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What to do with big white pine

Started by Towhilloggc4a, March 14, 2018, 08:15:31 PM

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Towhilloggc4a

Hey guys i have a buddy that just bought 7 acres to build a house on. it has 3 walnut 2 red oaks 3 white oaks and 1000 white pine and he wants me too take all white pine 20" DBH and bigger witch is about 40% of his stand my issue is around our area (central pa) we are getting $900 a triaxle load for pine either pulp or saw boards I'm trying to talk him into taking out close to where he is building and wait to for better prices on the rest what do you guys think about pine prices in the future.

thecfarm

I don't know about prices,but I do not like white pine around the house. I only had one that I had to be cut here. I have alot of white pine on my land. I have seen nice looking white pine snap off in a windstorm for no reason. Yes,I can see it they are rotten or have a crotch,but some of the trees was nice looking and I could see no reason for them snapping off 20 feet high.
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Southside

If residential building does take off the way it appears it will in the north east once things thaw out, then I suspect pine log prices will follow.  Right now they are flat, but lumber is up and supply is getting tight, so the logical step is to increase prices, then again there is not much logic to the economy of today.  
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dgdrls

Penn St. reports between $72 & $106/thousand  Dec 2017 Int 1/4 scale  

Timber Market Report: 2017 4th Quarter

I did not see a futures report


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With the Pa building code ( no rough lumber ) pine and hemlock do not bring much.

PA_Walnut

I'm in Central PA and would be interested in a load or two of nice/larger white pine for a timber-framing project I have planned. Let me know.
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Towhilloggc4a

Quote from: PA_Walnut on March 14, 2018, 09:16:28 PM
I'm in Central PA and would be interested in a load or two of nice/larger white pine for a timber-framing project I have planned. Let me know.
Will let you know. If he decides to cut it we will start in a week or two

starmac

Lordy, at 100 bucks a thousand, is it even worth messing with by the time you pay the trucking, or is that price on the landing?
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Pclem

We've got some big white pine on our land too, and for several years I waited for prices to come up... Then got tired of waiting and sold some last year. They've been stuck at 130 or so a cord for years around here, and most mills like the bolts more than the big stuff. I guess it's not a horrible price, just the fact that smaller wood brings the same price, and is easier to sell.
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Stoneyacrefarm

Pine prices haven't changed much in 10 years up our way. 
Good big stuff is still in the 200-400 a thousand price range. 
Smaller stuff goes downhill quick from there. 
Hemlock is around 200 for the bigger good stuff. 
Small stuff goes to pulp at about 22 bucks a ton. 
Work hard. Be rewarded.

starmac

Stoney, are those prices at the landing or delivered to the mill?
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Stoneyacrefarm

Starmac,
The pine prices are price at the mill. 
So we are responsible for delivery. 
The hemlock pulp is picked up and loaded at my landing. 
Work hard. Be rewarded.

starmac

Thanks, I was wondering, my hauling rates averages around 17 bucks a ton just to the truck, everybody pretty much quit messing with pulp when the rates dropped to 40 a ton and just sent in what they absolutely had to cut. We no longer even have a pulp market now at any price though.
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Stoneyacrefarm

Starmac. 
We sure aren't getting rich on the pulp for sure.  :D
I'm clearing 20 acres to make more pasture and what little I'm getting for pulp and hemlock just goes into the kitty. 
It sure beats burning it in a brush pile.  
It's another 350-400 per load to put towards something else needed on the farm. 
Work hard. Be rewarded.

starmac

I hear you, no farmers to do any clearing around these parts, so any cutting is strictly logging, not a whole lot of competition for the saw logs either. I need to rephrase that NO competition for the saw logs, just one buyer, so they pretty much set the price.
They do pay 385 a thousand, kinda, they like 53 foot logs, and dock you for anything under 32 feet, all graded on the top size. a lot of 50 feet logs actually cost them less than the 10 foot butt log scales.
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Southside

Wow Starmac - that is just about the definition of highway robbery.  How much taper is typical between the top and the butt?
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mike_belben

Was it always this way? Im under the impression logging was big in alaska before some of artic wildlife designation under clinton.  Were there previously more buyers?
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starmac

Well on a 53 footer, which is what the want you to cut as long as the top is still 6 inches, there can be quite a bit of taper.
They are not shy about telling you that the reason they dock you for anything less than 33 feet, is because they don't get near as much FREE wood. 

Mike this area up here in the interior has never been big money, down in south east it used to be big and still is pretty good. At one time they exported pulp out of here and it was pretty good money, but that went away years ago.

The deal with the mill is they buy up most of the sales, and will pay you the same price, less the stumpage to log their sale, which sounds good, but they dictate what length wood to cut on their wood, where if it is your own sale you can cut 33's or 41's and scale much better. I know the main logger I work for, which is really the only mechanized outfit cutting for them shut us down and did some negotiating before we cut much, so I think he got a little better deal. He is the only one that has a processor here, so they really like his wood over the skidder processed logs they have always had, and get from all the other cutters they use.  We have not been able to finish his own sale though, because they haven't needed all that much wood the last two years, since the price of oil went down.
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