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Title: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 04, 2011, 08:12:01 AM
Is it just me or do you guys keep the metal or whatever you hit while sawing?I was out in the wood shop the other day and a buddy stopped by and I ran a slab through the planer for him and he commented on my collection of stuff hit while sawing,its all stuffed up in the rafter bays! he was all over then and asking if it killed the blades ect. I,ll get a picture later today,must have 20 or so pieces. does anybody else keep them and have pictures too ;D 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/NJMP10_GRAND_AM_014.jpg) 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/NJMP10_GRAND_AM_019.jpg)   These where the only photos I had in the computer,but they are good ones :o. Chased this for an hour and it would not stop so I cut it off the end of the log and lost about 2 feet of good cherry log. lets see some pic,s Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 04, 2011, 08:22:04 AM
I have often wished that I had kept them all, but I did keep this one.  It was completely imbedded in a SYP log.
 

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T fence post.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 04, 2011, 08:32:30 AM
Magic,I havent kept all of the stuff,but I have a tool box on the mill and I throw the nails and stuff into it. I have to clean it once a year and throw all the stuff into a box. and over the years its starting to get pretty full,mostly nails from posters and lag hooks from clothes lines ;D Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Chuck White on December 04, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
I do same as Tim!

When I hit something, I'll throw the pieces in my tool box.

Mostly I'll hit nails & bullets, but once in a while, I'll get a sheetrock screw.

The sheetrock screws will ruin a blade in no time flat, whereas a nail will usually just take the set out of the blade!

I think most of this stuff is in a box on my bench!

I guess I'm kind of lucky, I don't have a big collection!  ;D
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: jcbrotz on December 04, 2011, 09:26:30 AM
I gotta get a picture of it but I just hit a horseshoe in the crotch of a walnut tree. Me thinks it was the 5th piece of hardware (nails and 2 lags) I hit I know it was the 4th and final blade. The gentleman I was sawing for then hit the horseshoe with his chainsaw mill trying to salvage the wood. I got the horseshoe its the first thing I have kept but I will keep all the "cool" things I hit from here out. I do wish I kept the porcilan insulator I hit on my very first log on the new tome woodmizer but I didn't.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Ron Wenrich on December 04, 2011, 11:04:49 AM
One year, I pulled all the nails and metal out of the logs. I filled a coffee can with the stuff.  RR spikes are a lot of fun.  So are rocks.  The most interesting thing I hit was a ball peen hammer head.

If you search the forum, you'll find several threads on trash found in logs. 
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: zopi on December 04, 2011, 01:07:45 PM
Lol...the 22 slug I divided into two eleventy elevens is in the mill box..but otherwise.no. lol
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 04, 2011, 08:29:04 PM
OK Guys, got to take a picture of my collection!

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/Metal_015.jpg) 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/Metal_001.jpg) 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/Metal_013.jpg)  These are the ones I had to dig for,I guess thats why I kept them. 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/Metal_002.jpg) 

 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/27356/Metal_003.jpg) This is the all time mack daddy of a sum b-tch,I ruined a blade,couldnt get it to back out of the kerf,wedges and all so I broke it off in the log to get head back,took the saw to get the blade out and hit it inside to log and ruined a chainsaw chain too. Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 04, 2011, 08:48:45 PM
Start a museum.   ;D
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 05, 2011, 05:05:55 PM
Start a museum.   ;D
  I,ll charge 5 cents to look at a bunch of metal in wood and a coffee can half full of cut nails :D Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: customsawyer on December 05, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
One of the worst things that I hit is cotton picker spindles that people put in for climbing up to deer stands. I don't know what those things are made out of but your blade will not put a grove in one. I have even cut a 16 penny nail in half length wise but have never cut a spindle.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: pineywoods on December 05, 2011, 08:52:28 PM
amen on the cotton picker spindles. I've hit a couple. Never even scratched them, trashed the blade..
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: dutchman on December 06, 2011, 12:56:38 PM
The worst I've hit were ceramic insulators.
There were 3 in a cherry log, about 4" in on one side.
Even skinned one with the chain saw when I cut it short.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: sealark37 on December 06, 2011, 06:50:24 PM
As late as 1940, sawmills in North Georgia refused to buy logs that came from battle sites of the War of Northern Aggression.  These areas were well known, and had the reputation for lots of iron and lead embedded in logs.  Regards, Clark
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: logboy on December 07, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
 (http://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/26719/P9182913.JPG) 

In the process of digging out the lower one I found the upper one. 24" White Oak.  I got greedy and tried to cut the log off 2 feet  away. I hit something in the very middle and ruined the chain. It went to the landfill.

Couple years ago I sawed another that was full of stain in the very middle and beeped on the detector. There was nothing there though.  It had a fence staple or something on it when it was only a year or two old.  After 40 years it was completely dissolved.

