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Started by FTD, January 02, 2020, 09:18:02 AM

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Klicker

I would have the bucket on with a load of fire wood to put weight on the front it's amazing how fast one can flip a tractor over backwards don't ask how I know this
2006 LT 40 HD

bitternut

I have two of the snatch blocks from Labonville that are the same style pictured by JohnMc. I would not go in the woods without them. They are always hanging on my 450 Norse winch if needed and have always worked well. I watched the demonstration video on the winches use that Labonville has on their website. The video shows the snatch block used with the open pulley side facing up toward you when attaching the cable. That's the way I have always done it and have never had a problem with false releases. I figured that they built it and knew more about the way it should be used than I did. Here is a link to the video from Labonville's website.

Norse 450 3 Point Hitch - 40-90 HP

PoginyHill

Quote from: FTD on February 22, 2020, 10:00:04 AM


 

 



Got it home today.  Now I am searching for R1 or R4 takeoffs.  Hopefully, R1.
Looks nice. I recently purchased a Wallenstein. Love it. But I had several instances of logs hitting the side of the winch, bending the hooks I keep the chains on. So I added two plates to protect the area and it has worked well so far.

 

 

 
Kubota M7060 & B2401, Metavic log trailer, Cat E70B, Cat D5C, 750 Grizzly ATV, Wallenstein FX110, 84" Landpride rotary hog, Classic Edge 750, Stihl 170, 261, 462

thecfarm

Boxes to keep the chains in too!! A good job. I see the stuff hanging too.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

wisconsitom

Hey all, who's better at dredging up old threads than I 🤔, so here goes;  Looking at winch for the tractor I have, nothing more, nothing less.  Tractor is 25 hp hydrostatic.  Don't have manual here at home so not sure what hp is seen at pto.

I don't want to oversize this.  Something that is properly matched to my modest machine.  Any thoughts on models to look at?  And on that, do you think it more important to try to find "the best" unit or does it matter more finding what your local guy can carry?  Not in a hurry and could go used.  Thnx
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47sawdust

Farmi 290 or the current model #. Great trouble free winch, sized for your tractor.
Mick
1997 WM Lt30 1999 WM twin blade edger Kubota L3750 Tajfun winchGood Health Work is my hobby.

wisconsitom

Thanks 47.  Would I be ill-advised to go up one size and get the lower pulley?
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47sawdust

My brother used his Farmi 290 on a Kubota L2250 about the same hp as yours.He used it for 30 years w/o a problem.
I have a Krpan winch with upper and lower pulleys.I don't think I've used the lower more than 3 times.
Mick
1997 WM Lt30 1999 WM twin blade edger Kubota L3750 Tajfun winchGood Health Work is my hobby.

wisconsitom

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John Mc

Quote from: wisconsitom on February 01, 2022, 04:37:08 PM
Thanks 47.  Would I be ill-advised to go up one size and get the lower pulley?
Would need to know more about your tractor than just the HP to answer this properly. It's really more about the weight and frame size than it is about HP. (The winch manufacturers use HP as a convenient proxy for the size of the tractor).
What is the make and model?
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Hilltop366

Bobcat says 22.2 pto horsepower and around 2600 pounds or 4000 pounds with loader.

John Mc

Quote from: wisconsitom on February 01, 2022, 05:16:53 PM
Bobcat ct 2025 hst.
Quote from: Hilltop366 on February 01, 2022, 05:45:36 PM
Bobcat says 22.2 pto horsepower and around 2600 pounds or 4000 pounds with loader.

Unless TractorData.com is way off, the loader should weigh just over 900#, so 3500# total unless he also has filled tires or something.


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Hilltop366

Got the info from the bobcat website but looking again I see it is showing the loader lift capacity not weight, good catch.

wisconsitom

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thecfarm

I myself like a Norse, just because of the higher pulley, boxes for the chains and the pivot butt plate, that can be locked in place too.



