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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #720 on: September 01, 2020, 09:51:43 PM »
I read that the Tour de Franceís problem with regard to Covid is not with the many stages in the outlying areas, itís how they are going to deal with the crowds when the final stages are run in Paris.  So it still remains to be seen.....
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« Reply #721 on: September 02, 2020, 11:24:05 AM »
I gave blood a week or so ago.  I got an A+  :)  and am negative for covid 19 antibodies.   8)
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« Reply #722 on: September 02, 2020, 11:43:45 AM »
Figures, I always get an A-... :D

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« Reply #723 on: September 02, 2020, 06:28:59 PM »
I want to be very careful regarding how I word this post.  I am NOT seeking medical advice (well sort of). 

Quick background.  Our son (40) and his family live in Des Moines - about 180 miles from our home.  He is a construction engineer and is working on multiple jobs.  The rest of the family has been home for 6 months.  They have two children - 4 1/2 and 1.  After much consideration we decided to make the trip last Saturday and see the grandsons.  Ground rules - if anyone in the home felt ill before we left, the trip would be cancelled.  We made the 3 hour trip non-stop and had a great day with them.  Wonderful weather and we were outside much of the 8 hours we shared with them.  We returned home Saturday night with no problems.  Glad I have a truck with a 33 gallon tank.

On Sunday afternoon our son texted, saying he had a sore throat and slight fever.  He was tested Monday and the test results came back today - he is positive for Covid.  So far it looks like a mild case.  We have decided on a very strict quarantine for us for the next 14 days or until we get it and are over it. 

I called our doctor today and asked if there was anything we could do prior to exhibiting symptoms.  I was only able to speak with the receptionist and she said they were doing nothing.  I questioned if hydroxichloroquine was in order and she said they did not support that treatment. 

So my question is this:
a)  How do I get beyond the "gate keeper" receptionist to get better answers?
b)  Is there a course of action we should be taking at this time to get better answers?

We have one friend whose family has recovered from Covid (two of them 70 and a 94 year old mother).  Talked with her today and she advised getting Protein Shakes and Gatorade.  Advised that we can beat this if we are careful.  Also emphasized that we needed to get to a hospital if we encountered any congestion of the lungs. 

We remain positive and plan to beat this if we contract it.  And also are facing the reality that 8 hours with a contagious person is likely that we will get it.

NOTE:  I believe no Covid Virus can be spread through this post.  (smile).

Thoughts on how we should proceed would be appreciated.

 

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« Reply #724 on: September 02, 2020, 06:44:50 PM »
@wesdor Im no doc but based on what I read...
sounds like your son had symptoms 8 days after your visit.  so you are already 11 days into incubation out of 14.  Hopefully (and likely) your son was infected after you visited.

Keep positive but safe..  I hope your son recovers quickly and his family is safe as well.

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« Reply #725 on: September 02, 2020, 06:52:35 PM »
Sorry, I must not have been clear. We drove out Saturday of this past weekend. He developed symptoms the next day. 
We will remain positive- no other way in my estimation. 

Thanks for the thoughts. 

