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Re: The Greenhorn's initial sawing season 2019-20
« Reply #660 on: February 11, 2020, 04:49:36 PM »
Yeah, I always mess that part up. I add new stuff to the list as I am working that I think of as I go. When the day is over I may have crossed off 3 things, but added 4. :D ;D >:(
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« Reply #661 on: February 11, 2020, 05:09:16 PM »
Emily has made a clinical diagnosis for me - Level 10 MPD.  

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« Reply #662 on: February 11, 2020, 06:03:15 PM »
SawyerTed -There now my wife has a fitting diagnosis for me, I'm going to borrow that one.

 OldGreenhorn- several times a year I sit down and make list of stuff I want to accomplish then It gets buried on my desk till I am purging it. Then i refind it and sometimes I am really surprised at how much I have gotten done, usually there is plenty yet undone. I get frustrated but then I look back at what a mess my place was when I bought it and look at it now and it's more than I imagined  it would be at first. So I count my blessings and go do the things I have to be doing that don't necessarily mesh with what I want to be doing.  You have accomplished a bunch even while fighting a nasty bout of the crud.  You will turn out some pretty cool stuff in that set up and have grandchildren that won't be clueless about how stuff works.  


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« Reply #663 on: February 11, 2020, 06:09:43 PM »
I think it is fairly safe to say that Ms. Emily has nailed a good many of us right there. :D

 Yeah, that list I made today helped to lay it out in my head and we just finished dinner so I am anxious to get out there and knock some things off the list. But I left the list on my desk at work. ;D :)
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« Reply #664 on: February 11, 2020, 07:47:32 PM »
I'm always writing lists of things I want to do when I get home from work... then I get about a block away from home and somehow I forget about the list in my pocket.  :D

OG, you're doing great! You may not be where you want to be but you've accomplished a lot my friend! 

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« Reply #665 on: February 11, 2020, 08:26:33 PM »
so (too) many things i had thought to say reading over the new posts today.  i know you do not need coaching, but might be fun to start a grand kids list, so dad can drop them off for a few hours (that yes you personally will not get as much done) and they can do for you.  they already feel like such a part of that shop and sawmill.  You are a lucky man!  I will leave it at that. ;)
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« Reply #666 on: February 11, 2020, 09:26:16 PM »
OK, more little stuff tonight off my list, but I feel pretty good about this one. I had figured that finishing off the table saw setup would take two evenings and that was on the list for tonight. But I finally got a replacement deburring wheel so I mounted that up and then gave it a test drive by taking all the 40 years of patina off my framing hammer. I immediately realized I set the wheel too close to the buffer (I am out of practice) so I will have to re-drill some holes and move it, but no big deal there. My hammer looks better too. :)
 

 

 Then I jumped to the table saw. Mounted up the fence rails oiled all the under-workings, installed the fence, and put on the new blade. Took a test cut on a KD 2x4 and holy cow! This thing cuts like a dream! Then I tried a piece of ash, SAME THING! the blade makes NO sound going through. When I got it (a month and 5 days ago, but who's counting?) I tried cutting a 2x4 and what misery! Turned out, they had a 8" laminate blade in there and when I yanked it, I could see that it was toasted. This new Diablo I have (10" GP) with the chatter slots cuts like a flippin' dream. I still have some things to make better on the saw like grease on the elevation quadrant, calibrating the blade angle gauge (way off) and stuff like that, but it is working. The second part of this was the router table the previous owner had built. Nothing about it appealed to me except that it included a 1/2 HP Rockwell router. He had attached it to the table saw with deck screws through the sheet metal (who does that?). I draw the line at that kind of workmanship, sorry, and there was no way I would put it back together that way. I had been thinking about how to do this for a few days (OK weeks) and tonight it finally came to me. There is no reason that router table needs to be attached to the table saw, right? So I just made it a stand alone with legs and set it right in where it was between the fence rails. I used his one existing leg (plywood) and added 2 ash 2x4's for the other legs and used 5/4 scraps from my flooring for gussets. Solid as a rock. Now i can move it out if I have a project requiring a lot of work. 



 

 There will be more tweaking down the road when I do the last loft because there is a conflict where the garage door track comes up over the present loft floor (this is why that last loft will have a 10" step up). So I am not finalizing anything but it's all workable. I will move and adjust things when I do that last loft. I like being able to pull stuff out or turn it for specific projects, then put it back when I am done. I just don't want to have to re-arrange the shop to do that. Something simple and easy.
  You can see the conflict better in this photo, so I will have to move the saw and table about 10" to the left to resolve that for now.


