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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2019, 02:14:32 PM »
I'm not really good at analyzing mechanics, especially on the fly. What /I/ would do(certainly less than ideal) is a visual inspection, pull it over, first without decomp, then again with to get an idea of compression, then do a cut test, hopefully in something big enough to bury the bar. If it seems decent, and the price is right, buy it.

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2019, 03:47:35 PM »
The ad is asking $400 for it. The seller replied to my first text confirming it is the 800p but hasn't responded to my attempt to set up a meeting. I'm hoping it's just they are at work and have a job that doesn't allow phone useage.

Fingers still crossed it will pan out

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2019, 04:31:58 PM »
Good luck! At that price, simply running would probably be enough for me to buy it. That's less than half the price new.

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2019, 05:39:15 PM »
Hopefully the next reply you get isn't along the lines of "I am in the miletare and on a secret misseon, the saw is at my manchen in Tenisee, I will currier it to you as soon as you kindly deposit the funds". 
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2019, 08:19:04 PM »
I just picked myself up a Husky 390xp at our logging show, I've been wanting one for a long time. Haven't even tried it out yet- after I get done writing this I'm going out to put the bar on, put gas and bar oil in it, and find something large to cut with it😁 The outfit I got it from always has excellent pricing on Husky and Stihl saws. I got this one for $936 out the door, with a 24" bar. They also had a 395xp for $976, the new 572xp's were $800. Around $200 cheaper across the board then the local dealers. If it was just a $50 difference I would've went local, but I do most all of my saw maintenance and repair myself (especially on this big glorious non-autotune beast😁). 

When I'm looking at used saws, the first thing I go over is appearance. If it looks like it's been sitting in the back of a pickup for the last 5 years, it gives you a decent idea of how much the parts you can't see have been cared for. Watch for things like a burned bar with no paint on it, that will give you a clue that it's been worked hard with a dull chain- that's really hard on the engine. Then pull it over slow to feel the compression. Basically if it looks like it's been trashed I'm no longer interested anyways. If it still looks decent, then I'm just feeling the compression and firing it up to make sure it runs right. You don't want to end up with a shiny saw that's been straight gassed, either. If it doesn't run right, sellers will often try to minimize that ("I'm sure it's just a blah blah blah, it's an easy fix") if it's so easy why didn't you fix it before you put it up for sale? If it runs great, and the price is right, then buy it up. If something isn't right my price goes way down, if I even want it. You're taking a risk that throwing $50 or $100 at it won't fix it, then what? Buying a used saw that isn't right doesn't pay, especially if you're not doing the work on it yourself (and there's a value on your time, too). A used saw that you got for half of new turns into a real sour deal if it starts approaching the price of new if you have to pay someone else to fix it.
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2019, 08:49:33 PM »
I've called and left a message, called again and no response. At this point a wee bit of me is hopeful there's a really good reason but that part is kinda getting smaller. There's always a chance it'll still work out but my experience is if after 8 hours they haven't responded it's usually not going to happen. 

@lxskllr  I know! There was a Husky 395 (I think, it was one of the big boys) for sale for $500 not to long ago. Wish it was up now as I'd figure out how to pay for it!


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hahah I was waiting for something like that as it seemed too good to be true. I also like the one "I'm currently on an oil platform in the pacific with no internet access so please contact my broker at imafraudster@slimebag.com

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Nice find!

My plan is to do my own maintenance on my machines so I'm willing to risk a bit on a saw that's half priced but if as you say my half priced saw starts approaching the cost of a new one it'd be pretty sour. 

I almost got a Husky 50 for $10, non runner but for that price it would have been a great chance to tinker and learn. Sadly I was second in line and #1 took it. 

Bit of a bummer day in the deals department for me 0/2  :(

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2019, 08:54:21 PM »
Craigslist? I've had a 0% success rate trying to buy anything from there. Nobody returns messages, ad stays up, and in one case, the price dropped to the amount I offered via text on the first ad  :^S  Bunch of flakes. I don't need to make time for that nonsense.

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2019, 09:09:10 PM »
Just keep in mind that if you pick up an auto tune type of saw - you won't be doing much by yourself on it.  
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2019, 10:23:40 PM »
@lxskllr 

No it's KSL.com. 

It's a local paper that was here before Craigslist and so has a pretty big following in my local area. 

I've scored some pretty sweet deals off it in the past, got a nice nearly new Craftsman lawn mower for $50 and a really nice 2 stage snow blower for $100. Got both my Poulan chainsaws off KSL as well. It is doable.

It sucks when you get the message that someone else already got the item but at least you KNOW it's not there any more. But like you said, it's weird when contact breaks off or there's no contact and yet the ad stays up... reminds me of some of my internet dating experiences  :o :o

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The Echo site doesn't say anything about whether it's autotune or not... I'm guessing not? I'd imagine with that being the new flavor of tech if it had it they would point it out.

