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Board and Batten siding
« on: December 11, 2019, 07:21:37 PM »
We were talking about planing siding on another thread last night. This is off topic to that thread but I was over there today and got a couple of pics of how we did it.

We sawed these boards on the way to getting the timbers for the barn. They were stickered in a breezy (but dusty!) haybarn for almost 2 years while we did other things. Late summer we took them out and planed the boards flat and made the battens out of boards that were either narrow or had a defect that precluded using them for a wide board. With the barn being too tall to run the siding unbroken up the gable we picked a breakline, ran a horizontal beveled strip over the lower boards, set the upper boards out by the thickness of the lowers and went again. Not strictly necessary but I lined up the battens with the ones below, we were doing random widths. In a year or two it should grey with the rest of the barn.




This is closer up. I think the batts were 3"x3/4", I routed a radius edge, doesn't take long and gives a more finished appearance. By planing the battens lay flatter and the cup has been removed from the boards. We screwed the center area of the boards, no more than 5" apart and left a gap between boards. The battens are screwed to the girts through that gap, not through the boards. This is one way of doing it to let the boards move without trapping them by their wide edges and causing splitting. More pics of different ways of doing that would be good to see.





Here's a shot of that beveled strip at the bottom edge of siding, I usually use 15. It seals the bug and wind gap and is usually not too obvious.


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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 08:46:41 PM »
Nice job. Just a slight disagreement, putting on the battens the way you did is not just one way , it is the only way.

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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 08:51:50 PM »
Nice work!!! I can't remember which day did you say you would be over this way to work on my building?  :D
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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 10:19:07 PM »
 :D Might be a bit, we passed grading today and started hauling lumber out to a jobsite. We'll start framing tomorrow whenever it gets warm enough for old farts. When I got home a scholarship letter was in the email, looks like me and the other Don are gonna be going to truck driving school in Jan-Feb at the local community college. Our toys and loads keep getting bigger. Riding in a warm truck that time of year has its appeal too :).

@moodnacreek it'll be awhile before we get to siding the next one but I think I might try the way a couple of the other guys have posted about. Fasten one edge of the board and let the far edge float, then cap over the joint with the batten screwed through the gap. Then the only fasteners showing are in the battens and the board is still free to move.
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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 07:51:20 AM »
Don P., do you mean hiding the fastener under the batten? I always thought of that but I like 2" battens and doing that would require 3"+. Also consider not putting a [screw] in the middle of the board, just 2 screws each 1" from edge. I really like your starter along the bottom, that's the way I have seen real carpenters do it and I copied them 30 years ago when I did house. There are so many variations of b and b siding but it's the battens that many do wrong. At one time so did I.

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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 08:28:38 AM »
Nice looking job. I did the same thing but not nearly as good a job as you. And all my lumber was rough. Oh well its a barn. Anyway I notice you have a sliding door. I have the same . Wondering how thick of a ledger board you have on there where the track attaches. I had to shim mine because the door keeps hitting the battens. I should have bevelled the edges of the battens like you did. Might of alleviated this. Do you have the same problem? 

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 06:26:15 PM »
Yup, I've torn battens off a barn with the door before. We set the track far enough out for the door to clear at the top and screwed a strip across the bottom thicker than the battens that the bottom of the door rides along to keep it kicked out. As long as the door stays flat it will clear. There's also the door guides that you might be able to mount to the wall or floor to hold the door clear of the wall.

 I bent a flashing that runs behind the siding above the ledger, goes out over it and then down with a hem and little kickout to hopefully drop most water clear of the ledger. You can also get fancy and make a little roof over the track and extend it down over the door top to block wind and water.
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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 06:57:30 PM »
Nice. I could quibble some with the details but that job will last a long time likely. In my 40 odd years as a carpenter/woodworker doing wood siding jobs gave me some of my best satisfaction,  it's a highly under rated material/ technique, strangely here in the most rural of areas few see it's merits. Go figure.

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2019, 10:35:04 AM »
That looks very nice. I'm just finishing up my first board and batten job on my new wood shop. I'm happy with it but it doesn't look as nice as yours. I left myself room for improvement. Putting board and batten on the house next year so I'll get my chance to improve.