 

I also have another conflict which is the loft railing, shown here (it's a grey rail just behind the saw table).


 

So I will either have to raise the saw or lower the rail. No biggie, I will think on it for a while yet.  Probably raise the saw and router table with some nice custom milled planks which may help cut down some of the vibration noise from the saw through the floor.

 Anyway, I am very happy with how that table saw works, I am a convert now. I have to give kudos to @btulloh and @WDH for shaming me into the purchase. That was a pretty darn good $150. capitol expense. ;D
While I am thanking folks I should point out that @ManjiSann was spot on when he asked about noise transmitting through the bench I added to the new loft. It does indeed 'resound' but nothing too terrible. Actually every machine upstairs makes the loft vibrate and resonate. I don't see it as a big deal. In fact I find those sounds somewhat calming and comforting. Since I was a little kid, my Dad's shop was in the basement right under my bedroom and he would work down there after I went to bed. Many many nights I fell asleep to the sounds of the shop running. I could tell which machine and as I got older what he was doing on what machine. It's how I began to develop a sense of 'good sounds' and 'really bad sounds' that i carry to this day. Maybe I am just weird. I like those sounds, they comfort me. 
 Also @doc henderson had the idea for the master cutoff switch I added to that grinding/sanding/deburring/tool bench which I used and am quite pleased with, so thanks for that. Also @Nebraska @WV Sawmiller and @richhiway for encouragement and support. There are others I am sure I am missing and I apologize for that. The folks here are so supportive and giving of their thoughts and even seemingly off-hand comments that serve to make me think in a new direction and change (improve) my thinking. It all adds up. Tonight I just really thought I should mention that, because it's a big deal to me. It's as if you guys are stopping in after work and checking progress and offering a hand or ideas. Its a pretty amazing thing we have going here. You guys should know it matters to me. Thank You one and all.
 Tomorrow I will find that DanG list and check some things off. OH and while I was jumping around doing all this stuff I happened to find one of my drill press vises I had neatly stored (3 years ago) on a shelf. I put it back where it belongs, finally. ;D :D 8)

 Nice idea about List Doc. We actually do save stuff for them to do. They love sweeping and building stuff with wood scraps (so I mustn't burn them all), but yes, I do keep a list in my head. I should probably write one and hang it on the wall as things occur to me. I do need to get more brooms because they cause fights. ;D
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« Reply #667 on: February 11, 2020, 10:09:01 PM »
so (too) many things i had thought to say reading over the new posts today.  i know you do not need coaching, but might be fun to start a grand kids list, so dad can drop them off for a few hours (that yes you personally will not get as much done) and they can do for you.  they already feel like such a part of that shop and sawmill.  You are a lucky man!  I will leave it at that. ;)
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« Reply #668 on: February 11, 2020, 10:36:37 PM »
thanks @donbj  as the Volga Germans from Hays, Ks would say, "too soon oldt, too late smart"!!!
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« Reply #669 on: February 11, 2020, 10:45:08 PM »
chokes me up a little my friend.  all I can think of is with the table saw and rail, it may work as an out feed table if you plan to cut up there, which i assume you do.  maybe even a roller or two on the rail.
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« Reply #670 on: February 11, 2020, 10:46:23 PM »
"too soon oldt, too late smart"!!!


Beautiful! How many generations since Adam and we're still working on that! Priorities in life, I'm just as guilty as the next guy.
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« Reply #671 on: February 12, 2020, 06:41:08 AM »
chokes me up a little my friend.  all I can think of is with the table saw and rail, it may work as an out feed table if you plan to cut up there, which i assume you do.  maybe even a roller or two on the rail.
Maybe I can raise that rail and under-sling a long roller?! Not a bad idea. I will look at it tonight and ponder on it a while. I have some better push sticks en route. Gotta stay on task. It's functional now, lets move on. But I do like that idea. 
 I didn't mean to get sappy, just wanted to let y'all know how much I appreciate the very real help. I've never been good at accepting assistance and it is rarely offered anyway, but i am trying to change the former.
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« Reply #672 on: February 12, 2020, 08:19:03 AM »
OG, for whatever little contribution I have made, you are very welcome. I'm thrilled I can give back to you and all the others that have given so much of their time and knowledge to me!

Keep up the good work!

