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« on: November 07, 2019, 04:09:27 PM »
I have 2 employees,one saw with mill and the other sets up n runs planer.. 
The later a 21 yrs old had a serious car accident a year ago... not his fault,but caused a death in his vehicle. The 9 yrs old that died was his girlfriend's little brother. 
I gave him a paid week off n told him to work as much or as little as he wanted... He has had a tough last year dealing with it. He has  been working close to 40 hrs a week lately 40 hrs  .
I guess his gf has been having a hard tim to she is 18 ish. I know she texts him allot n there has been numerous times he has left because shes having a bad day. She quit school. A week ago sheroad to work with him n sat in the truck all day, I told him as long as she let him work its ok.
Well next thing I know he is at truck constantly... finally told him that's not gonna work.. He just texted me again and begged to let her have another chance n come to work n sit in his truck .
My first thought I'd no..... I need him focused as can be to run equipment.. n of course I'm paying him by the hour..
As I type this l am sitting in a deer stand hunting lol, so I haven't reread or corrected anything  sorry..
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Re: Need employee advise
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2019, 04:18:28 PM »
Find something productive for her to do.   Doesnt have to be sawmill related but something to keep her busy and away from him. Sounds like she needs something to build some sort of routine. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 04:49:52 PM »
What Ted said times 10 or so. It may be the best thing you can do for her/them.

Heres question to ponder; in your estimation do the 2 of them fit together well and have a future together? 

If you think they have a future as a couple, try to find something that they can work at together helping each other to do the assigned task each day. Not all the time but enough that they can experience the bond that working together to do something either of them could not do alone with out some help will do a lot to soften the scars of healing that are forming and will help the 2 of them bond and learn more about each other as they heal together. 

Sorta like regular stretching of sore muscles and ligaments that have tightened up from abuse OR old age.     
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2019, 06:00:55 PM »
Well first off he's coming to work each day? Better than most at the store I work at. ::) Yes,give them another chance. And yes on the working part too.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2019, 06:23:51 PM »
That's just weird.  She just sits in the truck for 8 hrs??!  Doesn't she have other stuff to do?  Why isn't she working or in school?  Is she depressed?  It was a year ago, time to either move on with life or get some counseling so she can.  Romances that young almost never last either.  Anyway, You're trying to run/build a business.  It's not your responsibility.  I'd think you have enough on your plate.  You also don't want the liability either.  Be careful.  I'd say no.  This is work and either you're here to work or I'll find someone else who can put their big boy pants on.  I don't have time to fiddle around with this kind of stuff if I'm trying to make a living and taking risks in business already.  I don't run such business, but if I did....   There is a definite line between work and personal, and you're allowing it to be crossed.  No one I've ever worked for would put up with that at all.  Just my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 08:22:24 PM »
I can't imagine the pain either of them is carrying and trying to deal with. Both of them need the help of a counselor, a good one. This work situation is not a good one. A badly as you feel for them, you need to run your business. What has the overall impact been on your output? It's hard to find folks who show up everyday and you want to work with those who do, but you do have a business.
 He needs to understand he is on the line here. I think cutting them slack while maintaining output is OK, but if they don't get counselling they are never going to heal and things will get worse, probably pretty soon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2019, 11:15:17 PM »
I just switched from using sub-contractors to employees last year and have found out very quickly that they are EXPENSIVE. I try really hard to be a flexible employer and give people more than one second chance but at the end of the day I have a business to run/family to feed and unfortunately that comes first in my opinion.   

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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2019, 11:48:38 PM »
You have to separate personal from business or it can take you down in ways you don't realize. Your heart is good wanting to help but you can't let an outside situation come inside yours in this regard. Help outside of business hours, offer some helpful suggestions for her. If they don't want or regard your offers or help, it's out of your control.

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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2019, 12:46:08 AM »
You will do them no good if your business fails, so lay down rules and stick by them. If they don't want to help themselves then you can't help them. Bad things happen to good people, it's in how you overcome those things that determine who you are. 

I would not allow the whole truck thing, what good does it serve? If you continue to set soft lines they will continue to push them further back. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 07:28:18 AM »
I have to agree with the others here. I run  a small construction company that has employed lots of folks over the last 20 years. I like to help people and try to find good in all their situations but they will eventually wear you out. Its a real shame but all anyone seems to want anymore is more, anywhere they can get it. its tough and I wish you the best. You have to do what is best for you. Brian 
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 07:35:04 AM »
Valuable lessons were learned back in my days as the CFO of a manufacturing plant. We had 150 employees and the President of the company was such a kindhearted guy, he publicly used me to play good copbad cop. Privately all final decisions were his and I think he enjoyed reminding me This is not a democracy. 

My eyes were opened to just how human we all are and running a business with a heart is a beautiful thing to see. Youve gotten some good ideas so far, but ultimately you have to wake up with yourself. I lean toward letting them be together for now and finding something useful for her to do. At least hes not going to be preoccupied while he is working if he knows where she is and she wont be texting him away from his job.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2019, 07:59:13 AM »
I'm a chance giver,
Have been know to give to many.
I would find her something to do if you can and lay out some ground rules.
I'm finding most available to work now a days in NH have some kind of issue.If it's not drugs I'm willing to give a chance.
I'm done with the drug folks they never work out.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 08:47:39 AM »
Distractions cause lost production and safety issues.  Cell phones need to be left in the truck during work time.  They can talk/text during their lunch time. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2019, 09:22:26 AM »
I would guess she has PTSD / anxiety / panic attacks which can also cause depression and can cause other physical health problems, it's a slippery slope. She may have already been an anxious type of person and the accident along with all the other pressures have really pushed her too far. He probably is the thing that keeps her going, someone that calms her down and it is hard on everyone.

