I have no idea how they produce and market a gun that is at least as good as the big$$$ ones for 16 dollars ?? Cheers Rob
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 22, 2020, 06:17:12 PM
Thanks Rob, I will check again and see what I bought. ;D I was just searching for where you recommended it to see what we are taking about so I could go find the finishes that would go through it, but I haven't found that yet. I have been reading the instructions on every can of finish I see in the stores now loooikng for spray application instructions and the all say 'brush or wipe', so it may be a while, but I have to find that section of the thread now that I think I have narrowed it down to the right thread.
 Thanks again, will let you know how badly I mess this up. ;D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 22, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
after I put wax over Danish oil, I use 000 steel wool for a light rub and to make it all consistent.  It was the final step on my favorite walnut bench I ever made.  the grain wax I am not familiar with, and it may just have stain or color added, so do a test piece first I would say.  looking great.  


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wedding bench for my cousin.
Doc,  stick some scotchbrite fine or medium grade on an orbital sander,,,and start smiling. Nice looking project  :) Rob
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 22, 2020, 06:31:28 PM
OGH,

  Sounds like you had a good day. I like to go to our local HF and the moving blankets, magnets, 97 cent shop brushes (They may be more by now). 6 packs of work gloves and cheap nylon tarps are some common items I get there. One of the managers is a customer of mine. he repairs old spinning wheels and buys cherry slabs to use for that and last time he spotted a handful of cherry stickers I had saved when edging some boards and he bought several of them. If he is on the register I get employee discount although I never ask for it and have told him it is not necessary.

   I made this as a prototype coat rack after seeing something @alan gage (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=36602)  made and showed on his retail store thread. I took an approximately 24" long live edge 4/4 black walnut "cookie" (?) with a lot of sapwood and marked and cut it roughly in half with a circle saw. I planed it to a consistent thickness between 5/8' &  3/4" I guess. I quartered a walnut cookie and in the end only used one quarter of it as a brace. I had extra length on the hanger screws so I screwed them on to the top half of an ash board I had ripped at a 45* angle to make my first ever French cleat. I hung it on the end of my barn as a test and realized I had the cleat hanger backwards so I removed the screws and rehung them. I wiped all exposed surfaces with tung oil.

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 I decided one brace was plenty and attached it with a long screw through the back. I did not attach to the top. I did have 2 exposed screws on the top and next time I may use a 1"X1" sticker on the back and attach to the top and back from both directions. Also cutting with a circle saw was a mistake - I need to make some kind of sled and cut my. next piece on a tablesaw for a more accurate cut so they fit better. I added a small spacer block so the rack mounts flush against the wall with the French cleat.

   I started 2 walnut benches but will list that elsewhere.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 22, 2020, 06:49:30 PM
Doc,  stick some scotchbrite fine or medium grade on an orbital sander,,,and start smiling. Nice looking project  :) Rob
ARRGH! Another neat trick from the master..... After my shopping trip. ;D I will have to look and see if I have some laying about, I should. I like scotch brite better than steel wool.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 22, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
ARRGHHH AGAIN!!!! I was just planning my week out and planning on finally getting to the county clerk now that things seemed calmed down. We have the boys tomorrow, so I figured Tuesday I would go down. As I am reading my email a few minutes ago and learned that just today they have closed the county offices again because of the spike in positive cases. ARRRRGGGHHH! I should never have delayed when it smoothed out. I confess it's hard to understand why the county offices deserve more protections than the cashier at any grocery store, but oh well. I will give them a call tomorrow and see if anything can be done. Otherwise, I wait some more. Geez this 'new normal' is getting old.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 24, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Disclaimer: in the following post it should be clear that I am not boasting about this piece. There are so many others here on the forum whose skill and deftness far exceed what I can offer on my best day. By comparison I am but a bumbling hacker. I am simply tickled pink that I didn't screw this up too much. :)
 So this morning I sanded all the little tiny epoxy fills on the Cherry bench, then I worked my way through the grits down to 320. After that I hand sanded any larger epoxy areas (there are only a few), with 800 thru 3000 grit to make it as clear and smooth as possible. About that time as I was letting the blood back into my finger tips, @nybhh (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38169) showed up for a visit. I walked him through all the finish samples I had done and got his opinion on a winner. He came down to the same 2 I picked and we settled on a final winner. Hand paste wax over linseed oil. I showed him the test bench too, and he didn't hate it. ;D
 He seemed to like how the Cherry came out, so while he was here, I laid down some linseed oil and we both like the way the grain started coming through. I think we both got a little excited to think how this will look when it ages a little and darkens up. After he was gone, I finished the first coat. It was warm in the shop, so it soaked in in short order. A while later I did a second coat. Of course, oil raises some grain and I found some spots that need re-sanding and of course the whole thing needs another fine sanding before another coat, but it is looking fairly good. In a NYC market, this would probably be a $750 bench or better. The joints were what I was sweating and I wanted to see what Brandon thought of them. He gave them an 8 out of 10. I had given them a 7. I'll work on that with the next one.
 This wood brought a lot of character to the table. Keep in mind that all the cracks you see have been filled with epoxy so it is glass smooth all over. That is not clear in the photos. So in no particular order:
One of the branch bumps, maybe I should have cut these back to the bench profile, but I left them as found and just smoothed them off.
 
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The long view.

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The other long view.

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Bottom side.

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Corner joint, pretty happy with the even epoxy line on this but I know it is not perfect.

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The grain is starting to show and it is young yet.

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Anyway, I am pretty happy with it. Looking forward to the final sanding, then getting some wax on it. This should be real pretty. Wish I had an NYC outlet for it, but we can work on that down the road. Now I am thinking about the next project, I will play some more with these blind spline joints until I get it right. Pretty soon I may be half competent at this.
 I may do another oil coat tonight, then tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 24, 2020, 08:12:10 PM
Here is one of the pics I took that shows the nice contrast between the heartwood and sapwood during that first oiling and as you mentioned, this should increase and become even stronger as it ages.

