The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

iDRY Vacuum Kilns


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.




Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

Michigan Firewood, your BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

FARMA


Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat

iDRY Wood Lumber Vacuum Drying for everyon

Nyle Kiln Dry Systems






Author Topic: Bob White Quail  (Read 1674 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline WDH

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 29635
  • Age: 66
  • Location: Perry, GA
  • Gender: Male
  • April 1998 - August 2008
    • Share Post
    • hamsleyhardwood.com
Bob White Quail
« on: June 23, 2019, 08:57:06 PM »
Bob white quail have been in serious decline in the South.  As a kid, they were pretty common on the farm, but all that has changed with loss of habitat and modern farming practices.  I am a farmer, not a row crop farmer but a tree farmer.  My management strategy has been to maintain the natural timber areas on my property, both pine and hardwood, and I have planted pine on all the old fields and pastures.  My strategy has been to thin heavy and do prescribed burns every couple of years to keep the hardwood competition down and to promote grasses, herbaceous plants, and forbs.  Blackberry is an especially good wildlife plant. 

A year and a half ago I burned the plantation, age 20, that is growing next to my sawmill operation.  This Spring and Summer, I have been very pleased to hear the call of the bob whites again when I go over to work in the mornings.  The heavy thinning and burning have created the perfect weedy quail habitat in the plantation.  One of my customers the other day commented on hearing the bob whites calling when he was there buying good.  It warms my heart to hear them calling again. Here is a pic of the plantation and the habitat created by the heavy thinning and burning.  A lot of what you see in the pic are blackberries. 



 
Woodmizer LT40HDD35, John Deere 2155, Kubota M5640SU, Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln, and a passion for all things with leafs, twigs, and bark.  hamsleyhardwood.com

Offline thecfarm

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 29399
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Chesterville,Maine
  • Gender: Male
  • If I don't do it,it don't get done
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2019, 09:06:40 PM »
A nice looking piece of land and woods.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

Offline WV Sawmiller

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 7228
  • Age: 66
  • Location: Hinton WV
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Green's Sawmill Services
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 09:56:28 PM »
   Controlled burning was part of nearly every wildlife management plan we studied for southern bobwhite quail. Bicolor lespediza is a good food crop to encourage them. The blackberries will be good cover and good food for them. I miss them as we don't have them up here like we did in NW Fla where I grew up. 
Howard Green
WM LT35HDG25(2015) , 2009 4wd Dodge PU, Kawasaki 650 ATV, Sthil 440 & 441, homemade logging arch (w/custom built rear log dolly), JD 750 w/4' wide Bushhog brand FEL

Dad always said "You can shear a sheep a bunch of times but you can only skin him once"

Offline ellmoe

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1486
  • Age: 63
  • Location: Bushnell,Florida
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to edit my profile!
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2019, 09:57:05 PM »
Between the industrial tree farming , coyotes moving in , and fire ants , we went from a covey at every deer feeder to not seeing or hearing a quail in only three years on a lease in North Florida.
Thirty plus years in the sawmill/millwork business. A sore back and arthritic fingers to prove it!

Offline Southside

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5780
  • Age: 47
  • Location: Wilsons (Dinwiddie County), VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Have a plan to saw every log you meet.
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 10:55:00 PM »
Funny your timing on posting this, the other day a customer was here and asked me if that was quail he was hearing as he was quite shocked.  I had not even noticed it as I have been hearing them a lot this year.  My management strategy is very similar to yours in that I have been creating a grazing savanah in our timber.  I tend to leave mature over story and open up holes that let sunlight get to the ground to encourage grass and legumes.  Of course along with that comes hardwood sprouts, lots of gum, maple, sycamore and poplar - which my cows happily browse to a spindly, broken, twig.  Also grow a lot of black berries and once a year I will meander through those areas and whack back the black berries.  That never happened last year given how wet it was.  Now the cows will eat some of the leaves and push through the patches, but most remain quite intact.  Oh -and they love to hide newborn calves in there too, such a fun game! Last week I was moving temporary fencing through a field and crossed via a cow path through a berry patch when a blue bird did the "my wing is broken, chase me" thing right out of the patch.  Combine that with the little bunnies I spotted darting around and the quail I have been hearing and I told my wife I won't be brush hogging down any of those berry patches for several weeks to a month it seems.  It sure is nice to see the wildlife out there, much more valuable than the little bit of grass production I will lose in those berry patches.       
Franklin buncher and skidder
JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.

