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Re: New guy with a hobby mill
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2018, 08:04:06 AM »
Actually, we were so stoked and wanting to get the tools put away that we did forget to take pictures of the mill on there till after we had the tarps over it...  DUH!!!  I'll get some pictures when we get back to leveling and tweaking her in.

I am familiar with both black and honey locust.  I'm not well versed on the difference, but I was under the impression that the honey locust have more thorns on them than the black locust.  So I have been gathering the ones with barely any thorns.  I have found several back in the woods that were cut many years ago (at least 15 -20) and just left laying there.  The bark was gone and sapwood was punky, but the heartwood was hard and tough.  A lot of that got cut and split for firewood and it is a hot long lasting fire.

Please fill me in on which is best for long lasting building material and how to really tell the difference.  We are a little late on these posts, but I'm wanting to learn as much as possible.  Hoping to get 10 to 15 years out of this foundation although John is much younger than I am and I'm sure he's hoping for 40 years out of it.  Also getting a shed up around it may extend the life of the posts as well??

I'm wanting to put a deck on the back of my house using locust, I need to know more about getting the best wood for the job.  I have heard of others using black locust.  I understand it is not buggy and resists rot for many years.  I could also treat it with Tim-Bor if needed.  I have used that in the barns to keep out powder post beetles.  From what I've seen though, the locust shouldn't need that treatment.

We learned a lesson on lag bolts...

Life does get in the way of fun productive stuff sometimes.  I've had my share of setbacks over the years, and kinda feeling like I'm hitting my stride a little late in life.  Keep pluggin'.  Having two of us working together also makes it go faster and much easier.

Thanks all.
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Re: New guy with a hobby mill
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2018, 09:07:33 AM »
Black Locust will virtually have no sapwood, usually about 1/8" and it will last "forever" in the ground.  Honey Locust can have an inch or so of sapwood and will not last as posts in the ground.  Whether or not it has thorns will not differentiate between the two.  Google the two different species for some pictures of the bark, etc. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2018, 05:00:26 PM »
I spent some time on line looking up the differences between black locust and honey locust.  I took a quick ride back through our woods last evening and I was only able to locate a few black locust.  Almost everything on this side of the creek is honey locust.

:(   :P
Somewhat dissapointed, but after reading a lot about it, there were mixed reviews.  In general the Honey locust isn't as good at rot resistance as the Black, but is still a pretty tough wood.  I'm still probably going to use it for a deck on the back of the house, but sink concrete foundations instead of directly putting the posts in.  I'll use some type of sealer on the deck also.

Hoping that will give it 20 years and I don't think I'm gonna care too much after that...
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Re: New guy with a hobby mill
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2018, 06:58:11 PM »
Welcome to the forum MAF143,

Be careful around that locust sawdust - it is a very dangerous gateway drug as inhaling just a little bit can be very addictive - and can build up in your blood resulting in a long term addiction which will grow to include other tree species and spread to owning other equipment such as edgers, kilns, and planers.   :D
I was born an addict.   You will fine out soon that the forum is addictive as well.  A bunch of sawmillers telling big lies.  Who wouldn't like that? :D :D :D
Seriously, these guys are great and the experience is invaluable.  Welcome to the forum.

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 10:32:42 PM »
We got the rails leveled, straightened out, and screwed down on the foundation today.  We took our time making sure everything was straight and true then made some test cuts.  Still a little vibration that bothers me, tomorrow we'll loosen the bolts in the cutting head frame and settle it in and re-torque everything since this is the first time on a leveled out set of rails. Shout out to goose63 for that tip.



Test cut on a small Ash log after the rails were all straight and level




Getting it all straightened and level


 


Looks good to me, time for some test cuts




My neighbor at the helm, this ash piece was just a teaser.

 


Then we cut some 2 by tens out of a locust log.  Time for first oil change and a fresh band in the morning.  
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2018, 01:16:48 PM »
Nice looking setup you've got there sir!
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Re: New guy with a hobby mill
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2018, 07:54:32 PM »
Looks like fun isnt being had by all!

After cutting locust the mill should be broke in!

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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2018, 10:02:30 PM »
I always liked my manual mill beds about knee high for what it's worth. Congrats on a good looking rig
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Re: New guy with a hobby mill
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2018, 11:30:51 PM »
We had about 5ish hours run time on the motor so we changed oil to get the "break in" oil out of there.  It looked a lot nastier than I thought it should.  Very metallic.  We will change it agian in another 5 hours to ensure that it is "cleaning up".  Probably gonna pop an hour meter on it to keep track better too.

First thing this morning we loosened all the frame bolts in the head and gave it some good wiggles to get it to settle down on the straightened, leveled track.  Seemed to help a lot, it rolls down the track and cuts much smoother now.  Thanks again goose63.  It would get a little rocking effect going on when in a large cut.  Nothing dangerous, but we just knew it needed to be more stable and this got rid of that.

We had started out with the standard 10 blade that came with it. Then after dulling it pretty quickly in locust we switched it out.  We had bought a 15 pack of WoodMizer 9 blades and noticed quite a bit of difference in setting the tracking when we switched brands.  Is this common when changing blade brands?  We have since switched between new WM 9 and not had to even touch the tracking.  Smooth sailing.  Of course being rookies we probably made adjusting the tracking for the first time more difficult than it really is...   ::)  We got if figured out, but I'm sure we looked like dumb and dumber for the first 15 minutes or so...  LOL

I ground one of the blades to 7 to give that a try in the locust.  We haven't got but a couple cuts on that blade yet.  It seems to be a bit smoother, but being a rookie, I might just be talking myself into it.  I have heard talk of 4 being good in hard woods, but that works better on higher power mills.  We are at the bottom of the power end with 9.5 but we're willing to sacrifice a little speed for smoother cuts and blade longevity.  Thoughts from the experienced are welcome.

We need more experience with it to get to know it and the blades better.  We did spring for an automatic sharpener so we can keep fresh blades on it.  I like sharp tools and being able to change and experiment with the hook angle for different situations.  I will probably build a setter one of these days to ensure we keep the blades tuned up properly.  One of my past "careers" was grinding tools in a steel mill so I understand the importance of keeping the tools well tuned.

Thanks everone for the comments on our setup.  We are trying to get this thing working smooth and easy as possible for a low cost hobby mill.  The tips I learned from this site have been AWESOME in getting us up the learning curve WAY quicker than if we had to figure all this out on our own.

Great site, Great Crowd, thanks again.

Just curious, would adding weight (up to a point) to the head help stabilize it in the cut by reducing vibration?  Has anyone tried this?  I know in some of the literature, some of the brands (can't remember where I read it) bragged about the head being heavier than the competition and that leading to a smoother more stable cut.  I'm always looking for ways to improve on things.
Always having a great day!
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