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Re: Thank you and Farewell Hoopty!
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2019, 11:36:51 PM »
Jeff, I just watched the blue streaker video.  I highly recommend that only senior members are allowed to borrow and or drive that car at the next pig roast!!!
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Re: Thank you and Farewell Hoopty!
« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2019, 09:13:55 AM »
We take care of our vehicles, but inevitably age and the michigan climate dictates they reach an end of life. They ain't there yet, but close enough we are always concerned to venture very far from home, or outside of our safety net.


So Tammy has been driving the 1999 silverado this summer to work. I drive the newer truck, but I don't go anywhere very often.  2 days ago she asked me if I thought the old truck would make it to Detroit and back as her mom wants to go visit her 94 year old cousin Leona for a weekend.   I said, well, it it won't make it down there and back, then it isn't  going to even last you another week driving it to work, because you put 500 miles a week on it for that.  She answered back, well I noticed it has got a shake above 70 mph.  I said, well, its probably a ujoint or a tire or something. Call J&G and see if Gary can get it on the lift to look it over.  She called and they said sure, bring it in in the morning.  Yesterday when Tammy got home from work in the morning, she said it was now shaking at lower speeds. I said, well, lets get it over there.  We dropped it off about 9 and came home. At 10 oclock, Vicky, Gary's wife called and said, you guys need to come down here.

Gary had put a rear u-joint in the driveshaft, and when he was torquing down the bearing cap clamps on reassembly, that is when he noticed the whole rear end tip sideways.  As I walked in, Gary was in his old office chair that he uses for a sit down creeper. He was sitting under the front of the truck looking out the garage door. As I walked up he said, you may or may not want to come under here.   The frame was broke just in front of the rear wheels. On the drivers side, it was completely broke. On the passenger side, it was 2/3s of the way broke. Almost anywhere you wanted, you could poke a screw driver through the frame it was that rotted. The frame where the top of the rear shocks mounted was completely rotted away and one shock was hanging at the top.  The truck is beyond fixing. I am so glad Tammy had phrased her question the way she did. It was so bad I got sick to my stomach looking at the truck thinking what could have happened at 70mph when she was feeling the shake.  So, we are down a work vehicle for Tammy. We were hoping to get two more years. I sure was lucky to have made this trade this topic is about and my premonitions were proven correct that we needed to do something. We would be in a bad place right now had I not made it.   I didn't take any pics while it was on the hoist as I was a bit gobsmacked at the time when I saw how bad it was.  It sort of p{pre-edited by admin} me off that the oil change place just a couple weeks ago didn't say anything.
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Re: Thank you and Farewell Hoopty!
« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2019, 09:26:22 AM »
Well that is a smack in the kisser!!  :-X
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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2019, 09:49:11 AM »
You seem to run into that these days, regarding seeing troubles at the garage and not mentioning it. We have mandatory inspections here and my cousin had an inspection and the garage did not mention the alignment or cause mentioned in the inspection. Had brand new tires on the vehicle after the inspection and they scuffed on the outer edges of the tread as they would if the vehicle was out of whack. She went after the garage about it and got two new front tires because of it. Mom ran into that to, with a local garage. I stopped going to these independent guys years ago. In the long run they cost us more money than the dealer. And I can get brakes installed at the dealer cheaper than any independent garage. I've priced it out. Tires are no more expensive, for the same tire. This inspection racket up here is just a guaranteed fee in their pocket no matter if they do the job they are suppose to or not. All they got to do is put that new windshield sticker on and make out the receipt. They are passing vehicles with rust through, that is suppose to be a failed inspection. So that right there proves the point.
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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2019, 09:52:58 AM »
the oil change place prob. did not look beyond the filter and plug, and a few grease zerks.  glad everyone is safe.
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2019, 12:17:02 PM »
We did a frame inspection for a customer 2 weeks ago on a Tacoma.  The Tech only made it about a foot off the ground and stopped when it "made some funny noise's".  The truck qualified for a replacement frame under the Warranty Extension Program.  It was bad enough that we put him in a 2019 Tacoma as a free to him rental.  The truck itself is real nice, well kept, no rust on the body, frame had a hole the Tech put his flashlight through!

Glad you caught it when you did Jeff, that's what matters most.

Why is it that we need to use all the salt and chemicals on the roads in winter?  Does anybody NEED to get to work that much quicker?  I remember growing up, the state used mostly sand on the roads, salt only during ice type events.  Towns hardly ever used salt on the road, it was too expensive, a hazard around water / ponds, and most towns around here have a town owned sandpit, so that material is at hand.  Now, the state spreads NO SAND in the Southern half of the state, AND they use a bunch of chemicals / sprays on the roads BEFORE and during storms! You can almost hear the car rusting away as you drive through that junk!  Ok, off my soap box now!
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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2019, 09:32:38 PM »
Sorry to hear that Jeff.

It is a very common problem on 90's chevy trucks, but not limited to gm.

Neighbor had to scrap 2 early 90's Dakotas for the same issue, the boxed frames hold moisture and rot from the inside out.

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« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2019, 11:36:20 AM »
Many years ago I worked with a guy who had an old pickup, and one day while driving across a bridge had the frame break in half right behind the cab. He stopped and got out, and before walking away figured he better take his shotgun off the gunrack along, so it wouldn't be stolen. He hadn't made it to the end of the bridge when a officer pulled up. He looked at the truck, looked at the gun, and said: "good shot!" :D
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« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2019, 01:46:59 PM »
Many years ago I worked with a guy who had an old pickup, and one day while driving across a bridge had the frame break in half right behind the cab. He stopped and got out, and before walking away figured he better take his shotgun off the gunrack along, so it wouldn't be stolen. He hadn't made it to the end of the bridge when a officer pulled up. He looked at the truck, looked at the gun, and said: "good shot!"