If you agree to let her come back to sit in the truck or do some work I would suggest to have a meeting with the three of you when the operation is not running and give her a complete tour of what is going on there and demonstrate everything, show them the dangers of the gear and how much people need to pay attention and how distraction will increase the dangers of a injury.

It is tough to watch someone suffer and not do anything. He sounds like a good guy and he wants to work. I would be inclined to try and help, if it doesn't work out at least I could say I tried.

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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 11:21:35 AM »
If he has a good history, I wouldnt let him go over this. 
 
My wife has gone through some serious depressive episodes to the point where she wanted to be around people at all times to avoid suicide.  Often with friends, but in her van in the parking lot outside my work at times to.  This was even with counseling  Not saying it is or isnt, but sure could be.  I would encourage her to get counseling, but am also of the opinion that time and work can help heal to.  If you can find her something to do, even lawn work, it may help.  Maybe it even works into a paid job.  (A good reference even if you arent the one hiring her.)  Will likely reduce the texting a bit to
 
At the same time, I would lay down the law that work time is work time not stand at truck time.  Occasional extenuating circumstances are different, but he should be hitting the same production #s as he has been.  Otherwise, consider moving to production based pay...
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2019, 11:40:19 AM »
   What does your insurance cover? I'm very sympathetic but unless you have work for her and she is interested in working and able to do the work I am afraid she is a liability. Is she able and interested in working? If so does she distract the other employee? If she is taking your other employee away from his work or distracting him she should go IMHO. Good luck and I respect you for your concern but are your actions helping or delaying the final outcome here?
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2019, 11:56:09 AM »
Sorry but work is work, He is hired to do a job period, show up on time, put cell phones up in office etc.  Girl friends, wives, children, dogs, stay at home.  If he can't handle it let him go into politics.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2019, 12:20:33 PM »
Wow Thanks for all the advice......    A little more info....  it has been a long year for all of us.... I've had more discussions with him about attendance and cell phones than I can count...  he will be good a few days then its the same .  Yes she would sit in truck 8+ hours a day, I think she has always been high maintanence, and in my opinion immature. I really don't think she would have much interest in working.
   Him not showing up puts a huge strain on output, I have two jobs scheduled to go out this week that didn't ,and a even bigger job that was supposed to go next week that won't. All summer long I have called customers to reschedule deliveries .
  I think I am going to have a talk with him ( Again ) letting him know what the impacts are and suggest again therapy. But I think I have reached the point that I need to send him send him home for a week .
Any job I ever had would let me get away with this....
Sad part he is a good kid and the best he has been ,were the few weeks that he broke up with her this summer.

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2019, 12:27:03 PM »
I'll jump in and hopefully not offend.  Just my view on things. I run a family business, even my non related employee is treated like family.  To me that means compassion for someone when they need it.  I get it that this young lady is severely depressed, it takes time to heal, and some people never do. I have a sister in law who really has not recovered in the 4 years since my brother died. I agree with others that said try to find her something to occupy her time productively, but it's tricky. Right now she's a distraction. She's not an employee, she would have to become one.  Is that going to happen?  Probably not, so conversation with and guidance to your employee is the best answer I have.  "The highway or my way" would not be my solution.  Counseling and a warm heart can do more than tough love on occasion.

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2019, 12:30:58 PM »
Lots of good thoughts on here so far and to denigrate any of them would be a grave travesty.

Loss of this magnitude and grief/PTSD etc. are some of the toughest things we as humans deal with and we don't all deal with them the same. 

A year ago My wife and I enrolled in a grief recovery seminar sponsored by the local ministerial association, banks, and Health Link. I fought my family on it for about a month and then one weekend a high school friend I hadn't seen in 25 years showed up in town for a relatives funeral. 

We had coffee and then spent the evening in our back yard for barbecue and visit with his wife and the kids that had come as well as my family. My kids had gone to university with his kids and I didn't even know it. The 4 of us had gone through high school together. 

His wife was telling my wife about the grief recovery course they had just completed and she was saying how much it had helped them learn to deal with their recent loss as the result of an aviation accident that took her parents and her dad's business partner and family. It was very hard for them as her dad was the pilot and the Transport Canada investigation determined that the accident was pilot error combined with low visibility. That would be tough to take especially when you were supposed to be on the same flight with the rest of them.

I had been listening to the story and my wife told her that they wanted me to enrol in the course but that I wouldn't. Shirley looked at me and said the following;

Remember the first time we took the St Johns Ambulance First Aid course? How many times have you 2 taken it since to keep up your certificate and to stay up to date with the new methods and equipment? I said I guess about every 5 years. 

She said so have I and that is like 9 or 10 times since that first time when we were 15 years old. We have stayed current with physical first aid but we have NEVER even thought of mental and emotional first aid till we got to be in our 60s. Then she said to our whole family; You all should go take the course. You will never regret it but you will regret it if you don't do it. 

It is one of the best things we did in the last 2 years. I am sure the course is available in your local area and I can get info for you if you want from the local chapter admin lady. Its what these kids and their family's need to help them move through this. 

It is not some thing you EVER get over. The only way is through it and the proper support is critical.           

I have a feeling you have a bit more skin in the game with these 2 kids than just employee/employer. 

DONT "abandon" them! That word abandon is one of the roots of what we as humans often feel/experience in the aftermath of tragic event like you have mentioned. Being the employer is secondary to the personal human value and future of these 2 kids and by extension all the relatives and friends.

You can send me a PM and with location etc and I will do what I can to get you in touch with a local person that can help out.      
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