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Title: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 11, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
I'm tired of the local supplies of Chinese sand paper. Worthless junk. I can't get good value from sand paper that last less then 30 seconds. I used to buy good Canadian made sand paper locally, but no more. So, I had to order some paper from Lee Valley and not made in China. Anyone buying that Chinese sand paper, good luck.  ::) I'm starting to hate walking into a hardware store around here. Thank goodness for internet or catalog order places like Lee Valley that tell it the way it is. ;)

There, my evening rant.  :D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Tom on March 11, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
Well!!  It's about time you made a post.  :D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: tyb525 on March 11, 2011, 08:49:04 PM
I use Mirka Gold sanding discs for my random orbit :) They last a looooong time.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Left Coast Chris on March 11, 2011, 08:51:42 PM
I strongly recommend ordering the Bargain Box of sand paper from Klingspore Workshop.   Its german made cloth backed and you will have a 5 year supply for $19.95  :o :) 8)

I just ordered (and received) the fine box and Im back in action!! :) :)
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: jamesamd on March 11, 2011, 11:02:12 PM
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Jim
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Burlkraft on March 12, 2011, 07:30:00 AM
Klingspore is great paper and so is Mirka

I have used both and both are good quality.

Klingspore is the only paper I can use multiple times on my drum sander
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: D Hagens on March 12, 2011, 02:22:28 PM

 I'm with Burlkraft, I also use 3m on the job site.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 12, 2011, 02:43:01 PM
I was just looking at some paper I had gathered over the years, MasterCraft brand. First it was made in Finland, some was by Gator in the US then Brazil and now China. The Fin and US made paper was far superior in quality to this Chinese stuff, but the price didn't go down.  ::) Gator isn't too bad, I have some orbital disks from them, USA made. I got that at Lowes in Maine.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: tyb525 on March 12, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
I bought some of that Gator stuff a few weeks ago, red discs 120 Bullfrog leg.

I thought something was wrong with my sander, till I realized I was used to Mirka, which works way better out of the box IMO.

I've never used Klingspore but I've heard good things.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 12, 2011, 08:11:18 PM
Check to see if it's Chinese.  :D :D

There is a lot more choice in some parts of the US. I'll see how I make out with 3X Norton and some of the other stuff I ordered. I've got the cabinet mostly sanded now. I know the Gator lasted a lot longer than the Mastercraft Chinese substitution. One 1/4 sheet per 3 x 2' surface. 180 Bullfrog leg. Little scratches from the coarser belt sander about drive a man nuts. :D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Ironwood on March 13, 2011, 08:45:08 AM
CARBONDUM, red. It outlasts everything I have tried, Klingspore, Sungold, on and on. Stuff is top notch on my random orbits, I think I pay 25 cent a disk (PSA), and worht every penny. When things dont work it is OBVIOUS.

 Ironwood (Sanding fool)
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Burlkraft on March 13, 2011, 09:07:43 AM
I also use Indasa paper and I like it a lot.


http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/indasaproducts.html

Lasts like more expensive paper.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: ohsoloco on March 14, 2011, 08:52:35 PM
I was just thinking about bringing up a sandpaper topic yesterday when I got my ramdom orbit out.  Are there any brands of hook and loop disks that will stick a second or third time  ???  On a small project I'll use a couple Bullfrog legs and there's still plenty of life left in each one, but they won't stay put on the sander the next time  :-\
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: woodmills1 on March 14, 2011, 09:16:08 PM
I thought the deal with hook and loop was you can reuse

I have PSA and one stick on is all you get, but they cost less
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Larry on March 14, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
Are there any brands of hook and loop disks that will stick a second or third time  ???  On a small project I'll use a couple Bullfrog legs and there's still plenty of life left in each one, but they won't stay put on the sander the next time  :-\

Most of the better brands will stick a second or third time on a good pad.  What folks don't recognise is the pads wear out in a shorter time than ya suppose.

Good excuse to buy more ros's and go with PSA. ;D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: tyb525 on March 14, 2011, 09:48:15 PM
I use hook and loop on my porter cable ros, the pad hasn't shown any signs of wear, and the paper always sticks, after more than a year.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Hanson on March 14, 2011, 10:42:19 PM
I have always used Mirka gold with good results on my RO, I just picked some Mirka belts for my 2X14" Porter Cable belt sander and so far they are 100% better than anything else I have tried.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: DouginUtah on March 14, 2011, 11:03:59 PM
Are there any brands of hook and loop disks that will stick a second or third time  ???  On a small project I'll use a couple Bullfrog legs and there's still plenty of life left in each one, but they won't stay put on the sander the next time  :-\

You are pressing too hard.  ;)
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: ScottAR on March 14, 2011, 11:53:46 PM
3m purple.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 15, 2011, 06:43:18 AM
I was just thinking about bringing up a sandpaper topic yesterday when I got my ramdom orbit out.  Are there any brands of hook and loop disks that will stick a second or third time  ???  On a small project I'll use a couple Bullfrog legs and there's still plenty of life left in each one, but they won't stay put on the sander the next time  :-\