I had seen pictures of the beveled strip you use on the bottom and did copy that. I couldn't remember the angle you used so I went with 25*. One thing I was unsure of was if the boards should be butted tight into the bevel or if there should be a little gap. A little gap would let in bugs and wind but I was afraid no gap would hold and wick moisture. In the end I left a little gap.

Another thing I wasn't sure about was if I should leave a gap between the boards or not. Since they were already air dried I wasn't worried about shrinkage so to get some extra coverage I left 3/4" gaps between the boards. Hope that doesn't come back to bite me.

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Re: Board and Batten siding
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2019, 01:20:32 PM »
I've gone round and round on whether to leave a gap, I don't but can see the reasoning. If any siding will be stained or painted I hit the end grain at the cutting bench, that is the worst place for wicking up moisture and starting to rot. At the flashing over the door ledger I did leave a ~1/4" gap. When I do siding over a roof, like on the back end of this barn I keep the siding up well off the roof, usually I lay a 2x down on the roof, side and then slip the 2x out.

The angle on the beveled board isn't important, just an angle to make it drain out.

On the barn we have varying gaps between boards, evening it out as much as possible, you can see by the time I got to the slider we were running out of wood.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2019, 11:40:52 PM »
Looks like Oak.  I know I've talked about this before, but I did white pine on my new shop.  I wasn't familiar with carpenter bees as we don't have them where I'm from further north.  The shop was attacked and bees bored 1/2 inch holes in various locations.  They bore up to 4ft long tunnels and lay an egg.  This summer a woodpecker tore apart one of the 7ft long window sills trying to get at the bee larvae.  The bees seem to readily bore into softwood like pine or poplar, but not hard woods.  In a year or two, I'm going to be removing all the Board and batten siding and replacing with hardi board.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2019, 08:46:24 AM »
I'll be doing white pine B&B on the charity house we're working on. It'll probably be painted which has worked for me in keeping the little devils out, or Sikkens, which is probably a tough enough film. We're beyond a shoestring, I've been curious if sho sugi ban would deter them.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2019, 04:02:51 PM »
I was always taught to nail the boards, screw the batten.  Was I taught wrong? Work looks great!
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2019, 04:44:37 PM »
Not at all. Screws weren't used at all until pretty recently. They have better withdrawal resistance and a nail, especially a smaller diameter one like a Maze splitless would let the siding move around more without splitting.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2019, 01:53:54 PM »
What about using 1" RC SYP CCA vs hemlock? That will also eliminate any carpenter bees from doing any damage.

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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2019, 07:26:30 PM »
That's what I thought when we built this house. I used CCA for the fascias, didn't slow them down. They don't ingest the wood so the poison doesn't get them, they are just burrowing nesting tunnels. If you're in carpenter bee country the best thing is to have something hard enough they can't bite into it, a hardwood or heavy film finish. I've got some Drione dust but to be honest I don't have the time to chase them around with that. They don't attack eastern hemlock nearly as bad as eastern white pine, we just don't have much hemlock left.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2019, 07:35:12 PM »
Are you sure it's CCA? Supposedly allegedly CCA can no longer be used for anything house, so nearly every lumber store carries ACQ or C-A (CBA) and not CCA. 

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2019, 08:12:06 PM »
Yes I'm positive it's CCA, the house predates the common availability of the others.
@alan gage, you were asking about the gap and I was thinking today about another variant of this style of siding, "board and board". Usually its 10" on the wall with 6" spacers between and 8" boards over those, lapping the 10's by 1" on each side so the look is 2 levels of 8". It could be done with other widths but that is the most common I've seen.
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2019, 08:00:53 AM »
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Think long and hard about the hardi plank
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2019, 12:35:29 PM »
Think long and hard about the hardi plank
 
I used HardiPlank on some horse shelters because the ranch owner wanted something that would stand up to water and splashed mud, over and over.  This was install on L shaped stick built walls erected on poured concrete stem walls.  I've used it on some small project and like the durability that I've seen so far.  For my cabin, I plan on using Hardi because my neighbors up there have been plagued with woodpeckers totally destroying siding as they build nest holes.  They are not looking for food, just building a shelter.  Short of making a metal cabin, I see Hardi as the only logical solution.

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