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Seems like most projects that use cherry try and avoid this heartwood/sapwood contrast but I feel like this piece is really enhanced by it as it seems to reinforce the waterfall effect.  It really does look like its flowing over the edge.  Great job!  
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 24, 2020, 08:17:13 PM
   I did not mention it the first time but I really like those cut off limb stubs. I think they add a lot of character and I really like the way they finished in your photo. smiley_guitarist smiley_trap_drummer thumbs-up
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 24, 2020, 09:01:17 PM
Here is one of the pics I took that shows the nice contrast between the heartwood and sapwood during that first oiling and as you mentioned, this should increase and become even stronger as it ages.......
Seems like most projects that use cherry try and avoid this heartwood/sapwood contrast but I feel like this piece is really enhanced by it as it seems to reinforce the waterfall effect. ...
Well, right or wrong, my philosophy in this stuff is to keep it as natural as possible and show the beauty nature has taken years to present. Trying to hide the sapwood in this case would make it look like something it is not.  Likewise taking off the branch bumps. I figured if they presented problems or looked ugly during the finishing process, I could trim them back and blend the shape into the curve of the bench. I also think doing that might have presented a very cool looking effect and I still may try it on another slab. But keep in mind, as you take them back, the heart size decreases and will eventually disappear, so it becomes a gamble. (Do you feel lucky punk? Well .. do ya?) Howard, I figured I would finish them out as presented and it turned out to look appealing (to me) so I just smoothed and rounded them for effect and comfort on the eyes (and calves).
Maybe the next one will look better, maybe it won't. One day at a time, right? It's just another bench. :D
I just came back in from the shop and added another coat, colors are darkening and I am keeping the temp as warm as I can overnight to allow the wood to soak it up. (it's 72 out there now.) Did I mention I love the smell of linseed oil? It brings back my youngest memories. Pop used linseed oil often and in the last two days I began to appreciate why. He used it on gunstocks, ax handles and a lot of other stuff, actually any 'important' wood. I think I still have the last can he never emptied somewhere around here. I love the smell and the feel. (It makes my fingers and hands feel silky and smooth. :D) He used to wipe it on a gunstock all over and get it slick, then put down the rag and continue to rub it with his hand. Said said the warmth of your hand and the friction on the stock caused a localized heat that would hep the oil soak in and penetrate and keep the wood 'alive', that is, keep it from drying out. He would spend an hour massaging a new stock he was fitting to a rifle adding a few drops once in a while, then do it again the next night and repeat for a week or so. Linseed oil and Neatsfoot oil are two of the most powerful memory smells from my childhood.
But I digress.....and tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on November 24, 2020, 09:21:36 PM
Looks great guys 👍
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 25, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
A very frustrating day today. I guess I was due. I got a text this morning from a previous customer. He is the one I gave a healthy discount to, threw in some extra wood, and he still chewed me down on the price crying poverty. Then I messed up my back putting my pile back together after he picked through every board. The resulting Chiro appointments were not even covered by the money I made for the sale. He promised me at least a half days work at the mill to make up for it, never heard a word, and he never checked to see how I was doing. All that kind of soured me on his business. He contacted me a week or so ago about needing more wood. I was direct and said "send me a specific list and I will work up the price". "OK" he says, " I will send it tonight"....nothing. This morning I get a text from him " Hey! Are you available at all today? I'd like to come pick out some maple both for dance boards and some home projects ... but I am getting kind of stumped without being able to see it in front of me. Maybe I can pick some stuff up and place the order for the rest since I might need some cuts made / prep work ". I sent him back a text and this time made myself clear, this is my exact text, name omitted "[Name] I really thought you were just going to send me a cut list. Going thru my piles was an exception last time. It made a mess and the Chiropractor visits cost me more than the lumber I sold. I gave you a great price with extra wood thrown in besides and then you 'offered' me even lower. You said you would come back and help me mill but I never heard a word. Yes, you can come look, but I am watching my Grandsons today so there may be some distractions.  The maple I have is mostly accessable, but we are not pulling piles apart so you can look at each board. I am not sure when I will have time to mill to order now and I do not believe I have any maple logs on hand. Let me know when you are coming. Around mid-day is best. "
The rest of the morning I am getting sporadic texts from him. First was the apology. Then stuff like this: " I'm not sure how the quarter system or pricing in boardfeet works, but I need the following in maple:

SHELVES
• 2 pieces; 6ft x 10" boards, any acceptable thickness for shelving

DANCE BOARDS
• 48 board feet; 3/4" thick by 3" wide
• 24 board feet; 1" thick by 3" wide.

The most important dimension for me is the thickness of the floorboards. If you have nothing at the 3/4" thickness, what could be done?

No Add'l planing.

If you have only "x6" width, that's fine. I have a cheap table saw that I can use to rip the pieces to be 3" width
 

What would be the total for the above? Can you break it out so I know how much for each item? "

I know what he is making and the numbers didn't sound right. There is no way this guy is gonna pay for 48 + 24 BF of maple, and it is WAY over what he needs for his little build project. Lots of texts back and forth with questions and confused responses separated by hours some times. Finally after a lot of teaching he seems to understand there is a big difference between Board feet and Linear Feet. He finally shows up at 5pm and buys 2 1x10x6' boards. Whoopie.

In the meantime I was trying to put some wax on that cherry bench and it is not just coming up the way I had hoped. Try as I might, it is still dull. I may be working at it too hard. So that put me in a foul mood. I will go give it another shot after this post.

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It's smooth and flat with a very nice buttery look, but I just don't know. I had hoped for a little more shine.

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I think I have 4 or 5 good coats on the top and it is improving slightly but still seems dull. Maybe I am just too picky, but I don't think so.
Yesterday I came across some roadkill firewood, nicely cut and stacked by the highway guys from a storm blow down. Took me about 2 minutes to fill the truck. Today I split and stacked it, about a half cord, and also discovered a flat tire on the splitter that I have to address on another day. First time the splitter every gave me a hard time starting. Don't know why.
We also had the 3 boys here today and they decided to play hide and seek in the shop this afternoon. Just about drove me crazy. By the time they got picked up I was just about out of patience.
Tomorrow is the holiday and we are not having the usual big family thing. Just the boys and their Dad are coming over. My Daughter and SIL will be staying at home, and my Sister will be with her 2 kids. Always next year.
Time for the evening chores.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on November 25, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
Greenhorn sounds like you have definitely had some excitement 😂. Next time tell them you got a bad back and if there going to pick through they need to stack it back like it was since you got a bad back 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 25, 2020, 09:38:18 PM
It looks good and has that natural look.  you can always go back to a lacquer or poly.  I have done the Danish oil and wax, but mostly on walnut.  as the wood darkens, it may look closer to what you have in your mind.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: 21incher on November 25, 2020, 09:55:03 PM
It looks really  nice with the natural  finish.  Put it in a sunny  spot for a couple  weeks and let the cherry color come out. I use the Johnson's paste wax and with  about  2 coats it looks good but put too many  coats on and it can get cloudy so more wax doesn't always help. Cherry  is my favorite wood.  Good job.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 25, 2020, 09:56:46 PM
I dunno Doc, I am hopeful but...
 I am sitting here reading this book that Brandon loaned me called 'Understanding Wood Finishing' by Bob Flexnor. Had I read this before I went with the Linseed oil, I never would have gone there. I think maybe I made a mistake. This book goes into great detail on exactly what is in these finishes and how they work with and on the wood and it dispels a lot of myths, ones I have held for a long time and now feel foolish about. 
 If tomorrow weren't a holiday I might be out in the shop early sanding all this off to see how I can salvage it. Right now I think I will finish this beer and head to bed and try to think about something else.
 Yes, this piece could come out looking fine if I stay the course and give it some time. But the resulting finish will do nothing to protect the wood and the finish itself. I have not gotten to the section on waxes yet but I am pretty sure the news there isn't going to be good either. This is why I am not a woodworker. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 25, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
I think this is how you become a woodworker.  someone will love it.  the wax may cause trouble with a water based finish.  if you want to start over, maybe wipe it down to debulk the wax.  you doing great.   smiley_beertoast
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 26, 2020, 12:09:46 AM
Oh man, You spent so many years at your craft before retirement and became such an expert at what you did, you just forgot what its like for the rest of us to be figuring the crap (life) out as we go!

