installing a barko 80 loader

dirthawger · February 10, 2018, 02:19:33 PM

hey everyone,

I found a nice used barko 80 that i plan on installing on my international 1800, ive never done anything like this is it hard to do? i don't have a pto hook up on my transmission, what other options would i have?

starmac · February 10, 2018, 03:06:04 PM

Are you saying that you do not have provisions on your tranny or just no pro on it at this time?

What engine and tranny?

I have a drilling rig that is run off of a pto, it is a heavy duty pto that the drive line runs through, instead of a gear in the tranny.
I used to run a winch truck that had the same pto setup, these are, were old rigs, not sure if they are still available or not.

Years ago I had a 69, 1800 that had a straight 5 speed, I installed a four speed brownie behind it, mainly to get the over drive and split the gears, but it worked out well to run the pto off of the brownie.

BargeMonkey · February 10, 2018, 04:26:26 PM

Behind the cab is easier, i mounted my hood 7000 on the back and your quite a bit of pipe and hose. Most of them mount with longer bolts, threaded rod. Sure these no PTO cover on the back end of the trans ? Can always mount a hydro pump belt drive but that can be alot of screwing around.

MikeZ · February 10, 2018, 04:40:56 PM

Dirthawger- Your transmission should have either 6 or 8 bolt cover plates on the sides of it. You need to find tag on tranny and go to someone who installs pto's. They can determine which pto you need. Lots of choices,speed,rotation,placement of drive gear,helical or spur, type of engage/air, cable, rod, direct mount hyd pump or shaft. Best to seek knowledgeable advice here, this is the heart of your system.

Gearbox · February 10, 2018, 04:49:42 PM

If you have never done it you should go to someone and have the PTO installed . It is easy and cheap to have it done right . It can cost you a tranny If set up wrong . The PTO has to be shimmed for back lash . I have done many and wouldn't even attempt to tell you how .

starmac · February 10, 2018, 05:01:13 PM

Just because there is a pto access plate does not mean that there is a gear in there to run it, some trannys come without them.

There is also different pto setups, you will want a married unit, but you can get it in either hot shift or normal. the hotshift are nice, but more expensive, do not last as long and not really an advantage on a loader.

Maine logger88 · February 10, 2018, 05:14:58 PM

If it's a loadstar 1800 it should have a t34 or t35 transmission. They should have a 6 bolt cover on each side for a pto. If this has a 345 or 392 v8 I would get a 80 or 90 percent pto and run the engine rpms 15 or 1600 while running the loader. If it has a diesel you can run a faster pto and run the engine slower.

Gearbox · February 10, 2018, 05:16:52 PM

On the 1800 series it will be PTO ready . Yes a PTO set up to accept a bolt on pump are nice but expensive . If the loader comes with a pump use what you get . Drive shaft driven work well to just a shaft and u joints to maintain .

starmac · February 10, 2018, 05:34:40 PM

Yes, I would use a shaft drive if it comes with one already, or maybe even if the pto was already there and all I had to do was buy the pump.
I would never go shaft drive If I had to buy the whole set up though.

snowstorm · February 10, 2018, 05:52:25 PM

Do not use threaded rod. Go to a spring shop and buy u bolt rod. It's grade 8 or better

dirthawger · February 10, 2018, 07:34:48 PM

i can't seem to figure out how to post picture's but its an automatic so i think that might be an issue. so didn't know what my options were.

Maine logger88 · February 10, 2018, 07:55:52 PM

It must be a newer truck than I'm picturing then. Probably have to have a front mounted pump like a snowplow then

moodnacreek · February 10, 2018, 08:37:23 PM

My F 1800 loadstar has a 105% pto that runs the picker@ 12 to 1400 rpm. It's a 392; 5 and 4 spd. aux. the pto is on the main transmission, a new process. It is a pto/pump combo, I believe 25 gpm. If this rig is for yard work, put the loader on the rear and you will love it.

Gearbox · February 10, 2018, 10:52:24 PM

That automatic has a PTO port . You just put it in gear to stop the turning engage the PTO and shift to N set the speed and go . My neighbor has a Mack dump with a auto loves it . Might be a good time to change oil in the automatic anyway .

dirthawger · February 10, 2018, 11:17:19 PM

Awesome news, but ill have my mechanic install it for me, he's a diamond in the rough, only charges $50 an hour and charges by the job. Dude spent 6 hours trying to find an airbag for my truck. Still only charged me $50. I do use this for logging i just have a small logging operation and need a loader. Also acquired a barko 1080c that's being delivered tomorrow. As far as seats go, my rig has one big seat and i can't find any seatbelts which is no bueno. Im guessing itd be expensive to rip that seat out and just install a driver seat with a seatbelt wouldn't it?

starmac · February 11, 2018, 02:11:36 AM

What year model is it, it may not need seatbelts.

dirthawger · February 11, 2018, 08:48:36 AM

its a 1988 but as far as needing or not needing them by law, doesn't really matter to me, i need a seatbelt i feel naked without one.

mike_belben · February 11, 2018, 09:28:02 AM

Ebay? Car-part.com?

