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Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« on: September 19, 2019, 12:00:22 AM »
I have a ton of Quaking Aspen on the property and the problem with them is they grow to about 30-35" diameter then fall over and a lot of times they take out something valueable like one of the sugar or black maples.. We have about 1' of good top soil then 1-2' of clay and then rock so they just have poor root foundations and are generally about 80-100' tall.

I've been taking them down and just leaving them dry and they don't saw all that smooth, sort of a feathered surface.

What if anything can you use these Aspen for?



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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 12:10:17 AM »
Our aspen in MN has several markets. The largest market is for pulp for paper and cardboard, and chips for osb. Clear sawtimber ends up at pallet mills, and grade sawmills. It makes beautiful, bright colored paneling, I don't know what other uses the grade lumber goes for. Some guys prefer it for trailer decking- dozer grousers can bite into it a bit in the  winter, instead of sliding off. If your Aspen is getting to 30" diameter it's likely falling over from being past it's prime.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 06:04:39 AM »
I was hoping to do something a bit more profitable then sending it over to blandin paper mill to pulp it, I'm about an hour from them. They actually used to own all my land about 50 some odd years ago.

All of the stuff coming down all still looks healthy its just uprooting in the wind storms. I know they say that the Aspen in northern minnesota only gets to 65' and 20" radius but this stuff for some reason is well beyond that.

I'll snap some photos later today.



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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 06:35:14 AM »
Sounds like an interesting site or maybe an interesting twist on the genes.  Look forward to seeing the pics and sorry I don't have Aspen related input.  Frankly I had no idea it was getting that large.  If it is still sound then you need to get some sawtimber mill names from barbender and other MN folks.  Gary should have some contacts as well.  
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 08:01:45 PM »
I've used it to build a shed.  The siding didn't last very long in the elements.  The 2x4s on the inside worked ok, but would never use them for anything more structural than a chicken coup.

At the sawmill we always made any/all aspen into 3x4 blocking for stacking lumber piles.  Never had a commercial market for it.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2019, 08:50:05 PM »
I’ve never seen an aspen that big.  Are you sure they are aspen that are 35” diameter.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2019, 12:51:12 AM »
I have to ask how you are measuring the diameter on your Aspen- I've seen a few very large aspen, they're very rare and usually hollow and conky at that stage. Northern MN can grow some really large aspen, especially Bigtooth Aspen. However, in all my time in the woods I don't think I've ever seen one that would be 30" diameter past the root flare. I had one on my place that was 31" on the butt, top diameter on that 8' log was 28" I think. That was an exceptional specimen. I also had bigtooth that probably ran about 90' tall.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2019, 12:53:06 AM »
I thought another name for Aspen was Popular which is commonly used for trim due to its grain structure.  it machines well, paints well.

Never heard of it being used as structural as solid sawn.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2019, 06:20:16 AM »
Quaking Aspen is sometimes called poplar or popple, but the desirable species for cabinetry framing and painted trim is tulip poplar,  an entirely different species. Here in New York,  the biggest challenge in dropping Aspen is guessing which side is most rotten.   That's usually the direction it will fall.  It was commonly planted around buildings and roads,  and  now it needs to come down. 
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2019, 08:56:13 AM »
Yes, the Poplar you commonly see at lumber stores is Tulip Poplar aka Yellow Poplar. It is used for a lit of paint grade trim and millwork.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2019, 09:06:17 AM »
We have a lot of Poplar here, life is not long, we get up to 20" then they die and fall over. We sometimes will ring it so it dies slowly, but allows the maples to grow. 
Around here they will start at the edge of the old farmers fields and will be the start of forest regrowing.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2019, 02:16:39 PM »
I mill aspen/poplar/pople
Makes nice interior trim on the clear stuff.
Stain and paint works great
Drawer boxes
Shed floor 
Framing lumber if kept dry 
Wall sheeting if covered
The poplar in building supplies and box stores is tulip poplar
I use northern stuff for the list above
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2019, 02:41:51 PM »
Can we get some pictures from the OP?  It seems highly unlikely that these are aspen or especially quaking aspen. That would be a good thing as they may produce better lumber.

After following this and other threads, I’m convinced that referring to a poplar tree is practically a useless term. Tulip poplar (aka yellow poplar), as has already been stated, is not a poplar at all. The lumber from tulip poplar is different than lumber from aspen, cottonwood, “popple”.  

It would be good to clarify what tree is being discussed.