You had your 10,000 hours or whatever it is to be an expert and that knowledge and familiarity becomes comfortable but it also gets boring as he!!.  Now you are doing something new and learning through trial and experimentation, which can be uncomfortable at times, (especially for perfectionist 😉).   I for one am super impressed by how this has turned out and don’t really see that anything has changed.   If it was good enough for your father’s gun stocks, it is certainly good enough for this bench and it seems to me like the silky fingers and walk down memory lane alone was worth it.

Its your bench of course and your decision but if I recall, there is a sister slab that can be used to try a different finish so think about keeping that as a comparison piece to see how wears and ages before sinking a lot of time into refinishing.   I personally prefer the look of this more natural, less glossy finish.  Shiny doesn’t equate to better IMHO.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 07:02:34 AM
Well the issue is, as I am reading I have come to learn that Linseed oil does nothing to create a finish. It does allow for a little bit of growth/shrinkage protection because it fills the fiber gaps preventing some moisture vapor from taking up the space, but beyond that, not much. As I said I have not read the wax section yet, but that ain't lookin' too good neither. ;D It's certainly not a failure, but I don't really like the way it appears. The piece should look better than that. I am already very used to 'starting over' with many other pieces and sanding it all down. I don't believe I can sand all of this out this time because of the penetration depth but I believe it will lighten. 
 On a technical level, I believe that only 'mistake' I made was in not giving the linseed oil more time (a few days at least), to cure up. That book sure is learning me up a lot on the technical side of things and I may need to hang onto it for a couple of weeks to get through the whole thing. Knowledge is power.
 I look at it as I made a tiny mis-step and am now going to correct my path before I go further down that road. No big deal.

 Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Enjoy it as you can.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Nebraska on November 26, 2020, 08:22:27 AM
I get that you want the bench  to be perfect in form and finish.   There's no flies in that finish that I can see, and it's a beatiful piece as I see it.  I can't imagine someone not being happy with it. Have a great Thanks Giving.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 26, 2020, 08:34:06 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.  

Hang on to it as long as you need.  I’m in drywall finishing mode for the foreseeable future and don’t expect it to help much with that 😉.  Its a good book though but I don’t know squat about finishing.  Maybe a day or two off will give you the perspective to make a decision on it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 08:37:39 AM
Well I am happy with it Nebraska, or I was until I saw the finish. It's all just a little adventure to get it right. It is pretty. But I think I can do better.
 I just came back in from tending the shop stove and I took 40 minutes or so to sand off the underside of this thing. The wax and linseed oil filled about 15 of my somewhat worn-out sanding discs. I should have just gone to 80 grit and started over, but at least I can finally throw those discs out. I am 'frugal' and save the worn ones to either use for hand sanding or some other downgraded use before disposal. They had been building up.
 I will spend some time with the book today and see if I can come up with a new plan. It's part of the trail and in no way am I not happy, just extended the length of the trail a little bit. :D
 I am not so much looking for perspective as I am knowledge Brandon. It looks good no matter what I do, but I would like to see if I can make it look better and 'discover' the right way to do this.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 26, 2020, 08:56:52 AM
sounds like you are learning a lot more, having been a little disappointed with it.
be sure to read my DSDT post, should cheer you up!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 26, 2020, 12:45:20 PM
One of the tricks working with oil is to add a SMALL amount of Japan Dryer. This dryer will "set" the oil fully hard overnight-works well with linseed or tung oil and their blends.Linseed will darken over time but is cheaper than tung oil and easier to find.
  Look at adding a small amount of solvent based poly top coat to your oil and possibly some color (brown or cherry) as a tint and you will be styling 8) This will leave you a finish to bounce the wax off of.
  The bench with the two branch knobs sticking out is VERY nice looking. Cheers  WOC
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
Well with the holiday I backed off for the day to read and think on it, then I would go out to the shop to tend the stove and go look again and think some more. As I said, I sanded the undersides this morning, this needed re-sanding anyway, some stuff showed up after oiling that I had missed when it was white. But I didn't touch the top and outsides. I read a bunch more. Funny but what you said in the previous post Rob took me about 3 hours of reading to grasp. I went out to the shop a few times to do some label reading and did some online lookups of various products I already have. The veil is beginning to lift from my eyes, slowly, but it's lifting. Now I am looking at everything I have, or have already used in a new light. Most of it I was using incorrectly and did not understand how it worked.
 My new plan is to go with the Watco Danish oil finish, which is an oil varnish blend. Do a coat a day, sanding between coats. Give it an extra day after the final coat, then maybe some wax. It should stay as a satin finish, not real shiny, and have that buttery effect. I do not think I need the Japan dryer, but what do you think Rob? If I did use it, I am not sure what you mean by a 'SMALL amount'. I figure about a shot glass, maybe 2 will do a coat on this whole bench. How much dryer would you add to that? Drops? 5%? could I do it by weight? I don't have any japan dryer and the closest I could find it actually closer to Brandon than me, but I could take the ride if it would make a significant difference.
 I went out there an hour ago and took another look. You know, it really looks pretty nice and if it looked like this yesterday I might not be fretting. But still, it is not what I was shooting for and as I already have half of it cleaned and re-sanded, I am going to continue and do the rest, just because I can. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 26, 2020, 08:13:26 PM
Watco has the dryer built in already. We use 1oz per gallon on oil blends and that is considered very strong. WOC
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 08:27:35 PM
OK, I will forgo it then. I have been satisfied with how this stuff dries anyway and now I know why, but like most things, that is not clear on the label. ;D
 I am considering that poly wipe too, but would like to see how it looks after 3-4 coats of the Danish, then decide. Considering how often my plans changed for this in the last 24 hours, I think I will wait. :D

