P-bilt pics

chester_tree _farmah · August 24, 2014, 11:59:36 AM

My youngest wants a 357 detailed model so I figured I would take him down to the dealer to get one. They didn't have any but they had some sweet big boy toys. This is the typical wheeler configuration up here. Rarely see anything different.

Found this where I cut two winters ago. Thought it looked cool.

Dave Shepard · August 24, 2014, 12:25:16 PM

That's pretty much what you see around here. Get over the border in New York, and you will see more rear loaders, and even a pup now and then.

1270d · August 24, 2014, 01:08:26 PM

Why is a rear mounted loader pulling a pup is uncommon in the eastern states?

chester_tree _farmah · August 24, 2014, 01:34:02 PM

Good question. I am thinking it has to do with the weight limits? The configurations would tend to be what is most effective for local weight class?

I do know a lot places these guys go u couldn't go with a pup. The next most common self loader u see up here is a center mount on a full size trailer.

Need wood hauler or someone to tell us why.

barbender · August 24, 2014, 03:18:50 PM

I've always enjoyed seeing the different ways trucks are set up for hauling wood in different regions. Center mounts up here on rail trailers for the most part, quite a few crib trailers and a few rear mount with pups. The "wheeler" type would only be able to run around 60,000 lbs.with MN weight rules. You see a few "pole" trailers up in the far northern part of the state, Boise Paper takes tree length up in International Falls on the Canadian border.

ga jones · August 24, 2014, 03:54:59 PM

Weight restrictions and bridge limits. Here in pa max gross is 80,000. Truck and trailer. Triaxle gross is 73,280. That leaves 6,720 for the pup.

chester_tree _farmah · August 24, 2014, 04:17:02 PM

Makes sense. 74495 or something close up here. I have received slips for 80 + a few times. the yards r close.

CTL logger · August 24, 2014, 05:27:24 PM

In Pennsylvania your allowed 73,280 on a tri axle log truck if you pulled a pup you could weigh 80,000 if the pup weighed 5000 the gain would be very minimal. When I still owned tri axles I paid the great state of NY 350 bucks a year and they allowed me to haul 77,000 on the same truck that's registered in it's home state at 73,280. I've heard of guys running pups in NY being allowed to gross 115k not a big number compared to Michigan but better than its southern neighbor. I would like to see a guy get a pup into places around here they build woods roads with tandem dumps and expect you to turn a tri axle log truck around in the same space. That's my .02

1270d · August 24, 2014, 05:28:32 PM

ok I didn't know what the weight limits were. Have never come across a truck with the loader mounted up front like that although they used to be that way here. Legal here in MI is 154000 here with 11 axles (i think) Most guys run 160 to 170.

Its always surprising where these guys can shoehorn these big trucks.

snowstorm · August 24, 2014, 05:34:41 PM

3 axle truck is 69000 lbs +10% = 75900. a 3 axle trailer and tractor is 100000lbs. the trucks they run in the lake states with a pup it must take 40 acres to turn that thing around. and wit 2 pusher axles and a tag dose it steer on ice and snow covered roads?

1270d · August 24, 2014, 06:00:47 PM

some guys run a steerable pusher. I have never driven truck so I cant say how they handle, but I have heard of having two tags and one pusher to shorten the wheelbase and help turning.

those are some fine looking peterbuilts. I love the look of the big chrome visors over the windshields.

chester_tree _farmah · August 24, 2014, 06:04:52 PM

Yeah the newer looking ones just don't float my boat.

BargeMonkey · August 24, 2014, 10:52:40 PM

The guy who hauls pulp for me is legal for 118k, thats 1 steering, 1 drop, 2 drive, 1 drop, and 2 axles on the pup. He averages 33-35 tons easy with hemlock pulp. I have a Sterling rear mounted log truck, and you cant pay me to go back to a cab mount. Back in, load, drive out.

barbender · August 25, 2014, 12:58:21 AM

I've only ran center mounts hauling wood, but the few guys around here that run a rear mount/pup combo do it because they are more maneuverable. They say if you can drive in with a pick up they can get turned around in there, too. I think it depends on if the hitch and front axle on the pup locks.

coxy · August 25, 2014, 07:35:29 AM

I have seen guys pick the pup up with the picker and hold them or move them side to side to get it in tight spots seems to work and they always say on the way out the pup has to fallow the truck :D don't know if there boss would be happy to see it done ;D

Autocar · August 25, 2014, 03:15:37 PM

Rear mounted loaders with pup trailers are a common site around here legal 80,000 and with a permit a 100,000 on state highways only.

jwilly3879 · August 25, 2014, 07:39:16 PM

Here in the Adirondacks it is usually a triaxle with a rear mount loader and a pup trailer. They can in almost anywhere and definitely can go where a tractor trailer can't. I have also seen them pick the pup up with the loader and swing it around. We are 3/4 mile back in the woods and a tractor trailer couldn't make some of the turns. They jackknife the pup around so the loader is right up to the decked wood and away they go. One hauler takes about 20 minutes to load 7000bf, bind down and is on his way.