another SNAG!

lyle niemi · June 07, 2012, 12:54:47 PM

Well first of all I would like to thank you guys on the help with the belt issue.
I have found a bigger blade for the mill, it is a used blade but it was hammered and not used, I paid 450 for it and Im hopin thats not a bad price for it. So anyways I cleaned it all up and went to install it on the mill and noticed the dowel wont line up with the new blade. I looked at the old blade and seen that the holes were tammered with to make it fit the mill. Im not sure if I should do the same thing or not?? Im thinking the best thing would be is to change the collars???? Any help would be great!!
PS I havnt lost me marbles yet but getting very close!!! lol

Jim_Rogers · June 07, 2012, 01:01:06 PM

Do you have a saw doctor you could discuss that problem with. He may be able to give you some advice on doing that.

lyle niemi · June 07, 2012, 01:08:57 PM

Quote from: Jim_Rogers on June 07, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
Do you have a saw doctor you could discuss that problem with. He may be able to give you some advice on doing that.

I had left a message for him to call, Im hopin he gets ack to me soon.

Sprucegum · June 07, 2012, 01:17:09 PM

The arbor looks like a good fit so I would be tempted to trim down the dowels to fit the saw.

b dukes · June 07, 2012, 03:28:11 PM

You could drill new holes 90 degrees from them in the correct place? I have a blade with two sets of dowels. But if you drill in the blade would the blade have to be re- hammered?

Cutting Edge · June 07, 2012, 03:30:12 PM

Quote from: b dukes on June 07, 2012, 03:28:11 PM
You could drill new holes ~~180~~ 90 degrees from them in the correct place? I have a blade with two sets of dowels. But if you drill in the blade would the blade have to be re- hammered?

Took the words right outta my ~~mouth~~ post :D

steamsawyer · June 07, 2012, 03:52:46 PM

I know what you are thinking but don't you mean 90 degrees?... ;D

There is nothing wrong with taking a die grinder or a possum tail file and making it like your other blade. That's what I have done before. The iner and outer edges of the dowel holes don't hold anything anyway, only the sides. Just be carefull to make them longer and not wider. There is nothing wrong with relocating the holes either, but you will have to be very acurate with the layout.

Alan

lyle niemi · June 07, 2012, 04:23:13 PM

Quote from: steamsawyer on June 07, 2012, 03:52:46 PM
I know what you are thinking but don't you mean 90 degrees?... ;D

There is nothing wrong with taking a die grinder or a possum tail file and making it like your other blade. That's what I have done before. The iner and outer edges of the dowel holes don't hold anything anyway, only the sides. Just be carefull to make them longer and not wider. There is nothing wrong with relocating the holes either, but you will have to be very acurate with the layout.

Alan

Im trying to avoid getting the blade rehammered, its not the cost but the distance I would have to travel. If I use a die grinder would it create enough heat to effect the blade?

MotorSeven · June 07, 2012, 04:30:26 PM

Since it won't fit in a drill press, I think I'd go at it with a Dremel and small coarse cylinder stones. It might take a while but it would force you to go slow and careful. You could keep the heat down by alternating from hole to hole.

Al_Smith · June 07, 2012, 04:46:15 PM

I seriously doubt that with a massize piece of steel the size of that blade you would warp it .If you're concerned use a chainsaw file to elongate the holes a tad bit .

I have no idea how hard the blade is but one would think a file hard enough to cut a chainsaw cutter would certainly cut a saw blade .

lyle niemi · June 07, 2012, 04:56:15 PM

Another question I should ask is why that collar does not fit the blade? there must be a proper collar a guy could get so you dont have to mess with the holes, Right???

Al_Smith · June 07, 2012, 05:03:41 PM

I'm not a circle mill guy but the few I've seen were just in essence like a large blade stabilizer used on a table saw .

steamsawyer · June 07, 2012, 06:25:11 PM

Lyle,
You are not going to heat or distort your blade at all. You could use a burr in a die grinder or Dremel tool, or just a round rat tale file. The blade plate is not hardened steel and a file should cut it just fine. Take one of the dowel pins to use for a gauge and hand fit it.