 By the way, speaking of Danish, do you know that all Danish Boy Scouts are required to have a tattoo? Yeah, it's their Den Mark. :D ;D 8)
 (Sorry, been hanging out with Doc too much.)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 26, 2020, 08:49:12 PM
Tom,

   Sounds like you have been in the OR with him breathing too much of that happy gas. Be careful. Stay safe guys. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 08:55:15 PM
Tom,

   Sounds like you have been in the OR with him breathing too much of that happy gas. Be careful. Stay safe guys. :D
Last time I was in an O/R I was neither happy nor breathing well. (pneumothorax, 1976) If I ran into Doc it would be in the E/R where he is most comfortable and I am a lot less uncomfortable. :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on November 26, 2020, 08:58:29 PM
By the way, speaking of Danish, do you know that all Danish Boy Scouts are required to have a tattoo? Yeah, it's their Den Mark.
That's a good one but to be technically correct, that would be the Cub Scouts - they have Dens, the Boy Scouts have Patrols.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 26, 2020, 09:06:42 PM
yes, I know. 30 years in Scouting served as a den leader, cubmaster, MC, ASM, SM, and many other position in several packs an troops. Just trying to put it out in a way the general public might get it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 27, 2020, 08:42:28 AM
the walnut bench (my fave) was watco Danish oil with wax on top.  burnished with steel wool.  so to be sure, you used the boiled linseed oil?  the boiled means it has some chemical dryers in it.  as I am sure you know.  Denmark...  Denmark...  that's funny   :D :D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
Yes, boiled. You should get a copy of that book I mentioned above. Teaches you about all these finishes, how they work, what is in them, and how very poorly they are labeled. Raw linseed oil can take a very long time to dry, hence the added dryers. Turns out, that oil really does nothing to protect the wood at all but take up some space in the fibers, add nothing to the surface. Neither does wax except to deflect some spills for a short period. Hence my re-thinking of all my choices.
 I have added steel wool to my repertoire', it works good as does the sscotchbrite Rob recommended. Of course I lost my scotchbrite source when I retired, so now I have to buy it.  >:(
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 12:42:38 PM
So I bit the bullet and stripped the bench this morning and got the whole thing back to the white state.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201127_105009541.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606498352)
 
I blew through a lot of sanding discs loading up with Linseed oil even after I washed the whole thing with mineral spirits. Finally after a while it came back through. Then another wipe down with mineral spirits and a tack cloth and allowed to dry for a while, I applied the Dansih Oil Finish. It would be easier to follow the directions if they all agreed. Watco application data sheet says one thing, and the can says another. They don't agree. Then there is what my new favorite book says, which makes more sense, gives a better result than I have had in the past, and I am going with. It kind of splits the difference. One coat and I am liking it so far.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201127_115340787.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606498348)
 

It seems to be bringing out a little more of the Cherry colors, is not nearly as yellow, and has that buttery look to it. Unless something goes really wrong, this is what I am sticking with. I believe this looks good so far and it should get better after this first sealing coat. Keeping the shop at a steady 70° for this to cure up right today. Next coat goes on at about 4pm after a light sanding.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Tacotodd on November 27, 2020, 02:12:22 PM
OGH, check out any of Buckin Billy  Ray Smith YouTube about some of his axes that he re/hangs a handle on. I saw that on quite a few that he was sorta slightly burning the wood with a propane torch first and then would go back with the wotco and apply. OH man, did they look good.

Something to check out. You might like, you might not. Just information.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 27, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
OGH, you can also do a wet sanding with the oil.  it is the combination of prep. and finish,(obviously) that give you the final product.  If you like your dad's technique of hand rubbing, see if you like wet sanding with Danish oil.
I would apply the oil until it does not want to soak in, maybe 3 coats.  let it stand a few days then add the paste wax.  looking good!
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 07:22:32 PM
Yes Todd I have seen his video and that one in particular, its a nice technique and I use some of that in other projects, but that really doesn't apply to this one. But thanks for the idea. In fact I have another table I will be starting on soon (I hope) and that has burned edges on it.
 Doc, I have read of that technique, I was thinking of trying it on my last coat. If I am of a mind, I can do the 3rd coat at 9m tonight. Looking good after the 2nd one.
 After that second coat, I turned my attention to that Woodmaster planer I picked up last month. It is in very rough shape. All the lead screws are rusted badly and so is the platten. I figured I am going to need some parts, but the only way to find out is to try it out and see what doesn't work. I rolled it over by hand trying to see if the drive rollers moved, but no deal. I couldn't find a brake or disengage or anything like that. SO finally I plugged it in and fired it up to see what was going on. To my surprise, it all worked and then I realized there is a reverse planetary inside one of the pulleys which also has the gear reduction. As I said, that screws are badly rusted, but I had been hitting them with WD40 for a couple of weeks and I could move them, just not easily. SO I used a brute force tool to get the platten roughly adjusted and ran a board through. Planes out pretty nicely, there is a bit of ripping and chipping here and there, but in general it works fairly well and it never groaned.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201127_161235177.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606522143)
 

As you can see, I have a lot of work ahead of me here. But bolstered by the good results, I spent about and hours going over and over the lead screws with a wire brush and WD and working the screw up and down. It is freeing up quite a bit, but has more to go. Then I worked on the paltten with WD and some sctoch brite. I made some in-roads there too. I will slowly take it apart some more and clean some stuff up and get it more workable. I have to make new threaded pins for the roller adjusters, the existing ones are all rusted and just threaded rod and easier to make new than fixe, two are bent anyway. Normally I would take it ALL apart and do a complete rebuild, but I am pressed for time. If I can get the platten clean and smooth, the rollers working smooth and the feed tables sanded and repainted (they are a little blistered), then I think I have a functional machine. I need to get the replacement adjustment handle or make one, cut the hole for the dust collector duct, and get it going. This seems to make nice boards mush faster than that lunch box planer I have. Can't wait to get that on C/L and get it gone.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on November 27, 2020, 08:38:38 PM
Do not use steel wool on oak.  The iron reacts with the tannin in the oak and you will get black spots/streaks in the earlywood pores.  Don't ask me how I know this. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Don P on November 27, 2020, 08:53:29 PM
One thing that is kind of educational is to put a few drops of several finishes on a piece of clear glass and let them dry. That will kind of show the surface characteristics of the finish. I'm not a real fan of wax, it makes it hard to do anything else later without serious removal.