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« Reply #673 on: February 12, 2020, 09:51:07 PM »
Well kind of tired tonight, but I knocked 2 things off the checklist. I removed a piece of 3/4 ply and moved it up on the wall. That was painted and hung as a high tool board before I built the loft. After the loft went in, it was at floor level so we moved it up (my son stopped by, it was a 2 man job).
I also took an old counter top and set it on some low storage shelves to make a bench I can put slabs on for sanding. It's a little hokey and am not really pleased with it, but it is functional. My focus is narrowing toward getting some project work started. Had a new idea for lumber storage last night. I may start on that tomorrow night (yeah, another side trip, I know, but it is on my list). But we have some snow coming in the morning, so the evening may be lost to plowing.
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I really hope to move some of my wood in the shop this weekend and start something very shortly.
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« Reply #674 on: February 13, 2020, 09:38:50 PM »
Well, the snow worked out in my favor today and pretty much melted through the day, not worth plowing what is left so I got right back out there. Frustrating night but I got something done by forcing myself through it and I took one and a half things off the list.
Last night, as I mentioned, I moved the tool board up and I keep fussing over what tools and how I should hang them. I will have at least one upstairs and another over the bench down stairs then some on the downstairs side wall and possibly some ones with dedicated tools or shelves by specific machines with the right stuff for those machines. I think I should stop thinking about it and just start hanging tools. I know I will have to re-do them as I learn or refine what I need where, so I should just get at it. Right now it is a blank canvas:


 

Here is that bench I tried last night. It may go away or stay. I will see how it works out. Its a bit warped, so I put the hammer drill on it to help flatten it. If it stays and is useful, I will firm it up with some screws and make it more proper. Right now, just trying out the idea. It may be in the way or too much when I move my Dad's lathe here.


 
Anyway, tonight I made a quick and dirty lumber rack that is overhead of the table saw. Because of the location, I won't be whacking my head on it. I may make another one on the other side over where the jointer I don't own yet will go.


 
The rack allowed me to get almost all of last year's leftover lumber off the floor (opens more floor up!) I still have a few pieces. Frankly most of it is junk but there are a few pieces like 2x4's I could have used on the loft build if I could have found them. So, a nearly open area now except for a couple of pieces and some plywood I may use for another tool board by the jointer. which will go in approximately this area.


 


This is what that area looked like a few weeks ago. Lumber on the right and the left and a 'few things' in between. So I guess I am making a little progress. 8)


 
Tomorrow I really have to bring in some wood to begin working this weekend. The temps are gonna plummet tomorrow night and I really should have done it tonight, but everything was covered in slush. Tomorrow it will be frozen. Either way I will be doing it in the dark which is not preferred. ;D
Got a 3 day weekend coming up and I want to make it count. I have to pick up some diesel on the way home to keep the shop warm.
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« Reply #675 on: February 14, 2020, 08:22:42 PM »
Stay warm. already down to 10 here at 8pm. 

did you ever see "french cleats" be a good way to try out the table saw.

wranglerstar on you tube has a vid on them I think.

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« Reply #676 on: February 14, 2020, 09:38:55 PM »
 Yeah, 12 out now and continuing the decline since 2am, the wind held at about 20 MOH and up today which made things cooler. I got home and had about 30 minutes daylight. SO I changed quick and pulled apart the 2 woodpiles and pulled the stuff I need for the 2 projects I want to start NOW. (Enough of the cleaning building and hanging for a while) One pile was easy, but all the wood is frozen and had a little ice on some of it. Heavy slabs and just in case I grabbed a few 2x2's in case I need to make some legs, but they are not in the plan, maybe a side job. The other pile, the cover had blown off in the back and I didn't see it. The pieces I wanted were frozen together solid. I almost gave up, but I managed to yank and drag them out. Man my fingers were just frozen. I mean like I had been camping all week and was out of dry gloves. I got it all inside and tried to warm my hands. I know cold and working in it, so this upset me because I finally got my fingers to the point that they began to hurt. It happened very fast, 40 minutes. I could not break apart the boards that were frozen together. But the shop was heating up, so I stood them up, dumped some more oil in the tank, had dinner and went back out. Finally got the frozen boards broken apart and stood them a little closer to the heat, but not too close. The heat is off for the night anyway now.
 So I carried the two slabs upstairs and laid them on the bench and stared at them.


