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Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« on: August 05, 2018, 10:54:34 AM »
Got to get a new planer and need advice.
Grizzly 24”, weighs 1130# and only planes boards.
Woodmaster 725 weighs 693# and planes and has gang saw option which is good but just how good is the sawing capability? Being basically half the weight of the Grizzly how much vibration? How thick and how many can it rip at once?
I will be needing it to plane hardwood countertops, some of which will be hickory.

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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2018, 05:10:53 PM »
No experience with the grizzly, but I just finished re-building a woodmaster 725 for a neighbor and I have a 718 with the gang rip. The saws are 4 inch which limits the thickness to under 2 inches. The blades are mounted on a husky steel shaft, as many as you want, the option comes with 2 blades. You are welcome to come hands on mine, or I can take you down to the neighbor with the 725. Also have in my shop for rebuild a 712 with the dual router option, but it's in un-usable condition...
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2018, 05:15:43 PM »
Can't comment on the 725, but I have the 718 which I imagine is somewhat similar. Gang saws take very little power relative to planing, so you should be able to run as many as you want. As for thickness, the 718 has 1" and 2" saws. I don't know if that's the same on the 725. I usually only saw finished dimension (3/4 or 1 1/2). I did run some that I think were around 1 3/4 and they barely were able to cut through.

Never really noticed vibration problems, though I'd recommend anchoring it to a concrete slab. 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2018, 09:58:42 PM »
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2018, 11:49:40 PM »
Can't tell you about the gang rip on a 725 - I use my Riehl for that sort of work, but as a planer she is quite the machine.  I had the same exact concerns with the weight - it's a non issue.  I use mine to pre-size material going into my 4 head, so when working she sees a continuous feed of 1" or 2" ash, oak, pine for the most part, 4" wide to 10" wide, almost always over 8' long, a lot push 16'.  Zero vibration issues and I don't have it bolted down.  I have fed some 25" material through it with no problems as well, other than making sure it was perfectly lined up and I had to remove the poly side guides.  I did have mine upgraded to the farm duty motor and have the traditional planer blades - I personally prefer those since I can sharpen them myself.  

Actually have to run a bunch of pine tomorrow 11" and 8" wide, 12' and 16' long through it.  
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2018, 01:02:12 AM »
I own and use a 20" grizzly planer and am very impressed with how solid the machine is.  I use this as an amateur woodworker, not a pro.  The 20" will plane up to 8" thickness.  No experience with a wood-master.
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2018, 08:13:43 AM »
A rule of thumb on planers is the heavier the better, although i don't know any of the mentioned machines. I also have a 20" grizzly and would often love to have a bigger, heavier more powerful machine. If professionally used segmented infeed rollers are a must!  
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2018, 06:16:52 PM »
 This isn’t directly related to your question  but I’m throwing it out as a price consideration point. 

I have had a grizzly 20 inch planer on order for over four months. It was due to ship next week but I just got a notice from grizzly that the price is going up due to the tariffs on Chinese imports. That may make a USA made machine look better. 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2018, 09:25:40 PM »
I was on that same list for 6 months, then got another delay notification. Cancelled the order and in 18 days my 725 was in the driveway. 

I bought a big Grizzly bandsaw about a decade ago and have been very happy with it, so I went back to them initially. Things appear to have changed there. 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 06:48:33 AM »
Thank you all for the information 
I’m going to look at a 725. I hope I like it I sure like the fact that Woodmaster is built in the America 
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 11:00:02 AM »
The situation with Grizzly is fairly simple. 
The company and companies that produce machinery for Grizzly are in the midst of upgrading their facilities and are now dealing with environmental requirements to reduce pollution in China.  Thus machinery has not been in production and Grizzly does not have some machinery to sell.
The recent increased tariffs has also resulted in increased prices for us consumers as machinery becomes available.
Machinery in stock comes in at the catalog price. Items coming in after the tariffs are activated will be about 25% more in Cost. 
Grizzly is simply stuck in the middle. 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 10:58:23 PM »
I had miserable luck with an 18" bandsaw from Grizzly. They should never have shipped that machine, both cast iron wheels were so far out of balance, nothing would stay on the table. In fact the castings were so bad, they were only partially machined. Lost all confidence in their quality. They can sell cheaper because the customer is their quality control and machine repairman. Go with the Woodmaster, they are much more likely to have one is stock.