On the planer bed, get the loose rust and the rest will pretty much clean up to a smooth patina with use.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 27, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
Do not use steel wool on oak.  The iron reacts with the tannin in the oak and you will get black spots/streaks in the earlywood pores.  Don't ask me how I know this.  
   Danny,

   Now you have me worried. :( I guess I better go back and check those oak benches where I drove steel sledgehammer wedges into the tenons to tighten them. ::) I can't help but wonder if I will have the same issue. And why just oak? Aren't there tannins in locust and maple and ash and such - maybe not as much as oak but still there.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Don P on November 27, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
I don't know about your other woods but I've done it to oak several times. The worst was the tile folks cleaning up their grout alongside of oak trim, big nasty black splotches. I used deck cleaner that had oxalic acid in it, or you can find straight oxalic acid, that will bring it back. Western cedar is another one that iron stains bad.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 27, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
WD 40 has a rust removal product at lowes in about a gallon, for soaking parts.  works good, and less need for the elbow grease.  yes and @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370)  , a grainy wood can snag fibers as well.  paste wax is good on planer beds if you get them clean.  were they painted in the past.  I have cleaned rusty cast beds with a sander as well.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 09:31:43 PM
WDH, good to know, had not thought oak would suffer from that. Other species yes, but would not have guessed oak.

Don regarding the sample dot on glass, yes. In fact the book I am reading not only mentions that but has photos showing how these finishes come up when dry. Fascinating and EXTREMELY useful education. 

Tannins are in most trees as far as I know, but the levels vary by species. We here in the Catskills are very aware (well, those of us that learn from history) because ,most of our muntains were stripped clean to supply the hide tanning industry when it was in it's hey day. The is even a town between Barge and I called Tannersville and the entire community was a 'company town' involve in tanning leather complete with company stores and company housing. Prattsville, even closer to Barge was founded by Col. Pratt for the same purpose. The mountains around here are filled with old 'bark roads'. the trees would be cut and the bark stripped and layed onto sleds and dragged out on those roads. Hemlock was the most desired species. When that industry dried up (the mountains were mostly bald at that point), the chair industry picked up on a smaller scale making chairs from maple and oak and what ever else was left.
 Hemlock has a high tannin content. Still I had not realized that in a finished state there would be a visible reaction between the tannin and steel. Powerful stuff, that.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 09:54:33 PM
Doc and Don, I have done many many dozens of machine tables and machine beds and ways in general over the years using everything from a quick couple of licks to complete regrinding on a surface grinder, then hand scraping (a black art). I don't use the WD for rust removal, I use it as a lubricant as I run the scotch brite on, it keeps the junk moving off and not clogging the pad, also very good for a quick cleanup of a table with just a little light rust, it's all you need, then wipe clean. In this case I wanted to get the dirty ugly stuff (and mouse poop) off so I could see what I have. I actually made more progress than I thought, but between hand sanding on that bench and all the wiping, and then really putting my back and shoulders into the planer table, I had enough today. It was more of an assessment cleaning. I will pull off the infeed and out feed table, just sheet metal, and sand them nice and flat and re-paint. The cast table I will likely hit with the orbital sander, more scotchbrite to shine, then wax. I also have to do the blade carrier, it has a lot of rust too. The blades are in very good shape, but need some honing on the cutting edge. Rust pits really cause havoc on a clean cutting edge at a microscopic level. I need to fix that right off. While I am at it, I should also clean, sand, and repaint the cover after I cut the dust hole in it and make it all match.
 All I needed to learn today is that the machine is worth the time I will put into it, and there is no doubt this machine is worth it. I had been concerned the 200 bucks I paid would pale compared to the amount of time and cost needed to get it functional and was questioning my decision. I do however, wish it had grease fittings for at least the main bearings or the lead screw nuts, or anything else for that matter.  :D  It's all just part of the adventure, right?
Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: ljohnsaw on November 27, 2020, 10:22:59 PM
I do however, wish it had grease fittings for at least the main bearings or the lead screw nuts,

I find oiling or greasing the lead (lift) screws to cause more problems.  It attracts the sawdust the causing binding and that attracts water that leads to rust.  I've been slathering on paste wax then running the table up and down once to even it out.  Makes it slippery but dry.  Also, on the sheet metal in-feed/out-feed tables, I just sand them down and wax.  The paint is just going to rub off in time and potentially mark up your nice boards.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 27, 2020, 10:25:32 PM
 The paint is just going to rub off in time and potentially mark up your nice boards.
:DYou are making quite the assumption here. Have you seen any of my work? :D ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 27, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
to make sure, they make a product just for rust removal if you are interested.   :)

Verify your identity (https://www.walmart.com/ip/WD-40-SPECIALIST-RUST-REMOVER-SOAK/21969741?wmlspartner=wmtlabs&adid=22222222222015876456&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=10358691546&wl4=pla-1105785496860&wl12=21969741_0&wl14=wd%2040%20rust%20remover%20soak%20lowe%27s&veh=sem&msclkid=ddb7d739401a1b6471b288f8858d33b6)

it is good for complex parts and or screws ect.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WDH on November 28, 2020, 07:27:45 AM
As far as the steel wool reacting with the tannins in oak, it is more of an issue in raw wood.  Many times after I have sanded a piece, I will polish it with steel wool.  This step is where you can get iron staining issues in oak. It might be just the steel wool iron particles getting into the coarser grain in the early wood in oak and not a chemical iron reaction, but it still will affect the color of the oak piece.  

