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What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:27:47 AM »
Being pretty new to chainsaws and being on more of a budget than I'd like (and consumed with the insane idea that I can find great deals if I buy used and am maybe willing to do some repairs) I'm constantly looking at the local ads. 

I see all sorts of saws come across, mostly newer gens but some of the older stuff as well. I would like to buy quality and sort of along those lines I assume "pro" grade equipment equates to quality equipment. I guess I should explain my idea of quality, quality is something that was made to be used hard, taken care of and repaired vs cheap and throw away. 

So with the above info on my thought process, what makes a saw a "pro" level saw vs say a mid grade or a consumer grade (consumer grade seeming to equate to throw away these days.)

For example, there's a Husky 261 and a Husky 440 in the papers right now. Where would you rank these two saws and why?

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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2019, 09:29:20 AM »
 :D :D :D

Literally as I post this I look at the bottom of the screen and find an almost exact same title from a few years ago.. sorry my search fu was weak this morning it seems

http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=57330.0
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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2019, 09:57:17 AM »
Oh trust me they will line up on the sidelines like cheer leaders at a high school football game .My saw is better than your saw type of thing. I ignore them most of the time unless I feel a strike of orneriness which attacks me from time to time much like the great never ending mix oil debates which will never end .I have fun with it but some really get bent out of shape . 8)

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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2019, 10:54:15 AM »
Husky 261 = pro grade. Husky 440 = homeowner grade. The biggest difference is a magnesium crankcase that cylinder sits on - 261. 440 has a clamshell engine that sits in a plastic chassis -  a lot more plastic that can get damaged easier.
Clamshells don't get as much respect but there is nothing wrong with them if fuel delivery and compression are good and saw isn't physically abused. I have quite a few.
Another term to watch for - Farm / Ranch saws. Seems to be more of a marketing term than build quality. Nowadays, they are all clamshells. Is the plastic thicker and more sturdy than homeowner clamshells? I dunno - never looked that deep.
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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2019, 11:19:15 AM »
Farm / ranch used to be a real category. Not so much now, like dougand3 said. 

There have been some real good explanations on here and its worth understanding. Holmentree has been real good at breaking down the current and past differences. 

Maintenance and repair play a big role. Balance, power to weight, longevity are usually better in the pro models. 
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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2019, 04:24:52 PM »
Professional grade versus homeowner grade. Chevrolet made a corvette and a chevette. Corvette is streamlined,fast, and should be very high quality. Chevette is not as streamlined, not nearly as fast, not as high quality as the corvette, but it will get you where your going. Which vette would you choose if the new price difference is $300.00 or less.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2019, 04:56:48 PM »
That 300.00 pine ridge spoke of sorta sums some of it up.  This ms261 was just over 600.00 out the door with a 18 inch bar and some of the oil to double the warranty.  Could of got a 250 for a lot less.  I have had eye surgery and havent even cranked it yet, as a matter of fact my wife had to go pick it up.  

The last new saw I bought was a ms 460 pro saw about 10 or 11 years ago and the only thing that I have had to do other than general maintenance was replace the pull cord a few times on that saw and it still runs strong.   This 261 will replace an old 024 that still runs but takes about 10 pulls to crank...parts are getting hard to find for it.  Dont know if the 024 was pro or not, but it has been good for me.....bought it used from my old boss sight unseen for $50.00... when he said it would crank and run I said sold.  Before I bought the 460 I bought a 180 home owner stihl  to cut ends off cross ties.  It didnt hold up.  Never have took time to mess with it.  Banjo
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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2019, 07:32:21 PM »
Pro verses homeowner or farm/ranch to me means better and stronger components and closer tolerances, ease of rebuilding as in stronger lower cases to withstand abuse better, cylinder bolts, carb, and exhaust parts are easier to get access to with less crap hanging off of the jug to ease removal and replacement - better quality of bearings and seals - and in general a more well thought out arrangement of engine components so easy (even in-field) removal and replacement of major components is possible with less hassle and time involved.  
Pro saws usually all have better AV set ups, better chain brake systems and adjustable chain oiling components, usually come with more upscale bar and chains, and the general balance and ergonomics have been well thought out verses the lesser varieties just being enlarged versions sometimes of previous iterations which may have already had inherent problems or complications that never were rectified before turning the arrangement into the next new version.. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2019, 08:03:30 PM »
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   This 261 will replace an old 024 that still runs but takes about 10 pulls to crank...parts are getting hard to find for it.  Dont know if the 024 was pro or not, but it has been good for me.....bought it used from my old boss sight unseen for $50.00...   Banjo
Actually that's exactly what I payed for the same saw from a dealers "dead pile " of which it was not .A little scorch on the exhaust side of the piston. ,Gutted the muffler ,retuned and used 32 to one gas mix and in 6 or 7 years it's never failed me .At the time it was the smallest so called pro saw in the line up  at 42 cc I think . 