By the way, Grizzly isn't happy with me repeatedly telling this story on the internet. I am now black balled there and they refuse to sell me anything else. At least we both are in agreement with that policy.

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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 02:00:12 PM »
Dean,  did you make a decision yet? I am still vacillating on whether to swallow the tariff charge or cancel my grizzly order and look at another machine.  Even with the tour of charge, the grizzly seems like the biggest bang for the buck that I have seen.  And money is very tight these days so price point matters. 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 06:18:30 PM »
Ironically I had a siding order last week that was different enough from the standard clapboard I make that I could not make it work on my re-saw and was too thin for my 4 head. A light bulb went off in my head and I ordered a moulding blade for my 725, did the job perfectly and I gained a valuable customer and a whole new siding market. I never intended to use the 725 for anything more than a planner and could not have made that order on the Grizzly I had planned to buy.
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 09:41:53 PM »
Hadn’t yet ,just can’t seem to make up my mind. 
Woodmaster is made in America and I like that and does more than just plane boards. I found in my research that the drum sander that could be better.
Would like to see how the gang saw works. Just how many can you saw at once.
Grizzly is made in China or Taiwan,I don’t like that. Its heavier than the Woodmaster and actually looks better built. So I just don’t know 
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 08:42:04 AM »
Is it the Grizzly with 5 Hp?  I have a 201HH Powermatic, with 7.5 hp, Byrd spiral head and I would not want any less horsepower.  If you are surfacing hickory countertops, full width, it will take all the power the machine has.  Of course, you can take smaller bites, but my guess would be 1/16” or less at full width with 5 Hp.  

A very useful feature of a larger planer is segmented infeed, which allows feeding of different height boards, simultaneously.  That’s also where hp makes a big difference, these bigger planers don’t have to be fed one board at a time, usually they are fed as many as they can hold, so in practice they will plane 3 six inch boards at one time as opposed to one six inch board at a time for 3X production rate.  That takes power because they can be fed max width, all the time.

Snipe is a constant issue and will butcher the last couple inches of a board or your countertop if the machine doesn’t have and adequate pressure bar adjustment.  Problem is, the heavier the piece, the important the strength and adjustability of the pressure bar come into play.  

Adjustable bed rollers are critical, in my opinion, as sometime they need to be pulled down into the bed for finish planing, but need to be quickly raised a little for better feeding of rough sawn or uneven boards.  

I believe, and I may be mistaken because I looked at them several years ago, but the Grizzley 24” is based on the old style Baker planer, which was a workhorse.  Of course, the newer Planer’s have gone away from that design to the more upright design, but it’s still a good design.  I don’t know anything about the Woodmaster.  I believe @WDH has a Grizzly like that, but I’m not sure the size, but he has planed a lot of wood with it.  

I’ve had another Grizzly Planer before and thought it was pretty good, although underpowered.  Personally, I wouldn’t want any less Hp for a heavy duty planer than 7.5, which is adequate in my Powermatic, but I’d rather have 10hp, but that requires 3 phase.  

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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2018, 10:03:41 AM »
My Grizzly GO544 has been a real workhorse.  Planed close to 80,000 bf through it and I am only on the second set of inserts.  Mine is 20” capacity with a 2 hp feed motor and a separate 5 hp cutterhead motor.  This one of the largest Grizzly planers that operate on single phase.  The next level requires three phase.  

The 20” shop planers with a single 5 hp motor are underpowered for a production planer.  
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Re: Grizzly 24” planer vs Woodmaster 725
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2018, 09:07:03 PM »
I have the Woodmaster 718 and have not had any problems in over 15 years of use.   I replaced the blades with the spiral head option about 10 years ago.  It sure speeds up planning and gives a real nice finish.   I have run my gang saw setup with 3 blades on stuff up to 1.5" at max feed speed.  I have also done a fair amount of molding for window and door casings and baseboards using the molding head or regular blade roller with pattern cutters installed.     Occasionally I use the drum sander option, but not often enough to make a judgment call and since I never used any other drum sander I can't compare.    I recently purchased the router attachment option to do 3 sided molding for making flooring.   I have not used it yet.

I am really happy with the quality and support Woodmaster provides.   I would recommend it to anyone looking for a planer/molder.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2018, 08:09:30 PM »
Thanks to all of you for the info
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