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« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2019, 03:32:46 PM »
10 years is all I got out of a '87 GMC S15, the body and the cross beams (pretty cheap ones at that) all rotted to snot. The wiring was starting to go bad to. Bought  a Dodge RAM next and it all fell apart in 8 years, piece of junk. :D
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« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2019, 07:29:06 PM »
We did a frame inspection for a customer 2 weeks ago on a Tacoma.  The Tech only made it about a foot off the ground and stopped when it "made some funny noise's".  The truck qualified for a replacement frame under the Warranty Extension Program.  It was bad enough that we put him in a 2019 Tacoma as a free to him rental.  The truck itself is real nice, well kept, no rust on the body, frame had a hole the Tech put his flashlight through!

Glad you caught it when you did Jeff, that's what matters most.

Why is it that we need to use all the salt and chemicals on the roads in winter?  Does anybody NEED to get to work that much quicker?  I remember growing up, the state used mostly sand on the roads, salt only during ice type events.  Towns hardly ever used salt on the road, it was too expensive, a hazard around water / ponds, and most towns around here have a town owned sandpit, so that material is at hand.  Now, the state spreads NO SAND in the Southern half of the state, AND they use a bunch of chemicals / sprays on the roads BEFORE and during storms! You can almost hear the car rusting away as you drive through that junk!  Ok, off my soap box now!

I bet that Tacoma was a few years old also, and past warranty. My buddy had his replaced at 180,000 miles. Toyot does stand behind thier vehicles much more so than the big three. Yes you pay more to buy them but  they last and last.
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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2019, 09:52:11 AM »
There was a few short years around the model 2000-2003's Tacoma or so, where Toyota bought back the trucks because of a frame issue. They were too light and would rust early. I was just talking a couple weeks ago with someone that worked at the local marketing board a few years back. They had a truck from those years that had 300,000 km on it and Toyota gave them $10,800 for the truck, that was $23,000 new. Around here the domestic vehicle makers might have given $1000 tops on a trade in, not a buy out. Makes a lot of difference deciding who to buy a vehicle from. ;)
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« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2019, 06:35:06 AM »
We who live in the glaciated area of the good old US or Canada have to suffer the consequences of heavy road salting.
MY 2014 GMC has a pretty rusty looking frame already.
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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2019, 08:30:56 AM »
I had a 97 Toyota Tacoma that got bought back by Toyota under frame warranty, they gave 150% of the bluebook in the buyback.  Best truck I ever had.   I had it from 2001 to 2009 and put 120K miles (had 190K when I let it go); paid $12K in private sale and Toyota gave me $10K for it in 09 (an offer which could not be refused).

It was funny, when they started the buyback I lookup book and was only worth $3-4K, but by time my truck was bought the book value was $7K.   Toyota drove up the value with every Tacoma they bought back, but they never seriously tried to sell me a new one.    Ended up with a Ford F150 as a replacement.

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« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2019, 10:05:34 AM »
The boss has a 1999, and he said they would not do the buy back for him. So I'm pretty sure it was after that. He's got over 500,000 on it now and he got it second hand. Maybe you had a different program offer than we had up here.
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« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2019, 11:33:32 AM »
Maybe his Tacoma passed the frame inspection by Toyota, or was older than 15 years.

Toyota to buy back rusted Tacomas - Reuters

Mine actually failed sticker inspection as rust had perforated completely through the frame, which I had the inspection done (by Toyota) before fixing my brakes.

It took them a month to process the paper work for the buyback, and it was shredded within 12h of them buying it.   It was crazy as it was the same time as cash for clunkers, so a lot of junk cars were on the lot.   Toyota didn't just seize the motor (like $forClunk) but destroyed every bit of the vehicle for risk that parts with the vin# would show up in another truck.   Too bad because it ran like a top, and had almost new tires.

During the month of processing, since I didn't have a sticker and brakes were failing, Toyota gave me a rental 2009 F150 super crew, just about brand new.   After driving the Ford for a month, it kinda grew on me.

After they gave me a check for $10,500 and I gave them the title; I am standing in the Toyota dealership with no ride, but couldn't get a sales person to give me any time.   I looked at the Tundra, but they wouldn't budge from the sticker price, so I walk across to the Ford dealer; who gave me a fantastic deal on a brand new 09 F150 Super Crew, since they were having trouble moving the full size trucks due to 'cash for clunkers' and economy sucked at the time.   Lots of factory incentives, and 2010 models were starting to come out, so dealer wanted it gone.
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Now my 10 year old Ford has body rot :(, so I need to get some bondo to get few more years..

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« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2019, 12:38:00 PM »
As about everyone knows/assumes, vehicles out here last forever without road salt.  I was thinking back of my first car I bought in N.Y.  It was a 1967 Delmont 88 with a 425.  Got it for $200 or so.  I thought a pretty good deal.  The lower end of the rear quarter panels were all rusted/gone along with the tops of the rear wheel wells, but the engine ran great and it was FAST.  That was in 1977 - it was only 10 years old and looked like, well, bad.  About 4 gallons of bondo and 10 cans of spray paint and it was good to go. ;) :D

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« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2019, 02:04:09 PM »
Dad had a Ranger new from 2006. It was rusting out by 2009 and Ford paid to have it redone. The vehicle never had more than 24,000 km, not miles. My brother sold it this year for $8,000 and it had signs of the rusties coming back but still had less than 50,000 on it. I can't ride in those at all, the steering and suspension is way too stiff.
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