When I have applied a film finish like varnish or lacquer, the wood is sealed and using steel wool between coats to knock down any rough spots does not present a problem.  So my comment about steel wool causing iron stain in the early wood pores only applies to unfinished oak. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 28, 2020, 08:43:11 AM
WD 40 will actually pull moisture out of the air and rust your machinery. It is "ok" as a wipe down solvent/cleaner but should not be used as a protectorate film. WOC
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
WD 40 will actually pull moisture out of the air and rust your machinery. It is "ok" as a wipe down solvent/cleaner but should not be used as a protectorate film. WOC
I truly have never known it to do that. It is an anaerobic material. I used to put a layer down on my machine tables in the summer and it worked well to keep them clean, however it attracts dust like mad! AT least, that's my observation, but mostly I use it as a cleaning lubricant and light oil.
 But my big question is, what does WOC stand for? I have searched all over and am fairly certain you don't mean 'Women of Color". 'World Order Control', or 'Water Only Company'. If you tell me it's your initials, how does a guy named 'Rob' have the first initial 'W'? This is beginning to keep me up at night. ;D
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: tule peak timber on November 28, 2020, 09:26:51 AM
WOC stands for Wizard Of Crap.
  Years ago I did testing on my own of various chemicals on raw steel in the marine environment - sort of a do it yourself destructive testing. From that knowledge I picked what was best----and WD 40 was the worst.
  Do a little research on who developed WD and why........... ;D WOC
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 09:35:47 AM
OK, that definition of WOC is not in any online reference I can find, nor is it in my Machinists handbook or my Engineering handbook. But it does make sense and fits. 
 Yeah I had read the WD story a few times, but it has faded beyond memory now. I do not doubt what you say of course, but I just know what my experience has been. Of course climate has a huge impact on such things and salt water can be the worst killer there is. I worked on a job to build an environmental test chamber for a client one time to specifically test and certify the effects of road salt conditions on the equipment they built to make sure the electricals and electronics were sealed fully. I recall seeing some of the 'failed subjects', wow.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Tom King on November 28, 2020, 07:34:01 PM
I use my friend, Jack Forsberg's method on rusty cast iron tool surfaces.  I don't bother to trim the Scotchbrite pad to any shape other than the one it comes in.

Keeping cast iron tops clean and rust free the easy way - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uMrVusnaEg&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 07:39:02 PM
Yup, been doing the exact same thing with either that setup or a random orbit sander. Works great and pretty fast too with a little WD or kero for lubricant.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 08:31:44 PM
Well, this morning I did coat number 3 and it is looking better. Very satiny, smooth and buttery. Brandon thinks I should put up a new photos, but you folks have to be sick of photos of the same bench by now. The photos do not show the differences I see between coats which is mostly more consistency in the finish throughout the piece and smoothing between patches.  Just look at the last photo and imagine a smoother finish. :D I wanted to do a 4th coat this afternoon when it should have been ready, but it was just not ready. I never got the temp in that corner of the shop much over 68 today and I think it needs more time. I am determined to do this right and not rush it. It will happen when it happens.
 I have lots of other stuff to do. I needed to clean some things up from the messes I have made on the last couple of projects and I cleaned out some cluttered shelves to make them usable because I just throw stuff up there and it is now a useless mess. Then I took some finished projects cluttering my space and wrapped them in moving blankets and stacked them in a corner. That will make it tough to show them to visitors, but at least I can work now. Still have a lot more cleaning up to do, but today's little bit made a big difference.
 After I did coat 3 this morning I called the bank about getting something notarized. I have never really registered the business and I need to get that done. SO I am finally moving on that. With the virus issues the county offices just 'closed' again but they have a drop box set up. SO I filled out the paperwork and got it notarized, wrote a letter to the clerk and set up the envelope with the fees to drop off Monday. I'm gonna get this done. I also sent off an email to a gal who could help me with the logo design work done (I have 'people' ;D), just waiting to hear back. After I hear back on the business name being locked in, I can move on the artwork and getting the domain name registered. I have another friend who offered to host my site on his own server, saving me more bucks. I really want to see what I can do with a website because FB ain't cutting it. But that means I need better photos and a nice website setup which will take a lot of hours. I have 3 or 4 different folks offering to do the photos, but I have to set up a 'spot' in the shop and get backdrops, etc. I also have to re-finish or just finish some current or previous projects. AT some point I should probably set up a business checking account (assuming the will be money to handle), and I need to pick some kind of a spreadsheet software to keep track of all these expenses I have. I'm looking for something simple and free to get started. I don't mind buying something better when I need it, but for now I have to be super cheap with everything.
 So I didn't waste the day (at my age, you can't waste days) and progress is being made, but I don't have much to show for the day.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: btulloh on November 28, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
Cherry doesn’t take on its true color until a year or two after it’s finished. Can be speeded up a lot by sitting it in strong sunlight. Just something to keep in mind. 

Looking good, OGH. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 28, 2020, 09:03:06 PM
i made the mistake of paying a rustic compliment of "that looks like crap"  which was the intent to look old and worn.  and it triggered some sort of PTSD, and now it seems to of stuck.  of course it was intended as the highest of compliments!  oh "Wizard of Crap"! 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 09:10:31 PM
Yes, and as I recall, that design by committee thing did look like crap. :D But he did do a whiz bang job with it. 
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 28, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
it was a pine mantel, that started out looking new, but he distressed it in a way that made it look authentically old.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 28, 2020, 10:09:11 PM
oh, wrong project. Sorry Rob.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 29, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
Tried to give an update from my phone in the shop but I lost it when trying to do the photos. Take two:
Well I set the woodstove to 'cook' in the shop and gave it time to bring the temp up a bit, then sanded my previous coat and slapped coat #4 on. Only 2 words came to mind when I looked at it:
OH YEAH BABY!

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201129_101555523.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606663865)
 

I am not dis-pleased. ;D


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201129_101427788.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606663877)
 

Now Brandon, before you get upset, this is the wet view. After I let it set up and wiped it clean we get this:

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20201129_104350061.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1606667894)
 

I think it is pretty close to what we had in mind, it's a buttery satin finish, not glossy at all. Pending the dried appearance, I think I am ready to call this one 'done'. I don't think I want to wax it unless somebody gives me a good reason to. I need to see how it feels. If it has some drag or tackiness I may do one light coat of wax to keep it from attracting dust and dirt but not for a glossy shine. 72 hours should tell the tale.

Gearing up for the next project as this dries today.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on November 29, 2020, 12:01:54 PM
Haha, you know me too well.  It looks really great.  Can’t wait to see it in person soon.  Probably best to lay low for a week or so after Thanksgiving get togethers but I’ll try and get over before too long.  Perhaps I’ll bring the biscuit joiner to mess around with too.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Walnut Beast on November 29, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
Greenhorn your fit and finish has evolved much better over time. Great job 👍. Persistence pays off
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: doc henderson on November 29, 2020, 05:45:28 PM
the wax will make it easier to clean and or dust.  but the owner can also spruce it up now and then with another coat of Danish oil.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 29, 2020, 07:00:22 PM
Walnut, thank you. All I can say is that accidents happen ;D.
Doc, I figured that it is up to the new owner. I can wax it for them if they like or leave it as is. I will see how it feels in a few days, but I like the appearance as is, so if it is slick enough I will leave it. If it feels a little sticky I may go with wax but would rather not. I am glad I stripped off the linseed oil and started over, it was worth it.
Brandon, I was thinking maybe I could bring this over by you and it could hang out at your place for a few months? Stick it near a window where it can get some sun and watch the color grow. :D

Well this afternoon I did some more winter prep chores, moved the snow blower out to the garage, shuttled the tractors around and some other stuff, then my son called for help cleaning his chimney, so I went over there and did half of it, but the stove was too hot to pull. He can finish another day. While I was there I poked around my Dad's stuff and found a long forgotten carpenters saw box, a vise, and some other little stuff I brought home.
The box had some surprises in it.