Offline thecfarm

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 29399
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Chesterville,Maine
  • Gender: Male
  • If I don't do it,it don't get done
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2019, 05:22:03 AM »
Good job. It's nice to see widlife.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

Offline WDH

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 29635
  • Age: 66
  • Location: Perry, GA
  • Gender: Male
  • April 1998 - August 2008
    • Share Post
    • hamsleyhardwood.com
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2019, 07:37:24 AM »
You are a good man, Chris.
Woodmizer LT40HDD35, John Deere 2155, Kubota M5640SU, Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln, and a passion for all things with leafs, twigs, and bark.  hamsleyhardwood.com

Offline Wudman

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 549
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Keysville, VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Eat, drink, and be merry before you go on quota!
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2019, 04:33:49 PM »
I have been trying to promote quail habitat on my farm since I bought it.  One of the limiting factors for quail in most areas is escape cover.  Those blackberry patches are great for that purpose if they are so rough that nothing else can get through them.  Quail can scamper under it but hawks and owls can't dive bomb them.  Bobcats and foxes can't penetrate as well as quail.  Live hinge cut trees promote this type of cover.  I had some nice piles on the farm with super tough blackberry patches, but the electric company didn't like them as much as I did.  When the hand crew came through last summer, they wiped out my piles.  I guess I should have coordinated with them ahead of time.  The blackberry wasn't going to encroach into their lines.  I had one by the drive that I frequently saw a covey.  I had lespedeza planted in the right of way.  They would feed there then run to the brush pile when somebody came down the drive.  I have maintained soft field edges to promote escape cover adjacent to bicolor and VA 70 lespedeza.  I had the bush hog out Saturday to clean up the edges of my driveway when a hen turkey popped up out of the grass.  I had seen her many times over the last couple of months, but she was acting the mom that day.  I stopped and just in front of me I saw the grass moving.  There were about a dozen little ones smaller than my fist.  The bush hog will stay parked for a few more weeks until I know they will run instead of sticking tight.

The biggest hindrance to quail recovery is nest predation.  A study conducted a few years back on the Amelia Wildlife Management Area (Virginia) revealed a 94% predation rate on quail nests.  Skunks, bobcats, coons, rat snakes, feral cats, possums, and even groundhogs (woodchucks) were identified as culprits.  They started a trapping effort to remove small fur bearing mammals to see how the quail responded, but various "enviro" groups intervened and shut down the program.  Quail are one species that actually benefits from coyotes.  The coyotes prefer the quail's predators to the quail and can have positive impacts on quail numbers.

Another hindrance to quail is the smaller clearcut size employed in today's plantation forestry.  Quail would benefit from large clearcuts with subsequent fire used in the site prep.  We have transitioned to smaller clearcuts today and tend to maximize edge effect.  Quail are concentrated into smaller areas and predators become more effective hunters.  The bird would benefit from 1000 acre clearcuts.  Predators would have larger areas to hunt and their success ratio would go down.

So the answer is a multipronged approach.  Promote early successional habitat and maintain it with fire.  Provide escape cover.  Maintain food sources.   Provide good bug habitat for the chicks to feed and wipe out the predators.  What could be easier? 