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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2019, 07:44:52 PM »
It's aspen, the OP stated that. I'm waiting to see how he is measuring them, I suspect he might be measuring the circumference rather than diameter. I am in the same area of northern MN as him, we don't have any tulip poplar up here. I don't think the banana belt in SE MN has any either, but we do have a lot of hardwoods in that corner of the state that we don't grow up north. More typical of what you would see in Illinois, for instance. At any rate, I've never seen a stand of aspen of the size he is describing in 8 years of full time production logging all over the northern half of the state. We did have one aspen sale last year that I wasn't on, cut by one of our contract cutters. He bunched the wood in front of his two processors, and they had one day where the processors cut well over 400 cords together. This is not every day stuff I'm talking about here! The guys in the processors told me a lot of the stems they couldn't grab the butt log, I think a Ponsse H7 head will open up 25"-26"- and they were solid. This is the kind of aspen you rarely hear of, even in an outfit that has an output of 100,000 cords or more annually. 
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2019, 04:53:41 AM »
So here is one that's 28", the perspective is off since I was holding the camera, flashlight(suns not up yet) and a tape measure so this one appears bigger than it actually is.

This one fell in a recent storm on some of our maple lines and across a trail we're using for bow season so I had to deal with it first. I haven't had time to get some good photos but I'll try to get some better ones this weekend from some of the really big Aspen's on the far end of the property.


 

 

 

 

 
We do have both Quaking and Bigtooth Aspen, this was a Quaking Aspen.

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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2019, 07:14:25 AM »
Well good on you @Kiamori.  Seems that with that size you should be able to get them off to a sawmill of some sort.  RE genetics, do both quacking and bigtooth aspen seed well?  Do your neighbors have similar sized aspen in their woodlots?  My question being...what is going to be the replacement crop?  Is it worth propagating a new Aspen forest?  Will it naturally do that or is any silvicultural manipulation required.  
 
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2019, 07:30:31 AM »
I also note that this post is in the sawmill section should it be in the logging section?  @Ron Scott might not see this and he's probably a wealth of insight into all aspects of Aspen management and markets.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2019, 08:16:55 AM »
Nice! Well, the easiest place to sell them would be Savanna Pallet, in McGregor. They often want their aspen in 9' length. Hawkins Sawmill down in Isle pays top dollar, but the logs will have to be fresh, without any staining.

Nativewolf, both species of aspen will grow from seed, but more commonly come up from roots. The only tricky part with aspen management up here is getting it to NOT grow😁 Any clearcut or burned area will quickly sprout aspen. About the only way to prevent it is spraying, or not clear cutting- leaving enough shade that it won't sprout. Aspen needs full sun, if the sun is hitting the ground an aspen is going to grow there.
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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2019, 09:43:42 AM »
Well good on you @Kiamori.  Seems that with that size you should be able to get them off to a sawmill of some sort.  RE genetics, do both quacking and bigtooth aspen seed well?  Do your neighbors have similar sized aspen in their woodlots?  My question being...what is going to be the replacement crop?  Is it worth propagating a new Aspen forest?  Will it naturally do that or is any silvicultural manipulation required.  
 
I do have a decent size sawmill on the property that can do 84" wide x 20' long so I don't need to haul it away, I just don't really know what to do with the stuff(its sort of piling up).
All of the land in the area once belonged to blandin paper company so perhaps they had a hand in the larger tree genetics? I'm not really sure..
Most of my property is quite hilly, full of mixed tree's and is just hard to log commercially so I think it was mostly skipped over. I have some oak and white pine on the property that is massive. I use an old SW48 with a log arch to get stuff out of the woods.
I mostly only take down stuff that is in poor health or blocking the maple trees, we have about 1200 maples that can be tapped on the property. We've also planted about 100 fruit trees and some nut trees as well
The only tricky part with aspen management up here is getting it to NOT grow Any clearcut or burned area will quickly sprout aspen.

We learned this the hard way when we cleared some aspen for fruit trees, the stuff comes back like weeds. Twice a year we're out clearing the aspen shoots.

Seems the only way to get rid of the Aspen is to let other trees block out the sun above them.

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Re: Lots of ~30-35" x 80-100' Quaking Aspen, what to do with it?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2019, 10:10:59 AM »
 I know nothing about the locations and distance either but sounds like @kiamori has a great spot!  I'm personally jealous of the 1200 maples.  It does seem like maybe it is time to take the Aspen down before it loses value, often better planed than mother nature but I am sure you have that figured out.  So, you have the names of two mills.  Have you ever talked to a mill about buying logs?  You obviously are comfortable around the trees and have equipment to handle them.  How many acres do you have in total?  Are you looking to take down 100 aspen like this or 1000? 10-12 (assuming 300-500bdft per tree) trees like that will fill a small tractor trailer if it were oak.  I know it is light so maybe quite a few more. 

Anyway you have your 2 names and that is a great start, seems like a fun project and a good sustainable one as well.  Just be safe, I don't see you in chaps, it is a simple low cost way to dramatically reduce your risk.  

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