Well I guess the search continues. As my wife said, it just means there's something else better waiting for me  8)

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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2019, 10:32:20 PM »
AFAIK, only Stihl(Mtronic) and Husqvarna(autotune) have computer controlled saws. IME, they work well, but when they don't, it'll require the help of a dealer. They have the software that can interface with them. I'm conflicted. I enjoy just pulling a cord, and having a saw run perfectly. I want to cut wood, not monkey around with carburetors, but I don't like being locked out of a system, and having to rely on someone else. That's anticonsumer behavior. Done right, the saws should have a usb port, and software should be available for purchase. Alternatively, they should come with an api so others can develop software for it.

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2019, 11:01:50 PM »
We will never see the mfg allow access to the owner.  I was talking about this issue with my hired guy earlier today when we got done.  Ford wanted $125 for a diagnostic test on a vehicle still under warranty, said the testing was not part of the coverage, eventually they ate it, but we got to talking about how all these vehicles have internet and blue tooth today, there is zero reason you can not have a OBD type app on your phone and let the truck communicate the issue to the phone with no physical interface required.  It could even then send the info to the repair shop so they know what is coming in, what parts are needed, etc.  But that would eliminate a whole lot of annual $5K software subscriptions from being sold to the dealers and repair shops, just makes too much sense. 

From my own experiences the level of computer control in equipment has exceeded the capacity and reliability of the systems being installed that are needed to run the system.  Basic throttle body, EFI stuff is quite reliable in engines, but whole systems where multiple ECU's communicate to each other in industrial field equipment that now fly by wire don't stand up to the conditions they are exposed to day in and day out.  I don't want to bad mouth anyone here but I have one complicated piece of equipment that has rather frequent computer issues and it is a real hassle, not to mention a disappointment given the cost of this stuff today.   
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2019, 11:06:12 PM »
Southside, the non-autotune carb was certainly a factor in the purchase of this 390. It's not so much that I'm scared of the technology (I have an M-tronic Stihl ms261 that I like a LOT). If I went with an Auto-tune I probably would've stuck with the local dealer since there's a good chance I would've had to visit to get plugged into their computer software. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2019, 07:38:20 AM »
Not to get off the subject, but speaking to Southside's ODB2 rant:  There are a couple nifty OBD2 / Bluetooth readers out there that communicate with a phone app.  The one I have works pretty well and is reasonably priced.  Your point is valid that the capability could be built-in and provide comprehensive info, but the auto dealer service game wouldn't like that.  

Maybe some day there'll be something the owners can get for the autotune saws, but for now we're stuck.  So far I'm liking the m-tronic, but I don't like the idea  that I'm closed out from dealing with the saw myself.
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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2019, 08:17:59 AM »
OBD2 / Bluetooth device:  OBDLink MX+

Now they need to make one for m-tronic saws.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2019, 08:31:23 AM »
I think this is the one I use...

https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-Wireless-Bluetooth-Diagnostic/dp/B005NLQAHS/ref=pd_cp_263_3?pd_rd_w=KSLdP&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=8V12ZARGR27PB5WH6QPY&pd_rd_r=b13d04c2-59d3-466f-a2dd-12694c0ca8de&pd_rd_wg=2zcJu&pd_rd_i=B005NLQAHS&psc=1&refRID=8V12ZARGR27PB5WH6QPY

and this software for my android...

AndrOBD | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository

I use it more than I should. My truck's getting worn out, and it gets temporary glitches that sometimes affect operation. Clearing the fault codes fixes it up for a couple months til I need to do it again  :^D

There should definitely be something similar for the saw. It should be illegal to sell a tool, and withhold the information it takes to fix it.

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2019, 08:39:49 AM »
If we don't buy the electronicly controlled stuff they won't sell it. I swear I saw a 1/4 in  18 volt impact  driver that came with some 
Controlling phone app. I guess if you hire millenials to help they ...... ok off that rant...... (insert hand held  electronic device comment).... as i sit on this tablet  on Sunday morning before I go into the office a bit ... I just had a mental picture of the Terminator movie series  machines taking over and I want to think for myself not being directed, persuaded electronically.   I'm blessed to be able to hear well enough I can listen to the motor and turn the little screws myself.  Buy old and fix,  to a point. 
Why do you need to reinvent the wheel. New saws aren't much different than the old blue homelike xl Dad taught me to run when I was twelve, at least in function.... safety we are better today, weight and balance are better, durability maybe,  vibration control definitely.  Keep looking a good saw or six will show up, this  thread  poked a little sore spot  mostly related to vehicle electronics. 

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Re: Yet another What Saw Should I Get thread
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2019, 08:05:42 AM »
In an effort to not leave a thread hanging for future readers, here's the link to the thread of which saw I actually bought  8) 8)

http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=107802.0

Check it out if you're curious how the ride goes

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