Wudman


Offline Southside

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5780
  • Age: 47
  • Location: Wilsons (Dinwiddie County), VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Have a plan to saw every log you meet.
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2019, 06:07:54 PM »
I have had my dust ups with the utility contractors as well.  They are by far the best tree planting company out there.  Their management practice was to come in and hog down the legumes and grasses I had planted to bare earth, which of course opened up the soil for all the tree seeds that had landed there for the past 50 years.  On a rough, steep, hill I had a mix of lespredeza and weeping love grass, first year planting and with warm season grasses you really want to give them two full years before you graze or cut them to get good root production, so we had a chat about what I was doing and they put up a couple of signs and said it would not happen again.  Well about two years later the same fools literally drove within a foot of the sign and ran over about $2K worth of irrigation pipe that was there and plain as day visible.  Now that is not good - but what was worse was the operator tried to make a quick get away - in a tracked skid steer mind you, complete with a flail mower hanging off the front - rather than say a word to anyone about what had happened.  That got expensive for them, really, really, expensive.  Now I have some nice gates and barriers that were installed free of charge and a shiny pile of new irrigation pipe, along with a really, really, pretty ROW of grass and legumes.  Of course this was just a couple of years after they re-seeded an alfalfa field they tore up all to junk when 30 some odd vehicles all had to drive a different path across the field and park with cones around each vehicle spaced 30' apart because one of the same crews dropped a massive poplar onto their line and wiped it out.  Mind you the public road crossing was maybe 75' away but they all decided it was better to drive 1/4 mile through that field.

Oh - and their GIS system is now flagged and all contractors now get a pre-trip to our farm to ensure there are no repeat incidents. @Wudman If we have the same utility co-op and they give you too many problems in the future let me know, I can give you some direct numbers or call for you, they recognize my voice now.   ;D
Franklin buncher and skidder
JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.

Online btulloh

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2655
  • Age: 67
  • Location: Midlothian, VA
  • Gender: Male
  • I never met an air conditioner I didn't like
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2019, 06:14:16 PM »
I think Old Greenhorns neighbor works for Southside's utility company.

Offline Old Greenhorn

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2349
  • Age: 64
  • Location: Catskill Mountains, NY
  • Gender: Male
  • An old coot, still learning.
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2019, 08:18:02 PM »
I think Old Greenhorns neighbor works for utility company.
Could be, but I don't think so. He says he works in construction, which also scares me a little. Maybe it's his cousin? ;D
 Geez SS, you got some winners down that way. :D
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 450, 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) I mill for fun and my mental health. NYLT Certified.

I ain't the woodcutter, but I can cut wood 'til the woodcutter gets here. OK, maybe I am the woodcutter now.
I can work with wood, but I am NOT a Woodworker

Offline lxskllr

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1645
  • Age: 51
  • Location: MD USA
  • Gender: Male
  • dummy with saw
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2019, 09:24:20 PM »
I've seen quail once in my life. I was about 13, and my mother took me and a friend to Busch Gardens and Williamsburg. Me and him bought pipes and tobacco at Busch Gardens(Try doing that today!  :^D  ), and in the morning we went behind the hotel to the edge of woods to smoke them. By memory, it was about a dozen birds, maybe 50' from us. Pretty cool. A guy at work said he used to see them around here as a kid, but I've never seen one, and most of my life has been outside.

Offline Wudman

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 549
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Keysville, VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Eat, drink, and be merry before you go on quota!
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2019, 09:44:13 AM »
Southside - I appreciate the offer.  I know a few folks there myself.  I'll take part of the blame as I had not contacted them ahead of the game.  They gave me notice that they would be spraying and I didn't take the time to contact anybody.  There were some nice plump blackberries that I had been cultivating as well.  They were about to become a cobbler (had to get back to food).  They have hired a couple of young ladies as right of way foresters now.  Guess they will be there to manage public relations.

