NO is still taking on water

[Fla._Deadheader]

Who, ME ???  : :  Wadda I know  ??? ??? ;D ;D ;D

[sawguy21]

Looks like Teri and Fred have your number :D :D :D :D. Did anyone see the story about the guy who survived for sixteen days trapped in his house? He stayed behind so he could go to church : Seems a lot of people who got trapped had no idea of the threat or simply had no comprehension of the world around them.

[Murf]

He stayed behind so he could go to church.

I suspect he got a little closer to the Lord than he bargained for in da first place. 

[Furby]

Round two!
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050824033709990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001
http://reference.aol.com/natgeo?id=20050922194909990001

[beenthere]

Furby
What was impressive, and un-announced before, was that these low-lying areas had been pumped dry before being flooded again. I thought pumping 'dry' was going to take another month yet, or I was led to believe that anyway. 

I hope they get the pumps going again and get it dry again, soon.
And I pray that those people left Houston in vain, and that their places will be intact when they return. Talk about a 'gas guzzler' storm.  :

[Furby]

Yeah I know what you mean about the pumping.
I'm figuring it wasn't totally dry, just dryer then after the first.
I'm also figuring that the original estimates did not take into account the amount that would be pumped into the lake, and assumed they would pump it to the gulf and they didn't.
Just guessing on my part.


The only thing I really belive is that WE are being pumped full of it by the media, and the real facts are known by those down there. :

[beenthere]

I was under the impression the Lake (Ponchartrain) was directly connected to the Gulf waters. And had some effect from the tide (although suspect there is a lapse of level differences at any one moment).  But I don't know that for sure. 
Lots to learn about that area down there.    Learned a few 'different' things from LSUNo1 recently.  No wonder they found some bodies with bullet holes in them.

[Bro. Noble]

My son -in-law left this morning for Hattisburg Miss.  with a forest service chain saw crew.  He called my daughter tonight saying that they started seeing a lot of northbound traffic as they neared Hattisburg.  They got a call that Hattisburg was being evacuated and that they were to go to Jackson.  He is spending the night there on the floor of the forest service office and will get further directives tomorrow.

[Furby]

According to this site you are right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Pontchartrain

The bad part is that the chemicals, sewer, heavy metals and such won't be deluted as much as the would in the Gulf.
They will also settle out and become concentrated in areas around the shallow Lake Pontchartrain.



The Federal Emergency Management Agency was harshly criticized for its slow response to Hurricane Katrina. Pumping the water into the lake was the quickest and easiest solution to getting the water out of New Orleans, he said.
"FEMA didn't have time to get pumps to pump it to the Gulf," Reice said. "They were in such a panic to get the city emptied out so they would look better."

[Furby]

Lots to learn about that area down there. Learned a few 'different' things from LSUNo1 recently. No wonder they found some bodies with bullet holes in them.

Another member was reporting that as well from a second hand source.

[LSUNo1]

I was wondering if the gentlman in the article who said FEMA was in too much of a hurry to pump to the Gulf had a map or knew anything about the canals and pumping systems of New Olreans. To establish a discharge line from New Orleans to the Gulf which would be large enough to make it worth the trouble would take months or years and a gazillion dollars. And you dont just roll in portable pumps to handle the huge volume of water that needs to be moved. The New Orleans area is pumped from several very large capacity stations. The 17th Street Canal station alone has 5 pumps with a total capacity of 10,000 Cubic Feet Per Second (thats roughly 75,000 gallons per second). Before pumping to the gulf it might be more feasible to pump it to the Mississippi River instead. This also would be a very expensive and long term project.

I think the guy has a beef with the Bush administration or some other agenda. The local environmentalists although concerned for the short term believe the lake will eventually clean itself up.   

[Furby]

That's in a way my point.
The early estimates were way out there by way of pumping the water out.
What you just wrote matches what the news was reporting on the pump out.
Piles of $, long length of time, and so on.
It sounds like that would have been the best plan for the enviroment, and probly was the fist plan they moved on.
But with fact that it was going to take so long, they took short cuts and pumped into the lake and made some real progress.

[Tom]

There are all kinds of coke bottle eye glassed nerds with pencil on paper figuring out the depths of the water and the speed of the pumps and all that jazz.  There are environmentalist who are, almost to the last one, saying what not to do.  There are media mouths who are trying as hard as they can to make a catastrophe out of what is already a catastropye.

Then there is this fellow down in the bowels of the pumping station with the goal of drying the place out and he's gettin' it done.

Seems there is an advertisement on TV now kinda like that.  A bunch of people are stopped on the corner discussing the fact that this little piece of paper on the sidewalk is really dirtying the place up.  They have all kinds of conversations going about the paper and person who put it there and the society that allowed it......  ad infinitum.

This college aged boy with a backpack walks up, picks up the paper, throws it in the garbage can and walks away. 

The crowd is standing there with their mouths open watching after him.


I like the idea of the fellow working the pump as the one that's gettin' it done.  What is the goal anyway?

[LSUNo1]

FURBY, I never heard the option of pumping to the gulf even mentioned by anyone around here. The original estimate I heard from the corps was approximately a month or two which was for pumping into the lake. I think originally they were unsure of how many pumping stations were going to be useable.

I havent seen much of the national news lately but that article was the first I've ever heard of pumping to the gulf.

[beenthere]

About the pumping, I too have long heard that the pumps were a;ways set up to pump all storm sewer out of the 'bowl' and up into the Lake (never heard about the Gulf for pumping).  I also have heard that there was very strong hype about the 'high level of pollution' in the flood water. It was so bad it was eating the skin off people. After that, they showed where a woman that had been walking in waste deep flood water for 'days' was finally talked into leaving. It then showed her in fresh clothes boarding a bus. No skin loss on her. 
Also frosted me to read captions under AP press photos of the flood waters, continuously mentioning that they were pumping "corpse-laden water" back into the lake. Now isn't that a pretty way to depict the flood waters.  Later they tried to find those '10,000 corpse's' that were 'laden' in those waters  . 
Not to diminish the seriousness, but the phony'ness of the reports begs of someone sniffing the reporters out and exposing them for what they are - PHONY.  What happened to real, factual reporting. Even my old stand-by Fox News fell apart in this storm.

[Brucer]

The original estimate for General Motors to convert it's plants to the metric system was $60 million -- about 10 times the actual cost.

The original estimate of the number of people killed on 9-11 was 30,000 -- about 10 times the actual.

The original estimate of the number of people killed by Katrinia was 10,000 -- about 10 times the actual.

The original estimate to pump out New Orleans was 120 days -- about 10 times the actual.

Is there a pattern here?

[Dan_Shade]

when you estimate stupid high, and come in way low, it makes you look brilliant!

[DanG]

As usual, your best source of ACCURATE news is right here on The ForestryForum.

LSUno1, Thanks for taking the time to give us the real scoop! 8) 8)

[sawguy21]

I am curious how they are going to recover the bodies that have been run through the pumps :. Thanks to LSUNo1 and others for factual information.
The weather network is predicting "rain, at times heavy" for Galveston today. I imagine it will be DanG heavy.