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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2018, 07:22:22 AM »
Sounds like we are on the same page. Iíve been cutting red maple way back myself and every tree that is crooked or deformed unless itís a hickory or white oak. I have been leaving some of the poplar even if I can only get one saw log out of it. Iíve cut some decent red maple, but the thing Iíve noticed is that thereís a lot of heart rot in it for what seems like a fairly young tree. Iím finally on the down hill battle with tree of heaven. It was spread out in patches over 34 acres and let me tell you that was a chore. Remedy ultra and tordon rtu are a mans best friend. Iíve used the help of the state forester and the retired state forester who works for the nwtf now. They sure have been a wealth of help on this project. I have a large amount of white oak regeneration and some of what they left is starting to get close to saw log size. I plan on spending my life cutting out the deformed timber and hopefully when my boy is ready to retire, he should be able to coast into it my selecting a few loads of white oak here and there. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2018, 07:31:11 AM »
ohio have you been checking the growth of your trees since you started the thinning if so how much do you think there growing per year 

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2018, 07:42:23 AM »
Good on ya OHWC.  Hope to see some pics one day
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2018, 08:00:51 AM »
   There sure is more similarity in goals than in woodlot variables that is for sure.  Every time we work on woodlot enhancement one of the motivators is advertisement. Being able to do a "walk and talk" with a potential client 0n a job you have done makes the process so much easier. First  comes the preparation for that encounter.  So by putting a good trail around your property with stops were you can stop and show through the illustration  what you have done really helps to convince the client that you and your services are what they desire.  For example I will leave an area untouched adjacent to an area that has been thinned. The new tec cameras give you great potential to chronicle what you have done and accomplished. If you were to set up your property as a "demonstration" woodlot then it becomes multipurpose.  Got to say after seeing your snake pics ....when you get your clearing saw get the...LONG SHANK  version.  :D

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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2018, 08:16:56 AM »
Funny thing with the snakes is ive had more issues with them right in my living area than out in the brush.  I dont like snakes but after a few sleepless nights with mice scratching through the cabinets and ductwork, i realize me and black snakes can actually be pals.  As long as they stay out of my boots outside. 

I am hoping to acquire the abandoned 9 acres next door via tax auction one day and it looks every bit as bad as my place.  Theres a skid road on that and trails on mine.  Next door is always available for an example of ugly even if i dont buy it.  
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2018, 08:32:10 AM »
This is just a rough guess, I could be off and donít take it as the gospel but it appears that my white oak gets about 1-2ft a year. I have one ridge top that has some ash on it and back in 2013 when I bought the place it was around 5-6ft and after a wind storm and knocking a few Virginia pines out of the way it appears to be around the 15-18ft margins. Thatís just a rough guess. I could be off and donít want to make it sound like Iím story telling. Iíll get some pictures next time out. I really didnít think you guys would be interested in that kind of stuff, since itís not really logging so to speak. I just have a strong desire to have the place looking like it did when I was a kid before they veneered it in the 90ís. I just hate the sight of a clear cut but understand itís purposes. I have one whole hill side that will probably get it due to small growth and not any really good trees. I have large stands of Virginia pine scattered out and I was going to knock them all down, but since thereís no market that I can find. Iíll just let them stand for roast trees for the turkeys. It sure is nice to stand on one hill side and look at the other in the fall and see all the oak still holding on to there leaves. It sure was depressing when I first bought the place though.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2018, 08:44:39 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2018, 09:34:17 AM »
Thatís true, but man is it a huge undertaking at times. Between working up in the woods, starting from scratch on building a house, putting in septic, water lines, electric etc plus working a full time job. It sure makes you just want to throw your hands up in the air. I could start a whole ten year plan thread of my own with the amount of work Iíve done and the pictures I got. I finally hired out some of my work. The Amish are supposed to come in March and frame up and dry in my pole barn.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2018, 10:08:55 AM »
Thanks for the pointers stephen, id love a clearing saw but it isnt in the cards for now.  Someone gave me a broken stihl 55r i think it is and ive been hoping to get it fixed and put on a saw chain cutter head but no money for the parts it needs right now.
IMO, those saw chain cutter heads on a clearing saw are waste of time. The ones that look more like a circular saw blade are a whole lot more productive in the woods. Swamp Donkey and a couple others on there have a lot of experience with those saws. A few years ago, SD recommended a specific type/brand of replacement blade. I can't find the link right now, but think it was called a "Maxi" blade. It seemed to be a much better grade of steel and a whole lot more solid than the cheap blade that came with my clearing saw.
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2018, 11:13:18 AM »
 Great pictures and work being done. Does your area have any funding through the state for TSI work. I just got an approval for 35 acres of edge feathering on a Farm a recently purchased. The goals of the edge feathering is more habitat minded but I also use it to release some quality crop trees. 
  You are creating a show place as to what can be accomplished with hard work and dedication to the future generations. 