I didnt hit it but I found a 16 penny with the detector, 17' up an Ash log. Still not sure how or why it was there.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 07, 2011, 07:31:37 AM
logboy, there is always a possibility that whatever was in that log was centered in one of your boards.   ;D
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: sixteenacrewood on December 07, 2011, 08:47:35 AM
I am actually hoping to find some metal in my next tree! Next month I'll be cutting up a giant Deodar Cedar that saw the civil war first hand. If I find something I'll post a photo
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: logboy on December 07, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
 

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Magicman, it was completely gone.  I kept using the detector to see how close I was.  When I was right on it I went to town with the saw and axe. All I got was stained wood.  Too bad RR spikes and lag screws dont dissolve like that.

Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: terrifictimbersllc on December 08, 2011, 05:57:23 AM
I had one like that too, in maple.   The board sounded off at the stain but we dug all through it and nothing but gray stained wood.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Chuck White on December 08, 2011, 08:38:39 AM
Could have been residue from an old nail that had been pulled, and left particals in the wood!

A good magnet would probably pick up minute fragments from the area in question.

The reason I say this is because I have opened up logs with nails or staples inside and they sometimes look like they've only been in there a couple of years!
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 08, 2011, 09:06:23 AM
That was my concern/thought Chuck.  If a nail, etc. is sticking out of a tree, the inside part is usually in better shape than the outside part.

I now suspect that an "event" took place when that tree was small and the metal was removed.  But....anything is possible.  As logboy found no metal, maybe the tree ate it.   ;D
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Bert on December 08, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
Anybody ever wonder why you dont hit metal until you have new teeth in your saw? (or blade if your a bandmiller) I swear I could saw fence posts with a set of worn out teeth and not hit a thing, but put in a new set of teeth and saw the top of a 40' tree and hit something. Oddest thing I hit was a tap in a sugar maple tree. No signs it was in there.

Last week with new  teeth in my trim saw I cut a 16 penny nail. It was horizontal in a 2x8. Never hit or saw any other nails when the log was on the mill.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: hackberry jake on December 08, 2011, 03:28:11 PM
I used to workaround a high output three phase circle mill. A guy I worked with had had a pretty DanG good collection. The most impressive to me was a padlock that was set in the crotch of a tree. He said it stopped the carriage and sent half the shanks/teeth through the sheet metal roof. Wish I coulda seen that.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 08, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
I swear I could saw fence posts........ new set of teeth and saw the top of a 40' tree

That struck me as very funny, because folks that remember my original post about hitting this T fence post will remember that it was in the log approximately 43' up from the butt.  I had already sawed two 20' logs and it was broken off beneath the bark in the third log.
 

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Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 08, 2011, 04:59:04 PM
hackberry jake, When you said circle mill it reminded me of the sawyer I used to get my logs milled at,I broke a bucket tooth off in one of the logs I gave him to saw. I came back to pick up the lumber and he had it in his hand and he told me what happened,I pulled my wallet out and bought him a full set of inserts for his blade. I didnt have enough money left to pay him for the sawing. He jumped on his loader and loaded me and said pay me when ever you get back around. the next morning I got coffee and stopped and paid him. we became best of friends after that and had a 25 year friendship until he passed away about 10 years ago,I think that is where I got the sawdust bug. He kept that bucket tooth on his desk as a paper weight for over 20 years ;D Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: customsawyer on December 08, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
That is a great story. One of the strangest things I hit was a post hole digger in the fork of a tree.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 09, 2011, 06:11:50 AM
That is a great story. One of the strangest things I hit was a post hole digger in the fork of a tree.
:D :D :D :D I have always found my best stuff in the crotches,two weeks ago I sliced a golf ball in half. The story about the bucket tooth has always stuck in my head from day one! I had a lot of respect for the older gentlemen and was told by others that he was a real pain in the a-- to deal with,if he didnt like you he would not saw your logs. I guess looking back at it now he was my mentor,he would tell me what to look for and all the good stuff,any time I would go and pick up lumber I would be there at least 2 hours ;) Tim
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Magicman on December 09, 2011, 07:24:16 AM
Crotch Rock.   :-\

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Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: hackberry jake on December 09, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
Crotch Rock.   :-\

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did you saw through a viagra? Haha I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: Nomad on December 09, 2011, 08:35:46 PM
MM, that just ain't right! :D :D
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: shelbycharger400 on December 11, 2011, 05:50:13 PM
when you cut survivors from old tornado area's its amazing what you find in the trees.   ive found imbedded grass and nails ect, but ive heard of circle blades and other tools jammed into the tree a few inches . generally the 16' mark indicates a duck house .  actually anywhere from 10 to 16 ft i think you put wood duck houses.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: mandolin on December 12, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
Last year, I was sawing some SYP and hit a cannonball. It was one inch in diameter and was buried about six inches in the tree. Then I found out that the guy I was sawing for had a one inch diameter cannon and was fond of shooting at trees.
Title: Re: Tramp metal collection!
Post by: T Welsh on December 12, 2011, 10:00:47 PM
Last year, I was sawing some SYP and hit a cannonball. It was one inch in diameter and was buried about six inches in the tree. Then I found out that the guy I was sawing for had a one inch diameter cannon and was fond of shooting at trees.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D.        Tim