 
I have two slabs about 5' long, 2-1/8" thick and roughly 18" wide. The rough plan is to make a coffee table that can be knocked down and transported or stored flat. So I am going to make my first attempt at a wide through tenon with two wedge pegs on each end. One slab gets cut in half for the legs and the other is the top.



 

I am really new at this. (OK, I have no clue, I am working from what I have learned here on the FF.) I laid out a center line on each slab based on the width at each end, then I could lay out the end cuts square to that line and so that I could visualize it better, I laid out the lines for the tenon cuts on one end to look at the proportions (and I adjusted them based on what I saw), (boy, you lose a lot of table surface to the tenon! This will wind up being a 4' table.) I am going to have to go at this slow and think everything through at least twice. Yeah, I know there are a bunch of ways to attack this and I think I sketched most of them, but I settled on a compromise to keep it simple and raise my chances against putting 20 or 30 hours labor into some pretty pieces of firewood.
 It's a 3 day weekend. I am going to do my best to get this roughed out. The mortise scares me a little. I will have to dig out the chisels and put a hone on them. Wish I had a corner chisel. ;D
 And now the temp is down to 11 and it's gonna be cold in the shop tomorrow morning.
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Re: The Greenhorn's initial sawing season 2019-20
« Reply #677 on: February 14, 2020, 09:41:24 PM »
   I like the use of the ceiling space for storage but I can't see enough of the bracing to feel warm and fuzzy about that much weight overhead. I use lots of knee braces and such for my shelves and such but I am sure they would be in your way there. 

   How is your rack fastened and supported?
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« Reply #678 on: February 14, 2020, 09:51:34 PM »
  How is your rack fastened and supported?
Agreed, it's a little hokey. but holding :D. The box hangers are secured into the roof trusses with 3" screws and I hung my 182 pound frame from each to test before moving on. There isn't a lot of wood up there, even though it may look like it. the vertical opening is only 10" or so. I built these quickly with the intent of taking them down once the loft is a little more cleared out and I can make something better. Also, that last loft will wind up being the real lumber storage area and these may wind up being a place to hold just the stuff for the current project, so just a few pieces in it.
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« Reply #679 on: February 15, 2020, 07:09:49 PM »
So today I went back to school. It has been a long time since I used a chisel to try and hold a straight line and I never was very good at it on my best day. Certainly I have never attempted a 2" x 10" through mortise in RO. So I cut the legs up to size then laid out the mortise lines. I set up the drill press to whack through with a 1-1/2 forstener bit and rough it out, then after searching for my chisels and finding most of them, then finding my stone, then finding my mallet, I started whacking away. Trying to get the feel for the chisel and how it cut best and remembering how to best work with the grain, and how to get a flat surface across the grain. It all take some patience and I didn't have high hopes, so I took my time and worked away.



 

I made a boo-boo about halfway through and got too close to the far side and broke out 2 pieces.


 

One I found and glued back in, the other is gone and will have to filled with epoxy. I need to epoxy anyway because there is a hairline crack running up the center line of both pieces and it needs to be strengthened. Probably a very minor drying split, barely visible.
 After about 4 hours of messing around and chiseling, I wound up with this:


 

I took an hour break to contemplate what I had learned and rub my shoulder which was a tad sore from all the pounding. This is taking WAY too long I thought. So I went back out to start the next one and tried something different. I am never a fan of plunge cutting with a circular saw, especially in hardwood, since I nearly got hurt doing that when I was in my 20's. But this newer blade I have cuts pretty good, so I tried that method. It took me about an hour to make this one nearly complete except for fitting.


 

But I made a boo-boo here too. When I was cutting with the saw I focused on the wrong line and overran the correct line.


 
 
So I guess I have another spot to drop some epoxy. ;D
 The second one actually trimmed up more true and square than the first even though I didn't have much to trim. That last photo is before I did the finish pass with the chisel. Fitting it all up will be where I really got some lessons I am sure.
 Tomorrow I will start on the tenons and hopefully I won't have any mistakes with the saw again. I haven't even thought about the peg holes yet or how to make the pegs.
 It does feel good to start making something again and having the space to work in without working on saw horses. Even if I am making a mess of this first project, at least I am retraining the muscles and remembering things I have not used since my Dad taught me as a kid but I never put into real practice. I heard his voice in my head more than a few times today.
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 450, 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) I mill for fun and my mental health. NYLT Certified.

I ain't the woodcutter, but I can cut wood 'til the woodcutter gets here. OK, maybe I am the woodcutter now.
I can work with wood, but I am NOT a Woodworker


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