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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2020, 12:25:53 PM »
I am late to the discussion.

get the Wallenstein 3 point skidder winch
it comes with a trailer hitch.
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tow the trailer to the site, winch the logs out, cut to length, load it, then tow it back

I have the Farmi, wish it had the trailer hitch.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2020, 12:55:55 PM »
Jeep, Get the norse winch. I have a 350 Norse which has the flip up blade. I also have a farm wagon that I made a set of bunks out of 4x4 treated stock that fits on the wagon. With this I can take my tractor and wagon, go into the woods and harvest some logs and load them on the wagon and come out of the woods very easy and not tear up my trails.  Now I do have a front end loader for my tractor that has good capacity (35 HP Branson) even with super large logs I can mange to pick up at least one end of the log and maneuver it to the wagon. You did not mention if you have a front loader.

Some folks on here who do not have a loader have developed parbuckling rigs for their trailers which can help with loading.  W Jones







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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2020, 08:32:46 PM »
  I do have a FEL on a 46 hp LS. I was looking at the Norse 450 and Uniforest 45M. I like the flip-up blade design, but I'm not sure that I like holding and towing the logs with the winch instead of hooking the choker chains in the slots. I noticed most of the winches pull the logs to the winch and then hook them in the slots provided, but in the Norse winch video on Labonville's website, the guy has the logs hanging on the winch cable. Does this cause more wear and tear on the winch, or does it make no difference?
  I have been looking for a farm wagon on CL, but have not seen one yet in my area. If I can find one, I'll try to do the same thing you do. I can lift 2500 lbs with the FEL, and if I need to load something bigger than that, I can parbuckle on to the trailer using the skidding winch.

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2020, 08:46:18 PM »
I just use the lock on the winch and keep the logs on the cable. I have not used the slots very much. I have not seen any noticeable wear from that on my cable and I have logged many thousands of Bd Ft of pine with my winch. I like the flip up blade, but other winches that have a hitch built in also work well. When you get your winch, be sure you get a self releasing snatch block also.  It improves the safety and ease of winching from challenging areas.  W Jones.

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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2020, 09:09:27 PM »
I hardly ever use the slots. At one time I was using my winch to haul out white pine an easy 3 feet across, had many 4 feet across. Would be impossible to use the slots with that size logs. But now I haul out a lot of small stuff,6 inches across, I still leave it on the cable. I find out it's easier and it gets the front of the logs off the ground. Even if I knew it does wear out the cable, I would still leave it on the cable. I have tried the slots a few times, but just seem a bother to me. I like to put pieces of wood under my logs when I am doing firewood. On the cable, the logs are up in the air and I can put some wood under the twitch easier to keep the logs off the ground.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2020, 05:16:32 AM »
DDW_OR, I did look at the Wallenstein, but they cost a lot more than the others for not much in the way of additional capability, other than they have a 2" hitch mount

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2020, 08:42:23 AM »
 I use the Tajfun winch it came with a bolt on hitch but I didn't like putting it on to use a wagon then take it off to skid logs (if it's left on it'll get all bent up). So I welded a receiver hitch into it just above where the blade angle is. First time you hook a hitch into them slots and you go over a rise and the log goes completely off the ground an either stretch's the chocker out or pulls out of the slot an bends it up you'll quit using them. Chains won't fit in mine lol.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2020, 02:52:01 PM »
the 2" hitch mount can be retrofitted to one of the others
will be doing this to the Farmi Winch

here i used a choker chain to tow the ATV
the ATV is for quick trips back to the house
FYI 160+ acres


 

the winch is a GREAT counterbalance
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2020, 09:04:53 AM »
I picked up a used Norse winch locally a couple months back and have pulled out lots of firewood so far.  I could not imagine doing firewood or any tree work without it.  I highly recommend a winch you will be grinning from ear to ear once you see what they can do.   As for tearing up your road... that is unavoidable... luckily you have a tractor to fix it up ;D...I have been lucky all winter with frozen ground and lots of snow to skid on, this past week things started to melt and i notice some damage it should smooth out nicely once things dry up a bit.

