Carriage and Setworks ID?

Bullheaded · June 29, 2022, 09:35:25 PM

Based on the pics, can anyone ID this carriage? It was hard to get any good pics with all the shadows and iron piled on top. This is pretty much the whole sawmill minus the long rotted husk timbers. I do enjoy a challenge!

Bullheaded · June 29, 2022, 09:59:33 PM

Another pic

moodnacreek · June 30, 2022, 09:14:25 PM

The closest thing I could find is early Frick. I don't think it is that. There are not many with that arched w/ humps and hand wheel back stop. When they have that arch it is full of back stop- forward stop pin holes unlike yours. Then there are mills from north of the boarder to consider.

Bullheaded · June 30, 2022, 10:12:09 PM

Ive been thru Wendels book "THE CIRCULAR SAWMILL" several times with a magnifying glass and not a single one has features of this mill, one being the arched/humped backstop and another being the knee that completely covers and drops over the headblock base. I would love to ID this mill and then come up with an original brochure of the assembled mill to aid in a restoration.

Bullheaded · July 09, 2022, 05:19:04 PM

Does anyone know what manufacturers painted their mill dark green back in the day? I found several areas where wood had rotted away that are dark green....or at least green.

moodnacreek · July 09, 2022, 09:45:18 PM

In wooded areas of the country any town that had a foundry could build a sawmill. You will find these mills with no name cast in. I think they where afraid of patent infringement. I have a Lane/ Glover feed that has no markings whatsoever. Also have castings from an old Chase no. 1 sawmill and the one combo dog/taper has a space for the name left blank. This was a common thing in the cast iron days. My guess is that Wendell's book lists about half of what was out there 100 years ago.

Bullheaded · July 09, 2022, 10:01:59 PM

Interesting theory and it makes sense. Nearly every loose part on this headblock assembly has casting numbers....most are four digit starting with 3XXX.

Bullheaded · July 16, 2022, 10:20:24 PM

Ive positively identified my carriage and setworks as being off of a Port Huron mill. Not sure about the rest of the mill. Does anyone have any pics or literature of a Port Huron mill?

Don P · July 16, 2022, 10:47:43 PM

Just this short entry at Vintage Machinery
Port Huron Engine & Thresher Co. - History | VintageMachinery.org

There's a working one here;
Sawmill Shed | Historic White Pine Village

Bullheaded · July 17, 2022, 07:55:20 AM

Thank you Don! My search hadn't found the Ludington info. Ill stop there when I am down to the Buckley Engine Show in a month. Here is a pic of one load the parts spread out at my place.

moodnacreek · July 17, 2022, 09:14:12 AM

Your worse than me Bull, or maybe better. I am leaving this morning to pick up a spare carriage I found in the Adirondacks for the Lane simi auto I am running. It is from the '70,s ! That is like new to me. How in the Devil did you figure out what you had?

Bullheaded · July 17, 2022, 09:37:00 AM

These two online photos of Port Huron equipment....one shows that arched handwheel locking quadrant, the other the the unique bolt-on headblock way. I have the one remaining local old timer coming over to see if he can give me some history. It was last used about 15 miles north of me. He and his dad have logging/milling history back to the 30's. I'll put money on Jimmy rattling off the history like it was yesterday.....

Bullheaded · July 17, 2022, 09:45:02 AM

Previously used by the RuFF NuFF LUMBER CO. as hand carved into one of the set pulls.

Bullheaded · July 17, 2022, 10:13:26 AM

And here is the whole She-Bang. I can almost smell the sawdust!

Bullheaded · July 18, 2022, 06:53:45 PM

The fun begins.....Stripped to bare cast iron and primed with RustOleum rusty metal primer. Enamel implement paint.

Bullheaded · July 21, 2022, 04:36:29 PM

I finished the scales on the knee ways today. The original green was a shade darker. The scale and all the casting numbers were yellow under the rust.