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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2020, 10:59:12 PM »
  The fungus that causes blue stain feeds on the sap in the sap wood as far as I know. Would it be possible to mix up some kind of sugar water or other concoction similar to the sap that the blue stain fungus prefers, then spray it on the wood to increase/encourage the growth of the desired fungus? I assume someone with a scientific background in forestry/wood chemistry might be able to come up with a mix that would advantage the blue stain fungus over less desirable fungi and pests. Maybe advantaged enough to get the blue stain set in before the larger insects get to it. 
  It might also be possible to get some "active" fungus from sawdust of infected logs and "seed" it on to uninfected logs by mixing it with water and wiping it on. Could be worth a shot.

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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2020, 07:17:43 AM »



Table I built from blue stained pine I got from  @southside 
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2020, 07:31:00 AM »
  I don't saw an awful lot of pine and it has nearly all been white pine. Around here I can't imagine getting blue stained pine without a 3/8" diameter hole every few inches due to the borers.

    Does WP even blue stain or is that unique to yellow pine?
If it is in the true pine family it will stain unless it can be dried cool. The hard pines are worse and may mildew, turn black and grow white fuzz. They say it is the sugars that pine has.

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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2020, 07:59:18 AM »
I've actually had more luck blue staining white pine that SYP.  
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2020, 08:41:30 AM »

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Table I built from blue stained pine I got from  @southside
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2020, 05:11:03 PM »
Thanks Tule Peak your comments means a lot to me , the stuff you build is incredible .
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »
Gees - I thought he was talking about the sawyer side of things..... :D
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2020, 06:14:55 PM »
I am in south eastern NY in the Catskill mountains. If you leave the white pine logs in warm weather for a year or two most of it gets blue stain. I just cut some that was nice. I might have a picture. The pine borers are hit and miss. The old timers cut the pine in winter and milled it before it warmed up so it would be clear and without holes. 

Funny now folks like all the defects.

The white pine I cut at camp in the Adirondacks 200 miles north of here doesn't have blue stain that I have seen. The pine borers up there were so loud in the campfire wood pile you could hear them chewing away. 
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2020, 06:18:17 PM »
 

 

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2020, 10:57:27 PM »
You are right about the noise those pine bores make. I could even see the sawdust come out of the hole too. Kinda odd the way those critters know when you are cutting pine.
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2020, 02:34:34 AM »
Very inconsistent...hard for me to make money like that...I like them fresh felled.  Haven't had any problems selling non stained pine...plus blue stain = mold
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2020, 10:11:54 AM »
I rarely get to see fresh felled due to all the layers of bureaucracy here . I buy truck loads of logs that typically are sold as firewood - that is YEARS old and the bugs , blue stain, rot are well underway. Learning to make lemonade from lemons is the key......

 

 
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2020, 06:32:43 AM »
This 36" (butt end) eastern pine landed in my yard May 2018, snow white. 



 

In July 2019 I split it in half. You can see where the sap wood is blue. The beetle larvae were peppered throughout the sap wood.



 
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2020, 08:25:54 AM »
 

 
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2020, 08:35:08 AM »
I rarely get to see fresh felled due to all the layers of bureaucracy here . I buy truck loads of logs that typically are sold as firewood - that is YEARS old and the bugs , blue stain, rot are well underway. Learning to make lemonade from lemons is the key......


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Thanks, and I'll point out that every single piece was run through one of your kilns ! So thank you......... :)
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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2020, 07:07:12 PM »
I put the wp log back in the yard. I'll let it sit for another year and try again. I've had it of at least 2 years so I'm surprised it didn't blue any more than it did. It was laying in a field of tall grass so I'd think it would have plenty of moisture.

Loved those pictures of paneling and tables made of blue stained pine. Looks great.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2020, 08:55:11 PM »
I sawed these today.  Came from a churchyard across the road from my driveway.  Shortleaf yellow pine.  Died earlier this year.  It was right next to the main powerline, and the Electric Coop had a tree service take it down.  I saw them felling it, and offered to take the logs off their hands so that they did not have to chip them.  They were more than amenable. I just knew that it would be nicely blued.  It sure was ;D



 

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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2020, 01:13:47 AM »
Hi Folks,

After Several months of cutting Ponderosa Pine in California my observations are that to introduce blue stain you should cover the boards with  sawdust from a blue stained log.  The sawdust is wet and sandwiched between the boards rapidly allows the fungus to grow and colonize the boards.
Discovered this when I didn't remove the sawdust from all the boards.

Stickered boards without sawdust did not develop blue stain.

Boards not stickered and stacked close with sawdust had much more blue stain. 

This is not that different than growing shitake mushrooms on log stacks.

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Re: Anyone purposely blue stain pine logs?
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2020, 01:34:04 PM »
Attachment below is a 1929 scientific article on blue stain which was posted in an earlier thread on the subject.

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