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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2019, 04:05:56 AM »
One point mentioned many times is being able to see. I know you can get cheater lenses for a regular helmet but my question is can you get and auto darkening helmet with cheaters? In lieu of that, are any of the auto darkening inserts for a regular helmet worth buying? 
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2019, 08:22:25 AM »
I believe you can use cheaters  with auto darkening helmets. I don't know if it's worth buying an insert for an existing helmet. The helmet is the cheap part. A friend bought a Lincoln auto darkening helmet this winter. Easy better than three supposedly good one I bought a few years ago. I don't know the model, but it says Viking on it. It has a knob on the side for darkness setting, as well as a grinding mode.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2019, 08:31:07 AM »
Yes, they slipped inside the helmets we had in class. Look for a track inside the helmet, I'm not sure if they all have one.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2019, 08:37:53 AM »
I've tried cheaters in a-d helmets and didn't like the way they worked.  Using a pair of readers seems to work the best for me.  It's worth experimenting to find the best way for you though.  Seeing is important!  The cheater lens was only about 15$ at a welding shop.  

I don't think changing a regular helmet to auto-darkening would turn out well.  

I've bought some cheap helmets that work pretty good and some that don't work well so they're not all equal.  A friend loaned me a nice Lincoln (viking series I think) to compare and it is a much better piece of equipment.  Around $240 vs. $60 for the cheap ones.  Suspension much better, view much better.  You get what you pay for.  That being said, the $60 one is not too bad and I'm still using it - with my reading glasses.

It's really worth experimenting to find what works for you.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #144 on: August 04, 2019, 12:12:40 PM »
With a fast freeze rod you can"long arc" through rusty steel or painted .It won't look very good but with a second pass it will pretty up .Old machinery etc some times you just can't get a grinder to the part being repaired .Don't try it on cast iron though but most people won't even try to weld cast .
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #145 on: August 04, 2019, 12:27:41 PM »
As far as hoods ,when I was younger what  I used at work was the small glass type with a number 12 lens and a 2.5 flash google under .That was when I was lot younger and had better vision and was burning over 50 pounds a day of 7/32 iron powder rods at around 300 amps .
These days I have both a self darkening plus a large glass type with a number 10 lens which is dark enough rarely using anything larger than 1/8" rods . Eye glasses work a lot better in a large glass type because you can get the bifocal line right in the middle of what you are trying to weld and see 4 arcs .It gets rather confusing .

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #146 on: August 04, 2019, 06:42:47 PM »
I have a Jackson helmet and auto dark and the magnification fits perfect.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #147 on: August 07, 2019, 10:18:18 PM »
Here's another safety tip - Never forget that the part you just finished welding is hot.

No pictures, but I gave myself that reminder a few times over the weekend.

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #148 on: August 07, 2019, 10:25:16 PM »
Good point.

99% of the time I remember that.

100% would be better though.

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #149 on: August 08, 2019, 10:21:23 AM »
As far as the gas goes I have a 5 year lease with American Gas. I can exchange tanks at the local auto parts as they are a distributor. They don't do any of the billing although they can sign you up for the lease. Can't recall cost of original lease as I started with a ten year lease. They have had specials where you can renew the lease for$50.00. They have a store about an hour away where I can deal directly with them and they have in stock welding machines , plasma cutters, rod, wire, etc.

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #150 on: August 13, 2019, 05:51:11 PM »
Ok so I just had to try out the welder. Going to get into it a bit more this weekend. But here are my first 3 welds with zero prior welding experience. I can tell for sure that I'm rushing, going to have to work on that. Nice thing was, I picked up 20-30 pieces of scrap 1/4' for $5.  
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Don't get discouraged, practice, practice, practice. Someone had mention Jody's Welding Tips and tricks, he is a excellent teacher and really knows his stuff. Here is a link to Part 1 Mig welding. Take the time to check all 8 of them out. Best way to practice when starting out is just padding beads on a piece of 1/4 flat stock, make sure you quench it after laying down 3 or 4 beads as it will get HOT... Are you using Flux core or Mig process with 75/25 gas? Verify your polarity is correct for each.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #151 on: August 27, 2019, 11:35:19 AM »
It's as important to know the theory as it is to be able to lay down a pretty bead. Without proper prep, procedure and 100% penetration you have a weld that is apt to fail if fully loaded.   I was a lead hand in a code vessel shop and it amazed me how few of our welders really knew the code.  But they could follow what they were told to do and our work passed inspection.  A welding course taught by a good instructor (not all are) is your best bet.
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #152 on: August 28, 2019, 08:33:26 PM »
It's as important to know the theory as it is to be able to lay down a pretty bead. Without proper prep, procedure and 100% penetration you have a weld that is apt to fail if fully loaded.   I was a lead hand in a code vessel shop and it amazed me how few of our welders really knew the code.  But they could follow what they were told to do and our work passed inspection.  A welding course taught by a good instructor (not all are) is your best bet.
I'll say this.... when Qweaver talks welding, I listen. ;)
I wear my reading glasses all the time under my auto-darkening hoods.  As my eyes have aged I've had to resort to spotlights on the weld area, a cloth shield on my neck (from the hood to my shoulders to reduce ambient light behind the hood), and a silver line where I'm welding. Otherwise it's harder for me to see the line where I need to weld.
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« Reply #153 on: August 28, 2019, 09:26:53 PM »
As my eyes have aged I've had to resort to spotlights on the weld area, a cloth shield on my neck (from the hood to my shoulders to reduce ambient light behind the hood), and a silver line where I'm welding. Otherwise it's harder for me to see the line where I need to weld.

Some good tips right there for my tired eyeballs. That silver line sounds like a really good thing. Cant wait to try that. 
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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2019, 03:18:23 PM »
Well I thought I'd post to this old thread. I got so much advice that was greatly appreciated. Ended up going with a Hobart MVP210. Mig welding with gas is really a lot of fun, even for a DIY beginner like myself. Well it took about a 2 months of working an hour here and there, but the railing project is complete! Turned out even better than I expected, so much so that I've gotten requests from my parents and inlaws to install a couple small railings at their houses. Thanks again for all the input!

 

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2019, 11:28:24 PM »
Well you screwed up, now they know you have a welder and know how to use it the freebie jobs will never stop Ha ha. Nice railing by the way.

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #156 on: December 16, 2019, 06:17:39 AM »
Mig makes it easy to make pretty welds. Did you do any structural destructive testing on the welds? If its going to fail it should fail right next to the weld in what is called the HAZ, heat affected zone.

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« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2019, 03:51:19 PM »
Did you do any structural destructive testing on the welds?

I did some when I was teaching myself. My welder works on both 110 or 220, 110 was working well enough, but just didn't seem to be quite hot enough. Picked up a generator off craigslist pretty cheap, and running 220 makes a big difference. Welds are prettier and penetration is better. On the railing I ground down all the welds and in doing so was able to see that I was getting a proper weld. Had to touch up a few here and there, but got better as I got more practice.  

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #158 on: December 16, 2019, 04:19:55 PM »
Sweet. There is a reason they say all good welders are good grinders :) After a while you will not need to grind.

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Re: Tips on learning to weld?
« Reply #159 on: December 16, 2019, 05:49:41 PM »
Nice looking railing.
I might of posted this. But I had a small welder used 110. Than I got one that used 220. :o  What a difference. First off,no duty time,the 110 would shut off and I would have to wait for it to reset. Have not had that happen to the one that runs on 220.
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