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« Reply #726 on: September 02, 2020, 07:08:44 PM »
Relax.  Most treatment is restricted (due to low amounts/availability) and will only be given if you are sick.  I agree that he may not have even been contagious when you were there.  you are older (older than me, definition of old)  so if you get it, there is increased risk.  the unknown is hard.  i had not felt well for a few days and wondered since i work in health care.  my antibody test just came back negative.  the things that work are the antiviral medication, antibodies from plasma of people who have had it, and steroids, and poss having had an immunization soon when that is available.  The real treatment if really sick is supportive.  there is a long incubation period before symptoms, but you are less contagious during that time.  cannot go back and change history.  Do not get to wrapped up in the pro health pro-biotic stuff.   the other supplement stuff is ok if you are malnourished, but is other wise just good for business for someone else.  I believe and hope you and your wife will be fine!
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« Reply #727 on: September 02, 2020, 07:14:41 PM »
some clinics have developed respiratory clinics for people with symptoms and or exposure.  you could call back and ask to talk with your doc, or see if they have a protocol for your situation.  If you go in too soon, your will test negative even if exposed and will eventually get it.  there is no treatment shown to be prophylactic or reduce symptoms if taken early.  if you get a cough and fever, what ever, you can be tested.  still a good chance it will be negative and something else.  get you r flu shot when it is time and enjoy the time that you got to spend with your family.  wait and see.
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« Reply #728 on: September 02, 2020, 09:41:14 PM »
Thanks Doc,
Very comforting and guiding words.  The numbers of my age are not in my favor - in fact I had a virtual yearly exam just last Friday and my doctor said chances of dying from Covid at my age were 15%.  His point was to be careful.  However, I am in very good health - in fact, took out an insurance policy 2 years ago and received a preferred rate.  My 96 year old mother still lives at home and is in great health.  I have many of her genes.   I am by nature a very positive person and think that also helps. 

We are just trying to cover all our bases during this time of waiting. 
Agree, we aren't getting excited about pro-biotic stuff.  We eat a balanced diet and live a healthy lifestyle.  If we develop it, we will not hesitate to get to a hospital and cases are low enough in our area that we should receive good care.  We have been with our current family physician for more than 14 years and he is a superb doctor.  We are happy to have him, but also don't wish to expose him.  He agrees and has moved to virtual visits for all possible situations.  Yes, we get a flu shot every year, although we don't plan to go anywhere until our 14 day quarantine is up or we develop Covid and eventually test free.

The other reality is that I have lived a fantastic life.  None of us will get out of this life alive and even though I have hopes of living into my 90s, if this is the time, then I can only be thankful for the great years given to me.  My wife and I have a deep faith and know that everything will be fine.

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« Reply #729 on: September 02, 2020, 11:35:02 PM »
One of my friends just called me this morning and told me his wife got really sick, couldn't keep anything down. Not even water, so she ended up having to go to the ER where they gave her a couple of IV's of fluids for dehydration. She was tested and ended up positive for Covid. He's sure he had it as well, he said he lost his sense of taste and smell but otherwise feels fine. They have a group home for developmentally disabled adults, this has complicated things for them immensely as the whole house has had to go into quarantine. They had just returned from a trip out west, stayed with family in Rapid City, SD who have also contracted Covid. They haven't figured out who gave it to who. 
Too many irons in the fire

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« Reply #730 on: September 07, 2020, 11:03:02 AM »
I visited my Daughter and my Grandson, 2 weeks ago, I came down with a cold. I wore my mask and faceshield out of respect. I recorded a low grade fever of 99.5 for 2 days, thursday, friday and saturday morning. I went and tested on Saturday and am waiting for my results. The fever went away saturday evening and I woke up feeling normal sunday morning. 
We will see. In the past there was no worry, I had a cold, carry on. 
Now we have the fear drilled into us and so we worry. I felt it was a cold, but I thought I would test and then I could sleep at night if it is a negative test. 
I wanted to put my hand on the back of head to feel if the swab was poking out! Only hurt for a few seconds.
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« Reply #731 on: September 07, 2020, 12:27:00 PM »
nice job.  yes it is prob. a cold, but good to know.  even if covid, if you are healthy, you should be ok.  the key is not to give it to another 10 people.  I gave blood and have no antibodies.  good to know my precautions have kept me away from the virus despite my increased exposure.  part of me would like to think I was immune!   :)
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #732 on: September 08, 2020, 07:53:27 AM »
I visited my Daughter and my Grandson, 2 weeks ago, I came down with a cold. I wore my mask and faceshield out of respect. I recorded a low grade fever of 99.5 for 2 days, thursday, friday and saturday morning. I went and tested on Saturday and am waiting for my results. The fever went away saturday evening and I woke up feeling normal sunday morning.
We will see. In the past there was no worry, I had a cold, carry on.
Now we have the fear drilled into us and so we worry. I felt it was a cold, but I thought I would test and then I could sleep at night if it is a negative test.
I wanted to put my hand on the back of head to feel if the swab was poking out! Only hurt for a few seconds.
Update.
I received a negative test result for Covid19
Amazing what goes through your mind while waiting for the results, especially at 3 am trying to go back to sleep. Slept like a baby last night.
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« Reply #733 on: September 16, 2020, 02:16:31 PM »
The tin foil thread posted a video about some "facts" that I want to go directly to a reputable source for clarification.  @Ianab , what have you heard about door-to-door mandatory C19 testing that is going on in NZ?  And what about 7 and younger kids testing positive being taken away to a quarantine facility and given a vaccine without consent?  It was stated that they can do that in NZ because you don't have a bill of rights.  Sounds a little unbelievable to me.  I'm just looking for facts and not looking to visit the woodshed...
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« Reply #734 on: September 16, 2020, 03:42:28 PM »
You are right about the misinformation. There isn't a vaccine, so that part is 100% fake news. There is no intention to make any vaccine compulsory, so to me that makes the whole article suspect.  If you are a close contact with a confirmed case you are expected to get tested, and self isolate at home. 