I used to work four boulevard autoparts on page blvd in springfield mass. They had a handful of those bench seat IH cabs when i moved and did mail order. Ask for dennis.

dirthawger · February 14, 2018, 03:21:19 AM

I appreciate all the replies, I did have 2 different options right now. These self loading log trucks are perfect for my operation. Now i can either buy this loader for $3000 and then get it installed by my mechanic, on big trucks and equipment he charges $85 an hour. May end up having to spend an extra $5-7k to buy a new transmission if mine doesn't have a pto port. I may not know what to look for but ive looked everywhere and can't find it. Or I can sell my log truck like it is and buy one for sell with the loader already one it for $10000. Its a 1979 Mack self loading log truck with a prentice 110. Seller stated that truck and loader work good, all the tires look good, but that price seems a little too good to be true. Is that a fair price for a good working unit? I can buy that one or a 1981 frieghtliner with serco 8000 loader for $27000, which is a little more than i was wanting to spend but i do understand you get what you pay for. What are yalls thoughts?

Gearbox · February 14, 2018, 09:28:50 AM

One more option would be to hang a small diesel under the side of the bed . run truck water back to it . Always warm and ready to go . I had a friend put a PTO on a Turbo 400 for a wrecker .Drove it but never looked under it .

mike_belben · February 14, 2018, 11:23:55 AM

We kinda dont have enough info to be good help.

Need to know everything about your current truck. What motor trans suspension gvw and tires does it have on it? Is this a proven truck.. Have you run it hard up hill fully loaded and know its good, or a truck you just acquired and plan on running? How much time and money have you put into it? How many boardfeet are you planning to haul, how far, and what terrain? Will this truck be run into the woods or is it for tree service front yard logging? Do you have CDL?

All trucks, whether specd right or wrong for the job, will need a boatload of maintenance over time. Jumping out of a truck you have tested and kept maintained to get into one that you hope doesnt lose a liner O-ring, headgasket or push rod on its first week in service is plain old gambling. 100% luck. I always lose this bet. Every piece of equipment ive ever owned was due for some sort of overhaul and a cheap 80s mack log truck is gonna be right in that boat no matter how you slice it, unless by the grace of god himself. They were great trucks and its probably spec'd right, but even the best machines must wear by the hour. When you talk about your mechanic rates it ups the risk even more. Most startup loggers are also truck and equipment mechanics by necessity. Do you have the savings or other income to pay a mechanic if the truck goes down and log income halts? Can you fix yourself if not? Have you got a 14ft bay door in a shop? If not, will you lay in the dirt or bust out the tarps? Thats a loggers life.

These are serious questions and theyre all critical in order to give advice that contains even a shred of soundness for your unique predicament. All considerations must be weighed and measured.

starmac · February 14, 2018, 12:07:44 PM

Everything Mike said plus some is true, not trying to discourage you, but just being realistic.
Just keeping an older truck dot compliant is costly and if paying a mechanic to keep it up is seldom a workable solution.

We need to know what your plan is, I was assuming, you wanted to mount the loader on an 1800 int, to use as a loader to load other trucks, are you now talking that the plan is to use it as a log truck. I know where a very nice late model single axle with a loader and a dump is sitting in the woods, and has been for over a year. The aspiring firewood logger bought it, probably in the 50,000 range and quickly figured out that it didn't have enough payload left to haul enough wood to town to pay for the diesel. He now uses a dodge 1 ton with a dump and a dump trailer and has more payload.

I doubt you will have to change your tranny to mount a pto, but is so going from the allison to a standard is a sex change, not a straight tranny swap and if hiring a mechanic to do it, probably cheaper to buy a truck.

mike_belben · February 14, 2018, 12:28:07 PM

Without a CDL and DOT# payload will always be a huge issue.

With a CDL and DOT# payload goes to the back of the line and getting shafted by the weigh station blitz lottery moves to the front. The moment a truck leaves the dealership, it is in violation of something. The laws virtually ensure it. Evade capture.

starmac · February 14, 2018, 01:11:34 PM

Believeme, I understand the evade capture, BUT the way violations go against your license safety rating anymore, it just doesn't pay.
It used to be that you just had to make sure you were making enough to pay big brother when caught, but it does not work that way anymore.

A guy has to make enough to keep his equipment dot legal and be adamant about it. Several years ago I was bobtailing not 50 miles from where he lives and about Midnight on christmas eve, a dot pulled me over on the interstate. I thought he was just a trooper and knew I was not speeding, but he told me he was just doing inspections. Hungry I guess.

A few months ago, I got a ticket for not having mudflaps on my personal old work pickup, it is an 89 model and never had any nor any place to mount them, without building something, again HUNGRY.

starmac · February 14, 2018, 01:35:00 PM

I will say this, Louisiana has, or at least had the best minor overload tickets in the country, 1 penny a pound, pay cash right there and it does not go on your record, plus they can't give you another ticket for that load that day. I could get a 15 dollar ticket when I entered the state and go on across with no worrys. No experience, but I understood that heavy overloads were treated differently and got expensive.

But if he crosses the state line, and it is right close, then Texas has roving dot's and they can show up anywhere at any time, mostly daytime. It used to be that Texas had some exemptions for log trucks, length for one, not sure what all they were.