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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2018, 01:49:48 PM »
Yes, USDA equip program is one and i cant recall name of the other.  I do mention them when i am trying to sell TSI to big plot owners.  But theyre reimbursements and require money out of pocket for professional management plan, the reimbursement isnt guaranteed.  

In my case its not gonna stay forest, im building a business out front and a secluded cabin home out back.  

John, thanks for the info, ill do some research.  It wont bother me at all to make a circular saw adapter.   I have plenty of carbide steel demon blades for my worm drive that are too chunky for steel anymore but probably great in sapplings.  Id cut every other tooth if needed.
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2018, 02:21:16 PM »
Thatís true, but man is it a huge undertaking at times. Between working up in the woods, starting from scratch on building a house, putting in septic, water lines, electric etc plus working a full time job. It sure makes you just want to throw your hands up in the air. I could start a whole ten year plan thread of my own with the amount of work Iíve done and the pictures I got. I finally hired out some of my work. The Amish are supposed to come in March and frame up and dry in my pole barn.
Ha.. I thought you were talking about me at first!  Wife and i had 2 kids, lost 2 houses and moved to a field 990 miles away. Id say ive made about 10 trips and have 20 to go.  Still have a machine shop to move.  Then probably my dad, so make that another 20. 
But, with future generations in mind, its been worth every bump and bruise.  My boy found a pair of axe heads in the dirt this morning and said dad can you make me an axe.  I said no, but ill make one for your son.  
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2018, 04:17:26 PM »
Moving on to red maple.  Extremely prolific shade tolerant reproducer whose seed has no deer value im aware of.


Don't know about deer, but the goats will tear up the seeds the fall in the yard.  The kids have to get any helicopters they want before the goats come back for the night or they will not be one left.

Even so, not enough reason for me to leave them in the woods compared to the downsides.  The ones we have are in the yard that I planted when I was 8-10 years old.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2018, 06:42:22 PM »
John, thanks for the info, ill do some research.  It wont bother me at all to make a circular saw adapter.   I have plenty of carbide steel demon blades for my worm drive that are too chunky for steel anymore but probably great in sapplings.  Id cut every other tooth if needed.
Do NOT use a regular Circular saw blade!! They cannot take the RPMs of a clearing saw (and they may not react well to hitting a rock) - you risk creating a shrapnel launcher.

Here is a link to the type of blade I am talking about:
Husqvarna Maxi Brush Cutter Blade

This is just one brand, and it may not fit the saw you have (OD of the blade and the arbor hole size vary among brands and models).

This Maxi-style blade seems to hold up better than Husqvarna Scarlet Blade. The Scarlet blade does not hold up as well as the Maxi style. However, both the Scarlett and Maxi cut better than the chainsaw style cutter blade, IMO.

(I am not liking the new way the forum handles links. No control over how it appears in the post, and I'm not sure why it's replacing some of the displayed text with "robot check") (EDIT: thanks Jeff - I went back and fixed how the links displayed based on your tip.)
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2018, 07:52:10 PM »
"Funny thing with the snakes is ive had more issues with them right in my living area than out in the brush.  I dont like snakes but after a few sleepless nights with mice scratching through the cabinets and ductwork, i realize me and black snakes can actually be pals.  As long as they stay out of my boots outside. "


never had a snake in my shoe but i sure hate it when a scorpion sleeps in it

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2018, 08:52:36 PM »
Did see scorpions at 29 palms once, they can keep em!

Thanks for setting me straight john. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2018, 08:59:05 PM »
I like to check on the maple suckers too. The deer can find them better than me.
I did a small thinning one winter. I cut the tree down and left the tops. I would haul out the so called logs. I would leave the tops over night or 2-3 days. Than haul the tops out and cut down some more trees. This was in an area that I did not want any brush on the ground. The tops was being hauled to a brush pile. The deer would chomp the ends of the limbs. I tried to leave 2-3 tops at a time. Don't want the deer to fight over them,which they will.
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2018, 11:08:28 PM »
You just keep those little creatures in CR teakwood. LOL
Make sure you know how to fall properly when you fall and as to not hurt anyone around you.
Also remember, it's not the fall what hurts, its the sudden stop. !!

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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2018, 06:52:51 AM »
They're not venomous it just hurts like hell for about 15min. I actually prefer a scorpion sting than a wasp or bee, for me there is no swelling on scorpion stings.

On the other hand my best friend get a sore tongue for 2 days if he gets stung by a dark scorpion. the clear ones aren't that bad    
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2018, 08:29:55 AM »
So the dark ones dont like being licked then.  Noted.
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