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isawlogs · November 29, 2003, 04:46:01 PM

Dat dere log .... is it still attached to the roots ??? ???

Fla._Deadheader · November 29, 2003, 04:51:14 PM

Probably. The roots should be just buried in the sand, not growing in the sand. There is 6 feet of sand and from there we can touch the log with the 8 foot pipe that we jet with. That's 14' of sand on the end of the log and no place to get rid of the sand.
  The log was completely covered with sand when Ed found it with the probe.
  If you look at the first pic, you can see close to the end, the color is very different than the rest of the log. That is how much the log was sticking above the water when we left it last January. We have pulled it up to where you see it now, this year. We did raise it another 8 inches at waterline, but, lost that when we unhooked from it the last time.
  We hooked a 3/4" Nylon line to it and ran the boat downstream for 100 feet at full tilt. Stretched the line pretty thin ,but, the log won. Every time I get near this thing, I ram it with the boat, from all angles, It does NOT budge, just sways a little. :

etat · November 29, 2003, 05:09:51 PM

What you need is a trained beaver!!!!!!! 8) Might get with Mike and get him to ketch you one. Now, how you'd get him trained I have NO idea.

D._Frederick · November 29, 2003, 05:32:44 PM

Fla._,
Get about a 6 or 7 ft length of chain saw chain, tie a rope to either end, get the son on one end and you on the other and saw the da-n thing off, then go have another turkey sandwich.

C_Miller · November 29, 2003, 05:51:01 PM

That much air to run that chainsaw?

Anchor point possibilities.
1) at several points along the bank if its close enough. put a beam across the butts of two live trees and tie off to the beams. this would distibute the weight to several trees not just one.

2) use several power pole guy anchors. I'm not sure of soil conditions I'd go with the tree thing first.

Now that I'm thinkin more put a pulley on the land side and a snatch block on the log back out to a couple of trees. if you winch thru the pulley the boat is hard up against the bank and taking weight off the trees. the snatch block will increase pulling
power and distribute the weight thru the beam across the butt trick.

Fla._Deadheader · November 29, 2003, 06:12:06 PM

Ya gotta remember, this is a swamp. There is not much firm ground. That is why there are no large trees along the bank. I would have to go 200 fet or so into the swamp to find solid turf.
Thought about one of them tree limbing chain cuttin thingys. The log is about 40" dia. where we would cut it off??? That would require several Turkey sam witches :

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We got a spot, where the logs are just laying around. Water is 30 feet deep and current MAY not be too bad. Gonna be DARK down there, though :

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Only gotta push 'em 20 miles. Hafta take the grill and cook supper on the 6+ hr. trip back to the landing. THAT gets boring ??? ???

isawlogs · November 29, 2003, 08:23:28 PM

  Harold...
You have me in aw for the amount of work you gots to do to get them therr logs out . And also for dealing with them little critters that see you as lunch...You seam determend to get that log out and I tip my hat to you for it .Here it would be so simple ,...if it's to wet to get to it , you get a cable and the skidder and voila ... But I know this is useless in your case.
   I have one log that I want to go get , it's where I go moose hunting . It's not for the value of the wood, it was cut down in the early 1900's ,my grandfather cut there in the 30's and the marking's on this log where old and not in use then. It's been in the bay in front of my camp for the past 4 years and haven't found time to go get it.
  I want it for the marking's that are on it .Put there with a axe by maybe my greatgrandfather, cause he worked that part of the country before my grandfather. My dad worked there in the late 50"s also.
   All this to say that I admire your effort at getting these logs all I have is this one log to get and it seams to be a big job ... standing on firm ground and cutting them down sure seams alot easyer....

D._Frederick · November 29, 2003, 08:57:18 PM

Fla._,
I got one more idea from the past for (you to shoot down) that the old timer used to anchor steam donkey engines to after they had pulled loose all the stumps. If you have any ground or sand that you can walk on, dig a trench about 10--12ft long and at least 2 ft deep. At the center dig a ditch at right angle to the long ditch and slope it to the surface . With your 12000lb winch a sound 8 inch tree top would work to put in the trench and hook a cable to. This is a real deadman!

Fla._Deadheader · November 29, 2003, 09:17:53 PM

Thanks for the kind words and all the help. I will have to take a few pics of why there is not a good way to set an anchor, of sorts. When these trees along the bank get washed out from beneath, the root mass is unbelievable. All the roots are spread out and are a very thin mass. There is nothing but mud and sand and clams under the tree roots. Digging in that stuff would be very tough.
I may sound critical of all you guys ideas, but, every time Ed goes down, I constantly stare at the surroundings and try to visualize how we could get this log loose. If it were lying near the edge of the woods-stream, we would have a much better chance at it. It is actually about 75 feet out into the water. It is further to the other bank. Problem is, there is mud and lily pads on the closest side and it is tough to get the boat in to the timbers edge. THEN, ya gotta push it back out, later. Can't run the motors because of the mud and silt that plugs the screens immediately and would overheat the motors.
For all these reasons, that is why I mentioned if it sank, I would leave it. As long as it defies us, we will fight back. :

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BTW, this log MIGHT be worth over $10 Grand, if the right guy wants it. He paid $20 Grand for a Pine log. :

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It ain't ALL for the glory :D :D :D :D