  

Try doing that with a butt plate with any other brand. ;)
But saying that, Norse may not make one smaller enough for your tractor. Like I say, If I am worried about dealer support, maybe I bought the wrong one. 
I all ready posted about how long I had mine and have not needed any parts for it. And it got used hard for about 3 years.
But no matter what kind you buy, make up some short chains for it. I bought 8 foot chains and cut them in half. I use the short chains now more than the long ones. When I bought nine it came with 6 eight foot chains!! Won't be twitching out too many logs needing an 8 foot chain. 
I run 6 slides on my winch, sometimes all 6 are used, sometimes, only one. They are there if needed, not in the way, if not used.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

Hilltop366

Also the spec was for a manual trans not HST.

Either way I figure the right size winch is going to be the smallest one offered by most brands if they offer one small enough.

A top pulley is a must for me, my winch (Norse 390) did not have one and I did not like it but was able to add one, makes for a lot less hangups on roots, rocks and stumps but you have to be mindful of the height you are pulling from and the extra leverage that is applied to the rear of the tractor. 

wisconsitom

Thanks gents.  I like-for my application-keeping unit small, not only to not mismatch tractor, but also to not get too heavy, and as such, the smallest is probably right for me.

Maybe when I'm 90 and the thinning is hot and heavy, I'll have a bigger tractor and winch🤓.  Working on finding something in area to look at.  My Bobcat guy is going to look too, for what that's worth.
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stavebuyer

Uniforest 35M would fit your machine. I have the 45M and am well satisfied.

g_man

I have a Farmi JL290 on my 30 hp L3010. Set up with loader, loaded rear tires w/chains, and winch it weighs about 5000 lbs. It is plenty of winch. I would not put a bigger one on this tractor. There is nothing to gain by doing that. I've had it for 20 years. They keep their valve very well.



 



 


Here is a short video of it working

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wisconsitom

Heh Stave, just got done looking at that one.  Yes, def looks right.  
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wisconsitom

Missed your post, g_man.  You're moving a nice stick in that video!

I guess it's just down to what I can find.  All these makes look like they'd work for me.
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Woodfarmer

 
Farmi 501 behind a 90hp Case, but you get the idea.  I watched a video we're a guy was going on about using the lower pulley every hitch as the only way to do it.  I've run this since 2000 use the top pulley 95% of the time until I'm hooking up a tree just to the hook, then I draw it in with the lower pulley. Or if I have to give a tree a pull I go through the lower pulley and lock it.

wisconsitom

Your setup looks plenty robust Wood farmer.  Thanks.
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John Mc

Quote from: wisconsitom on February 01, 2022, 04:37:08 PM
Thanks 47.  Would I be ill-advised to go up one size and get the lower pulley?

My tractor specs (NH TC33D) are similar to yours: I have a few more HP (33 engine, 27 PTO). I'm about 150# lighter for the bare tractor, but have filled rear tires, and the added weight of a 1/2" thick belly ban and FOPS with limb risers. I have similar lift capacity on 3 Pt hitch and FEL (I had a Woods 1012 loader, rather than the NH 730)

I have a Uniforest 35E, rated at 7700# pull. Overall, the specs are almost identical Farmi 351. Lack of HP has never been a concern for winch operations for me. Going the next size bigger would be too much winch for my tractor, but this size is a good match. However, I would not have been as happy with  smaller winch. The salesman at my tractor dealer also did a fair amount of logging with his 40 HP tractor (and had a son who was a professional logger and did lumberjack competitions). He suggested the Farmi 351 size for my tractor and steered me away from the Farmi 290 (they had both on their lot). I ended up going with another brand, but followed the size recommendation.

The Uniforest 35M is the successor to my 35E. The M had some design improvements which I think are worthwhile. It also gained about 110# in weight over the 35E - it's up to 540 lbs. I was going back and forth between the Uniforest 35 (less expensive, but distributor is a few hours drive from me) and the Farmi 351 (was available locally back when I was shopping, but that dealer has since dropped Farmi and switched to Fransgard).

I'm not pushing the Uniforest brand. Mine has worked out well for me. These things tend to be just about bomb-proof, but I would still consider going with what is supported by dealers in your area when shopping. I also don't want to push you to a larger size than you are comfortable with. Make the choice that you are comfortable with and that works for you.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   - Abraham Maslow

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