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Those top two saws are a pair of Disston's (cross and rip), the third is an Atkins, two no-names, and I can't read the name on the bottom one, but it is a very heavy thick saw, kind of odd.
There was some goodie3s in the tool drawer:

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Some are in great usable shape, others need work and repair.  That nice socket chisel has been beat on pretty hard without a handle and I don't know if I can fix the socket but I need one that wide. The real treat in the box was this spoke shave:

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It's made of wood and the blade setting method is pretty unique to my experience.

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Lastly, I brought home this vise, which is also seldom seen these days.

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Both of those funky jaws rotate individual and they are mounted on a turret which also rotates. Good for holding odd shaped pieces. I don't think you can buy these anymore. I found a couple for sale used at over 500 bucks a pop. Handy little thing.
SO anyway, it was a day, I got some things done. Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on November 30, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
It was a rough day inside my head. ;D
 I got up before 4:30 (I know this because the coffee pot goes off at 4:30 and it had not started yet). I came down and checked on my FB page and finally discovered that FB had removed a function which excluded about half the content on my business page. I spent an hour tying to figure out what happened, where the files went and how to get them back. By 7am I was seething with rage when it became apparent that they just decided it was 'going away'. I wasted more time when I found my files trying to save them locally and did the beast I could but the formatting and photos are pretty much toast.
 So I went out into the shop at 7 and was in a 'not so perky' mood. Got the stove fired up and started working on a lamp table for the house. I have a badly cupped, but pretty nice RO slab I don't want to cut up for firewood. We have a terrible lamp table in our living room I can't stand and the other night I asked the wife, if I made a table the same size, could we get rid of that 'thing'. She said 'sure'. So this slab is not likely to turn into something somebody would buy but I am still exploring this waterfall joint thing. Now when a slab is not flat, it is really hard to get the cuts right for that 90° miter joint.
 So I looked at it and looked at it and told myself I was a fool to even try to make this work. But this other part of my brain said "what the heck, lets see how far we can push the joint and the epoxy". This joint for sure would need epoxy because the gap is bound to be huge (in places). It's an experiment in the truest sense in that I expect it to fail. There is a low chance of success here. But I have always been a long shot guy and I never tire of laughing at the stupid stuff I try. If, by some small chance it works, it will be the first piece I have made that makes it into my house.
 So I suffered through the cuts on the table saw and blew the breaker 4 times when the blade bound up. Then I got through the mortise cuts on the router and surprisingly did not blow the breaker again, but it sounded like the router might blow. I wound up with some parts that look like this:

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That one photo should pretty much tell the whole tale right there. :D Ignore the white tape, that is in anticipation of major epoxy leakage and other issues. ;D I looked at it a while longer and decided to wait until the morning to do the first epoxy work when I am fresh and can handle the disappointment better;D. 
 Somewhere in the middle of doing the cutting work I took a break to run into town, pick up a couple of necessitates for the household, and drop of the registration papers for my business in the anonymous drop box at the county office building. Hopefully they find the paperwork and cash in order and that shows up in the mail very soon. I need that to move other stuff forward.
 We got (so far) close to 3" of rain today. The place is a giant swamp, standing water all over. It's depressing and having an effect on me. Between the FB crap this morning, the inability to have done any of the shows I had planned on for the summer, the virus, not being able to go out and enjoy some live music created by good friends that is such a big part of my life, the home online school thing with the grandsons that creates so much stress for the adults, and all the other stuff going on because of this virus, and I am depressed. Just not a good day for my head. It's not the way I had always hoped this would go. My retirement was a few months earlier than I planned because of the virus, and everything else just went to crap in a cascade. The SS income is barely cutting it and I had hoped for better by now. I guess I should have done a better job at figuring out the changes in the game as they happened, but I didn't. I will figure this out and we will get through it fine, just as we always have before, but I know the next 6 months at least are gonna be tight, with lots of miserable weather and me trying to figure out how to maximize my time and effort. Do I plan for some good shows in the spring summer, or assume it will be mostly another wash and find other outlets, if there are any? I need to develop a web page, I need to figure out this bookkeeping software, I need to do a lot of things I am lousy at. All this was running through my head all day.  Some days are like that, my Dad would say. You just have to carry on, and so I shall because there is no other option. Get through it.
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on December 01, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
Well a long day for sure today, just finished up. I woke this morning to find the swamp out back was flooded more than I have seen it in 20 years. I thought it was just all the rain, but man, that was a lot of water. All my lumber racks were islands surrounded by water. and it was more than puddles, it was shin deep in most areas. The water was all the way up to the back fence and didn't seem to be going down. The rain had tapered off last night. This was worrisome.
You should not see water in this photo, the creek runs through a culvert right underneath this ground.

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I don't ever recall getting this kind of water around my cold storage shed. The floor would have floated if there was nothing in there. The water is ankle deep in front of this.

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 AN investigation revealed the issue. A culvert section (plastic) downstream had been eroded around the front and the front floated up allowing almost not water through. Quick fix. Things started flowing like mad. It took about 5 hours to drop the water level of about 1/2 acre of water around a foot. The creek was back in its banks by about 3pm, but I still have a lot of water coming through from 'the pond' that ding dong next door 'built' 2 weeks ago. Anyway, that pretty much took the first hour or so of the day.
 When I got in the shop I started working on that lamp table corner glue up. I got everything laid out and ready to go before mixing the epoxy. Just before I started to mix, I got a call from the county clerk about my business registration. Seems there was a small error in the way I filled out the form and she wanted my permission to fix it. She said everybody makes that mistake, the form is confusing. She assured me it would go through and go out to me in today's mail. So I am good.  :)
 So I mixed my epoxy and glued my joint and got it clamped. I has stuff left over, so I took a block and started messing with colorings in the epoxy. I just did a bunch of sample blobs with different colors as it was setting up just for practice. I just came back in a few minutes ago from taking the clamps off and given the huge gaps I had because of the cupped wood, it came out better than I hoped. I do have some secondary fills to do, but a lot less than I expected. More work on it tomorrow.

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While that was curing I got back to work on the Woodmaster. I got the platen cleaned as well as the infeed and outfeed table. I put a quick coat of paint on those tables.

