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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #840 on: October 17, 2020, 09:20:29 AM »
each vaccine may have better or worse responses, depending on what antigens (parts that look like the virus) they use ect.  some may have side effects like Gillian Barret or transverse myelitis.  vaccines all have some potential harm, but is generally far outweighed by the benefits.  or we would not use it.  the rush on this is the concern, in the the roll out to the public may be where we uncover unforeseen complications.  many of the "complications"  sited by the anti-vaccine folks, occur at the same rate in vaccinated and non-vaccinated people.  so had we had a vaccine, and it would have killed or damaged 200 people, it would be better to have saved 210,000 folks as an example.
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« Reply #841 on: October 17, 2020, 09:32:14 AM »
@customsawyer we think the antibodies are protective, since we can take plasma from a post infected person, and use it to treat a newly infected person.  no one knows how long it lasts.  and if you were just barely sick, and given the antibody treatment, your own body may not mount a good response and therefore not protect you in the future.  your body should continue to make the antibody if you had the disease, and hopefully from the "mock" disease produced by a vaccine.  antibodies given by someone elses plasma prob. only last for days.  A tetanus shot takes time to develop an immune response.  so the booster you get with a wound it for down the road.  if you had not been immunized for 10 years prior to an injury, you get the booster, but you also get a shot of pre made antibody.  we usually have memory cells that wait for the next time we see the disease.  some viruses mutate enough, that we start over each year.  Rabies is an example of a disease that we would not have the opportunity to get a second time.  anti-venom is another example of a medication to stop the effects of deadly snake venom.  most medications that the name ends in ab, is usually and antibody made or collected to combat a disease.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #842 on: October 17, 2020, 10:35:25 AM »
With all this recent talk of herd immunity and antibodies there is another type of immunity that is recently receiving attention and may explain why people have different immune responses to Covid-19. It's called T-cell immunity and there is growing evidence that some people may acquire some long lasting Covid-19 immunity from previous exposure to other coronavirus. (SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus that causes the Covid-19 infection)
Immune T Cells May Offer Lasting Protection Against COVID-19

SARS-CoV-2 belongs to a large family of coronaviruses, six of which were previously known to infect humans. Four of them are responsible for the common cold. The other two are more dangerous: SARS-CoV-1, the virus responsible for the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which ended in 2004; and MERS-CoV, the virus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), first identified in Saudi Arabia in 2012.
All six previously known coronaviruses spark production of both antibodies and memory T cells. In addition, studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-1 have shown that T cells stick around for many years longer than acquired antibodies. So, Bertolettis team set out to gain a better understanding of T cell immunity against the novel coronavirus.
Finally, Bertolettis team looked for such T cells in blood samples from 37 healthy individuals with no history of either COVID-19 or SARS. To their surprise, more than half had T cells that recognize one or more of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins under study here. Its still not clear if this acquired immunity stems from previous infection with coronaviruses that cause the common cold or perhaps from exposure to other as-yet unknown coronaviruses. 

Scientist have generally believed there was no cross immunity with virus  but that belief may be proved wrong. If you want to read more, there is the link and in the link I posted there is a link to the article that was posted in Nature magazine. 
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #843 on: October 17, 2020, 10:40:26 AM »
I was listening to a CBC radio science show this past Thursday about the use of chemical flame retardant that is/was used on fires and on products such as clothes and furniture and it's effect on the immune system.

Reachers found that there seemed to be a direct relation of the amount of these chemicals found in a persons blood and the level of immune response. They would give a person a vaccine and then test their blood for antibodies over a period of time, the normal response would be a graph line of a sharp increase of antibodies followed by gradual decline but as the amount of flame retardant in a persons blood increased the level of antibodies decreased resulting in a flatter graph showing a lower initial response and quicker decline.

This was also mentioned as another possible reason for strikingly different response to a corona19  infection from one seemingly healthy person to the next as well as different levels of immunity post infection.

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« Reply #844 on: October 17, 2020, 01:40:22 PM »
It may be why children, who get about 100 first time viral infection in the first 5 years of life, do better with this infection.  being in the same family, there will be like antigens as well as others that are differant.  all we care about is the immune system gets alerted and takes out the virus, and or infected cells.  people get colds later in life and boost the immunity they developed as children.  it is why many pediatricians feel they are super immune,  good looking, and smell nice!   :)
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #845 on: October 17, 2020, 06:37:53 PM »
Yaay, my clients tested negative. Masks off in the house, I can go downstairs and have dinner with my bride tonite.
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #846 on: October 19, 2020, 08:08:32 AM »
@Sedgehammer and @Raider Bill, A place to pump gas and go in and get coffee and munchies. Been calling them gas bars for 40 years in Canada. :D
Guess that's easier to say than convenience store. :D :D
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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #847 on: October 25, 2020, 08:48:22 PM »
My mom died Friday afternoon, not from covid. She was 80. Smoked a lot till about 8 years ago, Had a triple by-pass 7, never felt right afterwards. The funeral home is telling us the state (wi) is telling them that they can't have a funeral, as there's a local outbreak, but of course when pressed on numbers, they won't say.

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« Reply #848 on: October 25, 2020, 08:49:45 PM »
Very sorry to hear that Sedge.
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« Reply #849 on: October 25, 2020, 09:12:26 PM »
Thanks Doc. We knew it was coming, but at least we don't think she suffered. My brother in law came home from work and he found her slumped over in her chair. Tried CPR and called 911, but she had gone already. 

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Re: Just the Facts, the Crown virus.
« Reply #850 on: October 25, 2020, 09:53:59 PM »
I have a United Health Care Medicare advantage plan paid for by my past employer.  They came up with something new called WellAtHome.  I signed up for it.  They send out a Covid-19 test kit, thermometer, and a dose of Tamiflu.  According to the instructions if I feel sick I'm supposed to call in and a Doctor will tell me if I need to take the Tamiflu or do the Covid test.  I haven't got the kit yet.

