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Help in identifying this tree
« on: January 30, 2020, 11:30:13 AM »
I have several of these on my fence line in Virginia and I知 not sure what they are. Any clue from the experts? Thanks!

 

 

  

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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2020, 11:58:50 AM »
It's am elm of one type or another, no doubt.  Off the bat, I'd say American elm.

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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2020, 01:07:59 PM »
I was guessing elm by the way it splits but wanted to be sure. Here it is cleaned a bit to reveal the grain.
 

  

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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2020, 02:51:13 PM »
I致e read that elm has a distinctive 僧anure soaked in urine smell when cutting, however this has no real odor, definitely not a terrible smell.

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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2020, 03:42:54 PM »
I can't see any wavy lines in the end grain, which is a dead give away for Elm, my vote is Sweet Gum
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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2020, 05:58:08 PM »
I might have prematurely ruled out sweet gum...I have a lot of them nearby, but they have the gum balls still hanging on the tree.  This one had none, and it was probably 20 inches at chest height.  I will compare the bark and twigs tomorrow and see if I can definitively rule it out.


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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2020, 06:44:10 PM »
Looks like elm to me.
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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2020, 07:55:52 PM »
It is ring porous.  Elm is ring porous.  Sweetgum is diffuse porous. 
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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
Ok. Are the worms not always there? 
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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2020, 08:00:12 AM »
Look at the buds.  Elm.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2020, 08:01:30 AM »
Does this not so great closeup pic of the end grain help anything?





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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2020, 08:29:08 AM »
The worms came back!  :D
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Re: Help in identifying this tree
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2020, 08:32:51 AM »
Yes, confirms elm. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2020, 09:09:32 AM »
Thanks. So the 層orms are the wavy lines in the closeup? Are we still thinking American Elm or is there a way to tell which elm it could be? Thanks so much!

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2020, 09:20:48 AM »
The species most likely to be confused with American elm is the red, or "slippery" elm.  Both are native trees that can inhabit roughly the same forest types, both have dark reddish-brown rounded buds, but on the slippery, there will be tiny hairs covering most of the bud surface, whereas on American elm, hairs will only be seen at ends of bud scales.

But I don't really use these features to id this tree. The bark, wood, and yes, buds, all say elm, and I think it most likely an American elm.

Used to line streets all over northern half of North America.  Non-fussy tree, able to easily grow through a crack in a sidewalk somewhere, these elms formed canopies over American streets that are all but gone now.  People who never saw this cannot possibly understand how American cities used to look when the elms were still alive.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2020, 10:32:24 AM »
Leaves of american elm are smooth.  Leaves of slippery elm are scabrous (like rubbing sandpaper on your cheek).  Bark is a bit different to, at least down here.  Slippery elm is more scaly.
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