D._Frederick · November 29, 2003, 09:43:58 PM

Fla._,
I guess I was too dense to realize that it was a wash-out/windfall, I thought you were after sinkers. I don't think you stand a snow ball in hell chance to get that up if it has a sound root ball. You just don't have enough options that are legal. I would cut it off and take what I could get. Get your self a couple of those 750 lb pull Superwinch and use them to pull chain saw chain back and forth.

chet · November 29, 2003, 09:54:42 PM

Hey Deadheader, what do you have for hydraulics on dat dar boat. They do make hydraulic chain saws.

etat · November 29, 2003, 10:55:08 PM

Florida, how long does a pine log have to lay in that swamp to be worth 20 GRAND. I'm thinkin we oughta go in business together. I'll get me a truck and bring you some pine logs. You drag em out in the swamp where they'll be easy to get, then after the specified time, you can hook to em and drag em back in! Genuine swamp cured pine!!!!!!! I'm glad I don't get out in that swamp much. Iffin I thought I could get 10 grand for that log it'd be hard for me to keep convincin myself that it was against the law to put a charge down there with the roots and blow that thing loose!!!!!!!! Really now, and I'm confessin to be a dummie here, what is so special about those logs that they're worth that kind of money?

Stephen_Wiley · November 29, 2003, 11:34:17 PM

Hey FD,

Have you checked into renting a hydraulic chainsaw which will cut up to 43" ?

If the log is worth $10k rental of unit and saw would seem worth it.

Fla._Deadheader · November 30, 2003, 06:01:03 AM

No hydraulics on the boat. That wood be toooo eesy. :

Have heard about hyd chainsaw. Weeks between paychecks makes it tough to spend money, speshully if this thing AIN'T worth the big bucks. :

  Haven't met the buyer, yet. ??? He wants a log that will square up 24" X 24", and be, at least, 30 feet long. This might come close, IF I get the whole thing. ;D That is why the big bucks. Specialty market. Tom saws stuff this size, but, it's been cut at 20 feet or so; too short.

  Don'T know, fer shore, that it HAS a root ball. When we get a GOOD pull goin, there are bubbles 8 feet or better in 2 directions. That could be 2 logs laying across this one??? Only guessin about a root ball. ;D

  About transplantin the Pine "sinkers", rumor has it that one of the big flooring-Pine buyers, is makin his own "sinkers" with new cut logs. ??? That's just rumor now, mind ya. :

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The 20 grand Pine was NOT a "sinker". It was a standin tree that was logged off. Never seen it, but, believe the guy that told me. HE knows the logger that knows the buyer ;D :D

OOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooops, that should'a been 12 Grand Pine log :-[ :-[ :-[ :

The "Legend" lives in Lake George. Another "rumor", that has been told to me by several old net fishermen, is that , there is a Bald Cypress log that would tear up their nets. It is "supposed" to have 5000 bd/ft in it. At $2.00 per bd/ft, that's an EASY 10 grand +. Haven't eyeballed that one, YET. ;D :D :D :D

EZ · November 30, 2003, 06:38:16 AM

Pretty funny about when you said(FD) everytime you go by that log you hit it with your boat. I could just picture me up there fishin by that log and you coming up and hitting it with your boat. I'd probally laugh and say to myself, I think that guy had to much to drink. And then when you are coming back and hit it again I would probally say, now I know he's had to much. :D
EZ

Fla._Deadheader · November 30, 2003, 06:45:45 AM

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Corley5 · November 30, 2003, 08:10:43 AM

This all taking place on the Ocklawaha? If so where?

Fla._Deadheader · November 30, 2003, 08:50:30 AM

Bout 1.5 miles in from the St. John's. Do ya recognize the spot ??? :D :D :D :D

Corley5 · November 30, 2003, 10:00:43 AM

:D :D :D :D It all looks the same but it looks like the Ocklawaha ;D I've spent a little time on it going both ways from the launch at the bridge where SR 40 crosses, at the Moss Bluff Dam and at Rodman Dam. Grandpa used to take me fishing at place just north of Lynne. You could see the BIG bass laying in amongst the submerged logs. Once in while we'd even catch one. The last time I was down there I walked into the same spot and didn't even recognize it. Just goes to prove that a river is a living thing. Grandma's still her place at Forest Corners and spends the winter there.
What's the story with Rodman these days? Are they going to pull all the dams and restore the river?

Fla._Deadheader · November 30, 2003, 10:33:00 AM

  Most of them places must be beyond Rodman ???
  YUP, the morons have decided to return Florida to it's "Pristine" state, what it was before Columbus got here.
  They Don'T have a clue what effect draining Rodman will have on the environment. All they see is "la-La Land". Draining the compound will ruin the river AND the St. John's for the rest of eternity. HOW can people be SOOOO STOOOPID ??? ???

  Strange thing that I can't figger out, WHO took the Pictures of when Columbus got here, so the Morons will know how to piece Florida back together ??? ??? :

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Furby · December 01, 2003, 01:14:32 PM

Anybody have a helicopter ??? ??? ???
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Corley5 · December 01, 2003, 06:11:30 PM

Yup all south of Rodman. It's too bad about Rodman. Pretty cool place. I've always been intrigued by the locks and dam at Eureka that have never flooded. The tall bridges are cool too. There were big plans for the canal system.
My solution for getting the log out is to wait until after spring break up and some big chunks of ice have hit it.This should break it loose with out a problem maybe even move it closer to the St Johns ;) :D ;D 8) 8) 8). That's what we'd do up here anyway.