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JSwigga

February 12, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
My dad thinks it a butternut. I'm not sure I think its just another elm but its lighter than siberian elm and darker than english..  ???

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beenthere

#1
February 12, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
Appears to be an elm. What is the weight of the wood, heavy like elm or much lighter in weight?

Can you get a pic up close of the pith along its length?  Butternut and walnut I believe have similar looking open pith, except walnut is chambered. Google can fill in some of those details with pics too.

A closeup pic of the end grain will also help go a ways to identify if elm or not.

Pic of the bark will help too.
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February 12, 2013, 08:16:56 PM
Way too dark for butternut. Is the log fairly fresh? If it's a butternut or walnut family it will be yellow under the bark. Butternut is very light and soft. It also has a chambered pith with thick dark chocolate brown diaphragms, walnut has chambered pith and buff colored but not on current growth, delayed a year.
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February 12, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
I think it may be catalpa.  What would be identifying features of a catalpa?
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WDH

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February 12, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
If it is elm, the latewood pores as seen from the end grain will be arranged in distinct wavy bands.
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SwampDonkey

#5
February 13, 2013, 04:36:41 AM
Here is American Elm on the end grain. See the wavy bands of pores.




Panel grain (veneer)


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#6
February 13, 2013, 07:32:36 AM
Catalpa won't have the wavy bands.
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tyb525

#7
February 13, 2013, 05:14:17 PM
Looks a whole lot like red elm to me, the grain and the thick orange inner bark.
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#8
February 13, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
 ;D I think it is Elm also... ;)
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February 13, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
This is the best pic i could get with my phone.


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WDH

#10
February 13, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
Well, you certainly have wavy bands  8).
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JSwigga

#11
February 13, 2013, 09:44:40 PM
I've learned more in this forum in a week than I have in the last two months in the field!  haha.. I gotta get better with end grain ID. 
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WDH

#12
February 13, 2013, 09:47:00 PM
Once you learn a few basics, you will be amazed by how easy it is to narrow things down to only a few potential candidates.
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JSwigga

#13
February 13, 2013, 10:16:02 PM
i know this is covered in other threads.  But what is a good book/website/anything to learn more about this subject.
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SwampDonkey

#14
February 14, 2013, 06:17:13 AM
Yes sir-ee, sure looks like elm from here. :D ;)
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#15
February 14, 2013, 07:27:48 AM
Quote from: JSwigga on February 13, 2013, 10:16:02 PM
i know this is covered in other threads.  But what is a good book/website/anything to learn more about this subject.

"Understanding Wood" by Bruce Hoadley is one good one with very good pictures. 

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Wood-Craftsmans-Guide-Technology/dp/1561583588
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