White Oak Lumber

[Peter Drouin]

For the Mayflower 2 to fix the boat :D W oak  trees that are 100' tall 4'  dbh ,need planks 24"x30' long 3.5" thick and clear of knots
I got this in an email
I think the web is http://boatinglocal.com/news/repairing-the-mayflower-ii.html
Do you all think there are trees out there for this :D :D

[T Welsh]

Good luck with that! They are out there, but protected.And if you could find it,fell it,mill it,kiln dry it. I would imagine I could not afford to buy it ;D. Tim

[Ron Wenrich]

They may have asked for that, but when viewing the video, that's not what they said, and that's not what they have showing what they are using.  The planks look to be 8-10" wide, and they're 2 1/2" thich.  They also showed that they were sawn as flitches.  They weren't exactly clear, either.  I think he said "relatively clear".  I'm not sure of the length, but they looked to be about 24'.

I've seen trees that would make that order.  Why do you need a 100' tall tree to make a 30' board?  Why do you need a 4' dbh tree to make a 24" wide board? 

[snowstorm]

that boat needs some work. a few planks need to be replaced........thats what they said about the BOUNTY its now at the bottom of the atlantic. hard to believe the coast guard signed off on that 2 yrs ago. they are real fussy

[beenthere]

I rather doubt the CG has many qualified wood inspectors "on board".

Very hard to just look at some timbers and have the x-ray vision to know what is maybe internal decay with no outside appearance other than maybe water stain (which likely even the sound cladding and frames have some of that). There are methods used now to "look" inside timbers, but take some very skilled workers to decide what the integrity of the timber is that is being examined.

Several different methods are being used, depending on the application.

..... and one of the survivors said the replaced planks were not the ones where the seams opened up on the BOUNTY. Apparently went to sea in Sandy Hurricane led by a miscalculating Captain. But not sure if any real conclusions have been reached. For a tall ship, seemed like a mighty small crew for "manning" sails in a hurricane. One woman crewmember and the Captain died. 14 crew were rescued.

[clww]

The BOUNTY may have sunk while out sailing during a hurricane. :

[snowstorm]

there was a big write up about that in soundings magazine about the bounty. the coast guard pretty much said the captian was at fault. that and the ship wasnt as fit as they thought

[Okrafarmer]

there was a big write up about that in soundings magazine about the bounty. the coast guard pretty much said the captian was at fault. that and the ship wasnt as fit as they thought

I read that article, or another one. Evidently it was a combination of factors. 1 of which was that the ship was in very poor condition (water leaking on board continually just sitting at anchor, if I remember right), and the captain made at least three very bad decisions. 1. To sail such a leaky ship. 2. To sail any ship into an ocean where a large hurricane was forming and 3. Not heading for port, or farther out to sea away from the hurricane when he had the chance. It was amazing that all the crew was saved except the captain and one other who was lost.

[Peter Drouin]

They may have asked for that, but when viewing the video, that's not what they said, and that's not what they have showing what they are using.  The planks look to be 8-10" wide, and they're 2 1/2" thich.  They also showed that they were sawn as flitches.  They weren't exactly clear, either.  I think he said "relatively clear".  I'm not sure of the length, but they looked to be about 24'.

I've seen trees that would make that order.  Why do you need a 100' tall tree to make a 30' board?  Why do you need a 4' dbh tree to make a 24" wide board? 

Just going by the speck sheet that I got, I might have some w oak on the stump, so whats that 7,00 a bf or 10 :D :D :D ;D and theres more they want, bowed logs too, well see .
I have a ph number, best to call some one and get the scoop :D

[mesquite buckeye]

I think the bowing compensates for the curvature of the ship when the plank gets bent into shape. That must be fun to lay out.

[Ron Wenrich]

I don't know if $10/bf would be enough.  One plank would weigh 1250 lbs and is 210 bf.  Are the bowed ones for knees?  I've seen them used in some timber framing. 

[snowstorm]

there was a big write up about that in soundings magazine about the bounty. the coast guard pretty much said the captian was at fault. that and the ship wasnt as fit as they thought

I read that article, or another one. Evidently it was a combination of factors. 1 of which was that the ship was in very poor condition (water leaking on board continually just sitting at anchor, if I remember right), and the captain made at least three very bad decisions. 1. To sail such a leaky ship. 2. To sail any ship into an ocean where a large hurricane was forming and 3. Not heading for port, or farther out to sea away from the hurricane when he had the chance. It was amazing that all the crew was saved except the captain and one other who was lost.

the bounty was in belfast last summer. when i was there they were closed for tours. if what they used for a ramp gang plank to get from the float to the deck is any indication of how they ran there ship. they had a couple sheets of plywood and a folding table. the floats are bout 2' off the water and the deck of the ship was 12. i know someone that did tour the ship he said it needed a little attention. and he knows boats

[snowstorm]

I rather doubt the CG has many qualified wood inspectors "on board".

Very hard to just look at some timbers and have the x-ray vision to know what is maybe internal decay with no outside appearance other than maybe water stain (which likely even the sound cladding and frames have some of that). There are methods used now to "look" inside timbers, but take some very skilled workers to decide what the integrity of the timber is that is being examined.

Several different methods are being used, depending on the application.

..... and one of the survivors said the replaced planks were not the ones where the seams opened up on the BOUNTY. Apparently went to sea in Sandy Hurricane led by a miscalculating Captain. But not sure if any real conclusions have been reached. For a tall ship, seemed like a mighty small crew for "manning" sails in a hurricane. One woman crewmember and the Captain died. 14 crew were rescued.

maybe you dont know much about the coast guard. still a lot of wooden boats used here. some of the windjamer fleet was built in the 20's and 30's. fresh water will rot a wooden saltwater wont

[Peter Drouin]

I don't know if $10/bf would be enough.  One plank would weigh 1250 lbs and is 210 bf.  Are the bowed ones for knees?  I've seen them used in some timber framing. 

I think so , Im going to call them, then walk where my loggers are working, I have to get two 20' w oak logs today for a customer ,
one Jim Rogers sent me

[Autocar]

 In the early 90's I bought logs for a mill and the owner called me from New York City where he was attending a meeting , a ship restoration company was looking for some big white oak . Asking if I had any big ones bought which I did. I had bought a woods north of Upper Sandusky Ohio that had some big ones in it. We cut it in July for the company and it was thirty feet, thirty three inches on the small end and was told to leave the root flares on it. Reason being they turned it on a lathe and the flares would set in the bottom of the ship and get screwed down for more strengh. I paided two thousand for this tree and we got five figures for it. Over the coming years we sold them a few logs the biggest partial we ever had I had bought thirty some white oak over a winter that was forthy some feet to twent four feet and had them all layed out. They were a beautiful site to see that many big trees, they only bought three trees out of the lot  :D. Many times over the years I bought logs that would make great ship logs but having the order and being able to fill it when they need it just dosen't happen that easy.