where to find 45-75 loading data

[spencerhenry]

i recently acquired a 76 winchester in 45-75 and would like to find loading data for smokeless powder. i dont have it in any manuals i have and need to find a manual that has it.

[Radar67]

The Speer manuals have the loading data. I could probably get to them if you need.

Stew

[Bro. Noble]

Use 24 grains of 4198 with a 350 grain bullet to get factory ballistics of 1380 ft/sec and 1486 ftlbs.

Now tell me where I can get an extractor for mine ;D

[Kevin]

There's one here BRO ...
http://www.winchesterbob.com/model76.htm

[Bro. Noble]

Thanks, Kevin,  I've tried all kinds of places for one of those for years.  I take back all those mean things I've been thinking about you :D :D ;)

I've been having to shoot the thing as a single shot and poke each shell out with a cleaning rod.  Of course,  there hasn't been a lot of buffalo around here for a while,  so I've been able to get by ;D

Geeze,  I 'll have over a hunard bucks invested in that gun now   I gave $97.50 for it at an auction-------several years ago :D :D

[spencerhenry]

the 76 i have is a repro. supposedly all the parts are interchangeable with the originals. mine is made by chapparral arms, but cimarron is now making them too. my guess is that there should be parts available for the repros soon.

do you know what manual might have loads listed? it was suggested that speer manuals have the data, but neither of mine have it. i think he was thinking 45-70.
$100 for an original 76. that is the deal of the century. the 76 to my knowledge was the shortest lived production run of all the levers by winchester, and hence is quite rare ie valuable.

[Bro. Noble]

The loading data I have came from 'Cartridges of the World' and is the only smokless load they listed.  My rifle is in 40-60 and was purchased in the early 60's.  An old fellow died and had a shed full of old guns stacked like cordwood.  I thought I gave too much at the time.  A friend went with me and bought a Pheonix SS rifle for less than $50.  Neither of us had spare cash to buy anything else :(  I try not to think of some of the old guns and old cars that I didn't buy back then.  It was because of lack of cash,  not lack of desire :D :D

[Radar67]

i think he was thinking 45-70.

Spencerhenry, you are correct. I have to apologize for reading the post too quick. I mis-read 45-75 as 45-70.

Stew

[Bro. Noble]

I have an old Lyman book that lists loads for the 73 Springfield trapdoor which are considerably lighter than the current factory loads for 45-70,  but still quite a bit heavier than the data I gave you for 45-75.  The 45-75 was only chambered in the 76 Winchester and Kennedy lever guns.  Both had weak actions so you gotta be careful using data for similar cartridges.  Dad loads my 40-60 with 32 grains of IMR 3031,  I'll see if he remembers where he got the data.

By the way,  weren't you looking for data for loading 30-30 with cast bullets?  I looked for info at the time that was posted and couldn't find any.  There was quite a bit in my old lyman book.  Do you still need it?

[spencerhenry]

i am sort of into all the odd-ball stuff. 30-30 is not odd, but not many people spend much time on it. if you can tell me what manual or book has the info, i will just buy the books, i collect things with info i dont have in my head. that means an endless need for paper but oh well what else do i have to spend my money on.

[Bro. Noble]

The book 'Cartridges of the world' is a must if you don't have it.  It's extremely interesting.  For example ,  it tells that the modle 76 was originally chambered in 45-75 and several others were chambered later.  It was loaded by winchester till 1935.  The 76 in 45-75 was the official arm for the Royal Canadian Mounties for 27 years.  It reccomends limiting the cartridge to  brush hunting game up to deer and black bear.

I asked Dad where he got loading data for old cartridges------he replied " out of old handloading books"  I shoulda known better than to ask. :D :D  He's going to see what he can find.

My Lyman handbook is from the late 60's.  That's when I pretty much quit messing with old guns.  You might try e-bay for old loading books.

BTW,  there was an auction nearby a couple of weeds ago that had a 73,  86,  and a HENRY   as well as a Sharps and others.  I didn't torture myself by going :D

[Bill]

Spencerhenry -

I know you've figured this out by now but since 45-70-405 was the original listing for a 45-70 and it meant a 45 caliber with 70 grains of black powder and a 405 grain slug maybe if you knew the original bullet weight maybe you could back into the smokeless equivalent for a 45-75 ( I'm thinking the 75 was the black powder charge not the slug weight ). I guess you could load it with black powder but  going through all the necessary clean up would be a pain. and of course getting the straight info outa the manual would be alot easier/accurate and a whole lot safer.

FWIW - here's a quote off the net ( googled 45-75 ) - Good Luck and careful out there . . .

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Are you looking for data for an original Winchester 1876 or a replica? (Didn't think the replica was currently available in 45-75?)

In any case, The Winchester 1876 is at it's best with BP. While I don't recommend shooting smokeless in a vintage "76", if you MUST, the following load is pretty gentle:

45-75 brass reformed from 348WCF
350 grain Lyman #457122 (Buffalo Arms)
21.5 grains of XMP5744
OAL for the 45-75 is 2.25

The above load is safe in MY rifles. YMMV!

I don't shoot jacketed bullets in the original Winchester 1876. My rifles will not shoot worth a *DanG with anything other than a 350 grain bullet - the original factory loading for the 45-75.

Good luck!

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