No Swingers Around

Fla._Deadheader · September 02, 2002, 06:56:00 PM

Hi Arkansawyer. I used to own a mill in Bruno, in the mid 70's. Used to buy logs from Elwood Still, Solomon Watts, and others around Yellville. Used to sell cross ties to "Tobacco worm" in Yellville. Wherebouts you located?
Right now I am involved in diving the rivers in Fla. to get Virgin Heart Pine and Heart Cypress, that was cut over 100 years ago. Building a sawmill similar to Wood Mizer, but, set up to saw cypress stumps and other weird cuts.
Use a 35' tri-axle trailer to haul the logs to a band mill. Built a inverted "U" arrangement that hinges near the end of the trailer. A winch pulls the log from the water and raises it to the bar, using a snatch block, and then tips forward to set the log on the end of the trailer or on the bottom layer of logs. Then unhook the snatch and winch 'er up. Works slick. ;D

Tom · September 02, 2002, 09:43:08 PM

Is this a State Certivied operation? The State is permitting rivers by the mile for deadheading. There are already some folks in trouble for pulling logs without permits.

There is a lot of pretty wood in the bottom of the rivers and lakes. It's a shame for it to go to waste when there is such a market for flooring and cabint wood,

Welcome to the Forum Fla_Deadheader.

Fla._Deadheader · September 03, 2002, 05:36:40 AM

Hi Tom. Yep, we're permitted! Didn't expect us to be able to do it without the state's help, didja??? We get 20 miles of river for 500 bucks. Then you get the REAL permit; 5500 bucks to be allowed to do it !!!
There are some logs so big, that they can't be raised. Haven't met the log that I can't raise, so far !
Tried to post a couple pics. File too big. Have to see what I can do. Never had that problem on other forums.Easiest place to post pics though. Great info here. Harold

Fla._Deadheader · September 03, 2002, 06:03:24 AM

Let's see if these work. 1st is my son with a small load on our trailer. Second is a log raised from the bottom and secured under the boat.

Fla._Deadheader · September 03, 2002, 06:05:07 AM

Guess this posting pics ain't so easy.

ARKANSAWYER · September 03, 2002, 06:44:14 AM

Fla_Deadheader,
   I am on Bruno Ridge Rd near the Shawnee Cave Rd end. Soloman Watts is still in the woods and I buy from him all the time. Elwood and Paul Still are not in the woods any more but Wayne Still has taken over. And of course there are several Davenports out there. Post Office has closed in Bruno.
  You reckon there are any logs at the bottom of Bull Shoals Lake?
   Get with Jeff and he can help you with getting the photos on the forum. Just buy a WoodMizer and get to sawing. Welcome and do not forget to come up for air.
ARKANSAWYER

Ron Scott · September 03, 2002, 07:17:54 AM

There are some previous posts on "Underwater Logging" in other threads. Check the Search for Underwater Logging.

Fla._Deadheader · September 03, 2002, 07:42:55 AM

You must be near LD & Bruce Trogden's dairy farm?
Don't think the logs in Bull Shoals were cut before it was flooded. The one's we are getting were cut and dragged through channels cut into the swamp. When they hit the open water, 10-15% of them went down, before reaching the mill.

Tom · September 03, 2002, 08:06:24 AM

Check out the knowledge base for picture instructions,

Forestry Forum Tips.........or click this link
https://forestryforum.com/tips/tips.cgi?display:1021999910-6825.txt

Jeff · September 09, 2002, 10:15:23 AM

If you have a couple pictures you would like on the forum email them to me and I will format the size for you, although instructions are available in the knowledge base.

This is not like other forums. No ads and no revenue. Thats why the small photo size. We work with limited resources. Large photos eat up our storage space and eat up my wallet in band width usage as people look at them.

As you have surely seen you can get pretty good pictures on here and still be under the size limit. Its not that hard, its just a matter of taking the time to learn how to do it. Once you know, its very useful not only here, but for storage on your personal computer, or as email pictures.

