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Re: Done - selling everything
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 08:52:23 AM »
There is always Chickens
We have a lot of good boys and girls in harms way
lets all support them and their familys.

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Re: Done - selling everything
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2019, 09:02:57 AM »
There is always Chickens
and selling lady's shoes?

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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2019, 09:19:55 AM »
One of the shops I worked in hired interns from NCSU, that is when I learned a lot of wood science. I ended up buying and being given their textbooks so I could keep up. That was a win/win. Another thought was hire a vet.
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Re: Done - selling everything
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2019, 09:31:28 AM »
I was sawing a good sized order of 16' lumber last week.  Handling 16' lumber by yourself is rough.  I asked myself why was I doing that?  Have not found the answer yet.  

Jim, step away for a bit and think it through.  You will find the right answer.
I hate 16' lumber by myself. I changed the plans on my addition to my cottage as it called for 2x8x14'. I could barely lift the green lumber off the mill, my little bobcat could only lift about 12 in a bundle. I have to add a center beam and made them 2x8x7'. I cut those 14' in half and now its a breeze to saw and move. 
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2019, 09:37:23 AM »
I was wondering about the drug test, Why? Then I thought there is so much oxy addictions going on ,whether it is for pain or not. The excuse I have a bad back doesn't cut it for me, I have had a bad back for ever it seems. I do my stretchs and exercises and it goes away. 
What someone does on thier own time is not my business but if it affects thier performance at work! It is my "business" 
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2019, 09:46:44 AM »
Tis a vicious circle when your business progresses beyond one's self and is dependent upon hired labor.  My "tongue in cheek" Reply #12 above applies only to me because I am "retired" and my sawing income is supplemental and not required for household expenses, etc.  

Now, that does not mean that I am not trying to grow the business and increase it's footprint for the future.  I have a Son and Grandson who are developing a multi-faceted business and the sawmilling business meshes very nicely into those plans.  It would still be "sawing only" and not include any lumber related sales.  Each business facet would provide a service, not a product, and not be dependent upon "hired" labor.
 

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2019, 10:29:37 AM »
Operating as a business with employees requires a different level of insurances.  Loss prevention expectations from insurance companies includes drug testing.  I worked in facilities management for a small manufacturer, our liability and workerís compensation insurance required drug testing.

Managing employees when the employees are just working to get a paycheck is a real drag.  Itís really difficult to change that attitude.  When an employee sees their contribution to the enterprise as important, they can be a pleasure to work with. Again, itís hard to create that attitude if itís not there to begin with. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2019, 12:27:33 PM »
One of the shops I worked in hired interns from NCSU, that is when I learned a lot of wood science. I ended up buying and being given their textbooks so I could keep up. That was a win/win. Another thought was hire a vet.
I really like the college interns idea. I like to hire selected high school students and in my remote rural area we have a few kids like that who grew up working and will do a good job for you and exercise good judgement and common sense. Of course I almost never hire help - I typically refer them to the customer if he needs help so I don't have to worry with that set of paperwork and regs and such.

I had to get help loading hay bales in the field last summer and got 3 kids - an 8th and 10th grader and their 20 y/o sister. Reagan drove my truck in the field and the boys and I loaded the truck and stacked. She could drive as well as a big man and it gave me a good, hard working crew to get me out of a jam.

That's another thought though - we should hire more women. Many are physically able and would rather do that kind of work than waiting tables. I had women working for me in the USMC that I'd put up against any hairy-legged hard tail.
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2019, 12:55:02 PM »
I've got a couple aunts, the pair maybe would hit 250 together. They can work, and EAT, any man under the table. We got kicked out of an all you can eat shrimp dinner, I was just trying to keep up with them!😂
Too many irons in the fire

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2019, 01:06:44 PM »
Several of those colleges around you have forestry/agricultural departments, you could figure out an or several intern positions through one of those departments,


That's an interesting approach, never would have thought of it.  Thanks to my calf I even have multiple contacts at VT these days too... Try and sell the idea they could continue with their ongoing "Pumpkin Patch" study here in an on-farm environment.  Of course I first have to convince the calf to come back here....



 



 
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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2019, 01:51:25 PM »
I called up temp agency for our new potential employees.  I write the job description, then they do all the initial screening, drug tests, interviews, insurance, everything.  The employees work for the agency, I write the checks to the agency, and they pay the employee so have full power over them.  If I say the employee doesn't work out, then they fire and hire others. That's how several of the pallet mills and other heavy lumber and labor operations around here work now.

The good thing is it solves the drug test and insurance problems, as well as unemployment and stuff.     
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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2019, 02:15:11 PM »
Have you had any yet?
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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2019, 02:25:50 PM »
Sad to hear there is no help around. What about an up and comer out of highschool? We take about 50 staff each year for our kiwifruit harvest season, usually all European/NA travellers. For the most part they're great but I understand the skill/training to be useful around a sawmill is prob quite different. How long does it take before someone (let's say average Joe with no experience, but reasonably practical) is safe and useful?

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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2019, 02:49:14 PM »
Nothing last forever.  I know there will come a day when me or the sawmill will go out the driveway for the last time.  If it is me, hopefully there will be fresh sawdust stuck to my pants.

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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2019, 02:52:12 PM »
I have no issue with taking on someone with zero experience, it's probably better that way. The issue we face here is desire to work is basically non existent, coupled with a lack of pride in work and the end result is an unemployable individual. 

I have one employee now, he has his moments, but for the most part he does a great job. Our location is also a double edged sword. Far enough in the country to be able to saw and farm without issues, but no population nearby to draw from. In all reality we are not that long of a drive, but finding quality people who will make it is an issue. 
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2019, 02:55:09 PM »
 its pretty special when one of them gets into veterinary school and asks you to white coat them.
Nobody mentioned Vet school, but the threat of being "white coated" has come up in the past.  :D
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2019, 03:04:38 PM »
The quitting part would be easy. The everything for sale part would never work here. In the past I have tried to sell sawmill machinery and it is hopeless. People today don't buy things they can't sit on and drive.

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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2019, 07:12:28 PM »
Sometimes it's good to get up out of the weeds of day to day operations and look at the long term. Back in the fall a friend who is a homebuilder approached me about working for him as a project manager. So in January this twenty-two year odyssey of being a full-time sawyer will turn into a weekend side gig and I'll be back in the world of construction. Over the last few years I've made decisions about farming , finances, and sawmilling that kind of surprised me when I made them. But I think figuring these kinds of things out intentionally, before you're forced to by circumstances beyond your control will make for less headaches in the future.
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2019, 07:53:22 PM »
Have you had any yet?
No, not for the sawmill operation, but yes, in my other job we did it for years, decades.  It became our preferred method of hiring unskilled labor.  
I had a half a dozen myself of such contractor part time, full time, or temp employees.  Basically, the job agancy assigns an off site company supervisor who has knowledge and experience in that area, be it cleaning services, maintenance, painting, garbage disposal, property book, heavy equipment operator, pallet making, construction, concrete, repair, etc. They are also responsible for certification training, such a getting a forklift or other operators liscense, because they foot the insurance bill if the employee hurts themselves.  Starting salary is about $15 an hour, and they develop a pool of employees that they can call on a day or two notice if one of their other employees bails or needs bail.
These job agencies only get paid when their employees get paid, so they make it a point to keep employees working or getting decent help for you.  Their goal is to find a good long term employee that can stay with your operation, because then they get long term income.  
  
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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2019, 08:04:33 PM »
I will look into that. I have no issue with starting pay of $15 if a guy is willing to learn. 
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