With the latest outbreak positive tests have been isolated ( in a nice hotel). Several children have tested positive, but not removed from family, because they caught the virus From family, so it was a case of them joining the rest of their family at the hotel. Schools in Auckland had been temporarily closed at that point so the spread didn't continue through them.

Some of this may seem a bit draconian, but counting on people to " just do the right thing" hasn't worked. Latest outbreak has lasted longer than it should because a certain church group decided that having confirmed cases attend wasn't a good reason to isolate at home. So they held a funeral service at a private home, and one of the attendees was positive, and passed the virus on to others. Now they have 2 more funerals to not attend....

The virus hasn't been a political issue in NZ, so most people accept the measures to control it as things have been clearly and scientifically explained. The case numbers show the results. 2 cases yesterday (one a child of an existing case), and another traveller caught at the border quarantine. Day before there was zero new cases. The low number of cases now makes it possible to actually track where people have visited, and every case has been traced back to the patient zero. So people aren't rounded up at random and hauled off or anything. 

If you have been following my thread in Travel, you can see where we have been on the road for 2 weeks, even with the Level 2 restrictions. Auckland was under L3 and there were travel restrictions in and out of the area.

I do wonder the motives of people writing these articles..... But that's getting into the conspiracy theories that dont belong in this thread.
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« Reply #735 on: September 16, 2020, 03:51:05 PM »
Update on our exposure to Covid. 
We are now 18 days out and no symptoms. We chose to do a very strict quarantine - not going anywhere nor seeing anybody in person. Happy that we have FaceTime. 

Not sure how we  escaped after more than 10 hours of exposure but happy with how things have turned out so far. We still are very careful around people - social distance and wear a mask, but we did that before when out in general public. 

Thanks Doc for your wise words two weeks ago. 

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« Reply #736 on: September 16, 2020, 06:03:40 PM »
Thanks Doc,
  My 96 year old mother still lives at home and is in great health.  I have many of her genes.     

glad you are well, and please do not wear your mothers Jeans! :D :D :D
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« Reply #737 on: September 16, 2020, 06:40:50 PM »
We chose to do a very strict quarantine - not going anywhere nor seeing anybody in person. Happy that we have FaceTime.  Not sure how we  escaped after more than 10 hours of exposure but happy with how things have turned out so far


Good news. 

That's how to control the virus. You can't do much once you get it, except not pass it on. If you think you might have it, act as if you do, just in case. If everyone does that, the virus dies out. 

That's been shown in the latest NZ outbreak where folks that had been exposed ignored the instructions to self isolate,  and infected their friends before they knew they had it. 

The contact / infection thing seems to be a bit random, one person caught it after being on a bus after an infected person (no direct contact). Other people have caught it, and not passed it on to their immediate family, in spite of living in the same house for several days. Are some more likely to spread it? Or some people have a natural resistance?
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