On a positive note, a service crew did show up at my house about 3:00 AM one morning when one hot leg on my underground feed shorted.  They dropped a portable transformer and had me back in service in a matter of minutes.  The repair crew showed up about daylight.  They traced the break and had me promptly fixed.  The break was directly under the water line to the well.  My well driller had nicked it when he laid the water line.  It took about 3 years before it burned in half.....so overall, I can't complain too much.

Wudman

Offline Southside

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 5780
  • Age: 47
  • Location: Wilsons (Dinwiddie County), VA
  • Gender: Male
  • Have a plan to saw every log you meet.
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 09:56:43 AM »
Oh - the Co-op has great folks - it's the contractors they hire to do the ROW work that is bottom of the barrel material.  I brought up to them that the standard they maintain out in the sticks is different than that in the built up areas as is visible from the roadside when they are working - they were long on looking at their shoes suddenly and short on any explanation.  
Franklin buncher and skidder
JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.

Online btulloh

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2655
  • Age: 67
  • Location: Midlothian, VA
  • Gender: Male
  • I never met an air conditioner I didn't like
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2019, 09:59:48 AM »
Happy birthday, Southside. Enjoy your cake.
HM126

Offline timberking

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 255
  • Age: 62
  • Location: marshall, texas
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2019, 10:35:07 AM »
Last quail I heard in ETex was at a coal fired power plant that had the money to promote habitat.  15 years ago.  Out west, the population is in a down cycle.

Offline sawguy21

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 10431
  • Age: 71
  • Location: Enderby B.C. Canada
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2019, 11:48:22 AM »
I grew up in this area and don't recall seeing many quail as a kid. Moved back four years ago from the coast, I have never seen so many in my life. Our home was on the edge of a forested area with thick brush, we regularly saw 30-40 of them running across the yard. Other than coyotes we don't have a lot of predators although raccoons are starting to show up.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Online btulloh

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2655
  • Age: 67
  • Location: Midlothian, VA
  • Gender: Male
  • I never met an air conditioner I didn't like
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2019, 12:02:21 PM »
It's been at least ten years since I heard any here.  I used to be able to call them up but that only works if they're in hearing distance.  The only ones I've seen since then were at game preserves.  

When I was about 12 or 13 I used to hunt them by walking them up.  Not easy, but made you quick on the mount.  One time I was hunting with a 12ga. hammer gun and flushed a covey.  I was mounting the gun and cocking both hammers at the same time and my thumb slipped while the gun was an inch or two off my shoulder.  Ouch.  The bruise lasted a good two weeks.  No quail were harmed on that outing.
HM126

Offline sawguy21

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 10431
  • Age: 71
  • Location: Enderby B.C. Canada
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2019, 07:46:00 PM »
 :D I did that with an old military .303, I was a skinny 14 year old and first time with anything bigger than a .22. I didn't know what to expect but quickly learned.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Offline Texas Ranger

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 7062
  • Age: 79
  • Location: Livingston, Texas, God's Country
  • Gender: Male
  • Texan, by God and by choice.
    • Share Post
Re: Bob White Quail
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2019, 09:03:06 PM »
:D I did that with an old military .303, I was a skinny 14 year old and first time with anything bigger than a .22. I didn't know what to expect but quickly learned.
Mine was a .47-70 trapdoor carbine, at about the same age, I discovered gravity.
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
Bob White Quail

Started by Magicman on The Outdoor Board

25 Replies
4678 Views
Last post June 02, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
by Magicman
xx
Bob white Quail

Started by Ron Scott on The Outdoor Board

11 Replies
1053 Views
Last post November 01, 2014, 05:14:06 AM
by Al_Smith
xx
Quail

Started by GATreeGrower on The Outdoor Board

6 Replies
4179 Views
Last post May 06, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
by Sonofman
xx
Do wild turkeys prey on quail?

Started by chain on The Outdoor Board

18 Replies
7530 Views
Last post April 23, 2010, 08:55:02 PM
by SwampDonkey
 


Powered by EzPortal