It sounds good to me.  If I get the flu I don't have to make a Doctor appointment, sit in a waiting room, or get in line at the pharmacy.  Plus it saves a couple of days time which they say really helps with Tamiflu.

So to my Doctor friends is this a valid program?  Anything that I need to be aware of?
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« Reply #851 on: October 25, 2020, 10:44:55 PM »
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It sounds good to me.  If I get the flu I don't have to make a Doctor appointment, sit in a waiting room, or get in line at the pharmacy.  Plus it saves a couple of days time which they say really helps with Tamiflu.
Sounds sensible, even if the primary aim is to keep your virus ridden body out of the Dr's office.  ;)
If you roll up to the medical centre with "flu symptoms" everyone else there is at risk of catching whatever you have. And all they can really do is ask your symptoms,  take your temp, order a Covid test, and maybe give you a script for Tamiflu and paracetamol. All that can be covered with a phone call and the kit you have been sent. Unless you get so sick you need hospital level care, there isn't anything more they can do. ~90% of Covid patients seem to recover at home OK.   I assume they would also have a nurse do welfare calls each day, in case you do need more serious care. 
Instructions here in NZ if you had "flu" symptoms was to call your Dr, or the National 24 hour Health-Line for advice. They could then direct you to a drive up Covid test site if necessary, and tell you to stay isolated until the test came back. Again they didn't want you coughing in the Drs waiting room, and there wasn't much the Doc could do for you at that point anyway.  
So we had (and still have) frequent Govt ads on TV / Radio / Internet with  "What  to do if you think you have Covid or flu symptoms"   Don't go to your Dr, call them or the Health-line toll free number for advice. Although the virus is under control here at the moment, and we don't have any restrictions locally, the border quarantine hasn't been perfect and a handful of cases have sneaked in. So we keep getting reminded that the pandemic isn't actually over yet, so don't relax completely. 
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« Reply #852 on: October 26, 2020, 11:00:43 AM »
My mom died Friday afternoon, not from covid. She was 80. Smoked a lot till about 8 years ago, Had a triple by-pass 7, never felt right afterwards. The funeral home is telling us the state (wi) is telling them that they can't have a funeral, as there's a local outbreak, but of course when pressed on numbers, they won't say.
Sorry to hear of your loss.  It is difficult I imagine to not be able to gather with family and grieve and comfort one another.

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« Reply #853 on: October 26, 2020, 11:11:41 AM »
most viruses need a mucus membrane like inside your mouth or nose, or an eyeball.  Most can live  awhile on a surface.  most would be made inactive by heat or solvents like alcohol that destroy the finer structures of proteins.  so if you touch a surface, you prob. need to rub you eye, or poss. use you hands to put something in your mouth. if you swallowed all the virus it would be killed in your stomach by acid.  but if they stay on your cheek, they can be incorporated into cells and start replicating. 
So if I go to a restaurant, eat outside, wear a mask (except when taking a bite), wear gloves and safety glasses.   OH and most importantly take several shots of my favorite alcoholic beverage after dinner to cleans the palate so to speak!

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« Reply #854 on: October 26, 2020, 11:44:38 AM »
My mom died Friday afternoon, not from covid. She was 80. Smoked a lot till about 8 years ago, Had a triple by-pass 7, never felt right afterwards. The funeral home is telling us the state (wi) is telling them that they can't have a funeral, as there's a local outbreak, but of course when pressed on numbers, they won't say.
Sorry to hear of your loss.  It is difficult I imagine to not be able to gather with family and grieve and comfort one another.
Thanks, appreciate that. I'll move this to the general, don't want to derail this thread. I meant to just post about what covid was doing to families or the state i mean, but I digress. 

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« Reply #855 on: October 26, 2020, 12:41:51 PM »
Just checked our states stats.

924 currently hospitalized

.6% DOD

One can reasonably slow it down. One cannot reasonably stop it. 

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« Reply #856 on: October 26, 2020, 01:01:00 PM »
I think common sense rules the day.  We expect everyone to get it, but it may take several years.  hopefully not rapidly changing/mutating (needs a new vaccine each year if so).  The goal is to protect the vulnerable.  the rest of us are almost sure to get it or a vaccine.  the goal is to not have military reservist with guns at the front of every hospital to control riots if too many people get it at once.  we are full, relative to available nursing staff ect.  some quitting or getting sick and quarantining.
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« Reply #857 on: October 26, 2020, 02:19:28 PM »
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So if I go to a restaurant, eat outside, wear a mask (except when taking a bite), wear gloves and safety glasses.  
Yes, but if you dont go to the restaurant at all, and eat at home, there is even less risk. Experience here has shown that supermarkets can operate safely with precautions. Restaurants with closer extended contacts and eating is always going to be higher risk. Dining in was allowed as restrictions eased, but numbers were limited, tables spaced out more, and you had waiting staff dedicated to only a couple of tables each, just to cut down that number of contacts.
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« Reply #858 on: October 26, 2020, 02:25:04 PM »
I agree, and to illustrate that point, half of our cases reside in a nursing home, prison, or tech. group home.  
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« Reply #859 on: October 26, 2020, 03:53:45 PM »
Thanks, appreciate that. I'll move this to the general, don't want to derail this thread. I meant to just post about what covid was doing to families or the state i mean, but I digress. 


Sorry to hear about your Mother as well. 

Kinda relates to the other thread "Hidden Pandemic", about the mental toll the pandemic is having on folks. Things that we take for granted like weddings or funerals suddenly become hazardous to everyone's health.  Look after yourself and your close family.
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