The dowels aren't there to key the blade to the shaft as much as they are there to key the collars together. They pin the loose collar to the fast collar more to keep the loose collar from spining and loostening or tightening the nut.

Alan

Dave VH · June 07, 2012, 06:38:49 PM

if you keep it wet when you grind it, it shouldn't get too hot

bandmiller2 · June 07, 2012, 08:34:02 PM

You shouldn't upset the saws tension,but I would be more inclined to modify the pins as they are cheap and easy to replace.Remember Belsaws don't even use pins in there collars.As alan said they keep the nut from tightening and springing the collars if the saw hung. Frank C.

Migal · June 07, 2012, 09:42:09 PM

I would drill two more holes 90 degrees that would fit my arbor and never look back. GL with what ever you decide.

lyle niemi · June 09, 2012, 09:16:01 AM

This blade I got turned out to be for a left handed mill, DANG!! Saw doctor says he can hammer it the other way, Im hopin it will work.
The collars on the mill look like they are both flat on the mating surfaces. I looked in the sawmill book and it says there should be a taper to the collars. The collars look like they were made flat with no taper to them. Do I have the right collars???
I have been trying to find some one around here who knows about these old mills to come and give be a hand to get it cutting straight, Im having no luck. I really hate to say this but Im almost ready to give up and carry on with something eles now.

Jim_Rogers · June 09, 2012, 10:47:06 AM

This saw doctor you are talking to should be able to give you some advice on your collars.
Have you asked him about them?
From all the stuff I've read over the years, the more information you give him the better job he can do for you.

Jim Rogers

lyle niemi · June 09, 2012, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: Jim_Rogers on June 09, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
This saw doctor you are talking to should be able to give you some advice on your collars.
Have you asked him about them?
From all the stuff I've read over the years, the more information you give him the better job he can do for you.

Jim Rogers

gonna go see him with my blades and collars monday mornin.

TimGA · June 10, 2012, 10:26:42 AM

Lyle. Been watching all your hard work and great progress. Just a word of encouragement to keep going. I find the final steps sometimes to be the hardest. Bought a new tk2000 a year ago, thought it would be a piece of cake HA!. For the most part the mill was fine, I just needed to know what different sounds meant, to fast to slow, sharp blade dull blade, blade will not cut with pitch on it. Don't Quit ! Just a few more hours and some tweaking and you will have the mill you have dreaming of. My father in law used to say, IT WILL LOOK BETTER AFTER A GOOD NIGHTS REST. A new morning a fresh start a new approach. He was a dairy farmer his whole life as you he knew what rough was. Good Luck, Would love to see pictures of piles of wood. Tim

lyle niemi · June 10, 2012, 11:07:57 AM

Quote from: TimGA on June 10, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
Lyle. Been watching all your hard work and great progress. Just a word of encouragement to keep going. I find the final steps sometimes to be the hardest. Bought a new tk2000 a year ago, thought it would be a piece of cake HA!. For the most part the mill was fine, I just needed to know what different sounds meant, to fast to slow, sharp blade dull blade, blade will not cut with pitch on it. Don't Quit ! Just a few more hours and some tweaking and you will have the mill you have dreaming of. My father in law used to say, IT WILL LOOK BETTER AFTER A GOOD NIGHTS REST. A new morning a fresh start a new approach. He was a dairy farmer his whole life as you he knew what rough was. Good Luck, Would love to see pictures of piles of wood. Tim

Thanx for the good words of encouragement, I guess I was just having a bad day..lol I did find someone who said he worked on mills, he said he will come out today and have a look at things. He is a millright so Im hoping he can see something that I cant.
The weather up here has been so dang wet its hard to get much done outside. There is one good thing about having all these problems, if I get them all sorted out I will know how to correct things on my own and maybe help another person who is going through the same kinda of stuff.
I do not want to sell one piece of lumber unless it is cut properly, ya know its a small town and word travels fast..lol