bdft per truckload

[spencerhenry]

i am trying to find out about how many bdft are on a self-loading log truck. the load i am looking at is almost all 31' logs, maybe a couple of 33'. mostly bigger stuff, a couple of 20" tip, with a few 10" tip, and the small diameter ones are way less than 31'. the guy says he estimates it to be 7mbf, i scaled a couple of the bigger logs on the truck and the biggest one is about 750 bf, my estimate would be around 5500.  none of the logs are very crooked, but i am seeing rot in the butts. taking into account the rot i am guessing that the load will be under 5mbf he wants $300/mbf, but my bdft estimate and his differ by $450.

[Steve]

I used to buy Western Red Cedar that had a lot of swell butt. Some defect. If my memory serves me( and it seldom does at this stage if life) I used to pay for between 3 and 3,500 bft. I'm sure it differs greatly in the kind of wood  you are buying. For instance I think they could get quite a bit more Doug fir on a load.

Just my experience.

I was talking self loader here.

[tnlogger]

i was reading this and i'm confused i think are you talking about a straight truck or a trailer ???

the biggest load i've seen on a straight truck was big poplar 16' piled so high it almost hit the power lines going down the road. it scaled out at 5100 bft doyle and was way over the limit. on a trailer hauling tree length i would say you might get 5000to5100 ft if your lucky. 

[hosslog]

The mill I work for  hauls a lot of stuff in "tree length" max50ft.
25 to 30 stems per load and the scaler claims they average 4500 ft. per load. so I'd say 7500 ft sounds a little high.

[Furby]

If you are paying by the board foot, I don't see the problem.
Have them delivered and then scale them.

I would think the size of log would affect how many board foot per load.

[Tillaway]

Whats the GVW of the truck, Western long logger, Mule train or some of those big ones the Michigan folks can use?

[SwampDonkey]

5000 to 6000 sounds right, we use 2 cord/thousand and self loaders carry 12 cords (8-20 footers). If your wood is less than 14 inch tops than the doyle scale is gonna be alot less, compared to international. In that case 4000 wood be close. But, I wouldn't let a stick of logs or veneer leave my yard unless the buyer scaled it there first. It's easy for some unscrupulous trucker to duck into his private wood yard and sneak off a few sticks from the top.  I hope that doesn't paint truckers in a bad light, but wood theft is common-place in this kneck of the woods, that's one of the reasons why the marketing board handles most all the logs and veneer off private and the need of load-slip legislation to track chain of custody. The main reason is to get the wood to the best markets. :

[spencerhenry]

bought the load for $300/mbf. estimating 6500bf. may have time to scale them later, couldnt wait right now. there are 4 logs on the load that scale over 700bf. and several other big ones. i am talking about a self-loader with piggy-back trailer.

[SwampDonkey]

spencerhenry,

Yes, you can get moore wood on those trucks. The Marketing Board had one load I remembered @ 7800 Bangor log rule.

[Sawyerfortyish]

Swampdonkey what is Bangor log rule?. Is it a modified version of International or scribner or doyle.

[SwampDonkey]

As far as I know it's distinctly different. In western New Brunswick some mills will scale by either, as most our US Market use the Bangor Rule. Bangor Maine was traditionally where wood was sold from in the region.

Here is a USDA document of log rules

[tnlogger]

SD if i remember right a lot used to go to the pie factory in Orino
   

[SwampDonkey]

tnlogger, got one of them too 10 miles away. Pies, cakes, and potato everthing. But, I boycott their stuff though because the way they treat farmers in the local area. McCain Foods

[tnlogger]

sd the pie factory in  Orino me. used to make tooth picks, match sticks and such  :D :D cause that was 30 yrs ago so who know what they do now  :

[Tom]

That reminds me of a cartoon I saw one time.   I wish I had a copy of it.

There was this nerdy looking guy giving a talk to a bunch of, what looked like, Board of directors, who were sitting at a huge conference table.  He had a poster set up on an easel at the end of the conference table.  The title at the top of the poster read something like Acme Toothpick Company

There was a graph line drawn across the paper that started at the top left hand corner and went straight across the page.  The years were written across the top of the page.   About midway in the page the line dropped straight down to almost the bottom and then immediately shot back to the top of the page where it continued on to the current year.

He was pointing to this drastic drop in production, earnings or whatever it was, with his pointer and the caption under the cartoon read.  "....and this is where we had to buy another log".   :D

One of the funniest cartoons I've ever seen.  :D :D

[spencerhenry]

 i scaled the load, it scales 6975 bdft. most of the logs are 33', with one 40' good looking pile of logs.

[HORSELOGGER]

we like pics of good looking piles of logs