As for hauling out a twitch on the cable it is no factor, the drum lock is a big piece of steel that engages into heavy slots on the cable drum and is built rugged.   Although using the slots allows you to haul out significantly more wood than just with the cable (depending on how many sliders are on the cable).  If I am cutting in an area and have several trees felled I will haul in 2 or 3 at a time hook them to the slots until they are full, then fill up the cable, lock the cable drum and drive away.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2020, 09:57:16 AM »
As for hauling out a twitch on the cable it is no factor, the drum lock is a big piece of steel that engages into heavy slots on the cable drum and is built rugged.   Although using the slots allows you to haul out significantly more wood than just with the cable (depending on how many sliders are on the cable).  If I am cutting in an area and have several trees felled I will haul in 2 or 3 at a time hook them to the slots until they are full, then fill up the cable, lock the cable drum and drive away.
There is one caveat to hauling out on the cable: IF your cable is tightly wound on the drum, it should not be a problem. However, if you have managed to get some loose wraps in there, hauling on the cable can cause the cable to pull down into the lower wraps on the drum. Best case in this situation is that it just gets hung up a bit and you have to really yank on it (or attach to an anchor and drive off) to get it to unwind again. A moderately bad case just ends up putting a permanent "wave" or bend in the cable - not quite a kink, but enough so you notice it, and maybe occasionally cause a premature release if you are using a self-releasing snatch block (depending on the design of the block release: one of my blocks is much more tolerant of wavy cable than the other). The worst case is that you damage your cable and have to cut some off or replace it.
How do you get loose wraps if you are winching in a load? One circumstance is when using a self releasing snatch block: there may be a period of no tension on the cable right after it release, until it has taken up the slack, Another is if you use your winch to "persuade" a hung up tree to come down: you can end up with a lot of slack once the tree finally falls. I'll often step on the cable as I winch in slack to keep a bit of tension (then of course back off and get out of the way before it gets fully tight again). If I'm working with someone, often they'll put some back pull on the cable while taking up slack to help it wind tightly. Another cause is not having the drag set properly for unspooling, so the drum freewheels for a bit after someone was pulling out cable (especially of they were moving quickly).
I've had to replace a 230' cable when it got badly kinked right in the middle. I was freeing up a hung tree for a friend. Apparently, they didn't think my warning about keeping tension when winding in slack was serious. I did not realize the rat's nest they had created until I went to unwind things later.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2020, 12:44:57 PM »
I prefer to haul load using only the main cable. I generally haul 4-6 tree-length spruce/fir of moderate to small diameter (typically 40ft long or so). My winch is a Wallenstein 110. I have had several instances of a loose wind cause problems unwinding by hand, but no show stoppers. I do have a question I've been pondering: How does synthetic cable compare to wire rope? Obviously it's lighter, but is it less subject to getting caught in the spool due to a loose wind? Or worse than wire rope?
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2020, 04:24:10 PM »
I prefer to haul load using only the main cable. I generally haul 4-6 tree-length spruce/fir of moderate to small diameter (typically 40ft long or so). My winch is a Wallenstein 110. I have had several instances of a loose wind cause problems unwinding by hand, but no show stoppers. I do have a question I've been pondering: How does synthetic cable compare to wire rope? Obviously it's lighter, but is it less subject to getting caught in the spool due to a loose wind? Or worse than wire rope?
I have not used synthetic line on my logging winch, but have used one a bit on a 5000# electric winch. It seemed much less prone to having problems from a loose wind.
However, when I posed a question on here some time ago asking if anyone had experience with synthetic rope on a logging winch, the consensus seemed to be that the they just couldn't stand up to the abrasion inherent in most logging aplications. You might get away with it if you are just winching through nice loamy soils, but not in the rocky areas we have in my neck of the woods. I dropped the idea, but your mileage may vary.
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Re: Log Arch or Skidding Winch
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2020, 01:46:03 AM »
Anyone know when Labonville will be getting in some new Norse winches? Website says they are unavailable until back in stock. I tried calling a couple times but no answer.


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