Stihl ms 192 t c-e or c-e

[Reddog]

If you want to pack one or have one that fits on the floor board of your tractor they are handy.

And 100% not what they were designed for.

[HolmenTree]

As pointed out earlier multi billion dollar corporation Stihl goes as far as printing this information what these saws are designed for so end of argument :P

But to be honest I think the high price of these top handle saws would deter anyone from buying one to carry on his tractor :D

[ZeroJunk]

Stihl is concerned about lawsuits. They are somewhat more dangerous and an ambulance chaser could get some mileage out of that.

Sort of defies logic that they can't be used safely on the ground since plenty of people have been doing it for years.

[HolmenTree]

Sort of defies logic that they can't be used safely on the ground since plenty of people have been doing it for years.

Yes and stats have shown their dangerous because alot of people naturally operate them with one hand like their a toy or something and then they or a bystander get bit.

[Andyshine77]

Proven fact that top handle saws used on the ground cause more fatigue during use and more accidents than a rear handle counter part.

UK's HSE did a massive study because of the injury rate with top handles. Their bottom line was that they are needed for aerial work, but should not be used on the ground.

With on ground injuries that high in pro/trained users, no they are not safer with two feet on the ground.

What does pro/trained user mean?? In the real world most groundies, for lack of a better term, are day laborers. However because they work for a tree company of some type, they are now pro/trained users.     

[ZeroJunk]

Sort of defies logic that they can't be used safely on the ground since plenty of people have been doing it for years.

Yes and stats have shown their dangerous because alot of people naturally operate them with one hand like their a toy or something and then they or a bystander get bit.

Could be.  You really don't need to think to know that is a bad idea.

[Reddog]

UK uses a Certification system for chainsaw operators in any business. So anyone operating a chainsaw for a business has to have had training and passed these Certification tests.

So the UK study data didn't include the casual or homeowner saw user.

Sweden has very similar study data. They also recommend any one doing TSI/thinning work use a saw equipped with a Trio chain brake.

[Andyshine77]

UK uses a Certification system for chainsaw operators in any business. So anyone operating a chainsaw for a business has to have had training and passed these Certification tests.

So the UK study data didn't include the casual or homeowner saw user.

Sweden has very similar study data. They also recommend any one doing TSI/thinning work use a saw equipped with a Trio chain brake.

Let me ask. In the proper hands, what would make a top handle saw more dangerous on the ground than in a tree?? Sorry it defies all logic. If the study is correct, the only difference I can see is the guys who climb, are not only more experienced, but likely of higher intelligences IMHO. But to be honest most of these studies are often skewed for financial or political gain of some type. 

   

[woodfirst]

Proven fact that top handle saws used on the ground cause more fatigue during use and more accidents than a rear handle counter part.

UK's HSE did a massive study because of the injury rate with top handles. Their bottom line was that they are needed for aerial work, but should not be used on the ground.

With on ground injuries that high in pro/trained users, no they are not safer with two feet on the ground.

RedDog can you provide a link or post the study report?

My experience with a 192 T has been that are much easier to handle and cause less Fatigue.  Due to their balance and lightweight I am able to hold it further away from my body and acutally have mor control.  I do not use it with one hand.  Like most I use a bigger saw, 361 for felling/bucking and the 192  is the perfect companion for brush work, trail clearing and packs great on a snowmobile or ATV.

[Reddog]

 A few examples from a mix of local and International chainsaw users that I know, covering the last 8 or more years.

Top handles on the ground:
One poked the running tip in between his nose and eye while on the ground, during a trip and fall accident.
Two others cut their forearms requiring tendons to be reattached, while trimming hedges/limbs or brush.
One managed to cut his chest while trimming a hedge.

All four are alive and suffer still at some level from the injures.

Top handle aerial work:
During the same time frame I remember two injures from top handles with cuts to the forearm while one handing.

Rear handle:
During the same time frame I know of no Cut injuries from the use of rear handle saws both in tree or on ground, with in the same group.

But do know of three torn shoulders from using/reaching with rear handle saws at or above shoulder high, then having the saw ripped out of the hands by tension/bind.


So being a Timber harvester/Arborist I have tried to educate myself on the dangers from all aspects of this trade.


If someone has an interest they can start reading here.

http://bit.ly/1qIHpsO



as always Your mileage and opinion may vary and all that other jazz.