Logger damage to residual stand

[SwampDonkey]

I'm wondering if it's really that severe. Sure, it's on the books here in NB. But if you can yard up small streams no wider than a cow path, and turn it into a multiple channel brook like veins in a leaf and on public land, whose going to enforce it elsewhere? I think besides DNR on crown land, there might be 3 Dept of Environment in the whole of NB. With all the messes in the woods around here, you never hear of convictions. I've seen steep ground logged off and have those gravelly side hills give way and wash down Salmon River, a good many times. Laws aren't much good if not enforced.

[Jamie_C]

Swamp ... very different here in NS, this winter every Crown block we were on the DNR flew over once a week in a helicopter to inspect the site. They have no trouble pressing charges here.

[Stephen Alford]

   Here in PEI riparian zone damage has fines that start at 10,000 for a contractor and 2000 dollars for a landowner. Just for comparison, thought I would add a couple of pics.


  This would be a gully were drainage and accumulation would begin.



 
Put a sediment barrier about 100' down the gully.



 
About 100' below that water starts to dampen the ground.



 
Riparian zone begins were water volume and flow are sufficiant to cut the surface of the ground...LFG layer



 
All activity must stay back 100'.

[SwampDonkey]

Never done here on private land and haven't seen it on crown land either other than along road ditching. Some places where I thin the ground is one rut to the next, all cut up.

I was thinning a block near an operation that was harvesting in heavy down pore. They had the public road all trashed. A ranger comes along through a woods road narrow enough for barely a pick-up truck to ask if I could move. Where? Anyway it was raining hard then, so I was leaving soon. I asked him about the road they trashed and the harvesting in heavy rain, whether that was what they called BMP. His response was something like they gotta do what they do. So that's how it works up here.  :

[John Woodworth]

I re bee your first posts on this and the continual bad posts on what was going on, your forester and the logger should have been fired long ago so to be realistic, they got their money and you are going to be stuck with some horrendous bills for clean up and fines, should have listened to advice others gave long ago, I myself can't imagine how people like this are allowed to operate and surly hope you take them to court for damages and the outcome on your behalf is in your favor, sue them for the cleanup, ground restoration,, damage to the left trees and aggravation, unprofessional ism and what ever else you can think of, run them out of business, Better buissnes beauro, word of mouth, talk with DNR about them, your going to end up dealing with them eventually with the stream issue, get these guys Blackballed, they did it to you and they will do it to others.
Good Luck.

[beenthere]

Shout out to Tom... How did the re-conditioning of your woodlot go since the walk-through in April?
Hope there was some recourse for you and brother to get the place put somewhat back in reasonable order and usable for trails and such.

[barbender]

Tom kind of left us hanging...

[so il logger]

It's logging not landscaping!!

This is correct. Logger's get a bad name, i can not attest to how said property was treated. I do the best i can for the future of the land and timber growth. I am 3rd generation in the trade, i have logged tracts that my father had logged twice before me. I am not by any way saying this landowner was not wronged. I am saying sometime's there is no way of pleasing a landowner, once the check is cashed.

[OntarioAl]

Every time I read this thread my blood begins to boil.
The OP hired a Forester to protect his interest and there is evidence that he (the Forester) failed to do this.
If a Forester operated like this in Ontario he is liable  and can be sued and have his license to practise forestry suspended or revoked.
The logger in my opinion based on the pictures and operating practises was of the "get er done" type operating in the grey area, definitely not a leader in  quality operations.
In my opinion the Forester is responsible for this fiasco and it may be that the OP is not responding because the mater may now be before the courts.
My nickel's worth
Al

[barbender]

X2, Al