Fla._Deadheader · September 09, 2002, 04:20:17 PM

Hi Jeff. I use photoshop 4.0 and can size an image just fine. I even used web-optimizer and scaled down to 13000, trying to post an image. I also just went to the knowledge base and found no info on posting images. Guess I am just not gettin it. When I tried to re-post 2 images, it said they were already in my server?? It would not let me have access to them to delete and re-try????Thanks, Harold

Tom · September 09, 2002, 04:56:37 PM

Try this link

https://forestryforum.com/tips/tips.cgi?display:1021999910-6825.txt

Jeff · September 09, 2002, 05:00:48 PM

Harold, sounds like you might have done everything right accept cut and paste the code that is generated to paste into your message. Do you remember the names of the fiules you uploaded? I will track them down and insert them in your post.

Here are the steps to upload and insert a photo.

1. Click Upload and attach image? If the image is under 15 k it will upload and appear on the next screen.
2. Fill in the subject and description fields and submit. You will go to a third page where your picture will appear again along with a line of code that you then cut and paste into your post.

Jeff · September 09, 2002, 05:06:55 PM

Yup, found your pics Harold, you did great! Just missed the last step. Copy and paste the line of code (its in red) from the last upload page into your post.

I already did this for you as you probably noticed. Great pictures, nice and clear and under 15k!

Another note, you can always click the photo gallery button in the menu bar to find a photo that you may have uploaded and did not use, or to find one you would like to use. If you have recently uploaded the picture it is probably still listed under the last 70 link.

DanG · September 09, 2002, 08:50:26 PM

Hey, Fl_Deadheader! What river are you working? There is some "deadheading" going on in my area, along the Appalachicola.

I like the trailer idea. I had thought of that, and I think I posted something about it in the past, but I haven't gotten around to building it yet. I was going to use some heavier steel, but it looks like you're doing ok with the pipe. How much of a winch are you using to roll it over?

Fla._Deadheader · September 10, 2002, 04:05:42 PM

Hi Jeff. Thanks for adding the pics. I DO remember the cut and paste. Problem is, the ole brain figured it out, right AFTER it said "click the button". The more I tried to go BACK, the deeper the hole got, so I gave up. I went to the Gallery, and it said images used in posts, so, I figgered that was futile too.

   About the trailer loader. I just added one to my 10' trailer and loaded 14' logs, using a HAND boat winch mounted on the tongue. Took some cranking, but, we moved 20 logs in 2 days in 95 degree heat. (Took several breaks and quit early).
   They are both made with 2" galv. pipe.
   The one on the big (35') trailer has loaded 2 16' Pine sinker logs that had over 400 bdf each. If you loop the winch cable kinda short (close to the end) it will clear the end of the trailer and land about 1 1/2 to 2 feet past the end of the trailer. I use an extra chain wrapped around the end of the trailer and the top bar, to keep it from going too far forward. If you adjust it right, it will drop back, ready for the next log, without having to "armstrong" it back.
   I use a side opening snatch block, hooked to the top bar with a chain, and after setting the log down, release the cable from the block and winch 'er up. There is a 9000# Warn Winch in the front of the gooseneck. A REGULAR car battery is used. Deep cycles are NOT made for short heavy bursts of amp draw. You WILL warp the plates and ruin yer battery. We have a 15000# Warn Winch on the boat. It has a 4D Boat ENGINE battery and I rigged a 4HP Honda and 60 Amp Delco alternator, dropped down to 35 Amp charge max. to keep it up all day. The logs are usually buried and it will pull the boat down nearly level with the water, till water flows over the transom. Sometimes, them suckers are stuck!!!
  We are working the St. John's River from Palatka south to Lake George. We are currently waiting (forever) for a permit to work the Oklawaha from the St. John's to the Rodman Dam. You should try to get a few logs from the guys working near you. The grain is sometimes as fine as 2-3 hairs. Wonderful looking boards. We get $2.00 per bdf from the mill and I am currently building a larger model Wood mizer type mill. I start running one this coming Monday for the guy that we sell to, until we get our new permit. Whew, finger is sore !!! :

Harold