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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2019, 01:33:26 PM »
I have a "one log" Walnut job to saw tomorrow.  The forecast is for 22, so I'm not looking forward to sawing even one log.  :-X
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2019, 01:43:28 PM »
I almost never use lube for hardwoods.  I havent sawed a lot in the bitter cold, because I dont need to.  I imagine that I would continue with the no lube for hardwoods and just not saw pine or cedar when its that cold.

When I have sawed in temps well below freezing, I noticed cut quality going down.  I got wavy cuts, which I assume is because Im cutting ice.  Maybe that would be a good time to have a carbide blade.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2019, 01:26:22 AM »
Dont know about band mills but they make frozen wood shanks for circle ⭕️ mills assume would be same with a band 
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2019, 10:46:09 AM »
I have discovered that cutting frozen logs, your lube tank needs a lube mixture that is good to at least -10 Below the outside ambient temp. 

Winter sawing is much less about cooling the blade and more about lubrication that doesn't slush up when it gets inside the cut.

The blade needs to exit the cut visibly wet enough that your glove till show a damp spot if you touch the stationary blade immediately after completing a cut.  
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2019, 08:26:05 PM »
My rule of thumb for sawing in cold weather. I step outside with a cup of coffee. If the coffee freezes so fast the ice is still warm, then it's too cold to saw:snowman:. I'll go back in and take a nap with an English Setter for a blanket.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2019, 10:39:24 PM »
Mart, That is too funny!!  Doubt many on the board have seen a cup of boiling hot liquid thrown in the air vaporize before it hits the ground.

I've taken to using the -100 RV antifreeze mixed with water when I'm sawing in below freezing weather. I always purge my lines at the end of each sawing day and take the lube tank into the shop until the next time I saw.  Have not seen any indication of staining using the RV stuff.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2019, 05:08:35 AM »
I work in the winter cutting logs . At -32 F cutting logs is not a problem . I would never consider sawing at that temp unless the mill was in a shed preheated . Staring up engines and Hyd at that temp takes special setups . If your not prepared for that then your going to have no end of trouble

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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2019, 06:21:19 AM »
I have a "one log" Walnut job to saw tomorrow.  The forecast is for 22, so I'm not looking forward to sawing even one log.  :-X
at least 8) it is Walnut, 
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2019, 09:22:28 AM »
I had to glow the engine three times before it popped off, but other than that everything went smoothly.  I had purged the LubeMizer so it was not frozen but I sawed dry anyway. 

My "new" Kubota tractor does not have glow plugs, but it still started on the second try.  We were probably in the 50's when we finished.

With the knee surgery the only freezing weather "sawing" that I will be doing will be... smiley_sleeping
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2019, 11:22:54 AM »


 Spent a few hours sawing 6x7 beams down to 2x6 studs for a good friend.
He came to the mill from 2 1/2 hours drive away; we chose the date a week earlier.
Bad timing.
Minus 24C with a strong NW wind.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2019, 11:39:04 AM »



The ww fluid rated for -40, was definitely  needed.
The pine pitch would build up and cause the band to thump, a trickle of fluid cleaned it up quickly.
Bands by Kasco, 4 and rotated the dull ones off as soon as the frozen wood had beat them up too badly.
The hydraulics did not want to play in the snow. Shoulda known better than to try.
I've got no working hydraulics after using the clamp to hold the beams. Worked for two cuts, then quit.
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I'll check for popped fuses this weekend when we're forecast for plus temps to 4.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2019, 11:45:38 AM »
Good luck with the surgery @Magicman.
With all the copious quantities of firewood that you've got stashed away - you'll have a warm recovery period. 🔥
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2019, 01:22:32 PM »
Andries, what species of trees/logs are you sawing?

 I have never seen such white sawdust before!!  :o
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2019, 02:56:14 PM »
Good eye Mr. @Magicman, sir.
That'd be Arctic Willow, Salix arctica, the Northern most woody plant in the world. 
@WDH will back me up on this . . . .
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2019, 03:09:06 PM »
Good eye Mr. @Magicman, sir.
That'd be Arctic Willow, Salix arctica, the Northern most woody plant in the world.
@WDH will back me up on this . . . .
Reknowned for extremely white sawdust, which scatters about in most of this country.
Mostly used in glue-lams, where it takes approximately 27,000 trees to make one standard wall stud.
Its a bit of work, but we manage.
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2019, 03:26:20 PM »
Wow, so I naturally thought that you were pulling my leg so Google was my friend:  Arctic Willow.  So now that you have identified the origin of the "white sawdust", and the 27,000 figure is believable, but I am now left to wonder about the harvest method.  Seems like a skidder's tires would sink into the tundra??  Gotta take a lot of them little logs to make that huge amount of that white sawdust?  Also what blades are you using?
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2019, 03:58:19 PM »
. . .  I am now left to wonder about the harvest method.  Seems like a skidder's tires would sink into the tundra??  Gotta take a lot of them little logs to make that huge amount of that white sawdust?  Also what blades are you using?
Sinking tires? Tundra is frozen solid, my friend.
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Re: Sawing in cold freezing weather
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2019, 05:52:20 PM »
Shoulda knowed dat it all boiled down to dat crazy 'rithmatic called metrics.  :P

Now I wants ta know where dat white goes when all of dat sawdust melts??  smiley_headscratch
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2019, 06:39:08 PM »
I kinda chuckle at this cold weather thread. What is cold to one is warm to another... ;D

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2019, 07:29:50 PM »
I kinda chuckle at this cold weather thread. What is cold to one is warm to another... ;D
Everything is relative  ;D. I know this happens almost every year. My problem this year is it was nearly 60 one weekend and then then 18 the following weekend and stayed that way since then. Too much too fast. I always need a few weeks to make the adjustment.
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