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 Then I pulled the head apart and cleaned all that up as well as getting the bulk of the rust off the roller itself. I had stoned the blades. They are in pretty good shape and careful working on a bench stone worked very nicely and they are 'quite sharp' and I did it without putting a single slice in my body parts. ;D I lack a gage for setting them and will work on that, but hopefully they are pretty close (I didn't touch the adjusting screws). I also has to make one new feed roller pressure adjustment screw to replace one that was badly bent.

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 That all made for a full day and all that standing was wearing on me. So I 'quit' for the day, came in the house and went and bought my domain name, had a consult with my internet/hosting guy and spent two hours watching YouTube instruction on using WordPress. By 9pm I was cross-eyed. Long day. The boys are coming over at 7:30 tomorrow morning, so I just filled the shop stove, have to do the house stove, then off to bed. Hopefully I can do some work on the cover for the woodmaster tomorrow. I have to call them and get some stuff for it, but I was waiting until I went over to see what else it might need or broke off as I worked. I also have yet to read the manual on it, so maybe I should do that too. ;D
 Tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: Old Greenhorn on December 03, 2020, 08:26:11 AM
Yesterday was pretty much another steady work day but intermingled with the boys being here and 'needing stuff' and messing a little with my domain name re-assignment to a different server/host. As I am heating the shop full time now, I hate to let that heat go to waste. 
 I did some sanding on that table now that it has cured from the first glue up and set it up to start doing fills. The dang gap is smaller than I thought and it is a real bear to get the epoxy to perk down into the tiny openings and perk the air out. I tried to do some fancy masking to keep the epoxy up on top as gravity did it's thing. 

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Mixed results on that. ;D Anyway, I let it set until about 9 last night and pulled the tape (always a good idea before final hardening). I moved on (bac) to the planer. It's been a while since I did any cutting with a disc grinder to pencil lines but I managed to get my hand back into it. It really empties my compressor fast, so I alternated with a jig saw to get the corners square. After I cut the hole and deburred it I laid the hood on an drilled my holes. One of the screws that holds the top on was coming up right into the edge of the hood. I am sure the pattern was for a 712, not a 612 and nothing is going to be perfect when you are trying to make one add-on match several generations of changes. I made do by adjusting that screw so it registered in the hole, but did not protrude all the way through the cover. After some ditsing around here and there and making adjustments, I stuck it on.


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 It doesn't look half bad. I finished off by putting some wax on the bed of the planer. Now that I am looking at the photo, I really need to paint it. I wasn't going to bother, but clean paint just looks good, or at least better. I don't have any gray and I am not running out to spend money on more spray paint, so maybe I will go with an orange? ;D
 I also really need to do something about those caters which are cracked and broken and do not roll in the slightest. I will look around today and see if I can dig something up in the shop. I think I may have something somewhere. :D UPS tracking tells me the knife gage and handle should arrive on Tuesday. I am hoping for better but can wait. Anxious to try it out.

 After all that standing and bending my back was a bit sore and it was around 3:30. I checked and saw that my DNS transfer had gone through. So I came in the house and did the initial setup on WordPress then poked around. I am not familiar with this software at all. It has been decades since I made a web page, things have changed a bit and I feel like a dinosaur. I have a lot of learning to do and I know this will be painful for a while. I just need to buckle down and learn it. I figure there are some bad weather days coming along here somewhere and this would be a good time to sit by the woodstove and develop a decent site. I know I could pay somebody to help me do this but the way I look at it, the web page is another tool. Just as if I added a jointer or some other machine to the shop, I would have to learn how to use it in order to maximize my capabilities. I will just have to put the time and effort in. In addition, I don't have the cash to start paying folks to do stuff for me unless it is something I just don't have, or can't develop the skills to do. To that end, I have an artist that will help me with a logo design. She makes amazing stuff in short order and I can't touch those skills. I'll get through it even though I know I am in for many hours of frustration. Right now I am at a de3a stop anyway as I wait for my DNS provider (another friend, hosting my site for free until I get settled in) to give me a FTPS user account. Can't do much without that but look at tutorials and try to figure out my way around this 'thing'. I was up messing with it until 11 last night. I foresee many late nights until I figure it out.

 Well the creek is inside its banks and running a little slower to drain, but still flowing steady. We are entering winter now. I got below 30 last night and I got out and restarted the shop stove at 6am. It was 60 in the shop. I did a little cleanup sanding on that table and will have to do more teeny tiny fill pours today to finish filling those cracks. Then flip and do some more. This may go on for a few days.
 I am beginning to get a feel for home the shop is holding heat now and think the wood heat is do-able. I do wish I had a bigger stove that I could load more in, like the one I have in the house, but that will have to wait. For now I seem to be able to keep it around 60 overnight and can get it up to around 67-70 in about 2 hours. On really cold nights it does get down to below 60, but not by much. Getting that stove packed full is the tricky part. I am already getting a little tired of filling that stove every night after 9pm, it's like going out to tend livestock, you have to do it like it or not. Same thing in the morning, I have to get out the as early as possible to fire it up again. That idea I had about pulling down attic heat seems to be a bust. Glad I waited until I collected data. Even on a sunny day if it's cold out, its cold in the attic. At best, there appears to be about 2-3 weeks where I might be able to draw some heat in for a couple of hours a day, then it just doesn't work. So I might do something quick and dirty, but I'm not going to put a huge effort into it, it's not worth it. Maybe a simple fan with a closable register. when the temps are right, I can flip it on then shut it off when they drop. After that short usable period, just seal it for the winter.
 Anyway, today is another day, time to get at it.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: nybhh on December 03, 2020, 09:04:45 AM
Planer looks to be coming along nicely.  Let me know when you get ready to dial everything in.  I have the A-Line It dial indicator kit you can borrow.  I actually need to retune my stuff as well since I moved everything to the new building but everything is tarped in the middle of the space now until I can finish the drywall, on to the second coat now so its coming, slowly.
Title: Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 03, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
Tom,

   Sorry about your flooding problems. I feel your pain! Several years back neighbors installed a new drive to their lot and put a trailer on it. The drive was either incorrectly installed on simply placed in the wrong spot. It constantly washes out and I wish I had the muffler concession for all they have torn off various vehicle trying to go in and out. Lots of the time they park on the road and walk up to their home. I feel for them but they have made my life miserable because the run-off comes down the road about 50-60 yards to a street drain under the road right at my mailbox. The heavy leaf fall washes down the ditch and clogs the 36" square drain cover then water gets up to 6" deep in