Mine will barely hold for the first round. The hook pad is warn out, time for a new model. Had this one for at least 15 years. You can get replacement pads, but with everything so cheap now, might as well buy a new one without farting around waiting and sourcing a replacement pad. Also I dropped it a couple years ago and busted the dust skirt and the dust bag is warn. So, time to replace. ;D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: ely on March 15, 2011, 09:40:49 AM
klingspor is top notch.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 15, 2011, 10:40:34 AM
3X Norton seems to be good to, I'm using some I had on hand. It really cuts quicker  than that Chinese stuff and I can cover pretty much a hole 2x3' surface with 1/4 square in the palm sander. I ordered some disks than should be here tomorrow. It's made in Canada.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 16, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
Just so you fella's don't have to feel bad for me anymore, I just got my shipment in today. And low and behold one of the paper brands.  ;)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Klingspore.jpg)


 teeter_totter smiley_beertoast

The rest is Norton, including my new water stones (1000/8000) for my new Veritas Honing and Sharping guides.  8) 8) 8) Hoot hoot!  Gotta love nice tools! ;)
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: Burlkraft on March 16, 2011, 02:22:50 PM
Just so you fella's don't have to feel bad for me anymore, I just got my shipment in today. And low and behold one of the paper brands.  ;)

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Klingspore.jpg)


 teeter_totter smiley_beertoast

The rest is Norton, including my new water stones (1000/8000) for my new Veritas Honing and Sharping guides.  8) 8) 8) Hoot hoot!  Gotta love nice tools! ;)

That ain't Canada made!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 16, 2011, 07:05:23 PM
Ok, let me recap for those that lost me. ;)

3X Norton seems to be good to, I'm using some I had on hand. It really cuts quicker  than that Chinese stuff and I can cover pretty much a hole 2x3' surface with 1/4 square in the palm sander. I ordered some disks than should be here tomorrow. It's made in Canada.

Ok, Here are the sanding disks and square sheets made in Canada by Norton that came in as well.

(http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Norton_Worlds_Best.jpg)

My apologies for not posting this one first. Just testing ya's to see if you was awake. :D :D

I'll see how I make out with 3X Norton and some of the other stuff I ordered.

The Klingspor is the "other stuff I ordered". It didn't name the brand or origin when I ordered the other disks. So maybe it's a clearer picture now. ;D

The Norton 8000x stone is USA and the 1000x is Mexican. They are laminated together and has a nifty carrying case. Not something for the pocket because it's taller than a pocket, but something to keep the wood dust away. ;D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: ohsoloco on March 17, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Mine will barely hold for the first round. The hook pad is warn out, time for a new model. Had this one for at least 15 years. You can get replacement pads, but with everything so cheap now, might as well buy a new one without farting around waiting and sourcing a replacement pad. Also I dropped it a couple years ago and busted the dust skirt and the dust bag is warn. So, time to replace. ;D

This sander doesn't have very many hours on it  :-\  I've been known to press too hard in the past, but really try and let the sand paper do the work now.  If I have to buy a replacement pad, I'll just get another sander and keep a Bullfrog leg on there until it won't cut anymore  :D
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: WDH on March 17, 2011, 09:50:53 PM
On my DeWalt ROS, I have had to replace the pad several times.  But, I do a lot of sanding  :).

This is the way it goes.......Cut and plane some boards.  Joint them, glue them.  Sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand, and sand.  Then finish them  :-\.
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: isawlogs on March 17, 2011, 10:06:09 PM
I get my sanding disc from this http://www.stockroomsupply.ca/shop/home/place  (http://www.stockroomsupply.ca/shop/home/place)  I usualy buy from them at the Ottawa wood show , but did not make it last year. Got to get an order in for some discs and some belts for the 3x24 sanders.
 I had to change the pad on my Makita after lonning it to my BIL, he must of sat on it while sanding. You should never push down on the hook & loop disc sanders as that will crush the hooks on the pad and it will be useless in no time. I have tried some of those wantobee random orbital sanders from whom knows where, and just cant use them, way to much vibration for my hands, I have a 2 handle Makita and a Dewalt that get used regularly both of these are low vibration handling.

  Danny , ever think of getting using a belt sander before the ROS for the glue joints, just thinking ;)
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: WDH on March 17, 2011, 11:16:19 PM
Belt sanders are evil.  I hate them  :).
Title: Re: Sand Paper
Post by: SwampDonkey on March 17, 2011, 11:30:25 PM
 :D :D Sanding.......sanding  etc infinitum continuum  :D :D

The local hardware Chinese belts are crap for one thing, but I do use a belt sander on glue ups. Orbital and palm to after that. But, yeah sanding is a big chore. :D

The disks are less with volume buying at Lee's. I Bought a sleeve of 3 Norton papers in Walmart for $4.00, they would be $3 if I just bought 3.30 from Lee's or as little as $0.80 each when ordering a bunch.

Ordered some stuff tonight, free shipping on orders over $40 for a limited time, can't remember when that ends.