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2019, 11:00:50 PM »
I meant to put in a picture but forgot.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2019, 04:11:16 AM »
"What's the difference between a Homeowner grade and a Pro grade saw?" For me, it was about 8 years of frustration- then I spent my hard- earned money on a saw that was going to work just as hard.....
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2019, 06:00:47 AM »
What's the difference between a Yugo and a BMW?

They both have motors and 4 wheels, what more could you want.  Well apart from not falling apart in a couple of years. 

You know the saying, cheap / fast / good, pick any 2. If you want to build a better saw, you need to use better materials, to make it lighter and more durable. And that costs more.  

Not everyone needs a "pro" saw, especially it they only use it for an hour a month. A decent mostly plastic saw will still last for years. But if your JOB is cutting things, then being a lb heavier, 1/2 hp less, and wearing out after 3 months of heavy use means it's a non-starter. Then you pay the extra $$ for the better saw that's going to last a few years. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2019, 08:10:15 AM »
When I was saw shopping, I found some of the difference between pro and consumer models was in the way they are marketed. Pro saws were not available in box stores, only in dealerships. If you checked online you had to submit your info to get a price, prices not advertised. The pro saws typically will have features like an adjustable oiler, captive bar nuts, decompression button, see through gas tank window to check fuel level, and other features not available on consumer grade models. 

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Re: What makes a saw a "pro saw"?
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2019, 08:40:28 AM »
I didn't grew up around chain saws as my forks were in the fuel business and when they  needed a tree cut at the house they hired it done. I bought my first farm in the 70's when I was 20 and got to know a farmer down the road. This farm needed a lot of cleaning up. I started helping him on his farms and in the winter he helped me on my farm cleaning it up in the day as I worked nights as a mechanic in the city. I will leave brands out but he had consumer grade saws of that time and it seemed like we were always working on them. I though there has to be a better way. A local shop was having a open house and I stopped in after work and tried out a pro saw. 
Wow what a difference. I bought one. The old farmer ran this saw and he bought one too. I still have that saw today and many other pro saws. With most tools you get what you pay for. Today I cut around 20 cord a year to burn in my Garn.  

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2019, 11:32:27 AM »
I suppose you could say I've been around the noisy things since I was a child .I never owned one until the mid 70's and it was an inexpensive Poulan s25 DA .With that saw and a larger McCulloch PM 610 I supplemented my income selling firewood for 40 bucks a 3/4 ton pick up full for about 8 years .
I still have both of those saws and they run as good as the day I bought them .Since I've gotten into small time collection and restoration of same .
I've acquired a lot of knowledge but am far from an expert only to say I know more than the average bear .
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2019, 05:06:50 PM »
Well I decided to buy a saw with one of those snazzy buttons on the engine that makes it easier to start... I think someone mentioned it as a "pro" saw feature  ;)  Used 390xp coming my way in a week or so.

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2019, 05:35:21 PM »
I used a efco 50cc for years. Yes,I really only used it on small stuff,came with a 20 inch bar,I only used about 14 inches of it. ;D  Yes,if I had 6-8-10 small trees in a pile I used the whole bar,but most time there was plenty of air gaps. I did have it wired and taped together,but the part that turned the chain,broke clean off one morning.



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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2019, 05:40:50 PM »
Here it is.



I do have a big saw,as I call it,a 372 husky. But that small saw got used limbing. Really helped out my shoulder. Kinda looking at a 135 husky now.



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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2019, 09:18:00 PM »
So THATS what you look like, TheCfarm! Your a pretty handsome guy! I had a slightly different picture in my head. ;D
We should do a thread with everyone's photo that is not taken at 100 feet while wearinf safety gear or sitting in a skidder cab.This might tun out to be a better looking group than I thought.

 I think what makes a PRO saw is the person holding it. :D
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2019, 12:05:28 AM »
"I think what makes a PRO saw is the person holding it. "

No, that's pro saw"yer"

It's still a pro saw in their hands. :D
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